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| imsorry Deactivated User Fortune presents gifts not according to the book. 43 Posts 8/09 |  Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 2:55AM[Link] |
| JohnHenry Member 165 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 3:23AM Shalalin, The excuse "people who watch porn on tube sites wouldn't have paid for it anyway" doesn't hold water. If there *is* no 'free' (i.e. pirated) porn, sooner or later the porn consumer is going to purchase it. It's laughable to imagine a guy is going to surf into a major porn site network, find that all he can get access to is trailers, to simply be content with them. Sooner or later, he's going to pull out his credit card. imsorry, Saw your post over there, will offer more thoughts later; but in short, Deep Throat wasn't so much a social experience as a novelty. It was testing the legal waters, in a way that hadn't really been done before. In practice, viewing porn isn't any more of a social experience any more than taking a dump. More to the point, a kid walks into a shop with his mom and dad. He's likely to ask his folks to buy a candy bar. Same kid walks into the shop the next day alone, and the cashier is in the back. Even if the kid does have the money to buy the candy bar, there's a much better chance that he's going to stuff five into his pocket and walk right out. People are simply more tempted to steal when they are alone, and feel they will get away with it. John [Link] |
BlackSix  All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 3:52AM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 10:26AM [Link] |
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| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 10:34AM Is this really impossible? I know that there is copy protection on most DVDs, but it seems like a third-grader can find software to go around it. Would it be cost prohibitive to encode this stuff such that it couldn't be stolen? Honestly, I think that people will steal content from the internet as long as they can. I honestly don't do it, but a huge number of people do. The legal recourse is too "needle-in-a-hay-stack" to really make a dent, either. The moral argument, while correct, doesn't dissuade people. It is going to have to be a technological one...or one in which the production costs can be lowered to increase the profit margin on what does sell--again, not likely. Edited by - fu_q on 8/14/2009 10:35:21 AM [Link] |
| Randomizer Member 234 Posts 6/08 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 10:49AM That said, there's no shortage of banner ads and popups on all the adult sites, even though none of it is from Proctor & Gamble. OK, sure, I'm sure they're not paying the rates that P&G would be willing to pay, but still, there are plenty of non-mainstream companies out there that want to target guys with too much time on their hands. It could certainly support a website and the production of some content. I think the more fundamental problem than piracy is the fact there will ALWAYS be amateur college students who want to upload themselves having sex. That's what happens when it costs essentially nothing to film it (on a crappy webcam) and distribute it (on a tube site) -- you will always have people giving it away for FREE. It's going to be tough for commercial porn to compete with free, even if it isn't pirated. All the porn studios could fold up shop tomorrow, and there would still be no shortage of new material... it would just be grainy, amateur stuff. But what it lacks in production values is occasionally more than made up for in genuine erotic appeal... I'd say the top 5 scenes I've ever watched were all amateurs doing what comes naturally. The problem is you have to find it among the 99% that's just guys uploading themselves cumming all over themselves. [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 11:32AM BTW, what "return policy" should there be on a rental? Many people rent to see if they like something before buying. There's no question that there are false advertising, misleading claims and cover shots and outright rip-offs in porn. For a little perspective, you should have gone through and put up with what we did in the 1970's. Today's young people you refer to, not only have never been ripped-off by the porn industry like we used to be, but bitch, loudly and viciously, about things (e.g. porn) they haven't spent any money on in the first place. So, don't rent or buy product from studios, producers, directors and businesses that consistently let you down. All you have been doing is justifying theft of copyrighted material. There are studios, producers and directors that deliver quality porn routinely -- and have for years. Mike Quasar and Greg Alves (3rd Degree, Zero Tolerance, and going back) are top-notch. Other great studios include Evil Angel, Evil Empire, New Sensations/Digital Sin, Jules Jordan Video and others. I have never known any of these studios to produce anything other than top-notch porn and market it honestly. So, does their product deserve to be stolen because someone has had a bad porn experience somewhere else? The Internet exposes people for what they are. People say and do things on the Internet because they "can," believing there are no consequences and that they do so anonymously and will never be held accountable. There is no business model that competes with free. Stop insulting the grownups already. [Link] |
