LA Times article on the decline of the industry (page 4)

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JohnHenry Member 165 Posts 3/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 12:52PM Zoid, I came across this. http://www.ready-solutions.com/Visacard.html I'm sure there must be other types of services available. Something like 500,000 businesses accepting Visa, and 400,000 accepting MasterCard tell me that someone in Germany uses these cards. John [Link]
poloprinz Member We didn't bring a compass 'cause we ain't got nowhere to go 173 Posts 4/09	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 3:45PM ^ Like I said, some of us Huns do use the CCs. And basically every regular card here also functions as a debit card. The prepaid cards are for people who have bad credit due to unfortunate events in the past, wouldn't get a regular card but still need one to buy stuff online where CC is the only method of payment. Or travelling. But still, you'll do more business with Germans if you offer other methods of payment, which most of the billing services already do btw. --- I almost forgot (had to go catch some sleep last night): JohnHenry wrote: Securing borders isn't the same as shutting them down. I'm simply contending that so long as milk is being given away, many people aren't likely to pay for it. Click to expand John, I'm sure that you have good reasons for your opinion on this, even if it, as you mentioned yourself, collides with personal beliefs. Of course, if you try to get your foot in the door, it's very hard to develop the long-term strategies I was alluding to because you simply don't have the resources. I'm in a priviledged position in this discussion, as it's not my future that is at stake. But how do you want to secure a border if not by shutting it down and opening it only for what you want to pass through? And if the control mechanisms you want are implemented, be it the electronic border (most likely government-controlled) or the proprietary format owned by cable companies, what do you think will happen? Do you see a bright future for the kind of content you want to create? Maybe I have a distorted view on this from the other side of the Atlantic, but to me it seems that neither the government nor the big companies in your country are very porn-friendly and are not likely to change that in the future. [Link]
Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 3:46PM John, acceptance of those cards in brick and mortar stores doesn't say much about how many locals actually have one... and whether or not they are willing to get one just to watch foreign porn on the Internet. As for services to get some kind of virtual prepaid card - they exist, but they are hardly convenient. [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 10:52PM poloprinz wrote: Here. Click to expand Oh man....I think I'm in love: [Image not found DB] The pic with Brandon's cock in her mouth is pretty epic too. [Link]

Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:05PM They just don't get any ALT-freaky than Miss Meg. I miss Miss Meg. If Vivid will have me, I am ready. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:08PM The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings! [Link]
Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:09PM Spoken like a man who has never removed the gauges from an elephantine earlobe and masturbated with it.... [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:16PM ^ [Link]
JohnHenry Member 165 Posts 3/09	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:38PM The new Alt-Porn sensation! Amidst complaints from viewers that anal sex has become passe, the latest craze in orifice desecration is gauged earlobes! When asked about her experience as one of the first to contribute to the growing sensation, the porn starlet could only reply "HUH? WHAT'D YOU SAY?" Coming soon, to your favorite bookstore.... [Link]
undone Deactivated User what's for dinner? 214 Posts 6/07	Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 9:29PM I'm thinking about letting a load go soon....maybe tomorrow nite...anyways, I am sick of this decline in the industry shit...I see all of the delicious young girls begging for my cum and think, let's get on a positive vibe...fuk it...don't bum me out, I want to think of this business as my playthings for my cock...figure it out, the best will survive and thrive. There is always opportunity....Find it! (I cannot analize this topic to deeply now...maybe after tomorrow nite.) [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 1:54AM Brandon Iron wrote: Spoken like a man who has never removed the gauges from an elephantine earlobe and masturbated with it.... Click to expand daaaaaaamn. if you ever do that to my ears we would have to fight. haha. when does her scene come out? i gotsta see it. [Link]
BrekkyDJ Member Australia 246 Posts 10/06	Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 4:04AM Ramsey wrote: The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings! Click to expand I'll back that comment. Tatts and Piercings turn me off. I'm for all natural girls (or boob jobs that look natural) BrekkyDJ (Watching Porn in Australia) [Link]
fu_q All-Star Member Marv Montag (@PornOfYore) 2506 Posts 2/09	Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 12:28PM I like the tatts and piercings unless they get to be really excessive. [Link]
Prophit Member 378 Posts 1/07	Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 8:44AM JohnHenry wrote: Zoid, I came across this. http://www.ready-solutions.com/Visacard.html I'm sure there must be other types of services available. Something like 500,000 businesses accepting Visa, and 400,000 accepting MasterCard tell me that someone in Germany uses these cards. John Click to expand Looks very trustworthy. I'm from Germany and I have a credit card which I use mostly for porn. Before I had one I wasn't able to join any websites nor buy DVDs from the US so I stole a lot of stuff. Credit cards are definitely not as common as in the US in most other countries of the world. It's a very egocentric view to expect other people to use "your" methods for payment. I had to go through hoops to get one but not everybody is crazy enough about porn like me and gets a credit card. And many people don't want to use it on the net because it is the unsafest payment method of them all (matter of fact my credit card number has been stolen about 6-7 times already, I've never had to pay any of it but it tells you a lot about how safe it is to use credit cards). JohnHenry wrote: Incidentally, I was quoting BluRay replication costs, when I quoted $6 a disc; if I wanted to burn them at home, I'm looking at nearly $20 per 50 gig disc (25 gig discs run about $3 each, but aren't going to be large enough to hold a full feature, unless you heavily compress the video.) Click to expand 25 gigs is more than enough to hold a full porn feature. Matter of fact all but one (Pirates 2) porn movies so far have been single layer discs. If your calculation is correct and the production really only amounts to $3 per disc then I must say it's a joke porn Blu-rays are still being sold for 40-50 Dollars! I think the industry is missing a great opportunity here. Blu-ray porn is really something that could get people to pay for porn again. But 50 Dollars for a disc? No thanks. Edited by - Prophit on 8/21/2009 8:47:26 AM [Link]

Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 2:18PM Prophit wrote: It's a very egocentric view to expect other people to use "your" methods for payment. Click to expand That's the way it is everywhere, not just the US. I purchased from a non-US shop and had to go through hoops to work out purchasing from them as they were set up for in country COD only and not credit cards because credit cards weren't common there. [Link]
Prophit Member 378 Posts 1/07	Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 3:53PM Yeah, that's true of course. Many other countries are even more backward minded in this regard. But US porn is popular everywhere in the world that's why this is especially sad. I bet France or Italian porn shops don't have as much foreign customers as US shops. Dutch stores might be an exception because there are so many and it's a very small country so they probably need foreign customers more than others. [Link]
EricW Member 34 Posts 6/09	Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 4:09PM OK, this is why I’m sort of ceasing to be a consumer of porn, like anybody cares. Basically I can’t find much I like. As mentioned above, tattoos and piercings. But also cum shots, (for the life of me I can’t understand what is erotic about that, and we have recaps yet.) endless close-ups, gaping butt holes, spread asses and pussies, spitting, fake boobs, huge things being forced up butts. I know some people love all that, but it leaves me cold. One of the things I do like is spanking, but when you go to the spanking sites it’s always some snotty 15 year old that lost her homework and once the spanking stops it’s all over. What’s wrong with a women coming home horny as hell and begging for a spanking? (I could easily write a 45-minute script based on that, I have some experience.) What’s wrong with making love instead of just fucking? Too much porn for me is all the same, if you’ve seen one you’ve pretty much covered it. There are things I like, Kristina Rose’s Dirty Girl has some great scenes, and I joined Jay Sin’s site and found a bunch of stuff I liked. I think my favorite is Jenny Hendrix and Chelsea Rea milk enema thing. I’m sort of trending towards girl girl stuff because to me it’s more tender and erotic. I know there’s exceptions to that. I like a lot of the first parts of the Bang Bros. stuff, before the guy shows up. Belladonna has some great scenes. Yes, Blue Ray is way overpriced. [Link]
Prophit Member 378 Posts 1/07	Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 4:15PM EricW wrote: I’m sort of trending towards girl girl stuff because to me it’s more tender and erotic. Click to expand Yep, there is no b/g equivalent to GFF, Sweetheart Video or Bellezza Video yet. Another area where this industry fails to deliver. [Link]
Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 7:23PM ChodeMasterJ wrote: Brandon Iron wrote: Spoken like a man who has never removed the gauges from an elephantine earlobe and masturbated with it.... Click to expand daaaaaaamn. if you ever do that to my ears we would have to fight. haha. when does her scene come out? i gotsta see it. Click to expand Not too sure at the moment. It started out as something for PERVERTED PLANET but she took me places that only belong in I LOVE IT ROUGH #5. Seriously, I ran out of moves with her and nothing was enough. It was very humbling, very erotic, and very tiring. Think of a building that won't come down after all the charges have went off. She was still standing after all the penile barrages....and then the heavy artillery was brought out. Just a real eye-opener for me. She and I both had war wounds afterwards. She e-mailed me a pic of some "natural" eye shadow. Pretty crazy stuff but not nearly as crazy as the things she told me she wants to do next time. [Link]
Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 7:26PM BrekkyDJ wrote: Ramsey wrote: The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings! Click to expand I'll back that comment. Tatts and Piercings turn me off. I'm for all natural girls (or boob jobs that look natural) BrekkyDJ (Watching Porn in Australia) Click to expand I'm all for women who just turned 18 yesterday, all natural, no tattoos, no piercings, perfect teeth, etc. etc. You can't always get what you want and life experience can make some kinky people kinkier. It's great...celebrate it! [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Aug 22 2009 : 12:10AM Brandon Iron wrote: Not too sure at the moment. It started out as something for PERVERTED PLANET but she took me places that only belong in I LOVE IT ROUGH #5. Seriously, I ran out of moves with her and nothing was enough. It was very humbling, very erotic, and very tiring. Think of a building that won't come down after all the charges have went off. She was still standing after all the penile barrages....and then the heavy artillery was brought out. Just a real eye-opener for me. She and I both had war wounds afterwards. She e-mailed me a pic of some "natural" eye shadow. Pretty crazy stuff but not nearly as crazy as the things she told me she wants to do next time. Click to expand That's good to hear man. Keep me posted because I wanna see that scene and any subsequent stuff you shoot with her. It looks to be amazing. Thanks B. [Link]
Jeff Mullen Member Hall of Famer -Time to get out 219 Posts 1/08	Posted - Aug 22 2009 : 1:20AM We are shooting a new episode of Not the Bradys XXX this week and I am taking over/under wagers on the amount of free sites that attempt to put it up in the first week of release in late October. While shooting the other day I heard about the big press conference they had regarding how filthy our industry is and that they singled out Not the Bradys XXX in the report and are going to demand condom usage in the adult movie industry. So during a lunch break on set I asked one of my female actresses to pass me a condom and she handed me a bottle of ketchup. The point is that the market dictates free enterprise and it is rarely beneficial for a government agency to intervene in the marketplace and each man or woman has the right to enter our industry, not enter it or decide to leave it. We don't run sweat shops, force talent into performing or any of that talk. The sad part is that organizations like the Pink Cross (which on the surface sounds good but is probably not as truly well-intentioned as they would like us to believe) will probably win because in a couple of years or less there will be very little new production taking place if people keep getting porn for free. Wake up and smell the condiments. [Link]
von_swine Member Dominance & Persecution. 919 Posts 1/04	Posted - Aug 22 2009 : 2:31AM when is the L.A. Times gonna do a story on the decline of the L.A. Times?? F those guys! Pink Cross and Shelley can 'Suck It!' as well,..they're just XXX"s version of the P.M.R.C.,..lates, Von S. [Link]
Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 4:40PM ChodeMasterJ wrote: Brandon Iron wrote: Not too sure at the moment. It started out as something for PERVERTED PLANET but she took me places that only belong in I LOVE IT ROUGH #5. Seriously, I ran out of moves with her and nothing was enough. It was very humbling, very erotic, and very tiring. Think of a building that won't come down after all the charges have went off. She was still standing after all the penile barrages....and then the heavy artillery was brought out. Just a real eye-opener for me. She and I both had war wounds afterwards. She e-mailed me a pic of some "natural" eye shadow. Pretty crazy stuff but not nearly as crazy as the things she told me she wants to do next time. Click to expand That's good to hear man. Keep me posted because I wanna see that scene and any subsequent stuff you shoot with her. It looks to be amazing. Thanks B. Click to expand So far, I LOVE IT ROUGH #5 is getting edgy and I'm subtitling it "Nasty, brutish, and short" in my own honour. [Link]

mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 6:42PM (Ramsey wrote: The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings!) I agree -- I hate the ides of women with tattoos and breast piercings as well as large holes in the ear lobe. I can live with a couple small tattoos but those women with large gaudy tattoos turn me off. I guess everyone has their own opinion. I even remember a judge on a Girl Next Door contest on Playboy commenting that tattoos didn't help any woman in the looks department, so I am not alone. [Link]
thelurker Member 12 Posts 2/09	Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 9:32PM mharris127 wrote: (Ramsey wrote: The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings!) I agree -- I hate the ides of women with tattoos and breast piercings as well as large holes in the ear lobe. I can live with a couple small tattoos but those women with large gaudy tattoos turn me off. I guess everyone has their own opinion. I even remember a judge on a Girl Next Door contest on Playboy commenting that tattoos didn't help any woman in the looks department, so I am not alone. Click to expand I find most models in Playboy to be... boring, so not everyone shares your views. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 10:03PM Well, piercings and tattoos are probably not the definitive cause of any significant "decline" but they're probably a factor. A lot of people just don't care for them. Sure. It's subjective but I doubt anyone is going to avoid scenes by a girl because she doesn't have tattoos. Those who don't like them will, however, avoid scenes by girls who do have them. Personally, when I see tattoos, they'd better be unobtrusive (Or at least be done well enough that they're interesting) or I'm just not watching her. It's nothing personal. It just distracts me to the point to where I can't enjoy myself. Edited by - randomprecision on 8/23/2009 10:04:46 PM [Link]
Clay Member 216 Posts 8/00	Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 10:20PM Here is one suggestion for the industry. One common aspect of downloaded porn is that the video quality is generally worse than DVDs and does not look good on new hi definition televisions. One option is to offer higher quality commercial products that will be hard to download even at the highest Internet speeds. Amazingly enough, this product known as the Blueray DVD already exists. By pricing high quality commercial video at reasonable prices, companies can sell a good product that is not easily replaced with downloads. Please start making more high resolution titles and selling them at reasonable prices. I am sure this will not solve the problems of rampant IP theft but it may provide a market for products with customers that want high quality video. The current approach to sell Blueray versions at twice the price of a DVD is simply not going to work. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 11:33PM I just don't buy the high quality argument, the explosion of porn on VHS in the 80s was accompanied by a huge drop in quality and the consumers still ate the slop they were being fed. [Link]
Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06	Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 11:41PM ^Ooooo - excellent point (and paid much more for it too). [Link]
Prophit Member 378 Posts 1/07	Posted - Aug 24 2009 : 2:45AM Clay wrote: Here is one suggestion for the industry. One common aspect of downloaded porn is that the video quality is generally worse than DVDs and does not look good on new hi definition televisions. One option is to offer higher quality commercial products that will be hard to download even at the highest Internet speeds. Amazingly enough, this product known as the Blueray DVD already exists. By pricing high quality commercial video at reasonable prices, companies can sell a good product that is not easily replaced with downloads. Click to expand The millions of people who watch porn on tube sites show you how much they care about image quality. And Blu-ray can't help with this either. The common thing pirates do with Blu-rays is reencode them to single layer DVD size. So they make a 4 gb file out of a 20+ gb disc. The end result can no longer be called HD but that doesn't matter to them since they watch it anyway. [Link]
BrekkyDJ Member Australia 246 Posts 10/06	Posted - Aug 24 2009 : 8:05AM Brandon Iron wrote: BrekkyDJ wrote: Ramsey wrote: The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings! Click to expand I'll back that comment. Tatts and Piercings turn me off. I'm for all natural girls (or boob jobs that look natural) BrekkyDJ (Watching Porn in Australia) Click to expand I'm all for women who just turned 18 yesterday, all natural, no tattoos, no piercings, perfect teeth, etc. etc. You can't always get what you want and life experience can make some kinky people kinkier. It's great...celebrate it! Click to expand Mr Iron, I'm not just suggesting the fresh 18 years olds. For example (in the MILF catergory) look at Mrs Saskia from Naughty America. Now she has had a boob job done, but the size of them suits her body size/shape, plus the added bonus of no tatts. I look at Raylene now - beautiful woman, but the tatts I'm not a fan of. Just like Kylie Ireland - I agree life has made her kinkier, but now with the piercings and tatts on her arm, I cannot say I'm a fan of her recent work. Now there's many of us out there who like all different exotic things and fetishes, but then there's just some of us who like plain old vanilla. BrekkyDJ (that Aussie dude who likes red heads... with freckles) [Link]
Brandon Iron BrandonIron.com 3832 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 24 2009 : 6:24PM I'm with you, BrekkyDJ. I just didn't express myself as well as I should have. I should have just said that you can't be all things to all people. The minute I (or anyone else) would shoot the exact performer in the exact scenario that you want to watch, someone else will request the complete and polar opposite. No one is every completely satisfied. People gravitate towards shooting the types of talent whose performances they enjoy. [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 12:22AM Brandon Iron wrote: So far, I LOVE IT ROUGH #5 is getting edgy and I'm subtitling it "Nasty, brutish, and short" in my own honour. Click to expand lolz. [Link]

