I have even had to set up an interview with Mason tomorrow to get some questions answered...

This movie is simply so far beyond the work in her other movies...

I am going to use the same word again: "wow".

Selena Silver

FANS:
Selena Silver Yahoo Group
PRODUCERS/DIRECTORS:
Selena Silver Booking Info
SELENA SILVER ADT "PICK OF THE WEEK"
ADT Pick of the Week

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Again, don't misunderstand me. I am only curious about your general modus operandi, about the "goals" of your reviews (if they can be called that — again, don't misunderstand this) and about your theoretical/methodological background.

Please do realize that this is coming from a guy who made an analysis of 600+ pages of a single film, working with data which exceeded 10000 pages. And from a guy who is not interested much at all in reviews of any kind, except as secondary sources within a historical research project.



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"I suspect Walter just mined another quote."
(I don't think so... What? ... Damn. I was tricked into this one.)

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Btw, when will Mason use Rodney Moore in one of her movies? ;-)

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Lookin' forward to it!

Mike L.

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The trick with this movie was that Mason wrote a great story and she wrote it from deep within herself - the entire movie is a cluefest giving away what goes on inside Mason's head.

Since there is an undeniably large fascination with Mason (partially because she keeps herself shrouded in mystery) and due to the anticipation for this release, I didn't want to miss a golden opportunity to shine a light on Mason a little and open her up a little for her fans.

I hope I accomplished that.

I really hope you read the review (especially the second section where I analyze the movie and Mason) and tell me what you think.

It will be very interesting to me to hear the feedback to a) this review/article, and then b) the movie itself. I hope there are a lot of discussions about Mason this week -we certainly have our single biggest insight into her that we have ever had.

Selena Silver

FANS:
Selena Silver Yahoo Group
PRODUCERS/DIRECTORS:
Selena Silver Booking Info
SELENA SILVER ADT "PICK OF THE WEEK"
ADT Pick of the Week

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Get someone objective to review this stuff. Not the best friend of the director.

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Btw, of course this is not an objective review but that's oke, I love to read about this movie from Selena's point of view, nothing wrong with that.

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Let's get Uma Thurman to review Kill Bill!
That makes sense!

How can the Moderators allow a review to be submitted by someone who is actually in the movie?

Where is the integrity of Adultdvdtalk as an objective source of reviews?

Edited by - ReasonableMan on 10/14/2003 7:10:01 PM

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I didn't say anything about Ms. Silver's review for American Gunk. But she is actually in Mason's Sexual Disorder, and as such, I don't see why AdultDVDTalk would accept a review from her on this film.

This is for the good of AdultDVDTalk. Not some personal agenda.

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ReasonableMan, I've already pointed out where you can find the answer to your question. I have no desire to rehash the whole discussion that takes place inside the American Gunk thread; why don't you go read it for yourself? I'll be happy to entertain any comments you have after that. Fair enough?

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Selena is writing the movie from her point of view like every other reviewer does. I mean if you look at it that way then all reviews are subjective.

It's up to you if you want to buy the movie or not, I mean Selena writes a great review about it but I personally am still not sure if I will buy the movie because of the lack of interracial scenes. Remember one important thing: Never let a reviewer decide if you're gonna buy a movie or not.

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Why is it so hard to differentiate between a review and a Pick of the Week? The name Pick of the Week implies that the coverage of the movie will be positive, hence Pick of the Week!

It's like, if AVN gives a movie an Editor's Choice, you automatically assume the review will be positive. Do you immediately assume the AVN reviewer is a "shill?"
Or that AVN's reviews and awards are influenced by the number of ads a company places in the magazine? Or...wait a minute... bad comparison..

Selena has already stated that she does not consider herself a "reviewer" in the truest sense of the word. Her role is to give a "heads-up" to movies she feels, as a fan, are worthy of a peek, and as a performer, she gives a unique inside perspective. Her incredibly detailed analysis of each movie is a great read and gives us a remarkable insight that other "reviewers" simply don't have.

So I think she should be encouraged, not second guessed.

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Sorry to derail this thread further, especially since Mason's Sexual Disorder looks to be a very interesting movie.

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Remember everyone , emaciated trolls die of hunger .

Oh , and yeh so I haven't bought any of the discs Selena's reviewed . But that doesn't make all her hard work worthless , she gives a fine insight into these DVDs and her own behind the scenes involvement . I for one derive great pleasure from her reviews ( and the prospect of a new MLyons marathon on the horizon is great news too ) .

