John Strong (page 2)

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Oral B. Member 349 Posts 4/05	Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 5:45PM I'm kind of Burning out on Strong too. It's not that he's a bad performer really. He's just kind of repetitive, and lacks imagination. The industry needs an influx of average nice guys for our sweet porno babes to fuck. [Link]
MythMaker Member Jada... the best thing in porn 919 Posts 7/07	Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 6:19PM Hey, I'm not saying anyone should hesitate to express an opinion, but some of the comments toward John Strong are pretty vitriolic. This forum is here to be just that, a forum for fans and the industry to dialogue. However, expressing an opinion, even a strong one (no pun intended), shouldn't degenerate into repetitive bashing of one performer. Etiquette says to respect the performers and not be antagonistic, this is for male performers as well as female. I'm not a moderator, obviously, and I love that people can use this as a medium to guide producers about what we like and want to see more of. I'd never diss someone for doing that. This is a good thread, but some of it is pretty negative, not necessarily constructive. [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 11:15PM MythMaker wrote: but some of it is pretty negative, not necessarily constructive. Click to expand There is nothing constructive to say about the neanderthal only destructive. I thought he couldn't annoy me anymore but then he got his blond highlights and fucked up BWT5. Anyway it's jobs for the boys and there have been previous threads about him and still he is cast, so I don't think this one will change anything. So join me in voting with your wallet and boycott future productions, those that want too. I know that I am. [Link]
traderhtc Member 199 Posts 6/02	Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 11:26PM Billy Brown wrote: i watched a scene with him tonight with ryder skye and the guy sucked the personality out of my balls from across the room. Click to expand LOL! That is the funniest statement I've read in a long time. The most memorable moment I have of Strong is in the BTS of Flesh Hunter 5. He basically commands Taylor Rain to suck his dick (I think after a standing CG position) and she gives a look of annoyance and just says "No" after which the other male performers were muffling laughter. The fact that Taylor Rain made him look stupid speaks volume of his personality. [Link]

ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 11:33PM He is a douche. [Link]
Steve Holmes Senior Member 1235 Posts 12/02	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:30AM I shot John Strong twice. For Steve Holmes' Perversions with Ariana Jollee and me and in Anal Cum Addicts with Kelly Wells and me. He makes the work of a director easy. Some might call it robotic and dislike it, but technically John Strong is probably one of the best performers ever. I don't say you should like him, but if you don't, just avoid his movies. There is so much product released every day that nobody can watch it anyway. Steve Holmes [Link]
MythMaker Member Jada... the best thing in porn 919 Posts 7/07	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 2:29AM Steve Holmes wrote: I don't say you should like him, but if you don't, just avoid his movies. There is so much product released every day that nobody can watch it anyway. Steve Holmes Click to expand Even if John is in one scene of a video you'd otherwise get - why let that ruin it? Directors are giving 3-4 hours of content in titles that cost 20-30 max. That's 5-6 scenes at about 4-5$ each. Losing one isn't that big a hit - work around your aversion! Oh, and Steve, just wanted to shout out and say how much I dig the way you engage women in scenes - lots of oral, rimming, and kissing before and throughout the scenes really make the connections resonate. Seeing you and Annette in Buttworx, I'd swear you both were in love! lol Edited by - MythMaker on 11/8/2007 2:36:25 AM [Link]
De_Bella Member 77 Posts 6/06	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 3:00AM Take it from some one who used to work with him on the set and inside redlight: No one on earth thinks he is as good as he is but him. ego as big at the high sierras. He had talent both in front of the camera and behind it but no more. he is a pounder and that is it and really all he has going for him. [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 3:06AM wow, this thread is nuts! first of all, you guys should avoid all mr. pete movies because of his lack of a competent crossover dribble and his left hand is also kind of suspect. plus he tends to penetrate too deep into the lane and gets stuck with no way through the trees. :) john strong is one of the workhorses of our industry. he is always available, always ready to work, and very good at what he does. 80 percent of the directors want a guy who they never have to worry about completing the scene. he is one of the premier go to guys in our business. although i cant get totally behind him if roxy deville doesnt like him, because she is my goddess. [Link]
Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 4:52AM christianx wrote: john strong is one of the workhorses of our industry. he is always available, always ready to work, and very good at what he does. 80 percent of the directors want a guy who they never have to worry about completing the scene. he is one of the premier go to guys in our business... Click to expand And yet, so many fans are complaining about him. But I guess that doesn't matter. I'm so glad you're here to set us all straight Christian. [Link]
Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 6:51AM christianx wrote: john strong is one of the workhorses of our industry. he is always available, always ready to work, and very good at what he does. Click to expand I'll agree with you on your first point, Christian. John Strong is a reliable, dependable performer. That is to say, he has a reliable, dependable cock. That's admirable. He has a rare physical talent. But I disagree with your second point. I don't think he's a good performer. I think his cock is a good porn performer. There's a bit of a difference. Reliable wood is important to a production, but to a viewer (and by that, I mean Me), that's not enough. His job is to bring out the best in the girl he's performing with. He's supposed to show us all that she can really turn a guy on. He doesn't convey that. He seems bored. When he does express some emotion, he seems annoyed, or even angry. This strikes me as odd because in some of the BTS I've watched, he seems like an okay guy. If I were to draw conclusions based on the couple dozen scenes I've viewed, I'd say he suffers from a severe case of machismo, bordering on stoicism. It seems he can't let his guard down. That might be cool if he were playing an aloof Dom, but in the role of "ordinary guy," it's a mistake. He makes the female talent look uninspiring, boring and inept. [Link]
Beaumont Livingston Member 113 Posts 9/05	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 9:59AM I agree that John Strong is a good performer even though I don't care for scenes that he is in. Back when RLD had Everhard, Steve Holmes, Manuel, Strong would actually carry the other guys though the scenes by always be the one fucking the majority of the time in one position during the DP scenes. He does seem to do his job but the girls it seems to me aren't that into him and he just doesn't draw enough heat in his scenes. [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:34AM No no no no. To me, John Strong is NOT a good performer. I as a fan dig the fantasies of porn, sometimes dreaming of living the life of the male performers. When I see a person who lives this fantasy in real, getting paid to bang all the beautiful and crazy willing chicks, I do not see how this stonefaced, uncharismatic and über-"macho"(really: rather silly pretending motionless) ego-master, can make applaude. Steve: even from a consumers point of view, sex and porn is actually a tad bit more than just technique. I just don't dig a technically gifted performer, if he still generates as much heat as a three day old fart in a jar. In many scenes, Strong don't even bring out feelings from his female counterparts. That does not look good. Summa sumarum: I disagree that a good performer is a performer that brings no worry for the director. A good performer is a performer you can see enjoys doing his work, that just happens to be banging superhot babes for payment. [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:44AM Steve Holmes wrote: I shot John Strong twice. He makes the work of a director easy. Some might call it robotic and dislike it, but technically John Strong is probably one of the best performers ever. Steve Holmes Click to expand Intially when I read the above quote I was elated then I realised Steve mean't he had filmed him. As I said before it's jobs for the boys and Steve is just looking out for his mucker, John, which is admirable in the face of such adversity. Edited by - leatherdick on 11/8/2007 11:45:21 AM [Link]

skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 12:40PM Roxy DeVille is a goddess. I think that we can all agree on. My point is that the industry doesn't really care if someone is "good" or "bad" in the eyes of the consumer, because the industry needs to get the scene done, and the performers who are most consistent and reliable are going to be the guys doing the scenes. I don't doubt that 70% of the male talent are kooks with bizarre personal issues, not unlike the girls, really, but since a guy in porn is mostly significant for keeping a hard cock and staying out of jail, whether or not a home viewer thinks Male Performer X is properly charismatic really doesn't count for shit. Now, yeah, personally ... I like to see a scene w/guys like Ferrara or Steve Holmes here, because they can bring things out of certain girls that make a scene really amazing. But porn doesn't need to produce amazing. It just needs product. Which is too bad. But it's just like "Fast Food Nation" only it's not burgers it's pussy. [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:03PM skronker you are correct of course, but the only exception to that rule is something physical. if their cock is shaped weird and doesnt look right, or their legs are too massive and you cant see the girl, or something else physically that affects the way the director can shoot the girl. other than that you are right. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:46PM leatherdick wrote: I thought he couldn't annoy me anymore but then he got his blond highlights Click to expand [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:49PM I wish I wasn't, though ... I do think conscientious producers do their best to match performers, but the only sure thing is when the girls decide they won't work with someone. And yet, even the "No List" doesn't always work ... Weird shaped cocks? Man, there are some definite weird ones out there ... hahaha. I don't think I could possibly get out there and fuck a different girl every day on camera 6 days a week ... I actually think it's amazing any dude can be a porn performer and not appear jaded, cynical and bored after doing it for more than a year or two tops ... [Link]
wheat Senior Member You want a toe? I can get you a toe 1131 Posts 4/06	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:52PM I think the safest thing porn companies can do is not overload one movie with the same guy. If a male star really annoys you but he's only in one or at most two scenes it's not going to stop you buying the movie. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:52PM You heard me twice the first time ... Edited by - skronker on 11/8/2007 4:28:26 PM [Link]
undone Deactivated User what's for dinner? 214 Posts 6/07	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 4:19PM I have never liked John Strong scenes. The girls are hot and he is a prolific fucker, but just boring to watch...bad stroke material. Maybe its just that his cock is small or that he is lacking balls. Hi fucking style is lame. He seems angry, self absorbed. I also don't like his trio, Manual or Erik or even Stefanno...are they related? Red faced viagra bones with sweat and something...who the fuck knows...lets boycot them! [Link]
N3TD Member DARKNESS 30 Posts 12/02	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:00PM As a performer he is good ..not too many out there that have the ability to go on staying hard like that. He needs to lose the stupid attitude though. He ain't no real mob boss etc. This kind of bs is what makes people dislike mainly I think. These guys need to lose the stupid gangster or trying to make a girl feel low type talk. I'm betting if they do they'll get alot more fans. [Link]
N3TD Member DARKNESS 30 Posts 12/02	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:03PM MythMaker wrote: Steve Holmes wrote: I don't say you should like him, but if you don't, just avoid his movies. There is so much product released every day that nobody can watch it anyway. Steve Holmes Click to expand Even if John is in one scene of a video you'd otherwise get - why let that ruin it? Directors are giving 3-4 hours of content in titles that cost 20-30 max. That's 5-6 scenes at about 4-5$ each. Losing one isn't that big a hit - work around your aversion! Oh, and Steve, just wanted to shout out and say how much I dig the way you engage women in scenes - lots of oral, rimming, and kissing before and throughout the scenes really make the connections resonate. Seeing you and Annette in Buttworx, I'd swear you both were in love! lol Edited by - MythMaker on 11/8/2007 2:36:25 AM Click to expand Steve you need to stop trying to kiss all the girls sometimes in your scenes you can clearly see the girls are turning their heads or just disgusted and don't really want to kiss you! Do you ever ask them before the scene is shot or you just try the spur of the moment thing? [Link]
HeyNow Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03	Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:09PM He's working hard, I know I see his name as the "directed by" credit on a lot stuff out of RLD right now...maybe a movie every other week? At worst the movies are average and sometimes he puts out some really good ones. Don't pay enough attention to him as a performer - like most of the guys I probably couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. Not that I would ever have to. I hope. [Link]

