I love Roxy. What a legend! Those scenes are all amazing. All her Kink scenes are. So are her scenes for Evil Angel. I hope she's doing well these days. I know she's had a rough time after that car crash several years ago.
Nope. This was the last report. https://www.xbiz.com/news/272095/kink-com-releases-statement-about-on-set-incident-removes-head-of-production Huggy, the head of production, was let go. And Lydia is done at Kink.
Here's links to new Savage Gangbang scenes. Lauren Phillips - https://www.kink.com/shoot/104186 London River - https://www.kink.com/shoot/104285 Everything else seems to be recycled HGB and BGB scenes.
Savage Gangbang appears to be very similar to old school Hardcore Gangbang. very rough, DVP, DAP, etc. Which makes sense since Princess Donna was also in charge of that channel early on. I haven't watched any of the New scenes yet. It's an extra. $19.99 a month to subscribe to that channel, for early access. Kink will be releasing them in the coming months for regular Kink Prime subscribers, though. I emailed Kink's support team, and it looks like they're aiming for 3 New scenes a week on that channel. So if you're really into gangbangs, it's probably a fair deal. Kink is also planning on other exclusive Director channels. Savage Gangbang is just the first one to launch. But I don't have any information about what else is in the works, yet. I presume Matt Williams's new channel is going this route and could be the next one to be announced.
I highly doubt TTO makes a comeback anytime soon. The porn industry has just changed too much. And in this instance, probably for the best. FT is more likely, with those kind of "step-family" taboo scenes still being so popular now. But I have my doubts. The only director that channel ever had was Ex Libris, and they were let go when Kink moved from San Francisco to Las Vegas. I think PD is the most likely, with Princess Donna back directing for Kink again. If it is revived, it will probably go the same route as SGB. A $19.99 Exclusive Channel, with the content eventually finding its way back over to the basic Kink channel.
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This sucks. I haven't been the biggest fan of a lot of his Everything Butt shoots. But he's also been directing scenes for other channels. Like Whipped Ass and Divine Bitches. And a revival of TS Pussy Hunters. And he had a lot of interesting scenes in the works.
So with Lydia out. Charlotte presumably out. And now Arclyte also out. I can't help but think that EB will be going back on hiatus after they're done releasing all the scenes they have left in the can. Unless they hire a new Director ASAP. But honestly, who is there? And besides, I don't think that is something you'd want to rush.
Just saw the trailer for Vile Vixen's gangbang. 10/10 Bravo Donna! This is what kink has been missing for nearly a decade. Can't wait to see what she does next :D
Hi there, anyone knows what's happening with savage gangbangs? No new scenes for about 3 weeks. I've send them a mail, but no reply. A bit of wasting my money with the extra subscription on this so-called exclusive channel at Kink.
Princess Donna is no longer working for Kink. She departed months ago. She's exclusively on Only Fans now. Last I saw, she was attempting to raise enough money to launch her own subscription based website. I have no idea what happened. Matt Williams also left Kink earlier this year, before his Last Resort series was released on Kink Features over the summer. And D. Arclyte was let go recently at the request of a consultant. There's no love lost between any of them and Peter Acworth. There's a long list of former directors, models and employees with distain for Acworth. Donna's scenes never really did much for me. Gangbangs aren't really my thing. Neither is electricity play. Admittedly, I haven't checked out enough Public Disgrace to weigh in on that. But I was always more interested in channels like Whipped Ass, Everything Butt, TS Pussy Hunters, and Claire Adams's scenes for Hogtied and Device Bondage.However, I tried out SGB because I do appreciate good quality BDSM porn. And Princess Donna makes good quality BDSM porn.
But to answer your question. Because Princess Donna is no longer with Kink. I presume Kink has either run out of SGB scenes to upload. Or are about to, so they're spreading the uploads further apart. And yes. It is extremely shitty that Kink hasn't disclosed any of this officially, and isn't more honest and transparent with the customers.
Geez. Well thanks for the update Pathos. Why is Acworth determined to run this company into the ground. I've said it before but if kink was smart and had kept the armory, focused on in house productions they'd probably be an industry powerhouse and benefit MASSIVELY from the rise of onlyfans models. Can I ask what your thoughts are on the company Pathos?
^Just to add my two cents: It really seems like Kink is a shadow of its former self. To be fair, I've never been a big BDSM fan. However, I started subscribing a few years back because quite a few G/G performers I really liked who were strap-on specialists only seemed to shoot that kind of content for Kink. Those same performers were also some of the site's most prolific stars.