Randomizer Member 234 Posts 6/08	Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 3:50PM Prophit wrote: Clay wrote: Here is one suggestion for the industry. One common aspect of downloaded porn is that the video quality is generally worse than DVDs and does not look good on new hi definition televisions. One option is to offer higher quality commercial products that will be hard to download even at the highest Internet speeds. Amazingly enough, this product known as the Blueray DVD already exists. By pricing high quality commercial video at reasonable prices, companies can sell a good product that is not easily replaced with downloads. Click to expand The millions of people who watch porn on tube sites show you how much they care about image quality. And Blu-ray can't help with this either. The common thing pirates do with Blu-rays is reencode them to single layer DVD size. So they make a 4 gb file out of a 20+ gb disc. The end result can no longer be called HD but that doesn't matter to them since they watch it anyway. Click to expand OK, first off, you're not going to stop internet piracy -- the industry will have to adapt, migrate, or die. Even if there were no piracy, there is no stopping college kids from uploading their home videos to free hosting sites -- I expect this to become part of the college dorm culture -- college couples watching porn together and uploading their own sex scenes to compete in a "are we hot porn or are we not" sort of thing. The best looking girls I have EVER SEEN fuck on camera, were normal college-aged girls with supermodel bodies/faces and perfect tits, who had boyfriends eager to record and upload his conquests and sexual prowess. I agree with Clay, the key is to leverage EVERY ASPECT of Blu-ray to give porn consumers reason to buy something they can't find on pirate sites or amateur sites. It starts with shooting not just in 1080p, but also shooting much prettier/younger women (less flaws to see in HD) and properly lit with good cameras (so much of the "HD" stuff available on Blu-ray still looks like shit because they play with the color/saturation to hide the fact the girls aren't much to see in high-def). All the mass-produced crap porn will go away because it can't compete with piracy and amateurs. The scenes also need to be less generic and more "professional grade porn" -- the best makeup and outfits, gangbangs, double-penetration, deep-throating huge cocks, the kitchen sink. It needs to be stuff that amateur college kids can't compete with because they don't have the resources or the desire and skill to perform the most difficult sex acts. Then you need to add lots of multiple camera angles for the scenes -- capture it from every POV (including the guy's) and let the consumer choose how to watch it. Fill up an entire BD disc with a single scene -- this will make it much less practical to pirate. Then you need to add interactive content that can only be accessed via an account with the production company -- this kind of thing can't be pirated, but it adds a lot more overhead to the production. Let them login and download standard-def stuff like behind-the-scenes, outtakes, bloopers, director interviews, etc. So, to sum up: the problem with porn right now is there are no barriers to entry and a glut on the market of crappy porn made with marginal here-today-gone-tomorrow talent trying to compete with pirated or free amateur porn. There needs to be less (but better produced) porn made, fewer (but bigger) stars, and more features that consumers would pay money for. Edited by - randomizer on 8/25/2009 9:04:12 PM [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 5:51PM Randomizer wrote: It also needs to be more demanding on the stars -- gangbangs, double-penetration, and the kitchen sink. It needs to be stuff that college kids can't compete with... although even then, some will no doubt try to film gangbangs and other "extreme" stuff with their friends. Click to expand Jackass: The Porn Movie If porn abandons DVD, and goes Blu-ray only at Blu-ray prices, they will lose me as a customer altogether. If porn becomes more extreme and filled with circus-acts, they will lose me as a customer, as well. With few exceptions (e.g. Quasarman, Jules Jordan, William H... you guys know who they are), there are not enough talented people with the skills, finances and desire to up the game to "Blu-ray" standards. As far as more "younger girls" supposedly more flawless friendly to the harsher realities of Blu-ray, you do know that the MILF market is just about the hottest porn demographic going at the moment -- at least for those of us who actually pay for porn. Honestly, I have serious doubts that, people under 25 who have grown up with technology and porn for free on the Internet, will ever willingly pay for porn. As has been said, anything Blu-ray will be ripped and posted on the Internet, in standard Internet resolutions, codecs and formats -- effortlessly by 14-year-olds using consumer software There is no protection scheme, nor will there ever be, that will keep porn, or any other digital media, from being cracked and ripped. Ever. The only way to beat this (or at least control it), is to go after sites, individuals, endlessly file DMCR notices to remove copyrighted content, etc. Hell, I'd even support "denial-of-service" attacks on pirate sites if that's what it takes. I'm confident the industry will, ultimately, find new business models that will succeed. I don't think we have seen them yet. Leaving DVD would be a mistake IMHO. Raising prices on those of us who buy porn would also be a mistake. There is going to be a lot of pain, and a lot of porn producers who go by the wayside. The industry will contract until the best players are left, making the product we will pay for, at a sustainable output level using refined business models that will work. [Link]
Clay Member 216 Posts 8/00	Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 10:02PM My point wasn't that selling high quality Blu-ray titles would prevent piracy of low quality movie data. The point is that good Blu-ray movies sold at reasonable prices will find buyers interested in porn that looks good on their new 1080 televisions. The only way to make money is to make a product that someone wants to buy. Any business plan based on competing against freely distributed low resolution porn or on preventing the sharing of data on the Internet is doomed. The industry has to look forward and not back. I will throw another idea on the heap. A fundamental challenge for the porn industry is coming up with original ideas that keep people interested in the sex and sets your content apart from others without going too far and turning off the viewer. It sounds like porn is becoming increasingly popular with women but I think the industry really is missing the mark for couples and women's porn. Studios are really struggling with identifying what will appeal to both men and women and to manage the content of a gonzo movie to be consistent with what their target audience is likely to want to see (regardless of whether it is 1 on 1 couples, gang bangs, or bondage). My spouse likes porn with solid anal, 2 on 1, or 3 on 1 action. She probably would not watch most Wicked/Vivid titles in favor of a Evil Angel/Jules Jordan type movie. Quite frankly, some women don't want to see poorly acted between sex filler any more than men do. Many popular standards in hardcore movies like spitting, fish hooking, ugly males, ATM, etc. do not appeal to women I have known. Similarly many themes like teasing, massage, toy play (that a woman would like), etc. cannot be found. I am sure that the challenge is to make something that appeals to enough people to make money. I suspect the other challenge is to market the product so that potential buyers who don't use ADT ever find your product. That being said, I think there are a lot of opportunities to make movies that hit the couples audience beyond the Wicked/Vivid territory. Movies could go the route of either a more sensual hard core slant or on a hard core style with a better balance of sex acts that are pleasurable to women. Edited by - clay on 8/25/2009 10:32:59 PM [Link]
DK Member 107 Posts 6/09	Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 12:22AM From the standpoint of this consumer, I have, and expect to continue to have, a wide array of products and delivery systems from which to choose. While government interference in the making and distribution of porn involving consenting adults appears to me to be a constant threat, the overall volume of porn available to me is still staggering. If command-and-control liberal government officials manage to suppress or disrupt segments of the domestic porn industry, I expect that I will still be able to access European, condom-free porn. I place no particular value on domestic production of porn; my enjoyment is derived from what is shown, not where it is produced. While some of the posters in this thread deplore particular trends, such as porn featuring tattooed girls, there is a market of some size for every legal sort of porn, and, for porn producers, I think that niche opportunities abound. I think that it's a mistake to think that the principal threat to porn is internal (for example, use of girls with pierced clits alienating a large audience segment). As in many other aspects of life, paternalistic politicians and their government-employee minions are best positioned to impair the industry, and I'll be mighty surprised if they don't. [Link]
the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06	Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 9:32AM You can't get regular movies on Blu-Ray for a decent price (How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days [not a movie I have the least interest in watching but a good example of cost Blu-Ray vs regular DVD] goes for twenty bucks on Blu-Ray, you can pick up the regular DVD in the $5 dump section at Wal-Mart) where are you going to find porn on Blu-Ray for a decent price? If a brick and mortar store is selling regular porn DVDS for $39.99 what do you think the mark up is going to be on Blu-Ray? [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 11:03AM One of the largest costs associated with porn sold on media (e.g. DVD, Blu-ray, VHS), is the upfront cost of replicating and warehousing a minimum number of copies that may, or may not, sell-through in an economically feasible time frame. A double-edged sword too, as copies that don't sell eventually have to be discounted heavily and sold in order to recoup out-of-pocket production costs. This competes with newer product and further erodes the ability to maintain a price structure that benefits everybody (producer, talent and workers, distributor, retailers and customers). Someday, some bright people are going to be able to economically replicate only the product they need, as they need it, for sale in the marketplace. I think technology will catch up and make this a reality. [Link]