| imsorry Deactivated User Fortune presents gifts not according to the book. 43 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 3:08PM I disagree that Deep Throat was a novelty. To the contrary, I believe Deep Throat was a great success! Deep Throat made anywhere from 100 million to 600 million. Think about that in 1970's dollars. It etched itself into the public consciousness so much so that a Watergate informant was named after the piece. All of the actors charged with obscenity later got their charges dropped on appeal and the mafia leaders who were in charge went to prison. Good guys win, bad guys lose. Unfortunately, the Jack Van Impe's of the world convinced the general public over the next two decades that sex in film was gross. Raincoaters who couldn't hold it till they got home were supposedly doing all sorts of nasty things in the theaters. Was this in the large majority of those theaters? I think not! This coupled with the advent of the VCR make the censorship more easy. However, I still don't think the market is gone for a large, well done porn movie that can be shown in theaters. While no easy task, if several studios got together and compiled their resources, it could be done. I don't see what your story about the kid in the candy shop has to do with anything about Deep Throat. I guess this is about piracy. Listen; If I honesty felt that negatively about human behavior (that every kid hasn't been taught the difference between right and wrong), I would want to off myself. The solution is to talk to the parents the next time they come in and make them aware of the theft. If they don't pay up then tell them you'd rather not have them visit your store anymore. Unfortunately, the system is not set up for there being a way to keep those "kids" out of "candy bars" on the Net and I agree that technology needs to be put in place to make sure it doesn't happen. I know what you're talking about, but instead of being angry I'm just sad for the kid. Kids are blank slates, and what is written on them by parents/peers is hard to undo. Sad for what they've lost in that they don't have someone that cares enough about them to show them the right way to behave. They're probably going to be a social outcast, have no friends, be hunted by the law later because of this. When it gets to the point that someone is doing something vindictively, you know they've been scarred. That's when I say to myself: "someone has to step up to the bat, and that someone might as well be me". [Link] |
| imsorry Deactivated User Fortune presents gifts not according to the book. 43 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 3:18PM I have no ability to rent porn. I live in an area where porn is largely frowned upon and it's hard to get porn to. This is not by choice. It's hard to avoid a studio entirely because so many of the people who work in the biz go back and forth between studios. Also, studios change over time and become better or worse. It's like wine, you have your good years and your bad years. I agree with you that the human mind can justify just about anything it wants to and that there needs to be some accountability. It would be a real shame if some of that free user uploaded porn that websites weren't responsible for had some kind of untraceable virus that would wipe out their computers. That would be just awful. Edited by - imsorry on 8/14/2009 3:38:19 PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 5:05PM Yes, there is no disagreement that the select companies that you listed above offer quality product, but not everyone is perfect every time. However, those companies are responsible for 250 releases a year (estimated for conversation purposes only.) Given that porn is "star" driven, most consumers rent/purchase the "girls" first, then the company providing them. Everyone rents porn for different reasons, so what do you do when you see the girl on the box cover doing what you want to watch? Do you take a chance on the cover or say "no, I can't take a chance on this release, I better stick with Andi Anderson doing only one guy in a NS/DS release versus another company's promise of her doing a 5 guy I/R!" Since the above companies aren't providing that type of scene conceivably, what do you do? Since there are 9750 (est) other porn releases a year, sometimes you deviate from those few companies. So you rent from them. There lies the problem mentioned in your 3rd paragraph included above. The rip offs when acknowledged happen and have been going on since the 70's. You use the term "put up with" and "have never been ripped off by the porn industry like we used to," and "consistently let you down" yourself. One interpretation of your paragraphs above is that you are saying that the porn consumer should sit back and