Jules Jordan's Blu-Rays Edited Down

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Jaysilver Member 15 Posts 12/05	Posted - Feb 28 2010 : 3:50PM In both Blu-ray versions of "Breast Worship 2" & "Ass Worship 9", the movies were edited down to around 3 hours & 11 minutes. I had seen the original dvds, they are over 4 hours each. I thought I was getting a higher quality product by buying the Blu-ray version. Instead, I felt like I was getting some compilations disc filled with edited down scenes. If the original movie contents are not kept intact, there's really no incentive of buying the Blu-ray version. [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Feb 28 2010 : 4:01PM in order to get two discs worth of a movie(4 to 5 hrs) onto blu ray we had to edit some of the scenes down, what was missing that you were looking for? Blu Ray is still better quality video, and we didnt want to sacrifice the video quality.... thanks, Jules [Link]
Hands Free Deactivated User 6 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 12:50PM Shame on Jules Jordan and JJV, that is not only really horrible business practices but generally gives Adult Blu-ray a bad reputation for everyone. Jules, the answer to your question is to release movies on 2 discs, if you can't fit it on one. If you can't justify the cost of 2-discs and the movie is too long for a single disc, don't release the title on Blu-ray. Save the scenes for an obvious compilation exclusively for Blu-ray, or something. But to release with the same exact cover art as the DVD and call it the same movie when there is LESS content? Damn, that's just good way to lose loyal customers. Thanks for the tip, OP, I'll be staying far away from JJV on Blu-ray until I know for a fact that this is no longer their M.O. Edited by - Hands Free on 4/24/2010 12:55:27 PM [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 1:19PM thanks for signing up today and going back into the archives to voice your opinion "handsfree", your post is very suspect.....I think more deceiving would be to put out a blu ray movie and have horrible quality, It was our decision that editing out 5 minutes per scene, (most scenes are 35-40 minutes, which would barely be noticiable) was the thing to do. Right now there are not many gonzo companies releasing blu ray, but we are....So I guess you have options, we are currently looking into doing blu ray double discs. Handsfree, what was missing from my blu rays that you were looking for? [Link]
Hands Free Deactivated User 6 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 1:35PM julesjordanvideo wrote: Handsfree, what was missing from my blu rays that you were looking for? Click to expand Other than the original cut of the movie, absolutely nothing. As far as being "suspect," I simply conducted a search on Blu-ray and responded. Sorry to throw your conspiracy theories out of the water. Edited by - Hands Free on 4/24/2010 1:36:59 PM [Link]

Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 1:55PM Hands Free may or may not be jaysilver however today is not his/her first day as hands free is a multiple time deactivated member. [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 2:43PM handsfree, I meant what blu rays have you seen of mine, and what was cut out that you were looking for? In my opinion its hardly noticable.... [Link]
iainn Member 234 Posts 9/09	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 3:23PM I have no problem with cutting a couple of minutes of each scene,i recently bought slut puppies 3 on blu ray and thought it was great.I would however like to see different information on the cover,saying there is 60 minutes of BTS when there is no BTS is misleading. Keep releasing on blu ray though its way better than dvd. [Link]
OtisSpunkmeyer New Member 3 Posts 7/09	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 4:26PM Hello, this is my first post, guess that makes me automatically wrong. I purchased the Ass Worship 9 Bluray and it was missing the Naomi bonus scene and all bonus features except a photo slideshow. That is pretty weak and I have high standards for JJV since in my opinion he is the best director working. Editing down scenes and with all the bonus features missing is pretty noticeable and not a single mention of it not even in fine print. Jules is an amazing director with awesome product but that doesn't mean he is above us and can do no wrong. I also posted this on the JJV forums some months ago and got a reply from another poster that I should just be happy with it! Edited by - OtisSpunkmeyer on 4/24/2010 4:27:31 PM [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 4:29PM I thought Blu-Ray discs were supposed to have much, much bigger capacity than regular DVDs - how is it possible that a double-disc DVD can't fit onto one? (This is a question, not an argument.) [Link]
grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 5:10PM Capacity comparison: Single layer DVD has a capacity of 4.7 gb, whereas a single layer Blu-ray Disc has a capacity of 25 gb. Cost comparison: Single layer DVD - Memorex 16X 4.7GB DVD-R Spindle - 100 Pack - $ 35.99 CDN + tax (for 100 discs) Blu-ray Disc - Memorex 5-Pack 2X 25GB Blu-ray (BD-R) - $ 39.99 CDN + tax (for 5 discs) * costs are retail prices (Best Buy) If a movie is over 25 gbs, 2 BD are required. Therefore, shorten the length of the movie so that it can fit onto 1 disc. Quality is improved (maintained) but unfortunately, scenes have to edited. If not, a price of a movie on BD will double! And unfortunately, the consumer will have to pay for the extra BD! Simple economics! Edited by - grover on 4/24/2010 5:15:18 PM [Link]
adultporn Member 29 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 6:25PM Digital Playground has release over 200 Blu-ray titles, and Jules Jordan has release over 28 Blu-ray titles. Is Jules Jordan going to release all of their videos on Blu-ray & DVD from now on like how Digital Playground is releasing all of their titles on Blu-ray & DVD? [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 8:44PM Hands Free wrote: Shame on Jules Jordan and JJV, that is not only really horrible business practices but generally gives Adult Blu-ray a bad reputation for everyone. Jules, the answer to your question is to release movies on 2 discs, if you can't fit it on one. If you can't justify the cost of 2-discs and the movie is too long for a single disc, don't release the title on Blu-ray. Save the scenes for an obvious compilation exclusively for Blu-ray, or something. But to release with the same exact cover art as the DVD and call it the same movie when there is LESS content? Damn, that's just good way to lose loyal customers. Thanks for the tip, OP, I'll be staying far away from JJV on Blu-ray until I know for a fact that this is no longer their M.O. Edited by - Hands Free on 4/24/2010 12:55:27 PM Click to expand Sorry to say, but I kinda agree to all of it. I rather buy a regular DVD including the "unnoticeable" missing minutes instead of a blue ray disc/artwork therof that lets you think that your buying the exact same movie. To me its like watching an evil angel rocco movie and then finding out there is an euro version somewhere with extra minutes and/or scenes. There should be a sticker on the box imo declaring the incompleteness (compared with the standard dvd). You know, to me a minute can make all the difference in a movie: e.g. a particular comment a girl makes after she came, or a position that I particularly like...if they got edited out in the blue ray i would be rather bummed. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 8:51PM Personally, I think comparatively shorter scenes that are more tightly edited, make for far hotter outcomes. My mind begins wandering past the 25-30 minute mark. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 9:14PM grover wrote: Capacity comparison: Single layer DVD has a capacity of 4.7 gb, whereas a single layer Blu-ray Disc has a capacity of 25 gb. Cost comparison: Single layer DVD - Memorex 16X 4.7GB DVD-R Spindle - 100 Pack - $ 35.99 CDN + tax (for 100 discs) Blu-ray Disc - Memorex 5-Pack 2X 25GB Blu-ray (BD-R) - $ 39.99 CDN + tax (for 5 discs) * costs are retail prices (Best Buy) If a movie is over 25 gbs, 2 BD are required. Therefore, shorten the length of the movie so that it can fit onto 1 disc. Quality is improved (maintained) but unfortunately, scenes have to edited. If not, a price of a movie on BD will double! And unfortunately, the consumer will have to pay for the extra BD! Simple economics! Click to expand I'm still new to the whole Blu-ray thing but I thought with Blu-ray we were going to get extra content because of the capacity not less. I was under the impression that the Blu-ray discs were able to old 4 to 6 movies on a single disc. I know that the Blu-ray movies take more GBs but I thought they'd still have plenty of space to spare. [Link]