And when taking stock of those: Isis Love stopped shooting for them years ago, Claire Adams retired, Rain DeGrey also left (though she did keep shooting for Matt Williams's 'Intersec' studio for a bit), Aiden Starr still appears here and there but very limited, Ariel X started her own sites but will sell her clips on Kink's site. It really feels like all their most prolific creators have moved on or retired.
Thanks Pathos for your clarification. To me it seems a bit weird after all that fuss about launching this new channel that already seems dead. Worse is that they just take your money and don't inform you. I consider that theft. So the only thing that is left is to cancel my subscription straight away.
I don't have enough characters to fully express how I feel. But in a nutshell. I agree. Acworth is running Kink into the ground. Stupid and dishonest business practices. The term sociopath is thrown around a lot to describe him. And it's unconscionable that he would discontinue popular channels like Whipped Ass and Fucking Machines. I kinda do understand the move to Vegas. But getting rid of Fivestar and the rest of the San Francisco team? I have a hard time making sense of that one. I have a lot of respect for him, but I think The Pope has too much control over everything. Whether he sought it or it was thrust upon him.He currently directs 4/6 of the active channels, and has a lot of influence over the other 2. He's like the only rigger left at Kink, and he mentors Leigh Raven and Charlotte Sartre. Leigh has potential, but her Mistress Baby persona is very manic. I'd really prefer she was in charge of Whipped Ass instead of Divine Bitches. Charlotte has had a few very good scenes, maybe like half a dozen or so. But most of them are just there. After the Lydia Black thing happened and Lydia becane a pariah, I honestly think she's over directing for Kink and just doing it for the money. Her new passion project seems to be her personal website. Can't say I really blame her. But now that that has launched, maybe she'll refocus back on EB again. Arclyte did have some good ideas and he seems like a nice guy. The talent he works with all seem to really like him. But his scenes are some of the lowest rated ever on Kink. He was never able to put everything together. The scene with Victoria Voxx and Nicole Aria for EB was truly great, though. The Evelyn Ink and Charlotte Sins on Kink Test Shoots was also strong. Everything else, not so much. But Divine Bitches isn't my jam, so I'm a little biased. The Kira Noir and Cole Church scene on DB also has a really good rating, iirc. Overall, there's just not much genuine intensity, aggression, passion or emotion in Kink's scenes anymore. I was hoping the returns of Matt Williams and Princess Donna would breathe some life back into Kink. But it didn't happen.
I did let my annual subscription renew last month, so I'm not going anywhere. But the future looks bleak.
And for the record, I have no inside information. I'm just an insightful fan with a Twitter account, a knack for digging up information on the internet and a lot of free time.
A lot of the directors from the glory days left because they got fed up with Peter Acworth's bullshit and the cutback from weekly to biweekly updates. Matt, Donna, Claire, Tomcat, Orlando, etc. Matt Williams explained it in a Twitter thread a few years ago. I shared it In this forum, but it was wiped after the cyber attack. Ariel X left around the time Acworth sold the Armory to start Evolved Fights, a spiritual successor to Ultimate Surrender. So did Maitresse Madeline, who I believe is involved with an independent film studio outside of porn. She does have an Only Fans and a Loyalfans. And I believe she might also still be a professional dominatrix. And Aiden Starr and James Mogul left at the beginning of the pandemic. I remember Aiden tweeted out her resignation, and discussed her decision on Holly Randall's podcast. She went by Kieren Kurai as director. She had to go by a different name because of her contract with Evil Angel. I don't know if James also resigned, or if he was just never brought back. He's retired now, though. He builds BDSM furniture.
Yep. Really almost everything from 2006 or 2007 through the mid 2010's is unmatched greatness. I'm not gonna say they're finished just yet, but it will take an awful lot to turn thing's around.
I know. It's very frustrating and puzzling. A lot of those scenes were filmed last year, too. Donna first tweeted about her comeback, and a lot of the scenes she was filming that just released within the last couple months, in August, 2022. Usually scenes are uploaded a couple months after filming. Although Princess Donna's scenes do seem to have a lot of post production put into them. I can't confirm she's done with Kink with absolute certainty. But I'm pretty sure of it. If you have a basic Kink Premium subscription, maybe keep that. And just cancel the Savage Gangbang subscription. Or wait and see if you get an email back before your next rebill.
Here's the Twitter thread about her future plans. https://x.com/princessdonna/status/1692978826148487661?s=61&t=kgnQSjBmyJFzFKrP87_qlQ Public Deviance is what she's calling this new endeavor.