phatasslover Member 195 Posts 6/07	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 2:53AM Talon is another guy I cant stand. He looks like such a prick. [Link]
bps Member 313 Posts 2/07	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 11:54AM MythMaker wrote: Oddly enough, there are probably more than a few consumers of adult material who find that kind of detached, all business, use the girl for the hole type domination the reason for the turn on. Some of us want to be immersed in the fantasy and feel like the girl is being pleasured, and for others the girl is simply and only an object. In that kind of situation, it may even be possible the viewer is watching precisely for the male performer, and it's the girl that's the prop. Something to think about. Click to expand well put, MythMaker. different strokes, etc....... I've wondered about the seeming overabundance of the extreme stuff, which I find almost completely unappetizing. my guess is that the demeaning, brusque, overbearing stuff must indeed be meeting real demand, though perhaps not in the way we typically expect market forces to work. I've got to think that the typical consumer of this stuff is a guy who probably doesn't have/or hasn't had much real sexual interaction with women. that's not meant as a put down. they probably imagine themselves going whole-hog in precisely that way...........IF ever given the opportunity. I think too, that while they likely make up a relatively small actual percentage of all adult video consumers, they're likely a disproportionately engaged and vociferous segment; to wit -- they know exactly what they like, they watch a LOT of it, and they are very opinionated about their preference. [Link]
bps Member 313 Posts 2/07	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 12:02PM I've never enjoyed a scene with him, no matter how hot the girl. as a rule, it's absolutely joyless stuff as he dispenses with any real foreplay for her (has he ever licked a girl?) and rushes to the task of hammering away at warp-speed, relentlessly. there's nothing lamer than watching a none too attractive guy flail away at a beautiful girl, and the beautiful girl vainly, desperately pretending she's into it. [Link]
MythMaker Member Jada... the best thing in porn 919 Posts 7/07	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 12:33PM Steve you need to stop trying to kiss all the girls sometimes in your scenes you can clearly see the girls are turning their heads or just disgusted and don't really want to kiss you! Do you ever ask them before the scene is shot or you just try the spur of the moment thing? [/quote] I think of the Mia Rose scene in Slut Puppies 2. That's a good point, sometimes the sponteneity doesn't take into account the girl may not like to kiss. That's always an awkward thing to watch. When the two are into it, though, that's awesome. The BTS portion of Slut Puppies 2 shows Mia tongue fucked by Steve just to pass the time - I would say she was definitely into him! [Link]
PornAgain Member 54 Posts 11/06	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 6:18PM I have written here previously about how sick I am of Strong and all of the other few guys who have a stranglehold on male porn roles. Even if they're not as robotic as John "Zero Chemistry" Strong, they go through the same motions the same way every time (and that's daily). They give orders constantly and must be in control at all times, suck heat from scenes, and demean the legal girls who keep them from working at Walmart. I search for films that avoid Strong, Mr. Pete (foot on the neck), Ashley (I do all the pumping), Lee (Ugh!) Stone, Michael (Mr. Narcissism) Stefano, Talon ("Yeah!") and a few others. I wonder, though, whether it would increase profits for a director to find new male talent as is done with new female talent. Maybe the general porn public, especially those who aren't into it as much as we pornaholics at Adult DVD Talk, don't notice or don't care. Maybe many viewers just get off on seeing fucking and sucking.... I have found fine series that do not feature the above-mentioned gross males and present MUCH hotter sex. A few: Virgins of the Screen, First Time Auditions, The Girl Next Door, Just Turned 18 (directed by Chucky Sleaze). Basically it seems that Los Angeles-based companies are grinding out so many films that no fresh concepts are present and all are going through the motions. It's time for other locations to give RLD and others a permanent vacation. Sorry, White BOY, that I couldn't restrict myself to commenting about John Strong. He's the pits but is symptomatic of a larger problem.... When I've written about this previously, there were only a few responses and I decided that no one was interested. You've hit a nerve with the many responses to your post. Let's hope that it gains momentum and we see some improvements in this great medium of pleasure. One approach is for all of who agree with you to express ourselves via reviews where we rent or buy as often as possible. PornAgain [Link]
kristielove Member All is fair in love and porn 69 Posts 7/05	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 10:15PM I think that this thread has been just mean and non-constructive bashing. I appreciate the fact that a lot of you seem to not like scenes with John Strong, that's your prerogative but even with viagra, the fact is it's very hard to find "reliable" male performers something that is a must, if the guy can't do the job, the scene is ruined. I can understand the wanting to see the passion angle, TRUST ME but as someone who spent the last 2 years booking movies and doing lighting/PA/BTS for (here goes the hatin') PXP & Red light the fact is there are VERY few guys who can keep it up and wait to cum or basically not ruin the pop shot after shooting the whole scene and taking the photos=wasting time and money(2 things people in porn treasure). I hate to burst bubbles or ruin an illusion but the reality is a lot of times a porn set is the un-sexiest or since the opposite of hot is cold, most freezing place on earth. Once again sorry but a good majority of the female talent is not the "I just love sex and hey, if I get paid too, cool" type of girls like they claim in BTS. They just love the paycheck. Sorry ladies but it's true. (oohh here comes the backlash) Porn sets can be cold and businesslike and have an air of "we all wanna get the f outa here as quick as possible." Let's face it, all male talent love their job and guys can get jacked up over any naked girl on them but girls are VERY different. Enough said, don't wanna ruin anymore. I WILL tell you that I can think of several girls right now off the top of my head who've told me John Strong is they're favorite performer. Yea he pounds but many of us like that and appreciate that it's not the ole' pound pound pull out, pound pull out, stay out, stay out, pound pull out, etc. There is a lot to be said for continuous action. Also, yes the porn machine cranks out A LOT of product. Trying to book 3 movies a month is HARD! (Then he's also working as talent 5-6 days a week). I mean for example, how many fresh new "Big Booty" girls can you find when all the directors in your building alone, have just shot THEIR "big booty" movies with the same "new" girls the same week! Here's the reality, it's not like he's being booked all the time because directors love him and are ignoring all these other guys out there. There's a reason that while it doesn't sound good, reliable is gold. Having the girl, the location, the photographer sitting around while some poor guy is yanking on his dick till he's about to pass out and/or rub 5 layers of skin off is a nightmare. Or, worst is shooting the scene, doing photos and then oops, the pop shot is ruined! I know, it's not "sexy" or "hot" but it's a reality. Everybody wants hot scenes but you want to be confident you'll be able to shoot and finish the scene too! Having booked and worked with and for John many many times, I KNOW I can speak for him when I say, he isn't "bored" or "annoyed" like some of you say, he LOVES his job and he LOVES fucking hot girls but this job isn't as easy as it sounds. If you wanna talk detached, well, I won't go into how many of the girls act on set but I've wondered how guys can stay hard many times...many times. Sooo, all you "monday morning quarterbacks," it's easy to talk when you're dick's not one in the spotlight. Also, I dunno what your all talking about having spent much of the past 2 years in it's presence, his dick isn't small, I'd say it's comparatively above average. Lotsa love... [Link]
phatasslover Member 195 Posts 6/07	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 10:37PM Kristie, Sorry but I dont buy it. There are literally millions of guys who would love to do porn. You are saying you cant find a freakin guy out of them who can stay hard and cum when needed? And maybe his cock isnt small..its average at best. This is porn, that isnt good enough. Average cocks should not be allowed. We want to see big dicks fucking these women... [Link]
dvd4dvd Deactivated User 292 Posts 6/07	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 11:34PM I just finished watching "Obscene Behavior #2" I believe it was either directed by John Strong or he was simply in it. Let me tell ya. one of the hottest f'ing videos I have ever seen. my cock is still rock hard. and If I misplace spell any words, it was probably from the extra hand that is still standing at attention and rock hard! Great Job John Strong!!! Congrats! [Link]
kristielove Member All is fair in love and porn 69 Posts 7/05	Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 11:55PM I don't know but ya have to ask, why is the male talent pool is so small? When I first started booking I wanted to find other guys cuz i'd just spent a year watching the same 3-4 guys and while I love them, I wanted variety too but between the girl's opinions (I polled a lot of them re: good and bad guys) it was iffy and too expensive for me to mess around with. When the location costs almost as much as the male talent and they take forever, the money man gets mad! But as for me, I had to contend with a bunch of other things cuz I wanted to try other guys. So, I'm just sayin' the guy could literally work 2 scenes a day every day (& practically does)so there must be a good reason because there are a lot of guys much cheaper than Johnny. I hear ya about wanting a big juicy fat cock (excuse the embellishment! hee hee) but so many of these literally "little girls" can't take the big dicks. I've seen so many of them not even be able to take John's dick and he would even say, "if you can't take this one, how are you gonna do porn?" I loved this one line he always said, "it's just a dick, it's never killed anyone yet." Then again, it doesn't help when the big dick guys are stupid and shove their cocks in w/out lube (so many guys think that girls get all naturally wet from giving a 5 minute bj...hello?) and wind up causing major damage that they probably don't even know about. There's a lot of tearing that goes on to these poor girls and then they loose work for a while (at the very least). [Link]
dvd4dvd Deactivated User 292 Posts 6/07	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 12:21AM I have to agree with the last commentator.. there seems to be a big time difference in ratio .. from hot hot babes...and a small pool of guys. and trust me..none of these guys will you ever find in Playgirl or in a Stud's Magazine. why are all the Hottest Studs Strippers and Dancing at the JetStrip in Hawthorne, California, or in Las Vegas..and they are not participating in the Many Avenues of Porn Flicks??? [Link]