take it because that's the way its always been. Not saying you are saying that, but in a court, that's how I'd be interpreting it. Your words above could be used for anyone to justify getting some free porn on the net. And it doesn't necessarily have to be someone young, it could be the average middle aged consumoer. I'm not saying its right, but to use a different example, if every time I said hi to you, you slapped me in the face, am I supposed to constant say hi to you and get hit in the face, or should I wait until its dark and sneak up behind you, catch you off guard and pummel you? Chances are most of the people getting the free stuff, that's the way they feel and justify it, regardless of who's material it is. What's that saying that everyone' s mother uses on them, "Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!" And don't think I not aware of the situation. I see it all the time in my job, people try to take advantage of me and I get right in their faces. Given the nature of concerts and the entertainment industry, they feel they can buy the $10 ticket and sit in the $150 seats. When I question them, they say "Lighten up man, it's a concert!" Like being at a concert is supposed to make it okay, anyway, "I get right in their face and ask them where they work so on Monday I'll come down to "their" job and take advantage of them. Since its face to face and I can be intimidating, their tune changes real quick, but that's all face to face. FTR, a free rental or a refund for a bad rental wouldn't be out of line. At the concert venue I work at, we'll issue a refund to guests unhappy with a show up until 3/4 of the way through it if they are unhappy with the show. And the answer to the question of "does their product deserve to be stolen because of bad experiences elsewhere?" No it doesn't, but did the convenience stores deserve the wrath of angry gas purchasing consumers last year when gas was over $4? No they didn't; but they're the ones that got blamed and they are the ones that suffered while Exxon posted record profits. Edited by - rosco fuji on 8/14/2009 5:09:24 PM Edited by - rosco fuji on 8/14/2009 5:10:00 PM [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 6:46PM As a matter-of-fact, Mike Quasar is one of the most respected people in the business. BTW, what "return policy" should there be on a rental? Many people rent to see if they like something before buying. There's no question that there are false advertising, misleading claims and cover shots and outright rip-offs in porn. For a little perspective, you should have gone through and put up with what we did in the 1970's. Today's young people you refer to, not only have never been ripped-off by the porn industry like we used to be, but bitch, loudly and viciously, about things (e.g. porn) they haven't spent any money on in the first place. So, don't rent or buy product from studios, producers, directors and businesses that consistently let you down. All you have been doing is justifying theft of copyrighted material. There are studios, producers and directors that deliver quality porn routinely -- and have for years. Mike Quasar and Greg Alves (3rd Degree, Zero Tolerance, and going back) are top-notch. Other great studios include Evil Angel, Evil Empire, New Sensations/Digital Sin, Jules Jordan Video and others. I have never known any of these studios to produce anything other than top-notch porn and market it honestly. So, does their product deserve to be stolen because someone has had a bad porn experience somewhere else? The Internet exposes people for what they are. People say and do things on the Internet because they "can," believing there are no consequences and that they do so anonymously and will never be held accountable. There is no business model that competes with free. Stop insulting the grownups already. Rosco Fuji wrote:Actually, "most" seasoned strokers factor studio and director right up there, if not even more important than, the girl. This has been discussed here on ADT in the past. Sure, it is the girl that first attracts your interest, but you can't necessarily make good decisions thinking with your dick. As much as I love Jenna Haze, I'm not about to buy something from Leisure Time because they claim to have her in it. I also take the time to consider the male talent. If a girl is paired with one of the three or four studs I just don't care for, that's a pass for me as well.I suggested "So, don't rent or buy product from studios, producers, directors and businesses that consistently let you down." Most English speakers would not interpret that to mean "sit back and take it."You were the one justifying why they do it. In fact, I pointed that out when I said "All you have been doing is justifying theft of copyrighted material."So, have you made this connection with how porn studios and workers feel about having their work and investment stolen from them? I think I pointed this out when I said... "The Internet exposes people for what they are. People say and do things on the Internet because they "can," believing there are no consequences and that they do so anonymously