Here's hoping she doesn't let a vocal minority discourage her from writing more !

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[Rhetorical question. Anyway, back to the topic at, ahem, hand!]

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When I was checking different reviews for a single film, I was constantly switching between this site, Rogreviews and RAME. I didn’t take any time to figure out the background of the reviewers; I just wanted info on the film. I assumed that they were either longtime critics, or porn fans.

And that’s the issue here, once one of Selena’s reviews gets put in the general mix with all the other 5000+ reviews here on this site. A less-than-knowledgeable reader could be puzzled by her perspective in her write-ups, when she is making references to working for a studio, or with a particular person. The reader could click on the link to the “Selena Silver Pick of the week”, and get the background info on her, but if they are like I was, they just want film info, not reviewer info.

Check out the 3 reviews for "I Love it Rough 2", and you'll get an idea of what I mean.

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I just want objective reviews, which I don't feel can be accomplished by allowing actors to rate their own movies.

ReasonableMan has a valid point to make. If a person is in a movie (any movie, not just porn films), I have some misgivings about their being able to rate the movie with a decent level of objectivity. I don’t have any problem with Selena posting a write-up of her take on the film; even Hollywood actors do publicity tours of their films, they are expected to get out the good word on their work, though no one expects them to say anything negative about it.

I believe M. Lyons handled this kind of situation well. After he visited Elegant Angels studios, he posted a disclaimer at the beginning of any review he did of their movies. And this was only after a 1 day visit. I think an equivalent disclaimer would be useful, when Selena’s reviews get put in the general mix, there could be a clear disclaimer at the beginning (not a link) about what her involvement was with the film, or the studio. At least with Mason’s Sexual Disorder, she does state at the start of her write-up that she was in it, and that she would be commenting on the movie from this viewpoint.

Edited by - Renee on 10/15/2003 11:58:08 AM

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How could you read this paragraph in the background section of Selena's review (which is the very beginning of the review) of I Love it Rough 2 and not know she's a pornstar who's worked with Brandon:

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How could I not know that she is a porn star? Because when I was new to reading reviews, like I was 6 months ago, I couldn't possibly keep all the names of the actresses straight, there are so many of them, plus a lot of them go by different names. It is easy to know that she is a porn actress if you log onto the message board at least once a week, so sure, that would cut down on any confusion. But like you've said in another thread, you have 40,000 hits a day on the reviews. Any idea how many different people visit the message board each day, so we can compare?

When I first started reading reviews here, I specifically looked up ones written by women. To be honest, if I had come across this Selena review above six months ago, I would wonder why a woman reviewer had to give Brandon Iron a blowjob, just to review one of his films, when the other women like Yogagrrl, Dumblonde or Lindi don't ever mention things like that.

Like I said above, I don't have any problems with her doing reviews; I only want to see the confusion factor cut down for people who are new to porn and who aren't familiar with all the different people who work in the industry.

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Edited by - skronker on 10/16/2003 4:23:32 PM

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Mason's Sexual Disorder.

It's only the second 4.5 star rating I've given. It was a hard rating to arrive at. There's some stuff here that, while not being truly strokable for me, was nevertheless fascinating and thought provoking to watch. There was plenty there that WAS pure stroke factor, however, and in my assessment, is Mason's best work to date in this regard. Katrina Kraven's scene simply blew me away, and Maggie Star's wasn't far behind. I believe Mason is growing and expanding her horizons, and as always I'm anxious to see where she goes next.

Mike L.

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Sex Was Fantastic (Katrina Kraven's Scene Was The Best)

(Selena's Scene Right Behind It)And I Enjoyed The Story As

Well, I Highly Recommend This Title.

This Was My First Mason Flick And Let Me Just Say It

Wont Be My Last

Everyone Go Buy It NOW!!!!

BTW Selena Was Right The "Im Sorry I Had To Paintball You,

Julie" Line Was Funny

Whoa...Your Ass Tastes Like Ass

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I also recently bought Mason's Sexual Disorder. In my opinion it has the strongest cast of any Mason feature. Not a weak link in the bunch. I know it's not entirely a stroke flick but I thought the middle scenes with Katrina Kraven, Maggie Starr and Selena Silver were immensely strokable. I was already familiar with the last two but now I'm gonna have to see more with Miss Kraven. I also liked seeing Mason's make-up artist friend again in the behind-the-scenes. She cracks me up.