grover All-Star Member Literotica.com - grover10 16888 Posts 11/04	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 10:03PM ^ It's based on the resolution of the picture. The higher the resolution of the picture, the more memory it consumes. Video works the same way! Wiki - Image Resolution Edited by - grover on 4/24/2010 10:04:32 PM Edited by - grover on 4/24/2010 10:05:05 PM [Link]
adultporn Member 29 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 10:48PM For 2 hour movie. DVD 72 hex 480 = 0.345600 Megapixels Mpeg2 6 Mbit/sec DVD 8 Gb disc DVD X 6 = Blu-ray resolution megapixel requires 48 Gb disc Blu-ray 192 hex 1080 = 2.2073600 Megapixel Mpeg2 36 Mbit/sec 48 Gb disc or mpeg4 24 Mbit/sec All adult blu-ray comes on single layer BD25 25 Gb disc. Double layer BD50 50 Gb disc are too expensive which are used by Hollywood studios. Thus, blu-ray has 6 times the megapixel resolution, so blu-ray requires 6 times the disc space, but advancement in new compression Mpeg4 technology, can save up to 40% disc space compare to mpeg2 compression. Increase the length of the movie by alot, will degrade the picture quality, which is why Jules decided to edit out the footage; however, 2 blu-ray BD25 disc or 1 blu-ray BD50 disc would have been better, but the cost will be more. Blu-ray discs have more disk space compare to DVD disc, 25 or 50 Gb vs 4 or 8 Gb, but do you really want 1000 hours of youtube quality or 2 hours of high resolution quality? Double layer DVD 8 Gb disc $0.75 Single layer Blu-ray 25 Gb disc $3.00 ($2.00 is the cheapest that I have found) Double layer Blu-ray 50 Gb disc $7.00 (too expensive for burning, better to use a hard drive) Besides blu-ray disc cost, Jules would have to pay more money for blu-ray licensing, blu-ray disc protection, etc which is why I vote to allow internet download blu-ray iso that way I can burn my own blu-ray or put on hard drive. Edited by - adultporn on 4/24/2010 11:12:08 PM [Link]
qz3fwd Member 141 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 11:33PM adultporn wrote: For 2 hour movie. DVD 72 hex 480 = 0.345600 Megapixels Mpeg2 6 Mbit/sec DVD 8 Gb disc DVD X 6 = Blu-ray resolution megapixel requires 48 Gb disc Blu-ray 192 hex 1080 = 2.2073600 Megapixel Mpeg2 36 Mbit/sec 48 Gb disc or mpeg4 24 Mbit/sec All adult blu-ray comes on single layer BD25 25 Gb disc. Double layer BD50 50 Gb disc are too expensive which are used by Hollywood studios. Thus, blu-ray has 6 times the megapixel resolution, so blu-ray requires 6 times the disc space, but advancement in new compression Mpeg4 technology, can save up to 40% disc space compare to mpeg2 compression. Increase the length of the movie by alot, will degrade the picture quality, which is why Jules decided to edit out the footage; however, 2 blu-ray BD25 disc or 1 blu-ray BD50 disc would have been better, but the cost will be more. Blu-ray discs have more disk space compare to DVD disc, 25 or 50 Gb vs 4 or 8 Gb, but do you really want 1000 hours of youtube quality or 2 hours of high resolution quality? Double layer DVD 8 Gb disc $0.75 Single layer Blu-ray 25 Gb disc $3.00 ($2.00 is the cheapest that I have found) Double layer Blu-ray 50 Gb disc $7.00 (too expensive for burning, better to use a hard drive) Besides blu-ray disc cost, Jules would have to pay more money for blu-ray licensing, blu-ray disc protection, etc which is why I vote to allow internet download blu-ray iso that way I can burn my own blu-ray or put on hard drive. Edited by - adultporn on 4/24/2010 11:12:08 PM Click to expand If they are using single layer 25GB burnable discs for their BD releases, and using Mpeg2 encoders, and editing out content, and selling them for a premium much more that a Hollywood DVD->BD premium, no thanks. They need to pony up and press dual layer 50GB retail discs. Otherwise I will not pay the premium. Do it properly or not at all. That is my position. Thank you. [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 1:46AM Otis, Its one thing to be constructive criticism, and its another to go for the jugular like the previous poster did ;-)....anyway, it is certainly not our intention to deceive consumers, the artwork had slipped by with the SD version artwork....Ass Worship 9 was done long ago, and we were dealing with the variables at the time, up until recently they didnt even make blu ray cases that could hold 2 discs .I agree it sucks to take the bonus features out, but it allowed us to keep more of the movie intact....in the past the discs have been very expensive as was the authoring, so there are other costs involved when doing 2 disc blu rays....is anyone aware of other companies doing 2 disc blu ray sets????....curious....I think our blu ray discs are great the way they are...we were very cautious of what was taken out of the scenes.... out of curiosity what studios do you guys buy blu rays from regularly? we are trying to get closer to day and date releases....I like the fact that we are one of few companies still doing blu rays, and we plan on keep continuing... [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:07AM ^ I liked Ass Worship 9 on bluray, fwiw. [Link]
Prophit Member 378 Posts 1/07	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:52AM julesjordanvideo wrote: up until recently they didnt even make blu ray cases that could hold 2 discs ....is anyone aware of other companies doing 2 disc blu ray sets????....curious.... Click to expand Both Girlvana 3 & 4 by Zero Tolerance have 2 Discs in a 2-Disc case and they were released back at the beginning of 08. I think releasing Blu-rays the way you do it is better than releasing none at all though. I wish other studios would still put out BDs. Edited by - Prophit on 4/25/2010 3:15:35 AM [Link]
OtisSpunkmeyer New Member 3 Posts 7/09	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 3:44AM JJV, it sounds like you want to do whats best for your customers and your product, it just happens that I like the BTS stuff. I'm sure I'll be buying your blurays in the future. Ass Worship 9 is one of my favorite movies of all time, btw. [Link]
sanchez_1960 Member 582 Posts 2/03	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 4:16AM I've just read this and I'm furious. If you can't fit the DVD content on a Blu-ray and are not willing to do a 2-disc version then DO NOT release the Blu-ray at all! [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 4:18AM Dubious_Leftovers wrote: Personally, I think comparatively shorter scenes that are more tightly edited, make for far hotter outcomes. My mind begins wandering past the 25-30 minute mark. Click to expand +1 JJ's flicks could benefit from tighter editing anyway, shorter scenes would actually be an improvement imo. Just don't cut the tease intros! Is Ass Worship 11 on BD? I'd be all over that. Edited by - BlackSix on 4/25/2010 4:20:53 AM [Link]
Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 5:08AM julesjordanvideo wrote: It was our decision that editing out 5 minutes per scene, (most scenes are 35-40 minutes, which would barely be noticiable) Click to expand As long as those five minutes don't come from the blowjob or load parts of the scene. I say chop away. [Link]

Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 5:35AM Personally, this sounds to me like an argument about nothing. JJV had a business decision to make and so they cut a few minutes off of each scene. BFD. Their scenes are too long anyway. The long term answer, to keep everyone happy, is to just edit the scenes down to a length that will fit on both formats. That way no one has anything to complain about. [Link]
stef de bef Member 262 Posts 2/09	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 6:02AM I hope not that the blu-ray of lex the impaler 4 is cut. I have order this blu-ray and i have also the dvd. I want to sell the dvd. [Link]
ADT44 Member 876 Posts 7/09	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 7:48AM julesjordanvideo wrote: out of curiosity what studios do you guys buy blu rays from regularly? we are trying to get closer to day and date releases....I like the fact that we are one of few companies still doing blu rays, and we plan on keep continuing... Click to expand justin slayer/josh stone, baby! [Link]
iainn Member 234 Posts 9/09	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 9:23AM julesjordanvideo wrote: out of curiosity what studios do you guys buy blu rays from regularly? we are trying to get closer to day and date releases....I like the fact that we are one of few companies still doing blu rays, and we plan on keep continuing... Click to expand I buy alot from Elegant Angel,they've had 2 disc releases,performers of the year 2009 and 2010 also big wet asses 15 [Link]
stef de bef Member 262 Posts 2/09	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 11:31AM I buy alot from Elegant Angel,they've had 2 disc releases,performers of the year 2009 and 2010 also big wet asses 15 [/quote] I have also Alexis Texas Buttwoman om blu-ray 2 disk. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 11:58AM Porn Scout wrote: The long term answer, to keep everyone happy, is to just edit the scenes down to a length that will fit on both formats. That way no one has anything to complain about. Click to expand This sounds like the best idea. That way people wouldn't feel like they're getting shorted with one format over the other. For me personally, I'm a long way away fom buying Blu-ray porn. I have a Blu-Ray player and just don't think the extra cost of the discs are worth it at this point. I know many people rave about the picture quality but I'm just as content watching standard DVD quality. In fact in some cases I prefer the standard DVD picture. Add to that I'm enjoying the low prices of standard DVDs in mainstream and the porn biz. I'm sure Blu-ray will one day be the standard but I'm in no particular hurry to get there. [Link]
adultporn Member 29 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:17PM julesjordanvideo wrote: Otis, Its one thing to be constructive criticism, and its another to go for the jugular like the previous poster did ;-)....anyway, it is certainly not our intention to deceive consumers, the artwork had slipped by with the SD version artwork....Ass Worship 9 was done long ago, and we were dealing with the variables at the time, up until recently they didnt even make blu ray cases that could hold 2 discs .I agree it sucks to take the bonus features out, but it allowed us to keep more of the movie intact....in the past the discs have been very expensive as was the authoring, so there are other costs involved when doing 2 disc blu rays....is anyone aware of other companies doing 2 disc blu ray sets????....curious....I think our blu ray discs are great the way they are...we were very cautious of what was taken out of the scenes.... out of curiosity what studios do you guys buy blu rays from regularly? we are trying to get closer to day and date releases....I like the fact that we are one of few companies still doing blu rays, and we plan on keep continuing... Click to expand Hi Jules, According to AdultDVDempire.com, currently, out of 611 adult blu-ray titles, Digital Playground, Hustler, Elegant Angel, and Jules Jordan have release over 203, 64, 28, and 10, respectively adult blu-ray titles, so I would guess majority of the people who want to view blu-ray titles will chose Digital Playground or Hustler adult blu-ray because there are very few adult studios who release titles in blu-ray format. My last blu-ray titles that I have view were Digital Playground All Star 2, Digital Playground All Star Big Boobs, & Digital Playground All Star Milfs because these were the only adult blu-ray titles that feature European women. Each blu-ray titles can be purchase for about $22.00 on adultdvdmarketplace. On average the blu-ray titles cost about $7.00 more compare to adult DVD titles. At my local adult bookstore, I can rent the adult blu-ray and adult DVD at the same price, so of course, I chose blu-ray. Will you release some of Raul Cristian's titles like Prime Cups or All Internal on blu-ray? Maybe, this can help make cheaper blu-ray titles. First Free Software Blu-ray Encoder The x264 project has released an entirely free Blu-ray encoder. It even comes with a torrent containing free content for you to view just incase you didn’t believe them ;) With x264’s powerful compression, as demonstrated by the incredibly popular BD-Rebuilder Blu-ray backup software, it’s quite possible to author Blu-ray disks on DVD9s (dual-layer DVDs) or even DVD5s (single-layer DVDs) with a reasonable level of quality. With a free software encoder and less need for an expensive Blu-ray burner, we are one step closer to putting HD optical media creation in the hands of the everyday user. http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=328 Edited by - adultporn on 4/26/2010 8:19:36 AM [Link]
tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 3:02PM What I think you should be absolutely sure to do in the future is to be 100% sure to put the running time on the BOX COVER. I checked the Blu-Ray cover for Ass Worship 9 and it's not there. Of course people are going to feel deceived! I'm the same way with Hands Free. If I pay for a Blu-Ray version, I expect the same running time as the DVD. I would almost always check the box cover first to see a running time. This way I could know beforehand and then choose to buy it! If Jules Jordan had posted the running time properly on the box cover of the Blu-Ray movies, nobody has the right to complain. Even on the official webpage, the running time of "Ass Worship 9" is listed as 4 hours?! Maybe they need to fix the box cover. So it's not 4 hours, but 3 hours and 11 minutes? Sounds kind of wrong to list a movie as 4 hours when it's only a little over 3 hours. Perhaps it's a typo. I don't buy Blu-Ray porn, but If I had bought one and it was cut, i'd be very mad and expect a refund. This is assuming the producer did not make the customer aware of the running time on a cover. I imagine no "tease" scenes are cut. I sure hope not. If so, that's just wrong! I'm a weird and like the tease scenes more then the actual sex scenes sometimes. [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 6:07PM ^ I agree, the tease segment is the only part which I view 100%. Many times, I watch a tease segment two or three times. [Link]
Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 8:28PM I really don't see why anyone is whining about a 40 minute scene being edited down by 5 minutes. Hell, 35 minutes for a standard scene is way too long. IMHO, anything past 20 minutes is filler. 2 minutes interview. 2 minutes tease 4 minutes blowjob 4 minutes mish in various angles 4 minutes CG 4 minutes RCG 2 minutes of popshot and PCH If an anal scene, add 5 minutes. Total scene length 22-27 minutes. [Link]

torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 9:18PM Johnothan Pedak wrote: julesjordanvideo wrote: It was our decision that editing out 5 minutes per scene, (most scenes are 35-40 minutes, which would barely be noticiable) Click to expand As long as those five minutes don't come from the blowjob or load parts of the scene. I say chop away. Click to expand a2m and another "circus like" footage should not be trimmed to fit Blu-Ray [Link]
tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 2:38AM Rosco Fuji wrote: I really don't see why anyone is whining about a 40 minute scene being edited down by 5 minutes. Hell, 35 minutes for a standard scene is way too long. IMHO, anything past 20 minutes is filler. Click to expand We are only whining when we are not told beforehand what we are getting. Nothing on the cover tells the customer that scenes were cut. There is no running time listed, that's all we would need. If most people knew beforehand what they were getting (running time on box cover), they could choose to buy it or skip it. [Link]
Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 4:22AM Dubious_Leftovers wrote: Personally, I think comparatively shorter scenes that are more tightly edited, make for far hotter outcomes. My mind begins wandering past the 25-30 minute mark. Click to expand Totally agree on this!Only exception is gangbangs, orgys and scenes with really intense foreplay situations like inthevip and vipcrew! [Link]
presto_nl Member 103 Posts 3/09	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 7:14AM When you buy a mainstream Hollywood movie on blu ray you may expect that the feature film is as long as on the DVD. When you purchase a porn movie from a high quality porn production company as Jules Jordan Video you expect the same. In my opinion Jules Jordan Video should state on the cover that the Blu Ray version is slightly edited. [Link]
bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 7:30AM If 5 minutes are to be edited from a scene, among customers, total disagreement exists in determining what should be cut. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 2:01PM Best thing seems to just edit the scenes tighter to begin with then no one will have anything to disagree about being cut. [Link]
Girl Deactivated User Porn is School 18 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 2:38PM BlackSix wrote: Best thing seems to just edit the scenes tighter to begin with then no one will have anything to disagree about being cut. Click to expand That makes sense, especially since Jules himself says the stuff he cuts out for the Blu-ray isn't missed. Just make the DVD shorter in the future, so it will fit on a BD. Of course, this doesn't help with catalog releases, which should still be released as 2-Disc or not at all. Begs the question, if this cut footage is so worthless, why would Jules include it on the original DVD? [Link]
torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 4:31PM tmd5 wrote: What I think you should be absolutely sure to do in the future is to be 100% sure to put the running time on the BOX COVER. I checked the Blu-Ray cover for Ass Worship 9 and it's not there. Of course people are going to feel deceived! I'm the same way with Hands Free. If I pay for a Blu-Ray version, I expect the same running time as the DVD. I would almost always check the box cover first to see a running time. This way I could know beforehand and then choose to buy it! Click to expand From a consumer point of view I don't see how touting the benefits of the better picture quality of Blu-Ray while cutting any of the content is going to do anything but create confusion and hesitation to the potential buyer. Even if the cuts are miniscule, it still forces a "solomonic decision" for the buyer: do I upgrade to get the better quality at the expense of content? Some will say yes, others will say no, others still may be angry at being deceived into the expectation of one equals the other when there is content cut for space. I don't think it's a good idea to market these without mentioning "cut for space". The Jules Jordan label has a good reputation among the loyal raincoat crowd. I would think you would want to nurture that in these trying ecnomomic times. My suggestion would be to make the Blu-Rays two-disc affairs with all of the same content of the DVD and then add a bonus scene or something entirely new to the Blu Ray edition to make it worthwhile for people to "buy it twice". Jah knows, how often I have bought the Bob Marley, U2 and Who catalogs b/c the labels released deluxe editions with rarities and such. I bitch and moan and grumble at buying these titles yet again, but as a collector I always fork it over in the end. Same dynamic works with porn collectors and devotees of the type of porn you're putting out Jules. Especially related to porn, anything that is cut from one version to the next, smacks of consumer ripoff. It's why I never buy 90s Vivid DVDs b/c they are so f'ing butchered compared to the VHS copies. And I know you're not trying to rip the people off like Vivid does, but catering to the loyal devotees isn't a bad strategy when everyone else is justifying the recession to steal porn. We're gonna be there for you when everyone else takes the easy road. [Link]
Jaysilver Member 15 Posts 12/05	Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 8:48PM To clarify, "Hand Free" & me are not the same person. I do appreciate him chiming in on the discussion as long as he's abiding by the forum rules. Jules - When I started the topic back in February, I had no intentions of dissing your studio. Actually, I have been a big fan of your movies for a long time. Movies from your studio, Evil Angel, & Elegant Angel are the only ones that I care to watch these days. That's why when I got my blu-ray player & realized that your company releases blu-rays, I was so eager to buy. The first blu-ray that I bought was "Black Owned 3". It was fantastic. Awesome contents & the duration of the movie was kept intact. But when I purchased "Ass Worship 9" & "Breast Worship 2", I was disappointed & perplexed to see the scenes edited down. I even questioned whether I might have gotten some bootleg copies. I know some people had said that they don't care about the missing 5 minutes of each scene & the BTS footage. For me, I guess I am a picky person, I do want to see all the dvd contents be kept on the blu ray version. I still like buying your movies. But for now, I am sticking with the dvd format. Edited by - Jaysilver on 4/26/2010 9:12:28 PM [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 1:34PM I appreciate you guys comments and suggestions....one of the problems has been also that some movies are on the cusp of being able to fit the full movie on a single Blu Ray, and really wouldnt warrant doing 2 discs blu ray. I'm currently working on getting future movies intact as well as some extras...but one thing for sure all future movies will be on blu ray [Link]
Girl Deactivated User Porn is School 18 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 3:06PM julesjordanvideo wrote: I appreciate you guys comments and suggestions....one of the problems has been also that some movies are on the cusp of being able to fit the full movie on a single Blu Ray, and really wouldnt warrant doing 2 discs blu ray. Click to expand Simple solution; load the second disc with extra content, i.e. scenes from other editions of the same series. That is, if you want to really promote the format. [Link]
adultporn Member 29 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 3:24PM I appreciate you guys comments and suggestions....one of the problems has been also that some movies are on the cusp of being able to fit the full movie on a single Blu Ray, and really wouldnt warrant doing 2 discs blu ray. I'm currently working on getting future movies intact as well as some extras...but one thing for sure all future movies will be on blu ray Thank you. I want more European Jules Jordan Blu-ray. I am tired of the fact that Digital Playground are only company releasing old & new titles on blu-ray disc. Other adult studios fill up a single layer blu-ray BD25 disc using the highest image bitrate possible with just a 1.5 hour movie, so I do not understand what you mean that you can not fill up a single layer blu-ray BD25 disc with 3 hours worth of footage. julesjordanvideo wrote: I appreciate you guys comments and suggestions....one of the problems has been also that some movies are on the cusp of being able to fit the full movie on a single Blu Ray, and really wouldnt warrant doing 2 discs blu ray. Click to expand girl wrote: Simple solution; load the second disc with extra content, i.e. scenes from other editions of the same series. That is, if you want to really promote the format. Click to expand I agree. Other studios fill up the first disc with the main feature while the second disc is for BTS. [Link]
Girl Deactivated User Porn is School 18 Posts 4/10	Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 3:28PM adultporn wrote: I agree. Other studios fill up the first disc with the main feature while the second disc is for BTS. Click to expand I personally don't care for BTS. But if an Ass Worship Blu-ray contained 2 or 3 scenes from an earlier Ass Worship release, that would influence my decision to buy. [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 10:49PM BlackSix wrote: Best thing seems to just edit the scenes tighter to begin with then no one will have anything to disagree about being cut. Click to expand IMO, a lot of scenes--by multiple companies--could do with some shortening up. I'm all for 1.5 - 2 hour movies with a decent BTS and bonus scene. But...maybe that's just me. [Link]
BeDawg Member 80 Posts 1/06	Posted - Apr 28 2010 : 3:08AM julesjordanvideo wrote: ...but one thing for sure all future movies will be on blu ray Click to expand Now that is the real news to me! Great to hear! I can't wait to finally see a feeding frenzy on blu-ray... Any plans on releasing some of Mike John's stuff on blu? I don't like 2 disc sets, because I like to have access to the whole content without changing the disc (and I'm not the only one: I remember a thread on that here on ADT). That goes especially for blu-ray because my player takes his time to load the disc. So I can live with the edited versions. If a scene is 40 minutes long, most consumers will fastforward some of it anyway. [Link]
Mefffisto Member 34 Posts 6/06	Posted - Apr 28 2010 : 2:01PM julesjordanvideo wrote: I appreciate you guys comments and suggestions....one of the problems has been also that some movies are on the cusp of being able to fit the full movie on a single Blu Ray, and really wouldnt warrant doing 2 discs blu ray. I'm currently working on getting future movies intact as well as some extras...but one thing for sure all future movies will be on blu ray Click to expand First forgive me all for my english, I am French. Jules Jordan: I respect you for coming defend yourself on this thread. If you did not respect your customers, you would have not answered. What I think, is first: No bonus needed. Bonus sucks most of time (except bonus scene, but look at the bonus scenes from Digital Sin for examples, they are compressed). So it's better I think to give nothing more than the movie. And bonus are just "fastfood", seeing pics on my tv doesn't interest me (I don't know if you propose pics since I never watch bonus). Then, if you can not use 2 Blu-ray Discs or 1 Blu-ray Disck DL, why not just compress it to fit all the disc space, and that's it! maybe your customers won't blame you and will not see the difference with a Hustler release for example. And when you see that King Kong (remake from Universal) was released on HD DVD dual layer (34Go only!!!) and that buyers were masturbating watching it, I think you can handle it on a Blu-ray single layer. And about the bonus (for the customers who loved them): why not putting them on a DVD DL? A bonus is no use in HD, that's what I think. The movie need the best (that's why we all buy a movie or even CD), but bonus don't. We buy a movie, for the movie itself, not for the bonus. You should just make a test: propose a single disc edition with Blu-ray and movie only, and in another way, propose the same movie plus bonus (always on Blu-ray market) and take your decision after, if it is worth proposing bonus. Edited by - mefffisto on 4/28/2010 2:48:36 PM [Link]