and will never be held accountable. There is no business model that competes with free."Wouldn't this be between you and the store you do business with? Giving a regular customer a free rental, to make up for a bad experience, costs the business absolutely nothing (they still have your rental fee, and still possess the DVD). How does this become the studio's problem to make good to you?The front-line employees are always the ones to hear and take the shit. It's that face-to-face thing again, isn't it? I don't think many people "blamed" them for it, however. As a matter-of-fact, many gas stations actually went out-of-business as a result of the high gas prices. Why, you ask? Because, they still were only paid the 15-to-20-cents/per gallon, with the rest going to the oil companies, regardless of how much the retail price was. Why should this make any difference, you ask? Because, 80% of gas purchases are done with credit cards. Assuming gas stations are paying their credit card processor 2-to-3% (typical), when a gallon of gas retails for $4.00, they are paying 8-to-12 cents/per gallon to the credit card processors (leaving them with only 3-to-12 cents/per gallon gross profit). (FYI, I traveled the entire U.S. by car last year, during the worst of the high gas prices, for about six weeks. The most I paid for gas was $4.99/per gallon in San Luis Obispo, CA.) MANY gas stations at that time had "CASH ONLY NO CREDIT CARDS" signs out at the pumps. [Link] |
| hollywood woody Senior Member Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 7:14PM [Link] |
| JohnHenry Member 165 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 9:05PM If we were talking about $150 porn movie rentals, that'd be one thing. Indeed, you're 'renting' a seat in a concert, for $150; you don't consider that to be unreasonable? If people could sneak in to watch the concert for free, without the venue having a meaningful way to catch or prevent them, what are the odds they'll pay the $150? With so many concert goers not paying the $150, it wouldn't take long before quality bands stop performing, and the only people willing to stand up on stage are those who'd do it for free, for a quality that reflects their willingness. A porn DVD costs between $10 and $20 nowadays. Put in perspective, that's what I expect to pay (per person) when I take Charlotte out for dinner. I can certainly cook a meal at home for $3 a person. It's how much I expect to pay for a cover for my cell phone. It's how much you might pay the neighbor kid to shovel your driveway. If you spend $10 on a DVD and end up not liking the quality, you're out ten dollars. The only reason anyone is justifying the piracy of DVDs here is because it's easy to do, not because it's actually expensive. (This will follow a South Park episode.) If you watch a whole movie in the theater, hate the movie, and go to the manager and demand a refund, what does he do? Why do you feel that your rental of a porn video is somehow different? If you can't afford to occasionally 'waste' 5$ on a rental of a movie that didn't meet your standards, you probably shouldn't be spending it on porn in the first place, and producers aren't going to be interested in the $20 a year you're going to put in the industry anyway. John [Link] |
| imsorry Deactivated User Fortune presents gifts not according to the book. 43 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 9:59PM Edited by - imsorry on 8/15/2009 3:53:19 PM [Link] |
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| undone Deactivated User what's for dinner? 214 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 14 2009 : 10:56PM I think I'll start a new company...u pick the scenes and we put them on dvd. 5 scenes for $10. work the numbers. I don't care how much money anyone makes...I want LOTS of new 18 year olds. [Link] |
| BrekkyDJ Member Australia 246 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 12:30AM That's is coming up with a new video format for computers. That is, we know there is .flv and .wmv etc... A porn company needs to team up with a software development company and figure away of a new video coding, and for those that subscribe to the site download software that will be able to play that type of file. You maybe able to encrypt it, but after awhile someone may figure away around it (I did with CD ripping - that was too easy). It may not be an ideal solution, but it's an idea. What we do know is the free/pirate sites are here to stay. Even if they are stopped in their current form, people will find away around it. What needs to be done now is to figure a way to protect new content coming out OR a complete rethink on how porn is made and distrubted. No doubt, someone one day will think of it and make a s**t load of $$$. BrekkyDJ (in Melbourne, Australia - where we don't make porn) [Link] |