kristielove Member All is fair in love and porn 69 Posts 7/05	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 12:53AM I think those dudes are gay [Link]
Joel Member 331 Posts 5/05	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:54AM To make money in Porn as a man, you need to get to the top. You typically need to start from the bottom, getting paid fuckall for doing skanky gang bang flicks rubbing your nutsack against some other dudes sack, or rubbing nob ends if it's DP. What self respecting man wants to do that? You only get well paid if you get into directing and producing. [Link]
Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 3:41AM Kristie, I'm the one that made the comment that John Strong seems annoyed in some of his scenes. I said "seems." He may not actually be annoyed, but he looks that way, and his tone of voice makes him sound that way. I'm a viewer, not a performer. Your perspective is valuable. I'm glad you posted. I can understand the appeal of reliable wood. I imagine if I were a performer, I wouldn't want a scene to drag out a couple extra hours while the guy gets his act together. And I'd certainly appreciate a guy that's professional and comes to work on time, and doesn't give me any hassles. Those are great attributes for a male performer to have, and I understand why he's so prolific. What I don't understand is why his love of sex, of women, and of porn doesn't translate through the screen. It just doesn't come across. I'll go on the record stating that I'm very interested in giving John Strong another chance. If anybody can list some movies in which he has sizzling heat with a female performer, I'll watch them. Maybe I gave up on him too quickly and missed all his hot scenes. Then after I've seen some stuff of his that I like, I can post back here with some constructive criticism, like "Hey John, do more of that next time." [Link]
007 Senior Member 1246 Posts 4/03	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 4:59AM Are you the Kristie Love of Deep Cheeks 7 and Balls Deep 3 fame? [Link]
Steve Holmes Senior Member 1235 Posts 12/02	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 5:16AM N3TD wrote: Steve you need to stop trying to kiss all the girls sometimes in your scenes you can clearly see the girls are turning their heads or just disgusted and don't really want to kiss you! Do you ever ask them before the scene is shot or you just try the spur of the moment thing? Click to expand MythMaker wrote: I think of the Mia Rose scene in Slut Puppies 2. That's a good point, sometimes the sponteneity doesn't take into account the girl may not like to kiss. That's always an awkward thing to watch. When the two are into it, though, that's awesome. The BTS portion of Slut Puppies 2 shows Mia tongue fucked by Steve just to pass the time - I would say she was definitely into him! Click to expand Kissing is essential for me. Some girls have this "you can fuck me, but I only kiss my boyfriend" attitute. Than I refuse to work with her. I would even leave a started set and everybody exept the location owner and the make-up artist looses their pay. Including me. Steve Holmes [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 6:43AM OK. I haven't seen as many John Strong scenes as many of his detractors apparently have but I find some of these statements just a little puzzling. I have not noticed any tendency for John to be any rougher than the rest of the male talent in a given movie. I haven't really ever seen him "hammer away" Everhard style on a girl. Hell, if there's a criticism I have about John Strong, it's that sometimes he isn't rough enough when the girl clearly wants it (and I mean REALLY wants it and isn't just acting) and even asks for it. He does do the forced deepthroat thing as most male talent does but he's not nearly as rough as he could be. Like some of the other top male talent, he seems to know when a girl isn't really into the rough stuff and doesn't push too hard (this is from the scenes I've seen). About his cock being small. It's about the same size as mine (maybe a little shorter). I don't really care if the male performer has a monster dick or not (although there are times when that's what I'm looking for). You can complain about John all day long but in order to do so, you're ignoring probably 20 guys who have ten inchers who couldn't get hard to save their lives. Whatever the guy does, he needs to be hard. The biggest wood killer in the world for me is to see a limp dick hanging there or it's owner trying to fuck with it. I would say John's dick is about 6" (although it's hard to really tell). That's perfectly fine, I think. I've never seen a scene of his in which he wasn't able to perform because his cock wasn't even hard enough to penetrate. If you want to complain about dicks, complain about the ones that are never even hard. No amount of chemistry can make up for that. And then we have the dicks that are large and semi erect but are very oddly shaped. To the point to where it's a major distraction. Now in reality, I have nothing against guys with curved cocks that curl around to the right or the left and downward or whatever. But porn is different. At least John's cock is relatively well formed. Now finally - Lack of excitement. Well, this is the only area where his detractors might sort of have a point. But I don't find that he overacts much, either. There are a bunch of guys who overact in porn. I don't see the Everhard comparison. I do think he could be a better performer but he's far, far from the worst. Which is probably why you see so much of him. And for the poster who said that for some guys, it must be all about the male performer, this is true. And to my mind, perfectly natural. Since the male performer is my surrogate in the scene. By your own admission, the male talent makes or breaks the scene. If John isn't the kind of guy you want to see, find something else. It's not really that hard to avoid him. Check out some Euro porn. If you're into American porn, you see him a lot because he's one of the few who doesn't have multiple performance issues. Edited by - randomprecision on 11/10/2007 6:44:12 AM [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 8:01AM Steve Holmes wrote: Kissing is essential for me. Steve Holmes Click to expand Steve you don't need to explain yourself, man your one of the best performers since Harry Reems first diagnosed Linda with her throat problem. First time I saw you was fucking Monique Covet in the opening scene of Erica for Private, great scene. [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 9:17AM kristielove wrote: There's a reason that while it doesn't sound good, reliable is gold. Having the girl, the location, the photographer sitting around while some poor guy is yanking on his dick till he's about to pass out and/or rub 5 layers of skin off is a nightmare. Or, worst is shooting the scene, doing photos and then oops, the pop shot is ruined! Click to expand Ok, I hear ya, but let me suggest that you find a new way to work the angles, a more rlaxed and not so "freezing cold" porn set, so that the new guys have a chance, and that other guys, with non-sociopaths issues, can have a chance. Better time and atmosphere and trust, perhaps? But as a typical "monday morning quarterback", I am perhaps way out of my league here... [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 9:23AM PornAgain wrote: Sorry, White BOY, that I couldn't restrict myself to commenting about John Strong. He's the pits but is symptomatic of a larger problem.... When I've written about this previously, there were only a few responses and I decided that no one was interested. You've hit a nerve with the many responses to your post. Let's hope that it gains momentum and we see some improvements in this great medium of pleasure. One approach is for all of who agree with you to express ourselves via reviews where we rent or buy as often as possible. Click to expand Nothing to say "sorry" for, I think you have many good points here, and your thoughts are just as important amdnvalued as mine. I think we should grab the opportunity with this excellent forum to tell HOW we want or wish porn to be or become. If not, we as the consumers must accept just taking all the average and below-average shit that overflows the market. We have actually the right and power to boycott all the shit. I have tons of bad porn, bought uncritically. How happy I am for my little section of my entire collection that really is hot. It is these dvd's I constantly return too, and that actually is valuable to me. As a regular and critical consumer, I want the right to say my opinion to the industry of whom I have a love/hate relationship to, and also encourage other adultdvdtalk'ers that agree with me to boycott certain products, and even companies. mod note: fixed quotes, and sorry, the spelling too. Edited by - heynow on 11/10/2007 11:41:09 AM [Link]
Cumwhipper Senior Member 4050 Posts 3/04	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 9:35AM Very entertaining thread, echoing many of my own sentiments of the past few years. Mostly, I find JS robotic and boring. He's in so many scenes, that I've mostly just burned out on him. To his credit, he has laid down a few very hot scenes, but I can't tell you how many movies I've avoided renting because of John being the director. If there are scenes with newer girls that I'm on the lookout for, I'll often avoid those scenes if they're with John. There are exceptions, like "Cum Coat My Throat", but those are few and far between. What really drives me crazy though, is the constant "Baby, baby" talk, the never-ending "No hands, baby" during the oral portions of his scenes, the color-by-numbers, mechanical, this-position-then-this-position approach that seems to permeate every one of his scenes. People questioning why others are complaining about JS's smaller cock have got to realize that most porn consumers want to see big (black or otherwise!) dicks in little chix as a general rule. Visually, it's just a lot hotter than an average or smaller cock. Big, attractive cocks can make an average scene better. Manuel Ferrara can bring out a great performance from lots of the women in porn, but I can't stand looking at that uncut monster - to me, it's just not very appealing, and let's face it, the cock spends as much time in frame as any other body parts. [Link]
MythMaker Member Jada... the best thing in porn 919 Posts 7/07	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 12:38PM leatherdick wrote: Steve Holmes wrote: Kissing is essential for me. Steve Holmes Click to expand Steve you don't need to explain yourself, man your one of the best performers since Harry Reems first diagnosed Linda with her throat problem. First time I saw you was fucking Monique Covet in the opening scene of Erica for Private, great scene. Click to expand No doubt! Steve is an amazing performer that really lends to the way I envision fucking in a fantasy scenario. He was hilarious in the scene done recently with Aline in Anal Cavity Search 3 - "This is how I like to enjoy my champagne". Classic! [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 1:58PM MythMaker wrote: leatherdick wrote: Steve Holmes wrote: Kissing is essential for me. Steve Holmes Click to expand Steve you don't need to explain yourself, man your one of the best performers since Harry Reems first diagnosed Linda with her throat problem. First time I saw you was fucking Monique Covet in the opening scene of Erica for Private, great scene. Click to expand No doubt! Steve is an amazing performer that really lends to the way I envision fucking in a fantasy scenario. He was hilarious in the scene done recently with Aline in Anal Cavity Search 3 - "This is how I like to enjoy my champagne". Classic! Click to expand I kind of think Steve Holmes was much better performer before he left our beloved Europe, in advantage of the USA. Just listen to Michelle Wild in Private's "Private life of Michelle Wild", where she claims he altered personality and style. Anyways, Steve Holmes is 10.000 times better than JS. [Link]
jjames Member 231 Posts 3/04	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:06PM I really couldn't give a toss about what a great professional and technical performer John Strong is ... that is not the consumers worry that is the producer/director's problem. We the consumers are only interested in the end product (and not how easy or difficult it was to put the scenes together). Safe to say that if I see his name on the back cover of any RLD/Plat X release I will not be purchasing that particular film no matter how good it looks. I wonder if RLD really give a care about their once loyal fanbase though as they only seem intent on churning out one generic film after another. I would be interested to see how much RLD/Plat X have lost putting Strong in just about every other scene they shoot. [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:50PM Cumwhipper wrote: Manuel Ferrara can bring out a great performance from lots of the women in porn, but I can't stand looking at that uncut monster - to me, it's just not very appealing, Click to expand This guy Manuel has always been hit or miss for me. I haven't seen the trailer yet but I am hopimg that he brings the best out in Jenny Hendrix. I will know from the trailer. Edited by - leatherdick on 11/10/2007 11:00:10 PM [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:54PM WhiteBOY wrote: I kind of think Steve Holmes was much better performer before he left our beloved Europe, . Click to expand Your on my wavelength and a perceptive porn viewer. I agree 100% with this statement. Steve was a passionate guy in Europe. Edited by - leatherdick on 11/10/2007 2:55:24 PM Edited by - leatherdick on 11/10/2007 10:56:07 PM [Link]
flying_postman Member Europena Fanboy 162 Posts 5/07	Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 7:25PM Steve Holmes wrote: Kissing is essential for me. Some girls have this "you can fuck me, but I only kiss my boyfriend" attitude. Than I refuse to work with her. I would even leave a started set and everybody except the location owner and the make-up artist looses their pay. Including me. Steve Holmes Click to expand That good Steve and I totally agree. Kissing really brings more heat to a scene and I wish to see more of this from more performers. Regarding the whole John Strong issue, he was a good performer when RedLight was at it's peak a few years ago but but now I can't say the same. I agree that he is guilty of robotic performances but same can be said for other male performer's e.g Eric Everhard's "speed fucking" style is annoying to watch and sometimes I wonder if there is a clock off screen that he is racing against. ___Eurobabes Rule!!!! [Link]