just_me Member 133 Posts 4/09	Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 2:00PM the unknown pervert wrote: You can't get regular movies on Blu-Ray for a decent price Click to expand This is just not true. Most new releases on Blu-ray go for typically between $5-$10 more than the dvd. It's not fair to price compare against a retailer that is price dumping old stock. Blu-ray is not a mass-market product, not yet. It's still targeted to the people who are willing to pay extra for the better quality video & audio. Someone who has a $20k+ home theatre is someone willing to buy those movies with little regard to price, and the studios want to sell their products to them. If you want to save the $$ and buy the dvd, then by all means buy the dvd version. [Link]
nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05	Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 1:21AM Nearly all quote-unquote "piracy" sites comply with DMCA takedown requests. How about adult studios actually use the law that was written with copyright holders in mind? The sites that don't comply with takedown requests will no doubt draw the ire of Hollywood and the Music Industry whom have a lot more money to spend on putting those sites and owners out of business and sometimes in jail. If adult studios would take care of their content and treat it like an asset (and it's their only real asset) then they wouldn't have to worry about piracy, they could worry about a downturn in the economy, or ways to better deliver content online. But as it stands, most studios are lazy and apathetic and are waiting for things to just magically "get better". Waiting for someone else to invent a T1000 AI Synthetic android capable of hunting down and terminating pirated content. Or waiting for another internet company to come along promising them 20% of a nickel for their DVD rights. Here's my opinion: 1. We have oversaturated the market for years now. 2. We have retail stores that overpriced product. 3. We mislead the customer with deceptive practices. 4. We have inferior delivery methods online. 5. We have terrible foreign distribution so anyone outside of the US has to jump thru hurdles to get our DVDs. 6. We are lazy about controlling our content. 7. We'd rather be at a porn party getting a handjob from some hood rat than acting like a legitimate businessperson. 8. We've forgotten that at the end of the day the idea is to make the customer happy. Did I simplify it too much? [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 3:07AM Nate, have you ever thought about going into the dry goods field? [Link]
BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 9:55AM BigBobxxx wrote: Jackass: The Porn Movie If porn abandons DVD, and goes Blu-ray only at Blu-ray prices, they will lose me as a customer altogether. If porn becomes more extreme and filled with circus-acts, they will lose me as a customer, as well. With few exceptions (e.g. Quasarman, Jules Jordan, William H... you guys know who they are), there are not enough talented people with the skills, finances and desire to up the game to "Blu-ray" standards. As far as more "younger girls" supposedly more flawless friendly to the harsher realities of Blu-ray, you do know that the MILF market is just about the hottest porn demographic going at the moment -- at least for those of us who actually pay for porn. Honestly, I have serious doubts that, people under 25 who have grown up with technology and porn for free on the Internet, will ever willingly pay for porn. As has been said, anything Blu-ray will be ripped and posted on the Internet, in standard Internet resolutions, codecs and formats -- effortlessly by 14-year-olds using consumer software There is no protection scheme, nor will there ever be, that will keep porn, or any other digital media, from being cracked and ripped. Ever. The only way to beat this (or at least control it), is to go after sites, individuals, endlessly file DMCR notices to remove copyrighted content, etc. Hell, I'd even support "denial-of-service" attacks on pirate sites if that's what it takes. Click to expand BigBobXXX, I agree with most of your sediment especially the DVD/Blu-Ray issue. I think just because a technology is available and has applications doesn't mean it's the best choice now. Specifically, if the production costs associated with Blu-Ray is too high, why produce it on that format? Just like I the consumer is ultimately responsible for choosing to buy bad products, the industry is responsible for poor or miss timed choices in technology. There's probably a reason for the disappointing and slow sales in Blu-Ray related to, but beyond the general economy in that a lot of people don't want to buy expensive Blu-Ray players and esp. Blu-Ray movies. Although the prices have come down for Blu-Ray stuff, they are still very high. In a time when gasoline was/is around $3/gallon, people are going to choose gas over porn 99% of the time. That being said although I don't agree with the effectivity of the strategy and tactics you mentioned. Hasn't the RIAA & MPAA done this already, devoting millions of dollars and lots of time into combating piracy with negligible results? Piracy is like herpes, it's common in one form or another (60% US = HSV1) and will never go away. Didn't Apple create a more cost effective way to combat piracy with micropayment system for music (mp3s)? If you agree that these products are a commodity, then pricing the commodity at much lower price will allow easier access to some customers (i.e., Apple iTunes model). [Link]
BYOB_Kenobi Senior Member “Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard 2684 Posts 8/09	Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 9:59AM BigBobXXX, BTW, I don't wanna hijack the thread, but I have to give you props for your awesome find of the NYT article on health care debate you posted elsewhere. [Link]
user3x Member 14 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 2:00AM the biggest factor in the decline of the industry has to be 1.the economy 2.piracy the economic downturn began in early 2007 when the housing boom went bust along with everything else including porn. personally I began renting and buying less and less in late '07.as we stand now most of what I watch is from the library of titles i purchased prior and have become very picky about what I purchase today. unemployment among 18-25 year old's is between 20-25% so there go your new customers.and when it looks like this recession is likely to turn into a depression,well,we don't need to tell the industry how much worse it's going to get. I believe that half the industry won't see the recovery.if you were getting paid $1200 per scene and now you hear of $700 per scene? $500 isn't too far behind. on top of that,now you have to compete with eastern European porn and the emerging Brazilian porn industry.even Argentina is now getting into the mix.in the 90's when we talked about porn everyone pointed to the valley and "private" in Europe.now, porn is global. Piracy.a big problem that is getting worse by the day.the ball is on the industry's court on this one. and you have to ask yourself,how much are you willing to spend each month to fight it? or how much are you willing to loose every month for doing nothing? sue,lobby,reduce prices? all at the same time? none? many options but very little action is being taken as we speak. in conclusion,when the economy recovers and piracy is contained or continues to grow,the industry will be different geographically and financially.the valley may be dethroned when is all said and done. $.99 per scene, $3.99 for a feature download? [Link]
Albarellus Member 68 Posts 7/07	Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 5:30AM I'd agree to that price range, although industry professionals may call it ridiculous. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01	Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 2:13PM I'm not industry, but I can tell you those price points would equal a marked reduction in quality. How do you expect to pay for the talent, crew, location, equipment, additional production fees, web costs, etc for that price? The answer is they can't. That price I doubt is even reasonable for an old production that has paid itself off. [Link]
user3x Member 14 Posts 2/08	Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 4:03PM well,yes .99 for a scene and 3.99 for a feature download were suggested to brainstorm a little on the future of the industry. I agree those prices are not reasonable but not impossible. as a photographer I can tell you how cheap it is today to come up with a high end product with less than $2,000 including the camera.5-6 years ago you would have to spend $600 plus on a beauty dish.now you can make one for less than $30 and using your flash instead of expensive dedicated flash units.the DIY movement in photography that I have seen in the last 3 years is now making is way into video.so achieving the look of 30k worth of equipment with a few hundred dollars is now possible. the cost of talent will continue to decline because with less jobs available generally the lure of a few hundred dollars for less then half days work will flood the industry with talent thus making talent compete for whatever work is available for less money.this happening in every industry in this country.web cost is not a big deal,distribution won't be difficult or expensive. what I'm really trying to say is that the way that porn business is done today,will be nothing like it will be done 3-5 years from now.maybe $2.99/scene $7.99/feature sounds more like it.there's both downside and upside to this change.it's just a matter of who will adjust and who won't. I'm very excited to talk about this topic.counter points and ideas on this is of great benefit for the industry. [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Aug 29 2009 : 12:15AM ^ that's a very interesting post. the DIY stuff makes a lot of sense. [Link]