| Jeff Mullen Member Hall of Famer -Time to get out 219 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 4:40AM We like to think that our X-Play titles (not very many compared to the bigger companies that are being praised)offer plenty of value and I can tell you that we really go out of our way with every release to give the consumer the most value we can pack into a package. Mike Q's point about no longer purchasing from a company that 'rips' you off is valid. There was a restaurant right across the street from my office that served me a lousy hot dog one day soon after they opened. Bad day for them I am sure but I never returned and they went out of business. Now the place is a coffee joint and I don't drink coffee. The point? Not really sure other than paint your fucking coffee joint green like Starbucks instead of brown. "There has to be a morning after," sang Maureen Montgomery back in 1976. I am all in favor of thinning out the ranks of lousy porn companies in favor of a more robust line-up of producers that the fans can appreciate. I hope I see that 'morning after' but as quite possibly the director that sells the largest amount of units per release with the exception of DP and their Pirate and Babysitter franchises I just don't think my company or any of us will be around in a few years. Still, X-Play continues to dump large amounts of money into production including a hefty budget for our upcoming sex comedy Flight Attendants because we want to create special movies. Not all of you like our sitcums and movies and that is fine but enough do around the country to make this a really fun job and I don't want to go back into the music business. I did that for 20 years before and I left because of piracy WTF? BTW: If you liked Airplane you will love Flight Attendants. Johnny Darko makes good sense too with his point that no matter how you slice it, dice it and whip it; theft is an ugly thing and should be stopped. Our Federal government should be ashamed of their inability to stop this obvious problem. There is no grey area in my opinion. One last thing- this morning my editor asked me if I wanted the FBI warning on the front of the Not Married with Children XXX DVD when it opens up because they had forgotten to put it at the head of the movie and I replied for what? That FBI logo is about as useless as balls on goose, tits on a bull or a confirmed date with a porn star. Have a great weekend everybody. [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 5:15AM the most amusing aspect of threads like these are that the people suggesting "alternate business models" are the ones who have no experience in our industry. next is that when vomiting up these nebulous "alternate business models" the same people frequently cite red herrings like itunes. isn't the content for itunes ancillary to the HARDWARE player? also amusing is how these people always support the illegal use of legal tech, with a healthy dose of irrational speculations: a) "most" people are tired of paying for crap so they download to sample first b) "tube" sites are populated with user-uploaded content c) etc i know jeff (maybe mike too) was at the summit in november where Sony, NBC Universal, MPAA, SoundExchange, and Universal Music Group discussed piracy. i guess it's a strange coincidence that NONE of them found these "alternate business plans" to be credible either. Edited by - arkdvd on 8/15/2009 5:41:05 AM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 5:39AM here's my take on the FBI anti-piracy warning seal. acquiring the licensing for the FBI anti-piracy warning seal is similar to paying for copyright registration; it gives a possible future complaint teeth. you may never litigate for copyright infringement, but it's nice to know that with your copyright registered, statutory damages for willful infringement can be $150,000 a pop. [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 10:36AM [Link] |
| fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 11:29AM http://www.myspace.com/arkdvd [Link] |
| undone Deactivated User what's for dinner? 214 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 11:37AM There is a reason why the industry insiders are loosing...they are NOT listening. Shut the FU and be grateful the consumers spend their time here. It costs a lot more to obtain new customers than it does getting more money out of those who already want your product. Are there ANY directors, producers, owners who have an education in marketing/business? Please post who? I have spent $150,000 on pornography in my life...maybe I know something you don't. [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 11:40AM you may have located one company. i own three. [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 11:58AM listening doesn't seem to prevent the theft of ZT and VIVID IP. but let those two gentlemen (and others) mention "piracy" and then which side of the equation stops listening?in fact, i'm grateful that producers, talent AND fans all spend their time here. there needs to be a venue (virtual or otherwise) where fans of adult product can discuss their pastime. [Link] |
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| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 12:01PM [Link] |
| Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 1:24PM Consumers are like, "we're disgruntled cause your product sucks and there is SO much shit movies we can't even wade through it." Pornographers are like, "Irrelevant points - you're stealing our shit." Rinse. Wash. Repeat. [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 1:39PM [Link] |
| pegpelvispete Member 286 Posts 6/09 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 1:57PM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 2:12PM re: the issue of a glut of (inferior) product and over-saturation, doesn't free market competition eventually eliminate the stragglers? doesn't the multitude of review sites and forums such as ADT lead to consumers "gravitating" toward the best quality product? it's untenable to suggest an "alternate business model" when content thieves are seeking to create a gift economy to produce for. [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 3:00PM I recently worked at a place where the owner would insult me often because I buy and rent movies. He illegally downloads them online and would laugh at me for paying for mine. When people didn't pay their bills to him though, he would throw a fit. He didn't see that it was the same situation. This attitude is what needs to be changed. Porn, music and movie companies can change their models all they want but aren't going to do well until the public is taught they need to pay for their goods again. Plain and simple. [Link] |
| Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 5:10PM [Link] |
| Christopher256 Member 146 Posts 8/05 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 5:44PM Though I think people who do download for free under most circumstances would have not bought that item legally if that was their only option. They either don't have the money or don't have the respect for the product that they would buy it for it's price. That's why these figures about how many billions the movie or music industry loses from this are highly inflated. There's no doubt there is a significant effect to piracy, it's just not quite as large as they claim. The porn industry has to decide what model it wants to go by. I think it has to get cheeper. I don't know if the itunes model will be the best. I suspect something of a bigger package for a monthly fee similar to Bang Bros or VideoBox will maybe fair better. In any case I suspect things won't be so gloomy once we come out of the recession. Edited by - Christopher256 on 8/15/2009 5:47:20 PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 6:33PM 1. Truthfully, are the shows my company puts on worth the $87.50- $225.00 that we charge? IMMO, hell no, but it's not my job to voice my opinion on the worth of the show. When you're dealing with very high level A list shows that can only be scene in 1 place, the exclusivity of the show drives the price, and it sells out 6 months in advance and people come from around the world to see it. 2. I'm only out $10-$20?? Why is the consumers $$ any less important than yours? 3. Why should the consumer have to accept "wasting" $ on something? You're the second person in the past few days that is basically saying, "shut up and get ripped off!" [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 6:47PM I thought I read a cover story in US News or Time a while back about John Stagliano having a PhD in Economics. [Link] |
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| BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 7:41PM I think pirating, although real, is much less of factor in the industry's decline compared to the economic collapse and failure to adapt to changing environment (specifically digital environment). When a recession is the worst on record since WWII, almost all industries are going to see major failures and damage. The newspaper/news industry is going thru major failures because many companies failed to adapt to changing business models. Although piracy is real & significant, I think piracy gets scapegoated when it's not as relevant all the time just like violence in media causing real world violence. [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Aug 15 2009 : 8:25PM My experiences are only with American people in general so I didn't want to lump in any other countries into my statements. The situation may be the same other places but I didn't feel it fair to add in cultures I've had no experiences with. [Link] |
| ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 1:01AM [Link] |