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Jaysilver
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Posted - Feb 28 2010 : 3:50PM

In both Blu-ray versions of "Breast Worship 2" & "Ass Worship 9", the movies were edited down to around 3 hours & 11 minutes. I had seen the original dvds, they are over 4 hours each. I thought I was getting a higher quality product by buying the Blu-ray version. Instead, I felt like I was getting some compilations disc filled with edited down scenes. If the original movie contents are not kept intact, there's really no incentive of buying the Blu-ray version.

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julesjordanvideo
JulesJordan.com

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Posted - Feb 28 2010 : 4:01PM

in order to get two discs worth of a movie(4 to 5 hrs) onto blu ray we had to edit some of the scenes down, what was missing that you were looking for? Blu Ray is still better quality video, and we didnt want to sacrifice the video quality....
thanks,
Jules

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Hands Free
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 12:50PM

Shame on Jules Jordan and JJV, that is not only really horrible business practices but generally gives Adult Blu-ray a bad reputation for everyone.
Jules, the answer to your question is to release movies on 2 discs, if you can't fit it on one. If you can't justify the cost of 2-discs and the movie is too long for a single disc, don't release the title on Blu-ray. Save the scenes for an obvious compilation exclusively for Blu-ray, or something.
But to release with the same exact cover art as the DVD and call it the same movie when there is LESS content? Damn, that's just good way to lose loyal customers.
Thanks for the tip, OP, I'll be staying far away from JJV on Blu-ray until I know for a fact that this is no longer their M.O.
Edited by - Hands Free on 4/24/2010 12:55:27 PM

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julesjordanvideo
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 1:19PM

thanks for signing up today and going back into the archives to voice your opinion "handsfree", your post is very suspect.....I think more deceiving would be to put out a blu ray movie and have horrible quality, It was our decision that editing out 5 minutes per scene, (most scenes are 35-40 minutes, which would barely be noticiable) was the thing to do. Right now there are not many gonzo companies releasing blu ray, but we are....So I guess you have options, we are currently looking into doing blu ray double discs. Handsfree, what was missing from my blu rays that you were looking for?

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Hands Free
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 1:35PM

Other than the original cut of the movie, absolutely nothing.
As far as being "suspect," I simply conducted a search on Blu-ray and responded. Sorry to throw your conspiracy theories out of the water.
Edited by - Hands Free on 4/24/2010 1:36:59 PM

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Flash

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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 1:55PM

Hands Free may or may not be jaysilver however today is not his/her first day as hands free is a multiple time deactivated member.

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julesjordanvideo
JulesJordan.com

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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 2:43PM

handsfree, I meant what blu rays have you seen of mine, and what was cut out that you were looking for? In my opinion its hardly noticable....

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iainn
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 3:23PM

I have no problem with cutting a couple of minutes of each scene,i recently bought slut puppies 3 on blu ray and thought it was great.I would however like to see different information on the cover,saying there is 60 minutes of BTS when there is no BTS is misleading.
Keep releasing on blu ray though its way better than dvd.

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OtisSpunkmeyer
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 4:26PM

Hello, this is my first post, guess that makes me automatically wrong. I purchased the Ass Worship 9 Bluray and it was missing the Naomi bonus scene and all bonus features except a photo slideshow. That is pretty weak and I have high standards for JJV since in my opinion he is the best director working. Editing down scenes and with all the bonus features missing is pretty noticeable and not a single mention of it not even in fine print. Jules is an amazing director with awesome product but that doesn't mean he is above us and can do no wrong. I also posted this on the JJV forums some months ago and got a reply from another poster that I should just be happy with it!
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Harri Patel
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 4:29PM

I thought Blu-Ray discs were supposed to have much, much bigger capacity than regular DVDs - how is it possible that a double-disc DVD can't fit onto one? (This is a question, not an argument.)

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grover

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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 5:10PM

Capacity comparison:
Single layer DVD has a capacity of 4.7 gb, whereas a single layer Blu-ray Disc has a capacity of 25 gb.
Cost comparison:
Single layer DVD - Memorex 16X 4.7GB DVD-R Spindle - 100 Pack - $ 35.99 CDN + tax (for 100 discs)
Blu-ray Disc - Memorex 5-Pack 2X 25GB Blu-ray (BD-R) - $ 39.99 CDN + tax (for 5 discs)
* costs are retail prices (Best Buy)
If a movie is over 25 gbs, 2 BD are required. Therefore, shorten the length of the movie so that it can fit onto 1 disc. Quality is improved (maintained) but unfortunately, scenes have to edited. If not, a price of a movie on BD will double! And unfortunately, the consumer will have to pay for the extra BD!
Simple economics!