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JohnHenry
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 12:52PM

Zoid,
I came across this.
http://www.ready-solutions.com/Visacard.html
I'm sure there must be other types of services available. Something like 500,000 businesses accepting Visa, and 400,000 accepting MasterCard tell me that *someone* in Germany uses these cards.
John

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poloprinz
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We didn't bring a compass 'cause we ain't got nowhere to go
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 3:45PM

^
Like I said, some of us Huns do use the CCs. And basically every regular card here also functions as a debit card. The prepaid cards are for people who have bad credit due to unfortunate events in the past, wouldn't get a regular card but still need one to buy stuff online where CC is the only method of payment. Or travelling. But still, you'll do more business with Germans if you offer other methods of payment, which most of the billing services already do btw.
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I almost forgot (had to go catch some sleep last night):

John,
I'm sure that you have good reasons for your opinion on this, even if it, as you mentioned yourself, collides with personal beliefs. Of course, if you try to get your foot in the door, it's very hard to develop the long-term strategies I was alluding to because you simply don't have the resources. I'm in a priviledged position in this discussion, as it's not my future that is at stake.

But how do you want to secure a border if not by shutting it down and opening it only for what you want to pass through?
And if the control mechanisms you want are implemented, be it the electronic border (most likely government-controlled) or the proprietary format owned by cable companies, what do you think will happen?
Do you see a bright future for the kind of content you want to create? Maybe I have a distorted view on this from the other side of the Atlantic, but to me it seems that neither the government nor the big companies in your country are very porn-friendly and are not likely to change that in the future.

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Zoid
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Boobies and Anal
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 3:46PM

John, acceptance of those cards in brick and mortar stores doesn't say much about how many locals actually have one... and whether or not they are willing to get one just to watch foreign porn on the Internet. As for services to get some kind of virtual prepaid card - they exist, but they are hardly convenient.

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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Aug 18 2009 : 10:52PM

Oh man....I think I'm in love:
[Image not found DB]
The pic with Brandon's cock in her mouth is pretty epic too.

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Brandon Iron
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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:05PM

They just don't get any ALT-freaky than Miss Meg. I miss Miss Meg. If Vivid will have me, I am ready.

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Ramsey
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Trina Michaels fan
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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:08PM

The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings!

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Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:09PM

Spoken like a man who has never removed the gauges from an elephantine earlobe and masturbated with it....

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fu_q

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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:16PM

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JohnHenry
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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 4:38PM

The new Alt-Porn sensation!
Amidst complaints from viewers that anal sex has become passe, the latest craze in orifice desecration is gauged earlobes! When asked about her experience as one of the first to contribute to the growing sensation, the porn starlet could only reply "HUH? WHAT'D YOU SAY?"
Coming soon, to your favorite bookstore....

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undone
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what's for dinner?
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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 9:29PM

I'm thinking about letting a load go soon....maybe tomorrow nite...anyways, I am sick of this decline in the industry shit...I see all of the delicious young girls begging for my cum and think, let's get on a positive vibe...fuk it...don't bum me out, I want to think of this business as my playthings for my cock...figure it out, the best will survive and thrive. There is always opportunity....Find it!
(I cannot analize this topic to deeply now...maybe after tomorrow nite.)

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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 1:54AM

daaaaaaamn. if you ever do that to my ears we would have to fight. haha. when does her scene come out? i gotsta see it.

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BrekkyDJ
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Australia
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Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 4:04AM

I'll back that comment.
Tatts and Piercings turn me off.
I'm for all natural girls (or boob jobs that look natural)
BrekkyDJ (Watching Porn in Australia)

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fu_q

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Marv Montag (@PornOfYore)
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Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 12:28PM

I like the tatts and piercings unless they get to be really excessive.

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Prophit
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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 8:44AM

Looks very trustworthy.
I'm from Germany and I have a credit card which I use mostly for porn. Before I had one I wasn't able to join any websites nor buy DVDs from the US so I stole a lot of stuff.
Credit cards are definitely not as common as in the US in most other countries of the world. It's a very egocentric view to expect other people to use "your" methods for payment. I had to go through hoops to get one but not everybody is crazy enough about porn like me and gets a credit card. And many people don't want to use it on the net because it is the unsafest payment method of them all (matter of fact my credit card number has been stolen about 6-7 times already, I've never had to pay any of it but it tells you a lot about how safe it is to use credit cards).

25 gigs is more than enough to hold a full porn feature. Matter of fact all but one (Pirates 2) porn movies so far have been single layer discs. If your calculation is correct and the production really only amounts to $3 per disc then I must say it's a joke porn Blu-rays are still being sold for 40-50 Dollars!
I think the industry is missing a great opportunity here.
Blu-ray porn is really something that could get people to pay for porn again. But 50 Dollars for a disc? No thanks.
Edited by - Prophit on 8/21/2009 8:47:26 AM

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Flash

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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 2:18PM

That's the way it is everywhere, not just the US. I purchased from a non-US shop and had to go through hoops to work out purchasing from them as they were set up for in country COD only and not credit cards because credit cards weren't common there.

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Prophit
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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 3:53PM

Yeah, that's true of course. Many other countries are even more backward minded in this regard. But US porn is popular everywhere in the world that's why this is especially sad. I bet France or Italian porn shops don't have as much foreign customers as US shops. Dutch stores might be an exception because there are so many and it's a very small country so they probably need foreign customers more than others.

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EricW
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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 4:09PM

OK, this is why I’m sort of ceasing to be a consumer of porn, like anybody cares.
Basically I can’t find much I like. As mentioned above, tattoos and piercings. But also cum shots, (for the life of me I can’t understand what is erotic about that, and we have recaps yet.) endless close-ups, gaping butt holes, spread asses and pussies, spitting, fake boobs, huge things being forced up butts. I know some people love all that, but it leaves me cold.
One of the things I do like is spanking, but when you go to the spanking sites it’s always some snotty 15 year old that lost her homework and once the spanking stops it’s all over. What’s wrong with a women coming home horny as hell and begging for a spanking? (I could easily write a 45-minute script based on that, I have some experience.) What’s wrong with making love instead of just fucking?
Too much porn for me is all the same, if you’ve seen one you’ve pretty much covered it.
There are things I like, Kristina Rose’s Dirty Girl has some great scenes, and I joined Jay Sin’s site and found a bunch of stuff I liked. I think my favorite is Jenny Hendrix and Chelsea Rea milk enema thing. I’m sort of trending towards girl girl stuff because to me it’s more tender and erotic. I know there’s exceptions to that. I like a lot of the first parts of the Bang Bros. stuff, before the guy shows up. Belladonna has some great scenes.
Yes, Blue Ray is way overpriced.