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Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 5:45PM

I'm kind of Burning out on Strong too.
It's not that he's a bad performer really.
He's just kind of repetitive, and lacks imagination.
The industry needs an influx of average nice guys for our sweet porno babes to fuck.

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MythMaker
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Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 6:19PM

Hey, I'm not saying anyone should hesitate to express an opinion, but some of the comments toward John Strong are pretty vitriolic. This forum is here to be just that, a forum for fans and the industry to dialogue. However, expressing an opinion, even a strong one (no pun intended), shouldn't degenerate into repetitive bashing of one performer. Etiquette says to respect the performers and not be antagonistic, this is for male performers as well as female. I'm not a moderator, obviously, and I love that people can use this as a medium to guide producers about what we like and want to see more of. I'd never diss someone for doing that. This is a good thread, but some of it is pretty negative, not necessarily constructive.

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leatherdick
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Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 11:15PM

There is nothing constructive to say about the neanderthal only destructive. I thought he couldn't annoy me anymore but then he got his blond highlights and fucked up BWT5. Anyway it's jobs for the boys and there have been previous threads about him and still he is cast, so I don't think this one will change anything. So join me in voting with your wallet and boycott future productions, those that want too. I know that I am.

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Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 11:26PM

LOL! That is the funniest statement I've read in a long time. The most memorable moment I have of Strong is in the BTS of Flesh Hunter 5. He basically commands Taylor Rain to suck his dick (I think after a standing CG position) and she gives a look of annoyance and just says "No" after which the other male performers were muffling laughter. The fact that Taylor Rain made him look stupid speaks volume of his personality.

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Posted - Nov 7 2007 : 11:33PM

He is a douche.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:30AM

I shot John Strong twice. For Steve Holmes' Perversions with Ariana Jollee and me and in Anal Cum Addicts with Kelly Wells and me. He makes the work of a director easy.
Some might call it robotic and dislike it, but technically John Strong is probably one of the best performers ever.
I don't say you should like him, but if you don't, just avoid his movies. There is so much product released every day that nobody can watch it anyway.
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MythMaker
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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 2:29AM

Even if John is in one scene of a video you'd otherwise get - why let that ruin it? Directors are giving 3-4 hours of content in titles that cost 20-30 max. That's 5-6 scenes at about 4-5$ each. Losing one isn't that big a hit - work around your aversion!
Oh, and Steve, just wanted to shout out and say how much I dig the way you engage women in scenes - lots of oral, rimming, and kissing before and throughout the scenes really make the connections resonate. Seeing you and Annette in Buttworx, I'd swear you both were in love! lol
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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 3:00AM

Take it from some one who used to work with him on the set and inside redlight: No one on earth thinks he is as good as he is but him. ego as big at the high sierras. He had talent both in front of the camera and behind it but no more. he is a pounder and that is it and really all he has going for him.

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christianx
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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 3:06AM

wow, this thread is nuts! first of all, you guys should avoid all mr. pete movies because of his lack of a competent crossover dribble and his left hand is also kind of suspect. plus he tends to penetrate too deep into the lane and gets stuck with no way through the trees. :)
john strong is one of the workhorses of our industry. he is always available, always ready to work, and very good at what he does. 80 percent of the directors want a guy who they never have to worry about completing the scene. he is one of the premier go to guys in our business. although i cant get totally behind him if roxy deville doesnt like him, because she is my goddess.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 4:52AM

And yet, so many fans are complaining about him. But I guess that doesn't matter. I'm so glad you're here to set us all straight Christian.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 6:51AM

I'll agree with you on your first point, Christian. John Strong is a reliable, dependable performer. That is to say, he has a reliable, dependable cock. That's admirable. He has a rare physical talent.
But I disagree with your second point. I don't think he's a good performer. I think his cock is a good porn performer. There's a bit of a difference. Reliable wood is important to a production, but to a viewer (and by that, I mean Me), that's not enough.
His job is to bring out the best in the girl he's performing with. He's supposed to show us all that she can really turn a guy on. He doesn't convey that. He seems bored. When he does express some emotion, he seems annoyed, or even angry.
This strikes me as odd because in some of the BTS I've watched, he seems like an okay guy. If I were to draw conclusions based on the couple dozen scenes I've viewed, I'd say he suffers from a severe case of machismo, bordering on stoicism. It seems he can't let his guard down. That might be cool if he were playing an aloof Dom, but in the role of "ordinary guy," it's a mistake. He makes the female talent look uninspiring, boring and inept.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 9:59AM

I agree that John Strong is a good performer even though I don't care for scenes that he is in. Back when RLD had Everhard, Steve Holmes, Manuel, Strong would actually carry the other guys though the scenes by always be the one fucking the majority of the time in one position during the DP scenes. He does seem to do his job but the girls it seems to me aren't that into him and he just doesn't draw enough heat in his scenes.

