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All Forums > Star Crossed > Star Crossed Forum Page 263 > Jessi Summers Trashes the Porn Industry > Jessi Summers Trashes the Porn Industry (page 2)

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jrv Senior Member 1266 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 18 2012 : 4:23PM CummingLinguist wrote: For those who don't know, Adrienne Rich is a lesbian (2nd wave) feminist poet, so the power she alludes to isn't just personal power, but patriarchy. Click to expand I'm always a little suspicious on any philosophy that starts with the predicate assumption "It's someone else's fault; nothing I could have done would have helped." I wonder what Madam Curie or Rosalind Franklin would have thought of Adrienne Rich. realtip wrote: I'm just wondering how this girl's story is any different from 99% of the other girls who get into porn. Her experience seems pretty common for girls doing porn. It's just that most don't come out and openly admit it because they're afraid of the consequences if they say anything negative about the industry, such as not getting work, people ridiculing them, etc. Click to expand Jessi was on hard drugs (not just pot) for many years before starting porn. That's unusual since most such girls have lost their looks by the time they get to porn. Jessi had had sexual abuse from more than one adult (and one gender). Losing virginity to an older boyfriend perhaps isn't unusual but abuse by adults seems to be. About the only common theme I see is bad parenting leading to a poor choice of friends & worse boyfriends. From there on the girls seem able to find fairly unique paths to where they wind up. [Link]
Paralyzer Member 23 Posts 2/12	Posted - Feb 19 2012 : 8:01AM I watched her in a scene she did with the late director chico wang. for down the hatch 19. it was a rough scene, and chico was not known for being to nice to the girls. But Jessi you decided to enter porn, no need to slam the industry like you did. I'm glad you found god, "but I think that was the drugs talking to you" good luck in your future life. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Feb 19 2012 : 11:13AM 007 wrote: I find it surprising how many users on here with hundreds if not thousands of posts say how bad the porn industry is. Why are you here? Are you simply addicted? Click to expand I'm not a porn insider or expert but I've never thought the porn industry is "bad" in and of itself. It seems there are some people who try and take advantage of performers and performers who are self destructive and/or allow themselves to be taken advantage of but neither are true for everyone in the business. Of course the bad experiences will come out and get the most attention because it's more exciting/scandulous to read/hear. But to me it seems that if a girl enters the biz with their head screwed on straight with a plan and goals and stands up for herself she'll do just fine if she has what it takes. Yeah, stories like Jessi's exist and are sad but what about the stories of Jenna Jameson, Jesse James, Sasha Grey, and countless other porn girls who probably have a much better life than they would've had otherwise if they hadn't entered the porn biz? The porn biz doesn't seem to be any worse than the music biz in terms of it being a "bad" thing but because so many people have hangups about sex it gets a much worse reputation. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Feb 19 2012 : 9:50PM jrv wrote: I'm always a little suspicious on any philosophy that starts with the predicate assumption "It's someone else's fault; nothing I could have done would have helped." I wonder what Madam Curie or Rosalind Franklin would have thought of Adrienne Rich. Click to expand Everyone is assuming that just because Rich is a lesbian and feminist she is opposed to pornography, that's not necessarily true. Also, your idea that feminism is somehow predicated on your distorted statement is absurd. Edited by - BlackSix on 2/19/2012 9:51:15 PM [Link]

Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07	Posted - Feb 20 2012 : 12:59AM BlackSix wrote: Everyone is assuming that just because Rich is a lesbian and feminist she is opposed to pornography, that's not necessarily true. Click to expand Even without Googling that's a pretty safe assumption; you could probably count the number of pro-porn second wave feminists on the fingers of one hand. Rich was a founding member of Women Against Pornography and lobbied for anti-porn legislation to ban even the most softcore images. Her views on porn are the standard stuff from second wave feminism, for example: Pornography is the message of the master to the slave: "This is what you are; this is what I can do to you." It is intended to fill women with terror, to teach them to fear the night, to control them. Pornography is about slavery. Click to expand I think it's fair to say she wouldn't appreciate her poetry appearing here... BlackSix wrote: Also, your idea that feminism is somehow predicated on your distorted statement is absurd. Click to expand I don't think that's too much of a distortion when dealing with Rich's brand of feminism, where women are so brainwashed and controlled by the patriarchy that they're suffering from "false consciousness" and can't even know their own minds, let alone freely make their own choices. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Feb 20 2012 : 7:32AM ^ Returning to Jessi: It seems clear to me that some women who have the legal capacity to consent to appear in porn aren't able to provide meaningful consent. The younger Jessi is one example. Some, possibly Jessi, might argue that porn is in its nature so degrading and perverse that no sane (or God-fearing) woman would consent to do porn. Some, possibly Rich, might argue that the society we live in is so degrading and perverse that no sane woman would consent to do porn. I have trouble accepting either of these arguments because there is the implicit claim that "I think clearly enough about this issue that I am capable of making personal decisions. Some others are not capable of making those decisions for themselves, but I understand their situations well enough to make a sound judgement without ever discussing the matter with them." Does anybody here believe they can offer a coherent explanation of the anti-porn feminist position vis a vis consent? [Link]
jrv Senior Member 1266 Posts 2/03	Posted - Feb 20 2012 : 4:01PM Consider the situation Jessi was in before porn. Porn offered her a way to escape that had she made that choice, perhaps the only realistic chance given her drug habits (few jobs are available for people qho do hard drugs & have trouble showing up at work on the right days of the week). She may be unhappy with her time in porn - or whoever wrote that article on Shelly's site was unhappy about it - but it's not obvious to me that Jessi was any worse off after porn than before. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 21 2012 : 9:12PM shalalin wrote: This thread's a good example of the fact that many atheists are just as fervent about their lack of belief as religious people are about [insert their deity of choice here]. Click to expand Actually, I kind of agree with you about full on atheism but I consider myself more of an agnostic. I used to consider myself an atheist but I have (to an extent) made my peace with religious people. I still don't agree with them about anything but I understand their motives. My main issue here is that I don't buy any of this "I thought I knew what I was getting into at the time but I really didn't". That can't be an excuse for going back and trashing the porn business just because you regret your past. It's fine to have regrets for the things you've done by choice. Just don't blame those regrets on other people. If I choose to go bungee jumping and I have nightmares of falling every night for the rest of my life because of it, I can't very well blame the people who ran the bungee jumping operation. It should have been obvious enough that it isn't for everyone. If that isn't enough, they usually give you fair warning and though I've never actually done it, I can't imagine they let people do it without signing a paper or something. Many people have done the bungee jumping thing without incident and enjoyed themselves. I should have done more homework before just jumping in. We all have regrets. Sometimes we blame other people. Sometimes we're right. Usually, we blame other people for our own mistakes. I enjoyed Jessi Summers' scenes way back when, but I can't say I'm surprised to hear about her background, given how many of her pre-scene interviews featured that strange mix of uncomfortable shyness and excessive chipperness that always tends to throw up warning flags for me. Click to expand Thing is, beyond a certain point, a viewer can't realistically be expected to do this kind of evaluation for every scene he/she decides to watch. The objective is (usually) to masturbate. Not try your hand at reading someone's mind in a porn scene that was filmed weeks, months or years ago. Edited by - randomprecision on 2/21/2012 9:27:50 PM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Feb 21 2012 : 9:18PM CummingLinguist wrote: Does anybody here believe they can offer a coherent explanation of the anti-porn feminist position vis a vis consent? Click to expand "Women are ALWAYS victims." [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Feb 22 2012 : 2:12AM Dave_K99 wrote: Even without Googling that's a pretty safe assumption; you could probably count the number of pro-porn second wave feminists on the fingers of one hand. Rich was a founding member of Women Against Pornography and lobbied for anti-porn legislation to ban even the most softcore images. Her views on porn are the standard stuff from second wave feminism, for example: Click to expand Thanks for the info on Rich, I didn't know that about her as I mostly just knew her as a poet. Not too surprising but I think that there were many prominent 'second wave' feminists who didn't take the conventional stance against pornography or held more subtle positions on it: Susan Sontag, Ellen Willis, Angela Carter, Linda Williams, Lynne Segal, even Kate Millet, whose position was distorted in the presentation of Not a Love Story. The split among feminists on the question of pornography in the 80s was significant. Edited by - BlackSix on 2/22/2012 2:14:30 AM [Link]
kingdarius Deactivated User President of the IDGAF Coalition 3288 Posts 2/10	Posted - Jun 3 2015 : 5:36PM didnt know where to put this and i nvr was really a fan of hers but it looks like she's back in a upcoming newsensations movie called "MILF Creampies" MILF Creampies dont know if this is a one off thing or if she's officially back in the biz again [Link]
TDTxx Member 682 Posts 12/11	Posted - Jun 3 2015 : 8:45PM ^most likely thats a bonus scene of something she did a long time ago [Link]
kingdarius Deactivated User President of the IDGAF Coalition 3288 Posts 2/10	Posted - Jun 3 2015 : 9:59PM ^nah thats not possible, if u look at the back cover her scene is with bruce venture, he wasnt even in the biz when she left. Plus she wouldnt be in the cast list if it was just a bonus scene Edited by - kingdarius on 6/3/2015 10:00:37 PM [Link]
swallowtheload Member 512 Posts 9/04	Posted - Jun 3 2015 : 10:37PM She is back. He twitter.....https://twitter.com/SummersJessi She was in LA for a few weeks back in April and was available through Motley Models. https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/jessi-summers-gone [Link]

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