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Prophit
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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 4:15PM

Yep, there is no b/g equivalent to GFF, Sweetheart Video or Bellezza Video yet. Another area where this industry fails to deliver.

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Brandon Iron
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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 7:23PM

Not too sure at the moment. It started out as something for PERVERTED PLANET but she took me places that only belong in I LOVE IT ROUGH #5. Seriously, I ran out of moves with her and nothing was enough. It was very humbling, very erotic, and very tiring. Think of a building that won't come down after all the charges have went off. She was still standing after all the penile barrages....and then the heavy artillery was brought out.
Just a real eye-opener for me. She and I both had war wounds afterwards. She e-mailed me a pic of some "natural" eye shadow. Pretty crazy stuff but not nearly as crazy as the things she told me she wants to do next time.

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Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 7:26PM

I'm all for women who just turned 18 yesterday, all natural, no tattoos, no piercings, perfect teeth, etc. etc. You can't always get what you want and life experience can make some kinky people kinkier. It's great...celebrate it!

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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Aug 22 2009 : 12:10AM

That's good to hear man. Keep me posted because I wanna see that scene and any subsequent stuff you shoot with her. It looks to be amazing. Thanks B.

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Jeff Mullen
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Hall of Famer -Time to get out
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Posted - Aug 22 2009 : 1:20AM

We are shooting a new episode of Not the Bradys XXX this week and I am taking over/under wagers on the amount of free sites that attempt to put it up in the first week of release in late October.
While shooting the other day I heard about the big press conference they had regarding how filthy our industry is and that they singled out Not the Bradys XXX in the report and are going to demand condom usage in the adult movie industry. So during a lunch break on set I asked one of my female actresses to pass me a condom and she handed me a bottle of ketchup. The point is that the market dictates free enterprise and it is rarely beneficial for a government agency to intervene in the marketplace and each man or woman has the right to enter our industry, not enter it or decide to leave it. We don't run sweat shops, force talent into performing or any of that talk.
The sad part is that organizations like the Pink Cross (which on the surface sounds good but is probably not as truly well-intentioned as they would like us to believe) will probably win because in a couple of years or less there will be very little new production taking place if people keep getting porn for free. Wake up and smell the condiments.

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von_swine
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Dominance & Persecution.
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Posted - Aug 22 2009 : 2:31AM

when is the L.A. Times gonna do a story on the decline of the L.A. Times?? F those guys! Pink Cross and Shelley can 'Suck It!' as well,..they're just XXX"s version of the P.M.R.C.,..lates, Von S.

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Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

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Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 4:40PM

ChodeMasterJ wrote:
Brandon Iron wrote:
Not too sure at the moment. It started out as something for PERVERTED PLANET but she took me places that only belong in I LOVE IT ROUGH #5. Seriously, I ran out of moves with her and nothing was enough. It was very humbling, very erotic, and very tiring. Think of a building that won't come down after all the charges have went off. She was still standing after all the penile barrages....and then the heavy artillery was brought out.
Just a real eye-opener for me. She and I both had war wounds afterwards. She e-mailed me a pic of some "natural" eye shadow. Pretty crazy stuff but not nearly as crazy as the things she told me she wants to do next time.
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That's good to hear man. Keep me posted because I wanna see that scene and any subsequent stuff you shoot with her. It looks to be amazing. Thanks B.
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So far, I LOVE IT ROUGH #5 is getting edgy and I'm subtitling it "Nasty, brutish, and short" in my own honour.

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mharris127
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Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 6:42PM

(Ramsey wrote:
The decline of the industry is actually girls with too much tats and piercings!)
I agree -- I hate the ides of women with tattoos and breast piercings as well as large holes in the ear lobe. I can live with a couple small tattoos but those women with large gaudy tattoos turn me off. I guess everyone has their own opinion. I even remember a judge on a Girl Next Door contest on Playboy commenting that tattoos didn't help any woman in the looks department, so I am not alone.

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thelurker
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Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 9:32PM

I find most models in Playboy to be... boring, so not everyone shares your views.

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RandomPrecision
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Enjoy!
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Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 10:03PM

Well, piercings and tattoos are probably not the definitive cause of any significant "decline" but they're probably a factor. A lot of people just don't care for them. Sure. It's subjective but I doubt anyone is going to avoid scenes by a girl because she doesn't have tattoos. Those who don't like them will, however, avoid scenes by girls who do have them.
Personally, when I see tattoos, they'd better be unobtrusive (Or at least be done well enough that they're interesting) or I'm just not watching her. It's nothing personal. It just distracts me to the point to where I can't enjoy myself.
Edited by - randomprecision on 8/23/2009 10:04:46 PM

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Clay
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Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 10:20PM

Here is one suggestion for the industry. One common aspect of downloaded porn is that the video quality is generally worse than DVDs and does not look good on new hi definition televisions. One option is to offer higher quality commercial products that will be hard to download even at the highest Internet speeds. Amazingly enough, this product known as the Blueray DVD already exists. By pricing high quality commercial video at reasonable prices, companies can sell a good product that is not easily replaced with downloads.
Please start making more high resolution titles and selling them at reasonable prices. I am sure this will not solve the problems of rampant IP theft but it may provide a market for products with customers that want high quality video. The current approach to sell Blueray versions at twice the price of a DVD is simply not going to work.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 11:33PM

I just don't buy the high quality argument, the explosion of porn on VHS in the 80s was accompanied by a huge drop in quality and the consumers still ate the slop they were being fed.

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Savoy

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Posted - Aug 23 2009 : 11:41PM

^Ooooo - excellent point (and paid much more for it too).

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Prophit
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Posted - Aug 24 2009 : 2:45AM

The millions of people who watch porn on tube sites show you how much they care about image quality.
And Blu-ray can't help with this either. The common thing pirates do with Blu-rays is reencode them to single layer DVD size. So they make a 4 gb file out of a 20+ gb disc. The end result can no longer be called HD but that doesn't matter to them since they watch it anyway.

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BrekkyDJ
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Australia
246 Posts
10/06

Posted - Aug 24 2009 : 8:05AM

Mr Iron, I'm not just suggesting the fresh 18 years olds.
For example (in the MILF catergory) look at Mrs Saskia from Naughty America.
Now she has had a boob job done, but the size of them suits her body size/shape, plus the added bonus of no tatts.
I look at Raylene now - beautiful woman, but the tatts I'm not a fan of.
Just like Kylie Ireland - I agree life has made her kinkier, but now with the piercings and tatts on her arm, I cannot say I'm a fan of her recent work.
Now there's many of us out there who like all different exotic things and fetishes, but then there's just some of us who like plain old vanilla.
BrekkyDJ (that Aussie dude who likes red heads... with freckles)

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Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

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Posted - Aug 24 2009 : 6:24PM

I'm with you, BrekkyDJ. I just didn't express myself as well as I should have. I should have just said that you can't be all things to all people. The minute I (or anyone else) would shoot the exact performer in the exact scenario that you want to watch, someone else will request the complete and polar opposite. No one is every completely satisfied.
People gravitate towards shooting the types of talent whose performances they enjoy.

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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 12:22AM

lolz.