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adultporn
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 6:25PM

Digital Playground has release over 200 Blu-ray titles, and Jules Jordan has release over 28 Blu-ray titles. Is Jules Jordan going to release all of their videos on Blu-ray & DVD from now on like how Digital Playground is releasing all of their titles on Blu-ray & DVD?

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ADT44
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 8:44PM

Hands Free wrote:
Shame on Jules Jordan and JJV, that is not only really horrible business practices but generally gives Adult Blu-ray a bad reputation for everyone.
Jules, the answer to your question is to release movies on 2 discs, if you can't fit it on one. If you can't justify the cost of 2-discs and the movie is too long for a single disc, don't release the title on Blu-ray. Save the scenes for an obvious compilation exclusively for Blu-ray, or something.
But to release with the same exact cover art as the DVD and call it the same movie when there is LESS content? Damn, that's just good way to lose loyal customers.
Thanks for the tip, OP, I'll be staying far away from JJV on Blu-ray until I know for a fact that this is no longer their M.O.
Edited by - Hands Free on 4/24/2010 12:55:27 PM
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Sorry to say, but I kinda agree to all of it.
I rather buy a regular DVD including the "unnoticeable" missing minutes instead of a blue ray disc/artwork therof that lets you think that your buying the exact same movie.
To me its like watching an evil angel rocco movie and then finding out there is an euro version somewhere with extra minutes and/or scenes.
There should be a sticker on the box imo declaring the incompleteness (compared with the standard dvd).
You know, to me a minute can make all the difference in a movie: e.g. a particular comment a girl makes after she came, or a position that I particularly like...if they got edited out in the blue ray i would be rather bummed.

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Dubious_Leftovers
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 8:51PM

Personally, I think comparatively shorter scenes that are more tightly edited, make for far hotter outcomes.
My mind begins wandering past the 25-30 minute mark.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 9:14PM

I'm still new to the whole Blu-ray thing but I thought with Blu-ray we were going to get extra content because of the capacity not less. I was under the impression that the Blu-ray discs were able to old 4 to 6 movies on a single disc. I know that the Blu-ray movies take more GBs but I thought they'd still have plenty of space to spare.

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grover

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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 10:03PM

^ It's based on the resolution of the picture. The higher the resolution of the picture, the more memory it consumes.
Video works the same way!
Wiki - Image Resolution
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adultporn
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 10:48PM

For 2 hour movie.
DVD 72 hex 480 = 0.345600 Megapixels Mpeg2 6 Mbit/sec DVD 8 Gb disc
DVD X 6 = Blu-ray resolution megapixel requires 48 Gb disc
Blu-ray 192 hex 1080 = 2.2073600 Megapixel Mpeg2 36 Mbit/sec 48 Gb disc or mpeg4 24 Mbit/sec
All adult blu-ray comes on single layer BD25 25 Gb disc. Double layer BD50 50 Gb disc are too expensive which are used by Hollywood studios.
Thus, blu-ray has 6 times the megapixel resolution, so blu-ray requires 6 times the disc space, but advancement in new compression Mpeg4 technology, can save up to 40% disc space compare to mpeg2 compression. Increase the length of the movie by alot, will degrade the picture quality, which is why Jules decided to edit out the footage; however, 2 blu-ray BD25 disc or 1 blu-ray BD50 disc would have been better, but the cost will be more.
Blu-ray discs have more disk space compare to DVD disc, 25 or 50 Gb vs 4 or 8 Gb, but do you really want 1000 hours of youtube quality or 2 hours of high resolution quality?
Double layer DVD 8 Gb disc $0.75
Single layer Blu-ray 25 Gb disc $3.00 ($2.00 is the cheapest that I have found)
Double layer Blu-ray 50 Gb disc $7.00 (too expensive for burning, better to use a hard drive)
Besides blu-ray disc cost, Jules would have to pay more money for blu-ray licensing, blu-ray disc protection, etc which is why I vote to allow internet download blu-ray iso that way I can burn my own blu-ray or put on hard drive.

Edited by - adultporn on 4/24/2010 11:12:08 PM

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qz3fwd
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141 Posts
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Posted - Apr 24 2010 : 11:33PM

adultporn wrote:
For 2 hour movie.
DVD 72 hex 480 = 0.345600 Megapixels Mpeg2 6 Mbit/sec DVD 8 Gb disc
DVD X 6 = Blu-ray resolution megapixel requires 48 Gb disc
Blu-ray 192 hex 1080 = 2.2073600 Megapixel Mpeg2 36 Mbit/sec 48 Gb disc or mpeg4 24 Mbit/sec
All adult blu-ray comes on single layer BD25 25 Gb disc. Double layer BD50 50 Gb disc are too expensive which are used by Hollywood studios.
Thus, blu-ray has 6 times the megapixel resolution, so blu-ray requires 6 times the disc space, but advancement in new compression Mpeg4 technology, can save up to 40% disc space compare to mpeg2 compression. Increase the length of the movie by alot, will degrade the picture quality, which is why Jules decided to edit out the footage; however, 2 blu-ray BD25 disc or 1 blu-ray BD50 disc would have been better, but the cost will be more.
Blu-ray discs have more disk space compare to DVD disc, 25 or 50 Gb vs 4 or 8 Gb, but do you really want 1000 hours of youtube quality or 2 hours of high resolution quality?
Double layer DVD 8 Gb disc $0.75
Single layer Blu-ray 25 Gb disc $3.00 ($2.00 is the cheapest that I have found)
Double layer Blu-ray 50 Gb disc $7.00 (too expensive for burning, better to use a hard drive)
Besides blu-ray disc cost, Jules would have to pay more money for blu-ray licensing, blu-ray disc protection, etc which is why I vote to allow internet download blu-ray iso that way I can burn my own blu-ray or put on hard drive.
Edited by - adultporn on 4/24/2010 11:12:08 PM
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If they are using single layer 25GB burnable discs for their BD releases, and using Mpeg2 encoders, and editing out content, and selling them for a premium much more that a Hollywood DVD->BD premium, no thanks.
They need to pony up and press dual layer 50GB retail discs.
Otherwise I will not pay the premium. Do it properly or not at all. That is my position. Thank you.

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julesjordanvideo
JulesJordan.com

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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 1:46AM

Otis, Its one thing to be constructive criticism, and its another to go for the jugular like the previous poster did ;-)....anyway, it is certainly not our intention to deceive consumers, the artwork had slipped by with the SD version artwork....Ass Worship 9 was done long ago, and we were dealing with the variables at the time, up until recently they didnt even make blu ray cases that could hold 2 discs .I agree it sucks to take the bonus features out, but it allowed us to keep more of the movie intact....in the past the discs have been very expensive as was the authoring, so there are other costs involved when doing 2 disc blu rays....is anyone aware of other companies doing 2 disc blu ray sets????....curious....I think our blu ray discs are great the way they are...we were very cautious of what was taken out of the scenes....
out of curiosity what studios do you guys buy blu rays from regularly? we are trying to get closer to day and date releases....I like the fact that we are one of few companies still doing blu rays, and we plan on keep continuing...

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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:07AM

^ I liked Ass Worship 9 on bluray, fwiw.