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WhiteBOY
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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:34AM

No no no no. To me, John Strong is NOT a good performer. I as a fan dig the fantasies of porn, sometimes dreaming of living the life of the male performers. When I see a person who lives this fantasy in real, getting paid to bang all the beautiful and crazy willing chicks, I do not see how this stonefaced, uncharismatic and über-"macho"(really: rather silly pretending motionless) ego-master, can make applaude.
Steve: even from a consumers point of view, sex and porn is actually a tad bit more than just technique. I just don't dig a technically gifted performer, if he still generates as much heat as a three day old fart in a jar. In many scenes, Strong don't even bring out feelings from his female counterparts. That does not look good.
Summa sumarum: I disagree that a good performer is a performer that brings no worry for the director. A good performer is a performer you can see enjoys doing his work, that just happens to be banging superhot babes for payment.

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leatherdick
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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:44AM

Intially when I read the above quote I was elated then I realised Steve mean't he had filmed him.
As I said before it's jobs for the boys and Steve is just looking out for his mucker, John, which is admirable in the face of such adversity.
Edited by - leatherdick on 11/8/2007 11:45:21 AM

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 12:40PM

Roxy DeVille is a goddess. I think that we can all agree on.
My point is that the industry doesn't really care if someone is "good" or "bad" in the eyes of the consumer, because the industry needs to get the scene done, and the performers who are most consistent and reliable are going to be the guys doing the scenes. I don't doubt that 70% of the male talent are kooks with bizarre personal issues, not unlike the girls, really, but since a guy in porn is mostly significant for keeping a hard cock and staying out of jail, whether or not a home viewer thinks Male Performer X is properly charismatic really doesn't count for shit.
Now, yeah, personally ... I like to see a scene w/guys like Ferrara or Steve Holmes here, because they can bring things out of certain girls that make a scene really amazing. But porn doesn't need to produce amazing. It just needs product. Which is too bad. But it's just like "Fast Food Nation" only it's not burgers it's pussy.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:03PM

skronker you are correct of course, but the only exception to that rule is something physical. if their cock is shaped weird and doesnt look right, or their legs are too massive and you cant see the girl, or something else physically that affects the way the director can shoot the girl. other than that you are right.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:46PM

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:49PM

I wish I wasn't, though ... I do think conscientious producers do their best to match performers, but the only sure thing is when the girls decide they won't work with someone. And yet, even the "No List" doesn't always work ...
Weird shaped cocks? Man, there are some definite weird ones out there ... hahaha.
I don't think I could possibly get out there and fuck a different girl every day on camera 6 days a week ... I actually think it's amazing any dude can be a porn performer and not appear jaded, cynical and bored after doing it for more than a year or two tops ...

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:52PM

I think the safest thing porn companies can do is not overload one movie with the same guy.
If a male star really annoys you but he's only in one or at most two scenes it's not going to stop you buying the movie.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 1:52PM

You heard me twice the first time ...
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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 4:19PM

I have never liked John Strong scenes. The girls are hot and he is a prolific fucker, but just boring to watch...bad stroke material. Maybe its just that his cock is small or that he is lacking balls. Hi fucking style is lame. He seems angry, self absorbed. I also don't like his trio, Manual or Erik or even Stefanno...are they related? Red faced viagra bones with sweat and something...who the fuck knows...lets boycot them!

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:00PM

As a performer he is good ..not too many out there that have the ability to go on staying hard like that.
He needs to lose the stupid attitude though. He ain't no real mob boss etc. This kind of bs is what makes people dislike mainly I think. These guys need to lose the stupid gangster or trying to make a girl feel low type talk.
I'm betting if they do they'll get alot more fans.

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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:03PM

MythMaker wrote:
Steve Holmes wrote:
I don't say you should like him, but if you don't, just avoid his movies. There is so much product released every day that nobody can watch it anyway.
Steve Holmes
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Even if John is in one scene of a video you'd otherwise get - why let that ruin it? Directors are giving 3-4 hours of content in titles that cost 20-30 max. That's 5-6 scenes at about 4-5$ each. Losing one isn't that big a hit - work around your aversion!
Oh, and Steve, just wanted to shout out and say how much I dig the way you engage women in scenes - lots of oral, rimming, and kissing before and throughout the scenes really make the connections resonate. Seeing you and Annette in Buttworx, I'd swear you both were in love! lol
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Posted - Nov 8 2007 : 11:09PM

He's working hard, I know I see his name as the "directed by" credit on a lot stuff out of RLD right now...maybe a movie every other week? At worst the movies are average and sometimes he puts out some really good ones.
Don't pay enough attention to him as a performer - like most of the guys I probably couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. Not that I would ever have to. I hope.

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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 2:53AM

Talon is another guy I cant stand. He looks like such a prick.

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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 11:54AM

well put, MythMaker. different strokes, etc.......
I've wondered about the seeming overabundance of the extreme stuff, which I find almost completely unappetizing. my guess is that the demeaning, brusque, overbearing stuff must indeed be meeting real demand, though perhaps not in the way we typically expect market forces to work. I've got to think that the typical consumer of this stuff is a guy who probably doesn't have/or hasn't had much real sexual interaction with women. that's not meant as a put down. they probably imagine themselves going whole-hog in precisely that way...........IF ever given the opportunity.
I think too, that while they likely make up a relatively small actual percentage of all adult video consumers, they're likely a disproportionately engaged and vociferous segment; to wit -- they know exactly what they like, they watch a LOT of it, and they are very opinionated about their preference.

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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 12:02PM

I've never enjoyed a scene with him, no matter how hot the girl. as a rule, it's absolutely joyless stuff as he dispenses with any real foreplay for her (has he ever licked a girl?) and rushes to the task of hammering away at warp-speed, relentlessly. there's nothing lamer than watching a none too attractive guy flail away at a beautiful girl, and the beautiful girl vainly, desperately pretending she's into it.

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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 12:33PM

Steve you need to stop trying to kiss all the girls sometimes in your scenes you can clearly see the girls are turning their heads or just disgusted and don't really want to kiss you! Do you ever ask them before the scene is shot or you just try the spur of the moment thing?
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I think of the Mia Rose scene in Slut Puppies 2. That's a good point, sometimes the sponteneity doesn't take into account the girl may not like to kiss. That's always an awkward thing to watch. When the two are into it, though, that's awesome. The BTS portion of Slut Puppies 2 shows Mia tongue fucked by Steve just to pass the time - I would say she was definitely into him!

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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 6:18PM

I have written here previously about how sick I am of Strong and all of the other few guys who have a stranglehold on male porn roles. Even if they're not as robotic as John "Zero Chemistry" Strong, they go through the same motions the same way every time (and that's daily). They give orders constantly and must be in control at all times, suck heat from scenes, and demean the legal girls who keep them from working at Walmart.
I search for films that avoid Strong, Mr. Pete (foot on the neck), Ashley (I do all the pumping), Lee (Ugh!) Stone, Michael (Mr. Narcissism) Stefano, Talon ("Yeah!") and a few others.
I wonder, though, whether it would increase profits for a director to find new male talent as is done with new female talent. Maybe the general porn public, especially those who aren't into it as much as we pornaholics at Adult DVD Talk, don't notice or don't care. Maybe many viewers just get off on seeing fucking and sucking....
I have found fine series that do not feature the above-mentioned gross males and present MUCH hotter sex. A few: Virgins of the Screen, First Time Auditions, The Girl Next Door, Just Turned 18 (directed by Chucky Sleaze).
Basically it seems that Los Angeles-based companies are grinding out so many films that no fresh concepts are present and all are going through the motions. It's time for other locations to give RLD and others a permanent vacation.
Sorry, White BOY, that I couldn't restrict myself to commenting about John Strong. He's the pits but is symptomatic of a larger problem.... When I've written about this previously, there were only a few responses and I decided that no one was interested. You've hit a nerve with the many responses to your post. Let's hope that it gains momentum and we see some improvements in this great medium of pleasure. One approach is for all of who agree with you to express ourselves via reviews where we rent or buy as often as possible.