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Randomizer
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 3:50PM

Prophit wrote:
Clay wrote:
Here is one suggestion for the industry. One common aspect of downloaded porn is that the video quality is generally worse than DVDs and does not look good on new hi definition televisions. One option is to offer higher quality commercial products that will be hard to download even at the highest Internet speeds. Amazingly enough, this product known as the Blueray DVD already exists. By pricing high quality commercial video at reasonable prices, companies can sell a good product that is not easily replaced with downloads.
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The millions of people who watch porn on tube sites show you how much they care about image quality.
And Blu-ray can't help with this either. The common thing pirates do with Blu-rays is reencode them to single layer DVD size. So they make a 4 gb file out of a 20+ gb disc. The end result can no longer be called HD but that doesn't matter to them since they watch it anyway.
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OK, first off, you're not going to stop internet piracy -- the industry will have to adapt, migrate, or die.
Even if there were no piracy, there is no stopping college kids from uploading their home videos to free hosting sites -- I expect this to become part of the college dorm culture -- college couples watching porn together and uploading their own sex scenes to compete in a "are we hot porn or are we not" sort of thing. The best looking girls I have EVER SEEN fuck on camera, were normal college-aged girls with supermodel bodies/faces and perfect tits, who had boyfriends eager to record and upload his conquests and sexual prowess.
I agree with Clay, the key is to leverage EVERY ASPECT of Blu-ray to give porn consumers reason to buy something they can't find on pirate sites or amateur sites.
It starts with shooting not just in 1080p, but also shooting much prettier/younger women (less flaws to see in HD) and properly lit with good cameras (so much of the "HD" stuff available on Blu-ray still looks like shit because they play with the color/saturation to hide the fact the girls aren't much to see in high-def). All the mass-produced crap porn will go away because it can't compete with piracy and amateurs.
The scenes also need to be less generic and more "professional grade porn" -- the best makeup and outfits, gangbangs, double-penetration, deep-throating huge cocks, the kitchen sink. It needs to be stuff that amateur college kids can't compete with because they don't have the resources or the desire and skill to perform the most difficult sex acts.
Then you need to add lots of multiple camera angles for the scenes -- capture it from every POV (including the guy's) and let the consumer choose how to watch it. Fill up an entire BD disc with a single scene -- this will make it much less practical to pirate.
Then you need to add interactive content that can only be accessed via an account with the production company -- this kind of thing can't be pirated, but it adds a lot more overhead to the production. Let them login and download standard-def stuff like behind-the-scenes, outtakes, bloopers, director interviews, etc.
So, to sum up: the problem with porn right now is there are no barriers to entry and a glut on the market of crappy porn made with marginal here-today-gone-tomorrow talent trying to compete with pirated or free amateur porn. There needs to be less (but better produced) porn made, fewer (but bigger) stars, and more features that consumers would pay money for.
Edited by - randomizer on 8/25/2009 9:04:12 PM

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BigBobxxx
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2681 Posts
5/04

Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 5:51PM

Jackass: The Porn Movie
If porn abandons DVD, and goes Blu-ray only at Blu-ray prices, they will lose me as a customer altogether.
If porn becomes more extreme and filled with circus-acts, they will lose me as a customer, as well.
With few exceptions (e.g. Quasarman, Jules Jordan, William H... you guys know who they are), there are not enough talented people with the skills, finances and desire to up the game to "Blu-ray" standards.
As far as more "younger girls" supposedly more flawless friendly to the harsher realities of Blu-ray, you do know that the MILF market is just about the hottest porn demographic going at the moment -- at least for those of us who actually pay for porn.
Honestly, I have serious doubts that, people under 25 who have grown up with technology and porn for free on the Internet, will ever willingly pay for porn.
As has been said, anything Blu-ray will be ripped and posted on the Internet, in standard Internet resolutions, codecs and formats -- effortlessly by 14-year-olds using consumer software

There is no protection scheme, nor will there ever be, that will keep porn, or any other digital media, from being cracked and ripped. Ever.
The only way to beat this (or at least control it), is to go after sites, individuals, endlessly file DMCR notices to remove copyrighted content, etc.
Hell, I'd even support "denial-of-service" attacks on pirate sites if that's what it takes.
I'm confident the industry will, ultimately, find new business models that will succeed. I don't think we have seen them yet. Leaving DVD would be a mistake IMHO. Raising prices on those of us who buy porn would also be a mistake.
There is going to be a lot of pain, and a lot of porn producers who go by the wayside. The industry will contract until the best players are left, making the product we will pay for, at a sustainable output level using refined business models that will work.

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Clay
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 10:02PM

My point wasn't that selling high quality Blu-ray titles would prevent piracy of low quality movie data. The point is that good Blu-ray movies sold at reasonable prices will find buyers interested in porn that looks good on their new 1080 televisions. The only way to make money is to make a product that someone wants to buy.
Any business plan based on competing against freely distributed low resolution porn or on preventing the sharing of data on the Internet is doomed. The industry has to look forward and not back.
I will throw another idea on the heap. A fundamental challenge for the porn industry is coming up with original ideas that keep people interested in the sex and sets your content apart from others without going too far and turning off the viewer. It sounds like porn is becoming increasingly popular with women but I think the industry really is missing the mark for couples and women's porn.
Studios are really struggling with identifying what will appeal to both men and women and to manage the content of a gonzo movie to be consistent with what their target audience is likely to want to see (regardless of whether it is 1 on 1 couples, gang bangs, or bondage). My spouse likes porn with solid anal, 2 on 1, or 3 on 1 action. She probably would not watch most Wicked/Vivid titles in favor of a Evil Angel/Jules Jordan type movie. Quite frankly, some women don't want to see poorly acted between sex filler any more than men do.
Many popular standards in hardcore movies like spitting, fish hooking, ugly males, ATM, etc. do not appeal to women I have known. Similarly many themes like teasing, massage, toy play (that a woman would like), etc. cannot be found.
I am sure that the challenge is to make something that appeals to enough people to make money. I suspect the other challenge is to market the product so that potential buyers who don't use ADT ever find your product. That being said, I think there are a lot of opportunities to make movies that hit the couples audience beyond the Wicked/Vivid territory. Movies could go the route of either a more sensual hard core slant or on a hard core style with a better balance of sex acts that are pleasurable to women.
Edited by - clay on 8/25/2009 10:32:59 PM

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DK
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107 Posts
6/09

Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 12:22AM

From the standpoint of this consumer, I have, and expect to continue to have, a wide array of products and delivery systems from which to choose. While government interference in the making and distribution of porn involving consenting adults appears to me to be a constant threat, the overall volume of porn available to me is still staggering. If command-and-control liberal government officials manage to suppress or disrupt segments of the domestic porn industry, I expect that I will still be able to access European, condom-free porn. I place no particular value on domestic production of porn; my enjoyment is derived from what is shown, not where it is produced.
While some of the posters in this thread deplore particular trends, such as porn featuring tattooed girls, there is a market of some size for every legal sort of porn, and, for porn producers, I think that niche opportunities abound.
I think that it's a mistake to think that the principal threat to porn is internal (for example, use of girls with pierced clits alienating a large audience segment). As in many other aspects of life, paternalistic politicians and their government-employee minions are best positioned to impair the industry, and I'll be mighty surprised if they don't.

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the unknown pervert
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3243 Posts
5/06

Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 9:32AM

You can't get regular movies on Blu-Ray for a decent price (How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days [not a movie I have the least interest in watching but a good example of cost Blu-Ray vs regular DVD] goes for twenty bucks on Blu-Ray, you can pick up the regular DVD in the $5 dump section at Wal-Mart) where are you going to find porn on Blu-Ray for a decent price? If a brick and mortar store is selling regular porn DVDS for $39.99 what do you think the mark up is going to be on Blu-Ray?

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BigBobxxx
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2681 Posts
5/04

Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 11:03AM

One of the largest costs associated with porn sold on media (e.g. DVD, Blu-ray, VHS), is the upfront cost of replicating and warehousing a minimum number of copies that may, or may not, sell-through in an economically feasible time frame.
A double-edged sword too, as copies that don't sell eventually have to be discounted heavily and sold in order to recoup out-of-pocket production costs. This competes with newer product and further erodes the ability to maintain a price structure that benefits everybody (producer, talent and workers, distributor, retailers and customers).
Someday, some bright people are going to be able to economically replicate only the product they need, as they need it, for sale in the marketplace. I think technology will catch up and make this a reality.