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Prophit
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:52AM

Both Girlvana 3 & 4 by Zero Tolerance have 2 Discs in a 2-Disc case and they were released back at the beginning of 08.
I think releasing Blu-rays the way you do it is better than releasing none at all though. I wish other studios would still put out BDs.
Edited by - Prophit on 4/25/2010 3:15:35 AM

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OtisSpunkmeyer
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 3:44AM

JJV, it sounds like you want to do whats best for your customers and your product, it just happens that I like the BTS stuff. I'm sure I'll be buying your blurays in the future. Ass Worship 9 is one of my favorite movies of all time, btw.

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sanchez_1960
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 4:16AM

I've just read this and I'm furious.
If you can't fit the DVD content on a Blu-ray and are not willing to do a 2-disc version then DO NOT release the Blu-ray at all!

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BlackSix

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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 4:18AM

+1 JJ's flicks could benefit from tighter editing anyway, shorter scenes would actually be an improvement imo. Just don't cut the tease intros!
Is Ass Worship 11 on BD? I'd be all over that.

Edited by - BlackSix on 4/25/2010 4:20:53 AM

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Johnothan Pedak
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 5:08AM

As long as those five minutes don't come from the blowjob or load parts of the scene. I say chop away.

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Porn Scout
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 5:35AM

Personally, this sounds to me like an argument about nothing. JJV had a business decision to make and so they cut a few minutes off of each scene. BFD. Their scenes are too long anyway.
The long term answer, to keep everyone happy, is to just edit the scenes down to a length that will fit on both formats. That way no one has anything to complain about.

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stef de bef
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262 Posts
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 6:02AM

I hope not that the blu-ray of lex the impaler 4 is cut.
I have order this blu-ray and i have also the dvd.
I want to sell the dvd.

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ADT44
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 7:48AM

justin slayer/josh stone, baby!

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iainn
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 9:23AM

I buy alot from Elegant Angel,they've had 2 disc releases,performers of the year 2009 and 2010 also big wet asses 15

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stef de bef
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 11:31AM

I buy alot from Elegant Angel,they've had 2 disc releases,performers of the year 2009 and 2010 also big wet asses 15
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I have also Alexis Texas Buttwoman om blu-ray 2 disk.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 11:58AM

This sounds like the best idea. That way people wouldn't feel like they're getting shorted with one format over the other.
For me personally, I'm a long way away fom buying Blu-ray porn. I have a Blu-Ray player and just don't think the extra cost of the discs are worth it at this point. I know many people rave about the picture quality but I'm just as content watching standard DVD quality. In fact in some cases I prefer the standard DVD picture. Add to that I'm enjoying the low prices of standard DVDs in mainstream and the porn biz. I'm sure Blu-ray will one day be the standard but I'm in no particular hurry to get there.

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adultporn
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:17PM

julesjordanvideo wrote:
Otis, Its one thing to be constructive criticism, and its another to go for the jugular like the previous poster did ;-)....anyway, it is certainly not our intention to deceive consumers, the artwork had slipped by with the SD version artwork....Ass Worship 9 was done long ago, and we were dealing with the variables at the time, up until recently they didnt even make blu ray cases that could hold 2 discs .I agree it sucks to take the bonus features out, but it allowed us to keep more of the movie intact....in the past the discs have been very expensive as was the authoring, so there are other costs involved when doing 2 disc blu rays....is anyone aware of other companies doing 2 disc blu ray sets????....curious....I think our blu ray discs are great the way they are...we were very cautious of what was taken out of the scenes....
out of curiosity what studios do you guys buy blu rays from regularly? we are trying to get closer to day and date releases....I like the fact that we are one of few companies still doing blu rays, and we plan on keep continuing...
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Hi Jules,
According to AdultDVDempire.com, currently, out of 611 adult blu-ray titles, Digital Playground, Hustler, Elegant Angel, and Jules Jordan have release over 203, 64, 28, and 10, respectively adult blu-ray titles, so I would guess majority of the people who want to view blu-ray titles will chose Digital Playground or Hustler adult blu-ray because there are very few adult studios who release titles in blu-ray format.

My last blu-ray titles that I have view were Digital Playground All Star 2, Digital Playground All Star Big Boobs, & Digital Playground All Star Milfs because these were the only adult blu-ray titles that feature European women. Each blu-ray titles can be purchase for about $22.00 on adultdvdmarketplace. On average the blu-ray titles cost about $7.00 more compare to adult DVD titles. At my local adult bookstore, I can rent the adult blu-ray and adult DVD at the same price, so of course, I chose blu-ray.

Will you release some of Raul Cristian's titles like Prime Cups or All Internal on blu-ray?
Maybe, this can help make cheaper blu-ray titles.

First Free Software Blu-ray Encoder
The x264 project has released an entirely free Blu-ray encoder. It even comes with a torrent containing free content for you to view just incase you didn’t believe them ;)
With x264’s powerful compression, as demonstrated by the incredibly popular BD-Rebuilder Blu-ray backup software, it’s quite possible to author Blu-ray disks on DVD9s (dual-layer DVDs) or even DVD5s (single-layer DVDs) with a reasonable level of quality. With a free software encoder and less need for an expensive Blu-ray burner, we are one step closer to putting HD optical media creation in the hands of the everyday user.
http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=328
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tmd5
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 3:02PM

What I think you should be absolutely sure to do in the future is to be 100% sure to put the running time on the BOX COVER.
I checked the Blu-Ray cover for Ass Worship 9 and it's not there. Of course people are going to feel deceived! I'm the same way with Hands Free. If I pay for a Blu-Ray version, I expect the same running time as the DVD. I would almost always check the box cover first to see a running time. This way I could know beforehand and then choose to buy it!
If Jules Jordan had posted the running time properly on the box cover of the Blu-Ray movies, nobody has the right to complain. Even on the official webpage, the running time of "Ass Worship 9" is listed as 4 hours?! Maybe they need to fix the box cover. So it's not 4 hours, but 3 hours and 11 minutes? Sounds kind of wrong to list a movie as 4 hours when it's only a little over 3 hours. Perhaps it's a typo.
I don't buy Blu-Ray porn, but If I had bought one and it was cut, i'd be very mad and expect a refund. This is assuming the producer did not make the customer aware of the running time on a cover.
I imagine no "tease" scenes are cut. I sure hope not. If so, that's just wrong! I'm a weird and like the tease scenes more then the actual sex scenes sometimes.

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bootymeister
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 6:07PM

^
I agree, the tease segment is the only part which I view 100%. Many times, I watch a tease segment two or three times.

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Rosco Fuji
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3309 Posts
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 8:28PM

I really don't see why anyone is whining about a 40 minute scene being edited down by 5 minutes. Hell, 35 minutes for a standard scene is way too long. IMHO, anything past 20 minutes is filler.
2 minutes interview.
2 minutes tease
4 minutes blowjob
4 minutes mish in various angles
4 minutes CG
4 minutes RCG
2 minutes of popshot and PCH
If an anal scene, add 5 minutes.
Total scene length 22-27 minutes.

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torris
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 9:18PM

a2m and another "circus like" footage should not be trimmed to fit Blu-Ray

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tmd5
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seika izumi
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 2:38AM

We are only whining when we are not told beforehand what we are getting. Nothing on the cover tells the customer that scenes were cut. There is no running time listed, that's all we would need. If most people knew beforehand what they were getting (running time on box cover), they could choose to buy it or skip it.