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kristielove
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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 10:15PM

I think that this thread has been just mean and non-constructive bashing. I appreciate the fact that a lot of you seem to not like scenes with John Strong, that's your prerogative but even with viagra, the fact is it's very hard to find "reliable" male performers something that is a must, if the guy can't do the job, the scene is ruined. I can understand the wanting to see the passion angle, TRUST ME but as someone who spent the last 2 years booking movies and doing lighting/PA/BTS for (here goes the hatin') PXP & Red light the fact is there are VERY few guys who can keep it up and wait to cum or basically not ruin the pop shot after shooting the whole scene and taking the photos=wasting time and money(2 things people in porn treasure).
I hate to burst bubbles or ruin an illusion but the reality is a lot of times a porn set is the un-sexiest or since the opposite of hot is cold, most freezing place on earth. Once again sorry but a good majority of the female talent is not the "I just love sex and hey, if I get paid too, cool" type of girls like they claim in BTS. They just love the paycheck. Sorry ladies but it's true. (oohh here comes the backlash) Porn sets can be cold and businesslike and have an air of "we all wanna get the f outa here as quick as possible." Let's face it, all male talent love their job and guys can get jacked up over any naked girl on them but girls are VERY different. Enough said, don't wanna ruin anymore. I WILL tell you that I can think of several girls right now off the top of my head who've told me John Strong is they're favorite performer. Yea he pounds but many of us like that and appreciate that it's not the ole' pound pound pull out, pound pull out, stay out, stay out, pound pull out, etc. There is a lot to be said for continuous action.
Also, yes the porn machine cranks out A LOT of product. Trying to book 3 movies a month is HARD! (Then he's also working as talent 5-6 days a week). I mean for example, how many fresh new "Big Booty" girls can you find when all the directors in your building alone, have just shot THEIR "big booty" movies with the same "new" girls the same week!
Here's the reality, it's not like he's being booked all the time because directors love him and are ignoring all these other guys out there. There's a reason that while it doesn't sound good, reliable is gold. Having the girl, the location, the photographer sitting around while some poor guy is yanking on his dick till he's about to pass out and/or rub 5 layers of skin off is a nightmare. Or, worst is shooting the scene, doing photos and then oops, the pop shot is ruined!
I know, it's not "sexy" or "hot" but it's a reality. Everybody wants hot scenes but you want to be confident you'll be able to shoot and finish the scene too! Having booked and worked with and for John many many times, I KNOW I can speak for him when I say, he isn't "bored" or "annoyed" like some of you say, he LOVES his job and he LOVES fucking hot girls but this job isn't as easy as it sounds. If you wanna talk detached, well, I won't go into how many of the girls act on set but I've wondered how guys can stay hard many times...many times. Sooo, all you "monday morning quarterbacks," it's easy to talk when you're dick's not one in the spotlight. Also, I dunno what your all talking about having spent much of the past 2 years in it's presence, his dick isn't small, I'd say it's comparatively above average. Lotsa love...

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phatasslover
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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 10:37PM

Kristie,
Sorry but I dont buy it. There are literally millions of guys who would love to do porn. You are saying you cant find a freakin guy out of them who can stay hard and cum when needed?
And maybe his cock isnt small..its average at best. This is porn, that isnt good enough. Average cocks should not be allowed. We want to see big dicks fucking these women...

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dvd4dvd
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6/07

Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 11:34PM

I just finished watching "Obscene Behavior #2"
I believe it was either directed by John Strong or he was simply in it.
Let me tell ya. one of the hottest f'ing videos I have ever seen.
my cock is still rock hard.
and If I misplace spell any words, it was probably from the extra hand that is still standing at attention and rock hard!
Great Job John Strong!!!
Congrats!

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kristielove
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All is fair in love and porn
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Posted - Nov 9 2007 : 11:55PM

I don't know but ya have to ask, why is the male talent pool is so small? When I first started booking I wanted to find other guys cuz i'd just spent a year watching the same 3-4 guys and while I love them, I wanted variety too but between the girl's opinions (I polled a lot of them re: good and bad guys) it was iffy and too expensive for me to mess around with. When the location costs almost as much as the male talent and they take forever, the money man gets mad! But as for me, I had to contend with a bunch of other things cuz I wanted to try other guys. So, I'm just sayin' the guy could literally work 2 scenes a day every day (& practically does)so there must be a good reason because there are a lot of guys much cheaper than Johnny.
I hear ya about wanting a big juicy fat cock (excuse the embellishment! hee hee) but so many of these literally "little girls" can't take the big dicks. I've seen so many of them not even be able to take John's dick and he would even say, "if you can't take this one, how are you gonna do porn?" I loved this one line he always said, "it's just a dick, it's never killed anyone yet." Then again, it doesn't help when the big dick guys are stupid and shove their cocks in w/out lube (so many guys think that girls get all naturally wet from giving a 5 minute bj...hello?) and wind up causing major damage that they probably don't even know about. There's a lot of tearing that goes on to these poor girls and then they loose work for a while (at the very least).

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dvd4dvd
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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 12:21AM

I have to agree with the last commentator..
there seems to be a big time difference in ratio ..
from hot hot babes...and a small pool of guys. and trust me..none of these guys will you ever find in Playgirl or in a Stud's Magazine.
why are all the Hottest Studs Strippers and Dancing at the JetStrip in Hawthorne, California, or in Las Vegas..and they are not participating in the Many Avenues of Porn Flicks???

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kristielove
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All is fair in love and porn
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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 12:53AM

I think those dudes are gay

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Joel
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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:54AM

To make money in Porn as a man, you need to get to the top. You typically need to start from the bottom, getting paid fuckall for doing skanky gang bang flicks rubbing your nutsack against some other dudes sack, or rubbing nob ends if it's DP.
What self respecting man wants to do that?
You only get well paid if you get into directing and producing.

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Pagoda
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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 3:41AM

Kristie,
I'm the one that made the comment that John Strong seems annoyed in some of his scenes. I said "seems." He may not actually be annoyed, but he looks that way, and his tone of voice makes him sound that way. I'm a viewer, not a performer. Your perspective is valuable. I'm glad you posted.
I can understand the appeal of reliable wood. I imagine if I were a performer, I wouldn't want a scene to drag out a couple extra hours while the guy gets his act together. And I'd certainly appreciate a guy that's professional and comes to work on time, and doesn't give me any hassles. Those are great attributes for a male performer to have, and I understand why he's so prolific.
What I don't understand is why his love of sex, of women, and of porn doesn't translate through the screen. It just doesn't come across.
I'll go on the record stating that I'm very interested in giving John Strong another chance. If anybody can list some movies in which he has sizzling heat with a female performer, I'll watch them. Maybe I gave up on him too quickly and missed all his hot scenes.
Then after I've seen some stuff of his that I like, I can post back here with some constructive criticism, like "Hey John, do more of that next time."

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007
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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 4:59AM

Are you the Kristie Love of Deep Cheeks 7 and Balls Deep 3 fame?