^ Pathos - thanks for all the detailed and useful information on Kink. I'm certain I'm not the only person who appreciates your insight.
Two quick questions:
1) You mentioned that Charlotte Sartre now has her own website. I searched for it but can't find it. Do you know the name of it?
2) The past times I've joined Kink it was an all-in bundle unlike the old days. Is Savage Gang Bangs different? Does it require a stand-alone membership?
Fantastic write up Pathos. Appreciate your insight. I'm curious if you think the brand can be salvaged. Seems like the future of porn is just Onlyfans, Vixen, and Analvids. I don't think most mindgeek/gamma stuff is gonna survive.
gothcharlotte.com It's just a bunch of her Only Fans and Loyalfans scenes. Can be purchased individually for $6 each or a subscription unlocks everything. I think a monthly subscription is like $25 or $30.
That's right. Kink Premium subscriptions are all inclusive, except for Savage Gangbamg. SGB isn't just gangbangs, it's a mix of Hardcore Gangbang and Public Disgrace. A lot of HGB scenes and some PD scenes. It's $30 a month. But honestly, I wouldn't bother with it. The last update was September 12, almost a month ago. Unless there are scenes that you need to see and can't wait. Those scenes will eventually make it over to HGB and PD, respectively. Some of them already have.
I do think Kink can be salvaged. But like I said, it will take a lot. And it would start with Acworth just getting out of his own way. Being more open with the members and doing a way better job promoting and advertising future projects. currently Kink doesn't really do either. The new compound and relocating everything had to be very expensive. And all that money wasn't spent for nothing. I'm sure efforts will be and are being made. But is there another glory period in the works? I'm skeptical. Doesn't mean they can't consistently make good content again. But there's no going backward. And the time in the Armory was really something special.
I know it's not easy. Credit card companies and payment processors restricting content, age verification laws and the LGBTQ community, really all sexual expression on the internet, being under constant attack, etc.
Mind Geek isn't going anywhere. They have too much money. Same for Gamma. Wouldn't want them to, either. Even though I don't have any interest in Mind Geek, although I am a fan of a lot of the models they've signed to exclusive contracts. Especially Cherie Deville. I do have subscriptions to Evil Angel and Dogfart, both owned by Gamma. And have been a subscriber to Adulttime, also Gamma. But that's for an entirely separate thread. Only Fans is the best and worst thing to happen to porn. Great for the talent. Not so great for everyone else. But even a lot of OF creators are getting fed up with that platform and looking for alternatives. Again, that's for a separate thread.
She didn't actually say she was Kieren Kurai, just that she had to go by a different name when she was directing for Kink. Because of her contract with Evil Angel. Iirc, she also said something similar on the Pornhub Podcast with Asa Akira. Both podcasts are well worth a listen. But if you read the bio for Kieren Kurai on Kink, that's clearly about Aiden Starr. And if you watch any of those Kieren Kurai scenes, it's clearly Aiden's voice conducting the before and after interviews that Kink does.
FYI Today I finally got a mail back from Kink with the message that Savage Gangbangs is discontinued. So that's the end of that, shame. Have nice weekend.
That's fair. But to my point, no one asked you to change anything. Those scenes were credited to Kieren Kurai, not Aiden Starr. I was just pointing out that they're the same person.
There it is. Definitely a shame. The exclusive Director thing was doomed from the start. I can't imagine anyone at Kink honestly thought it was going to work.
It's pure pretentiousness, with a marketing angle. Many fetish content consumers - particularly those who enjoy the less mainstream stuff - consider themselves "connoisseurs" and when a Director repeatedly makes a certain bit or type of content that is well-received by them or a well-received or notable/infamous Performer becomes a Director, the brands will sign them to contracts, to attract those who are rabid fans of what they made and are willing to pay for the work. It can be good initially, but often doesn't go well in the end.
Thanks for the response. I guess that makes sense. But other than Princess Donna and Pope are there really directors other people care about that much?
For some fetish Directors, there has occasionally been a small vocal bunch that follows and promotes everything they do, and many porn sites/studios don't always bother or want to disclose who directs a scene, so the notion that many people are clamoring for the latest Directorial work from Supreme Cock Lord Blibbety Blah-Blah-McBlah-Blah is not necessarily something that holds water or has much truth in reality, even if the Director is known. It's really Performers and substance of content that get the attention and attract subscriber/VOD money. It's always been that way and it will always be that way.
^ Your partially right. Performers and substance garner attention and drive subscriptions. Your not wrong about that. But bad direction and/or poor production can absolutely ruin content, and tank subs.
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