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Jaktarn
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 4:22AM

Totally agree on this!Only exception is gangbangs, orgys and scenes with really intense foreplay situations like inthevip and vipcrew!

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presto_nl
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 7:14AM

When you buy a mainstream Hollywood movie on blu ray you may expect that the feature film is as long as on the DVD. When you purchase a porn movie from a high quality porn production company as Jules Jordan Video you expect the same. In my opinion Jules Jordan Video should state on the cover that the Blu Ray version is slightly edited.

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bootymeister
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 7:30AM

If 5 minutes are to be edited from a scene, among customers, total disagreement exists in determining what should be cut.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 2:01PM

Best thing seems to just edit the scenes tighter to begin with then no one will have anything to disagree about being cut.

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Girl
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 2:38PM

That makes sense, especially since Jules himself says the stuff he cuts out for the Blu-ray isn't missed. Just make the DVD shorter in the future, so it will fit on a BD. Of course, this doesn't help with catalog releases, which should still be released as 2-Disc or not at all.
Begs the question, if this cut footage is so worthless, why would Jules include it on the original DVD?

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torris
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 4:31PM

From a consumer point of view I don't see how touting the benefits of the better picture quality of Blu-Ray while cutting *any* of the content is going to do anything but create confusion and hesitation to the potential buyer. Even if the cuts are miniscule, it still forces a "solomonic decision" for the buyer: do I upgrade to get the better quality at the expense of content? Some will say yes, others will say no, others still may be angry at being deceived into the expectation of one equals the other when there is content cut for space. I don't think it's a good idea to market these without mentioning "cut for space". The Jules Jordan label has a good reputation among the loyal raincoat crowd. I would think you would want to nurture that in these trying ecnomomic times.
My suggestion would be to make the Blu-Rays two-disc affairs with all of the same content of the DVD and then add a bonus scene or something entirely new to the Blu Ray edition to make it worthwhile for people to "buy it twice". Jah knows, how often I have bought the Bob Marley, U2 and Who catalogs b/c the labels released deluxe editions with rarities and such. I bitch and moan and grumble at buying these titles yet again, but as a collector I always fork it over in the end. Same dynamic works with porn collectors and devotees of the type of porn you're putting out Jules.
Especially related to porn, anything that is cut from one version to the next, smacks of consumer ripoff. It's why I never buy 90s Vivid DVDs b/c they are so f'ing butchered compared to the VHS copies. And I know you're not trying to rip the people off like Vivid does, but catering to the loyal devotees isn't a bad strategy when everyone else is justifying the recession to steal porn. We're gonna be there for you when everyone else takes the easy road.

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Jaysilver
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 8:48PM

To clarify, "Hand Free" & me are not the same person. I do appreciate him chiming in on the discussion as long as he's abiding by the forum rules.
Jules - When I started the topic back in February, I had no intentions of dissing your studio. Actually, I have been a big fan of your movies for a long time. Movies from your studio, Evil Angel, & Elegant Angel are the only ones that I care to watch these days. That's why when I got my blu-ray player & realized that your company releases blu-rays, I was so eager to buy. The first blu-ray that I bought was "Black Owned 3". It was fantastic. Awesome contents & the duration of the movie was kept intact. But when I purchased "Ass Worship 9" & "Breast Worship 2", I was disappointed & perplexed to see the scenes edited down. I even questioned whether I might have gotten some bootleg copies. I know some people had said that they don't care about the missing 5 minutes of each scene & the BTS footage. For me, I guess I am a picky person, I do want to see all the dvd contents be kept on the blu ray version. I still like buying your movies. But for now, I am sticking with the dvd format.
Edited by - Jaysilver on 4/26/2010 9:12:28 PM

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Girl
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Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 3:06PM

Simple solution; load the second disc with extra content, i.e. scenes from other editions of the same series. That is, if you want to really promote the format.

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adultporn
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Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 3:24PM

I appreciate you guys comments and suggestions....one of the problems has been also that some movies are on the cusp of being able to fit the full movie on a single Blu Ray, and really wouldnt warrant doing 2 discs blu ray. I'm currently working on getting future movies intact as well as some extras...but one thing for sure all future movies will be on blu ray
Thank you. I want more European Jules Jordan Blu-ray. I am tired of the fact that Digital Playground are only company releasing old & new titles on blu-ray disc. Other adult studios fill up a single layer blu-ray BD25 disc using the highest image bitrate possible with just a 1.5 hour movie, so I do not understand what you mean that you can not fill up a single layer blu-ray BD25 disc with 3 hours worth of footage.

girl wrote:
Simple solution; load the second disc with extra content, i.e. scenes from other editions of the same series. That is, if you want to really promote the format.

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I agree. Other studios fill up the first disc with the main feature while the second disc is for BTS.

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Girl
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Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 3:28PM

I personally don't care for BTS. But if an Ass Worship Blu-ray contained 2 or 3 scenes from an earlier Ass Worship release, that would influence my decision to buy.

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Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 10:49PM

IMO, a lot of scenes--by multiple companies--could do with some shortening up. I'm all for 1.5 - 2 hour movies with a decent BTS and bonus scene.
But...maybe that's just me.

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BeDawg
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Posted - Apr 28 2010 : 3:08AM

Now that is the real news to me! Great to hear! I can't wait to finally see a feeding frenzy on blu-ray... Any plans on releasing some of Mike John's stuff on blu?
I don't like 2 disc sets, because I like to have access to the whole content without changing the disc (and I'm not the only one: I remember a thread on that here on ADT). That goes especially for blu-ray because my player takes his time to load the disc. So I can live with the edited versions. If a scene is 40 minutes long, most consumers will fastforward some of it anyway.

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Mefffisto
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Posted - Apr 28 2010 : 2:01PM

First forgive me all for my english, I am French.
Jules Jordan: I respect you for coming defend yourself on this thread. If you did not respect your customers, you would have not answered.
What I think, is first: No bonus needed. Bonus sucks most of time (except bonus scene, but look at the bonus scenes from Digital Sin for examples, they are compressed). So it's better I think to give nothing more than the movie. And bonus are just "fastfood", seeing pics on my tv doesn't interest me (I don't know if you propose pics since I never watch bonus).
Then, if you can not use 2 Blu-ray Discs or 1 Blu-ray Disck DL, why not just compress it to fit all the disc space, and that's it! maybe your customers won't blame you and will not see the difference with a Hustler release for example. And when you see that King Kong (remake from Universal) was released on HD DVD dual layer (34Go only!!!) and that buyers were masturbating watching it, I think you can handle it on a Blu-ray single layer.
And about the bonus (for the customers who loved them): why not putting them on a DVD DL? A bonus is no use in HD, that's what I think. The movie need the best (that's why we all buy a movie or even CD), but bonus don't. We buy a movie, for the movie itself, not for the bonus.
You should just make a test: propose a single disc edition with Blu-ray and movie only, and in another way, propose the same movie plus bonus (always on Blu-ray market) and take your decision after, if it is worth proposing bonus.
Edited by - mefffisto on 4/28/2010 2:48:36 PM

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