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Edited by - Myload on 11/15/2003 10:46:48 AM

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There are a couple of points I would like to make:

I am deeply frustrated by the references made by Kitty Kat and Myload to passion and intimacy. Intimacy is about abandonment, letting go, and sharing the deepest, personal aspects of self. It doesn’t always need to be contextualized in tender expressions of affection. The connection and chemistry between Manuel, Denis and Katrina was the most beautiful, soulful, intimate exchange of sexuality I have ever seen. When Manuel had Katrina wrapped in his arms, the ferocity of their locked eyes, their kissing, and intimate moments was awe inspiring. Afterwards, I couldn’t understand how she did not fall in love with him. It may not be what is traditionally characterized as intimacy, but it touched everyone's spirit who was present on set that day. Katrina is a marvel, and I’m so grateful that she granted me that window into her soul.

It is difficult for me to grasp, when there is so little genuine chemistry and intimacy in the tamer elements of this industry---when girls are so often treated like pieces of meat; holes to be routinely penetrated, double penetrated and triple penetrated---that people could respond to my movie by suggesting there is a lack of humanity or intimacy. Jessica and Mickey G, Mr Pete and Maggie, the total abandonment and exhaltation of Julie Night in the last two scenes; the talent in this movie gave so much of themselves, and shared their sex so freely with each other and you the audience. Whatever your reaction to Sexual Disorder, a lack of passion and intimacy is not one I can have much sympathy with.

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The thing that got to me was that there seemed to be this almost apologetic tone i.e. for a woman to like hardcore she must have a "disorder"

My intention was never to rationalize or justify my own, or the actresses, sexual proclivities as a clinical, mental disorder. I was trying to say that the free expression of their feelings represent disorder, chaos and freedom, in an otherwise, too frequently structured and ordered society that preconditions both men and women to constrain their hearts and sexuality.

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And maybe the woman in the film would like to recieve as well as give a little head sometimes? I've noticed in a lot of hardcore stuff the female stars never get their breasts or pussy licked; it's as though that's too softcore.

You know, I’ve tried this, and it just doesn’t work. Many times I have edited these sequences out. Pussy eating is something I rarely recieve in my personal life because it never compliments the type of aggressive sex I adore. Rather than lend intimacy, I see cunnilingus as beating around the bush, when I could be getting gagged or fucked, or physically consumed by cock. This is not to say that I do not occasionally enjoy a fine glass of wine followed by a good tongue job, however, for me it is never an intense sexual activity and not suited to the type of scenes I do. I completely understand the need to express reciprocal pleasure giving among the sexes, however, I’m not going to include this in my movies for mere political correctness.

I agree. Sexual Disorder is not for everybody. However, inspite of my enthusiastic disassociation from any connection Sexual Disorder might have to the “couples” porn genre, I know from the feedback I have already received, that this movie can be enjoyed, and is, by both men and women alike all over the country.

What I wanted more than anything was to tell a story with the least amount of set up and direction, so that Sexual Disorder would be devoid of the imbecillic pretensions of feature porn. This is at heart, a small story about love, obsession, and sexual freedom. No more, no less.

Hope that helps. :)

I really appreciate all of the responses, and encourage any and all feedback. Thanks!

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MSD Review

For the record- I liked it.

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Mike L.

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I get this picture soon Mason, plus Dirty Trixxx, so will let you know from a first-time Mason viewer what I think of your most famous and most recent. Incidentally, have you been watching the world cup of Rugby? I seem to remember us being both fans of the masterful physique of Wendel Sailor. Now could he dish out some rough sex or what?

Rugby star + Selena Silver as Germaine Greer = scene from Mason's Sexual Disorder II. What say you to that?

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Congratulations on Australia beating tournament favorites, New Zealand, 22-10, in the semi-finals!!!! Unfortunately, because of my roomie, Graham, I will have to root for England! ;) You are right, Wendel Sailor is hot!

As far as your choice for Dirty Trixxx, please, please, please, get Dirty Trixxx 2. It is so much better than the first, and basically scene 3 is where Sexual Disorder began.

See you in the chatroom!

M

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-T.C.

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Oh yes, I know. They should be both.



cobalt60 said:
"I try to be magnamim..magman...eeba-deep...forthright and it gets me nothin' but grief."

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