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just_me
Member

133 Posts
4/09

Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 2:00PM

This is just not true. Most new releases on Blu-ray go for typically between $5-$10 more than the dvd. It's not fair to price compare against a retailer that is price dumping old stock. Blu-ray is not a mass-market product, not yet. It's still targeted to the people who are willing to pay extra for the better quality video & audio. Someone who has a $20k+ home theatre is someone willing to buy those movies with little regard to price, and the studios want to sell their products to them.
If you want to save the $$ and buy the dvd, then by all means buy the dvd version.

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nateglass
Member

I must break you
201 Posts
12/05

Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 1:21AM

Nearly all quote-unquote "piracy" sites comply with DMCA takedown requests. How about adult studios actually use the law that was written with copyright holders in mind? The sites that don't comply with takedown requests will no doubt draw the ire of Hollywood and the Music Industry whom have a lot more money to spend on putting those sites and owners out of business and sometimes in jail.
If adult studios would take care of their content and treat it like an asset (and it's their only real asset) then they wouldn't have to worry about piracy, they could worry about a downturn in the economy, or ways to better deliver content online.
But as it stands, most studios are lazy and apathetic and are waiting for things to just magically "get better". Waiting for someone else to invent a T1000 AI Synthetic android capable of hunting down and terminating pirated content. Or waiting for another internet company to come along promising them 20% of a nickel for their DVD rights.
Here's my opinion:
1. We have oversaturated the market for years now.
2. We have retail stores that overpriced product.
3. We mislead the customer with deceptive practices.
4. We have inferior delivery methods online.
5. We have terrible foreign distribution so anyone outside of the US has to jump thru hurdles to get our DVDs.
6. We are lazy about controlling our content.
7. We'd rather be at a porn party getting a handjob from some hood rat than acting like a legitimate businessperson.
8. We've forgotten that at the end of the day the idea is to make the customer happy.
Did I simplify it too much?

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Harri Patel
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5110 Posts
3/03

Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 3:07AM

Nate, have you ever thought about going into the dry goods field?

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BYOB_Kenobi
Senior Member

“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard
2684 Posts
8/09

Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 9:55AM

BigBobxxx wrote:
Jackass: The Porn Movie
If porn abandons DVD, and goes Blu-ray only at Blu-ray prices, they will lose me as a customer altogether.
If porn becomes more extreme and filled with circus-acts, they will lose me as a customer, as well.
With few exceptions (e.g. Quasarman, Jules Jordan, William H... you guys know who they are), there are not enough talented people with the skills, finances and desire to up the game to "Blu-ray" standards.
As far as more "younger girls" supposedly more flawless friendly to the harsher realities of Blu-ray, you do know that the MILF market is just about the hottest porn demographic going at the moment -- at least for those of us who actually pay for porn.
Honestly, I have serious doubts that, people under 25 who have grown up with technology and porn for free on the Internet, will ever willingly pay for porn.
As has been said, anything Blu-ray will be ripped and posted on the Internet, in standard Internet resolutions, codecs and formats -- effortlessly by 14-year-olds using consumer software
There is no protection scheme, nor will there ever be, that will keep porn, or any other digital media, from being cracked and ripped. Ever.
The only way to beat this (or at least control it), is to go after sites, individuals, endlessly file DMCR notices to remove copyrighted content, etc.
Hell, I'd even support "denial-of-service" attacks on pirate sites if that's what it takes.
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BigBobXXX,
I agree with most of your sediment especially the DVD/Blu-Ray issue. I think just because a technology is available and has applications doesn't mean it's the best choice now. Specifically, if the production costs associated with Blu-Ray is too high, why produce it on that format? Just like I the consumer is ultimately responsible for choosing to buy bad products, the industry is responsible for poor or miss timed choices in technology. There's probably a reason for the disappointing and slow sales in Blu-Ray related to, but beyond the general economy in that a lot of people don't want to buy expensive Blu-Ray players and esp. Blu-Ray movies. Although the prices have come down for Blu-Ray stuff, they are still very high. In a time when gasoline was/is around $3/gallon, people are going to choose gas over porn 99% of the time.
That being said although I don't agree with the effectivity of the strategy and tactics you mentioned. Hasn't the RIAA & MPAA done this already, devoting millions of dollars and lots of time into combating piracy with negligible results? Piracy is like herpes, it's common in one form or another (60% US = HSV1) and will never go away. Didn't Apple create a more cost effective way to combat piracy with micropayment system for music (mp3s)? If you agree that these products are a commodity, then pricing the commodity at much lower price will allow easier access to some customers (i.e., Apple iTunes model).

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BYOB_Kenobi
Senior Member

“Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.” - Kierkegaard
2684 Posts
8/09

Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 9:59AM

BigBobXXX, BTW, I don't wanna hijack the thread, but I have to give you props for your awesome find of the NYT article on health care debate you posted elsewhere.

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user3x
Member

14 Posts
2/08

Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 2:00AM

the biggest factor in the decline of the industry has to be 1.the economy 2.piracy
the economic downturn began in early 2007 when the housing boom went bust along with everything else including porn. personally I began renting and buying less and less in late '07.as we stand now most of what I watch is from the library of titles i purchased prior and have become very picky about what I purchase today.
unemployment among 18-25 year old's is between 20-25% so there go your new customers.and when it looks like this recession is likely to turn into a depression,well,we don't need to tell the industry how much worse it's going to get.
I believe that half the industry won't see the recovery.if you were getting paid $1200 per scene and now you hear of $700 per scene? $500 isn't too far behind. on top of that,now you have to compete with eastern European porn and the emerging Brazilian porn industry.even Argentina is now getting into the mix.in the 90's when we talked about porn everyone pointed to the valley and "private" in Europe.now, porn is global.
Piracy.a big problem that is getting worse by the day.the ball is on the industry's court on this one. and you have to ask yourself,how much are you willing to spend each month to fight it? or how much are you willing to loose every month for doing nothing?
sue,lobby,reduce prices? all at the same time? none? many options but very little action is being taken as we speak.
in conclusion,when the economy recovers and piracy is contained or continues to grow,the industry will be different geographically and financially.the valley may be dethroned when is all said and done. $.99 per scene, $3.99 for a feature download?

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Albarellus
Member

68 Posts
7/07

Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 5:30AM

I'd agree to that price range, although industry professionals may call it ridiculous.

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Flash

Golden Age Classic

11017 Posts
5/01

Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 2:13PM

I'm not industry, but I can tell you those price points would equal a marked reduction in quality. How do you expect to pay for the talent, crew, location, equipment, additional production fees, web costs, etc for that price? The answer is they can't. That price I doubt is even reasonable for an old production that has paid itself off.

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user3x
Member

14 Posts
2/08

Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 4:03PM

well,yes .99 for a scene and 3.99 for a feature download were suggested to brainstorm a little on the future of the industry. I agree those prices are not reasonable but not impossible.
as a photographer I can tell you how cheap it is today to come up with a high end product with less than $2,000 including the camera.5-6 years ago you would have to spend $600 plus on a beauty dish.now you can make one for less than $30 and using your flash instead of expensive dedicated flash units.the DIY movement in photography that I have seen in the last 3 years is now making is way into video.so achieving the look of 30k worth of equipment with a few hundred dollars is now possible.
the cost of talent will continue to decline because with less jobs available generally the lure of a few hundred dollars for less then half days work will flood the industry with talent thus making talent compete for whatever work is available for less money.this happening in every industry in this country.web cost is not a big deal,distribution won't be difficult or expensive.
what I'm really trying to say is that the way that porn business is done today,will be nothing like it will be done 3-5 years from now.maybe $2.99/scene $7.99/feature sounds more like it.there's both downside and upside to this change.it's just a matter of who will adjust and who won't.
I'm very excited to talk about this topic.counter points and ideas on this is of great benefit for the industry.

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ChodeMasterJ
Perpetual Marxist

5405 Posts
4/03

Posted - Aug 29 2009 : 12:15AM

^ that's a very interesting post. the DIY stuff makes a lot of sense.

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