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Steve Holmes
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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 5:16AM

Kissing is essential for me. Some girls have this "you can fuck me, but I only kiss my boyfriend" attitute. Than I refuse to work with her. I would even leave a started set and everybody exept the location owner and the make-up artist looses their pay. Including me.
Steve Holmes

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RandomPrecision
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Enjoy!
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Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 6:43AM

OK. I haven't seen as many John Strong scenes as many of his detractors apparently have but I find some of these statements just a little puzzling.
I have not noticed any tendency for John to be any rougher than the rest of the male talent in a given movie. I haven't really ever seen him "hammer away" Everhard style on a girl. Hell, if there's a criticism I have about John Strong, it's that sometimes he isn't rough enough when the girl clearly wants it (and I mean REALLY wants it and isn't just acting) and even asks for it.
He does do the forced deepthroat thing as most male talent does but he's not nearly as rough as he could be. Like some of the other top male talent, he seems to know when a girl isn't really into the rough stuff and doesn't push too hard (this is from the scenes I've seen).
About his cock being small. It's about the same size as mine (maybe a little shorter). I don't really care if the male performer has a monster dick or not (although there are times when that's what I'm looking for). You can complain about John all day long but in order to do so, you're ignoring probably 20 guys who have ten inchers who couldn't get hard to save their lives. Whatever the guy does, he needs to be hard. The biggest wood killer in the world for me is to see a limp dick hanging there or it's owner trying to fuck with it. I would say John's dick is about 6" (although it's hard to really tell). That's perfectly fine, I think. I've never seen a scene of his in which he wasn't able to perform because his cock wasn't even hard enough to penetrate.
If you want to complain about dicks, complain about the ones that are never even hard. No amount of chemistry can make up for that.
And then we have the dicks that are large and semi erect but are very oddly shaped. To the point to where it's a major distraction. Now in reality, I have nothing against guys with curved cocks that curl around to the right or the left and downward or whatever. But porn is different. At least John's cock is relatively well formed.
Now finally - Lack of excitement. Well, this is the only area where his detractors might sort of have a point. But I don't find that he overacts much, either. There are a bunch of guys who overact in porn. I don't see the Everhard comparison. I do think he could be a better performer but he's far, far from the worst. Which is probably why you see so much of him.
And for the poster who said that for some guys, it must be all about the male performer, this is true. And to my mind, perfectly natural. Since the male performer is my surrogate in the scene. By your own admission, the male talent makes or breaks the scene. If John isn't the kind of guy you want to see, find something else. It's not really that hard to avoid him. Check out some Euro porn. If you're into American porn, you see him a lot because he's one of the few who doesn't have multiple performance issues.
Edited by - randomprecision on 11/10/2007 6:44:12 AM

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leatherdick
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In the Court of the Crimson King
263 Posts
5/07

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 8:01AM

Steve you don't need to explain yourself, man your one of the best performers since Harry Reems first diagnosed Linda with her throat problem. First time I saw you was fucking Monique Covet in the opening scene of Erica for Private, great scene.

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WhiteBOY
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305 Posts
11/06

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 9:17AM

Ok, I hear ya, but let me suggest that you find a new way to work the angles, a more rlaxed and not so "freezing cold" porn set, so that the new guys have a chance, and that other guys, with non-sociopaths issues, can have a chance. Better time and atmosphere and trust, perhaps? But as a typical "monday morning quarterback", I am perhaps way out of my league here...

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WhiteBOY
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305 Posts
11/06

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 9:23AM

Nothing to say "sorry" for, I think you have many good points here, and your thoughts are just as important amdnvalued as mine. I think we should grab the opportunity with this excellent forum to tell HOW we want or wish porn to be or become. If not, we as the consumers must accept just taking all the average and below-average shit that overflows the market. We have actually the right and power to boycott all the shit. I have tons of bad porn, bought uncritically. How happy I am for my little section of my entire collection that really is hot. It is these dvd's I constantly return too, and that actually is valuable to me. As a regular and critical consumer, I want the right to say my opinion to the industry of whom I have a love/hate relationship to, and also encourage other adultdvdtalk'ers that agree with me to boycott certain products, and even companies.
mod note: fixed quotes, and sorry, the spelling too.
Edited by - heynow on 11/10/2007 11:41:09 AM

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Cumwhipper
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4050 Posts
3/04

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 9:35AM

Very entertaining thread, echoing many of my own sentiments of the past few years.
Mostly, I find JS robotic and boring. He's in so many scenes, that I've mostly just burned out on him. To his credit, he has laid down a few very hot scenes, but I can't tell you how many movies I've avoided renting because of John being the director. If there are scenes with newer girls that I'm on the lookout for, I'll often avoid those scenes if they're with John. There are exceptions, like "Cum Coat My Throat", but those are few and far between.
What really drives me crazy though, is the constant "Baby, baby" talk, the never-ending "No hands, baby" during the oral portions of his scenes, the color-by-numbers, mechanical, this-position-then-this-position approach that seems to permeate every one of his scenes.
People questioning why others are complaining about JS's smaller cock have got to realize that most porn consumers want to see big (black or otherwise!) dicks in little chix as a general rule. Visually, it's just a lot hotter than an average or smaller cock. Big, attractive cocks can make an average scene better. Manuel Ferrara can bring out a great performance from lots of the women in porn, but I can't stand looking at that uncut monster - to me, it's just not very appealing, and let's face it, the cock spends as much time in frame as any other body parts.

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MythMaker
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Jada... the best thing in porn
919 Posts
7/07

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 12:38PM

No doubt! Steve is an amazing performer that really lends to the way I envision fucking in a fantasy scenario. He was hilarious in the scene done recently with Aline in Anal Cavity Search 3 - "This is how I like to enjoy my champagne". Classic!

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WhiteBOY
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305 Posts
11/06

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 1:58PM

I kind of think Steve Holmes was much better performer before he left our beloved Europe, in advantage of the USA. Just listen to Michelle Wild in Private's "Private life of Michelle Wild", where she claims he altered personality and style. Anyways, Steve Holmes is 10.000 times better than JS.

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jjames
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231 Posts
3/04

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:06PM

I really couldn't give a toss about what a great professional and technical performer John Strong is ... that is not the consumers worry that is the producer/director's problem. We the consumers are only interested in the end product (and not how easy or difficult it was to put the scenes together). Safe to say that if I see his name on the back cover of any RLD/Plat X release I will not be purchasing that particular film no matter how good it looks.
I wonder if RLD really give a care about their once loyal fanbase though as they only seem intent on churning out one generic film after another. I would be interested to see how much RLD/Plat X have lost putting Strong in just about every other scene they shoot.

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leatherdick
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In the Court of the Crimson King
263 Posts
5/07

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:50PM

This guy Manuel has always been hit or miss for me. I haven't seen the trailer yet but I am hopimg that he brings the best out in Jenny Hendrix. I will know from the trailer.
Edited by - leatherdick on 11/10/2007 11:00:10 PM

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leatherdick
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In the Court of the Crimson King
263 Posts
5/07

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 2:54PM

Your on my wavelength and a perceptive porn viewer. I agree 100% with this statement. Steve was a passionate guy in Europe.
Edited by - leatherdick on 11/10/2007 2:55:24 PM
Edited by - leatherdick on 11/10/2007 10:56:07 PM

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flying_postman
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Europena Fanboy
162 Posts
5/07

Posted - Nov 10 2007 : 7:25PM

That good Steve and I totally agree. Kissing really brings more heat to a scene and I wish to see more of this from more performers.
Regarding the whole John Strong issue, he was a good performer when RedLight was at it's peak a few years ago but but now I can't say the same. I agree that he is guilty of robotic performances but same can be said for other male performer's e.g Eric Everhard's "speed fucking" style is annoying to watch and sometimes I wonder if there is a clock off screen that he is racing against.
___Eurobabes Rule!!!!

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