| pornologist Member 724 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 1:47AM It is customary, when quoting people, to actually quote their words -- and NOT mix their words and your own into a single mixed-up epistle, and attribute it to them. Therefore, I have removed my actual words from your post, removed "BigBobxxx wrote" and retitled your thoughts as "In response to BigBobxxx." -- BigBobxxx In response to BigBobxxx: xxx I couldn't agree with you more, I stopped buying Evil Angel, Adam & Eve and Anabolic / Diabolic dvds years ago. xxx You were a big supported of Tricia Devereaux and Evil Angels a few years ago,when they knowingly left defective ( DVD rot ) discs on stores, vendors and distributors shelfs at the customers expense. It's been about four years since I watched my Evil Angel dvds turn into expensive coaster. Stand by their product thats a joke, 13 of my dvds were never replaced by Evil Angel, Tricia's answer t o my inquiry, there out of stock. xxx No, but it nice to know that Karma has caught-up with some of these sh#t companies, its only sad that the good ones are being hurt as well. xxx This is the attitude of Evil Angel, Adam & Eve and Anabolic / Diabolic xxx For those interested... Here is the Long Term Degrading of Evil Angel DVD Discs (page 3) thread to which pornologist refers. -- BigBobxxx Edited by - BigBobxxx on 8/16/2009 8:33:17 AM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 2:33AM the adult industry is a profession populated by people with differing levels of education. how pompous that some here assume they may sneer down their noses at the imagined academic shortcomings of others. didn't william asher at vivid do his undergrad at ivy league dartmouth? didn't he receive his MBA from USC (a top 25 US MBA institution)? last november, gram ponante posed a question to an EVP from MPAA, an EVP from Sony BMG, a SVP of Warner Brothers, and an EVP from Universal but they didn't have an answer. i'm sure gram is kicking himself now in retrospect, because he could've obtained several trite responses in this thread. "I asked whether the pursuit of myriad new tech-based revenue streams that might prove buggy or temporary yielded a net gain. Myself, I can only pursue a risk so far before I need some proof that it will make money. How to do this for dozens of new media? No one seemed to advocate anything other than follow every rabbit down every rabbit hole." Edited by - arkdvd on 8/16/2009 2:33:58 AM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 4:38AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 8:26AM I've been buying less DVD's since 2008 and I'm joining more websites because of a few reasons: 1. Decline of DVD's being released. In the good old days I use to buy almost every release from companies like Evasive Angles, West Coast Productions, The Candy Shop and Hush Hush for example but I noticed a big decline in the quality they make now. It's not the same anymore, not to mention that a lot of series aren't being released anymore, great series I use to collect every volume of like Phat Azz White Girls for example. Hell, even Rodney Moore movies are dropping in quality because Rodney decided to put other guys infront of the camera so his movies are becoming too pro instead of the pro-am movies they always were IMO. These days I mostly buy stuff from companies like Black Market and Justin Slayer International. JSI seems to be the only company that's actually releasing better stuff, like higher quality stuff so they will get my money. 2. The reason why I also don't buy DVD's is because I would rather join the site where the content comes from. I mean sure when I buy the DVD I can watch it on a bigger screen and upscale the quality even but I hate to think that I'm actually watching a shorter version of the scene while on the website they have the original version. And some scenes are being cut a lot. Like the internet scenes is like 40 minutes long but they same scene on DVD is like 30 minutes long. And tha's why I hate these guys who cut scenes because they think the intro and tease isn't important for the guys who buy the DVD, WRONG!!! That's why I see no reason to buy meanbitches stuff on DVD released by Evil Angel and Kick Ass Productions because you know you will get an inferior product but when you talk about it they act all like they know what we fans like and don't like! 3. The prices of porn on blu-ray is CRAZY! I mean especially if you compare it to mainstream movies. I love movies on BR but the prices must drop fast otherwise I would rather watch the upscaled DVD version on my PS3. [Link] |
| elgringoviejo58 Senior Member 1460 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 1:26PM [Link] |
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| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 2:38PM [Link] |
| imsorry Deactivated User Fortune presents gifts not according to the book. 43 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 2:46PM Connections = always something [Link] |
| Stud_Rob Member 703 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Aug 16 2009 : 3:30PM I suppose the problem with industry and any system is that someone may create something they think is full proof but there are loads of people who can think about it in another way and 'break it', like computers fantastic when they're away and working but take away something fundamental like electricity and well that's that lol. Someone asked a brilliant question earlier, who in their right mind buys a DVD/CD and then rips it to share with other people? That is such a good question, either this person is a very misguided philanthropist or just plain spiteful and evil. Like really, why would you do it? Take the time and also your own expense to do that, seems so odd to me. Anyway, this thread is very interesting. [Link] |
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