I'm glad Lana cut all her connections with Pierre Woodman. I believe everything she said about his behaviour. Why should she make it up? How could anyone make such a thing up? And as for his denying her accusations: Of course he denies them. Admitting them would be a disadvantage for him. It would reveal what kind of a person he is. It would be bad for his business. And it would need balls! Lana, I hope you leave this traumatic experience behind yourself soon and, most importantly, think of yourself and what is best for yourself. If necessary you should take a break, meet with Stella and other friends you know you can trust. Don't let anyone push you to do things you don't want to do. No agents, no producers, no directors and no fans, either!!!! I wish you all the best in the world!
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sonofharpy Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 7:14AM
Boasting about Manipulating ladies into doing things they do not want to do, that is such a disgrace. And the fucked up fact that he wouldn't take "No" for an answer. Wtf is "We will see how you feel tomorrow", once someone says no it means no. Do you think you can manipulate somebody to do what she doesn't want tomorrow. Also when a double anal or a peeing scene was not scheduled why would you try to shoot it without even talking with the person's agent about it. Such people are a disgrace to this industry, and a reason why so many amazing ladies try hard and fail to survive in it. People like him should be blacklisted or banned. As for Lana I admire your strength and your honesty. Thank you for standing up against people like this. For now you should just enjoy Paris, take rest and maybe meet Stella and then do your shoot with Dorcel. They definitely will take great care of you. Just be strong and do not take too much stress. And ya don't let anyone ever push you to do things you do not want to do. Nobody should have that, you do not deserve that. And also about his "robotic" comment, don't take it to heart, if it were not for your performances you will not be one of the most popular pornstar right now. You are an amazing performer and haters can eff off.
I understand you guys wanting to drop the drama but Lana's gotta tell her side first, Why should she stay shut when someone is going around lying and trying to make her look bad? Lana, I'm so sorry you went through all that shit, What a disgusting pig! I'm glad you recognized your worth and had the courage to leave. Keep that exact mind set, It'll deff help you go far!!!
Thank you Lana for talking so open. I think everyone is shocked here at the moment. We fans buy your movies and I think it´s the right decission when you tell us that such horrible things happened to you because 100% of all real fans want you to be happy with your job and we don´t want to see you paired with people like PW who definitly lost their heart. Pierre did already a lot of damage on many girls, but thankfully the majority of European girls also stopped shotting with him due to similar reasons you told us here. It´s really sad seeing someone behaviour like that by thinking that he can do everything with a girl when having money. It´s my opinion but I think many fans aren´t happy how your agent is involved in that case. I guess you have already the power to get enough bookings on your own and maybe this is already something something you think about if I understand your latest tweet on doing your own productions correctly. I think this decission would give you more freedom in terms of choosing the right performers / companys / scenes you want to be part of. I guess many fans of pissing or double anal will be also angry about the way PW is trying to convince girls to do it. To me PW is also destroying these fetishes and throws a bad light on people who like those kind of sexual acts. For instance I chatted a little bit with Luna Corazon on twitter and she told me basically that she got the same offers from PW but gladly she avoided that and instead of that she was shooting her first anal (!) and double anal (!!) shortly after that for Legal Porno directed by Stefano. She really told me that she was super happy the way how it turned out and the guys Erik Everhard and Mike Angelo (PW´s special friend) did everthing to make it comfortable and enjoyable for her. She also did a pissing scene for GGG lately and basically told me that it was an super exciting experience for her and she is more than happy to NOT have done this with PW. She didn´t had to swallow or anything but she did because it tasted good and she felt sexy. So and here is the point: Shortly after her Legal Porno / GGG scenes she was bashed online by PW for shooting with these companys. Can you believe that? For instance Giorgio Grandi also tweeted something about a scene who probably went not that good, but he would never jump on that train and throw a bad light on a female or male performer by putting their names on social media. What he did was that he made a tweet about the current best girls like Selvaggia, July Sunn etc. and how many great scenes they have shot lately. This is professional if you ask me and it´s clear to me that also a director wants to keep his standards. This is professional if you ask me. I think this is something a lot of people forgot in the past few years. When shooting extraordinary scenes like blowbangs, gangbangs, pissing, lots of swallowing, dap or anything else it is super important that the girls can work together with real GENTLEMAN when they want to try these things out and another thing is that I think we all miss talented GENTLEMAN in US porn like Mike John, Tim Von Swine or Brandon Iron who shot this kind of extraordinary scenes with brilliant camera angles, perfect lightning and they did everything to make every girl as sexy as possible even it was a 20 guy blowbang. Many of their scenes STILL have better quality even beeing shot 10years ago than most of what we see nowadays. Those guys made Pornstars out ouf starlets and they cared about real talent. All of them went kind of broke after the torrent era and loosing their income and it looks like we have to deal now with persons like PW. But I guess at least those people who have a heart will stay away from PW scenes from now on. All the best Lana!
Really sorry for what happened and yet many users before traveling to Europe had warned Lana of the risk she ran shoot with PW I'm particularly sorry for Lana and I think she should be the only agent of herself and decide which scene to shoot and what she does not shoot.
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lefaf Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 8:03AM
so much drama in this thread,it should had stayed closed.
Thank you freinds 🙂 I will read and respond to everything very soon. I just want to say though, derek is still probably the Best agent in porn & I really don't know anything bad I could say about him. He's ok in my book & I clearly have no issue telling the truth. Other agents act like they are your pimp, he respects me, we have a good relationship when I say no he says ok wich is how it should be. If anything I'm at fault for not saying no sooner, I never should have went along with something when I knew pw was bad from the beginning. The only thing he is guilty of is having shitty freinds who betrayed his trust.
There's drama and there's failing to take no for an answer. If a well known porn producer/performer exploits his/her name to coerce others into doing things they don't want to do, they should be outed. Drama is bickering between a couple over buying the wrong brand of ketchup in a store, not alerting the world to someone whose ego apparently won't accept that no means no.
Lana, I think the best thing you can do is really enjoy your time in Europe. You left Budapest early but at least that means you'll have a little extra time in, truly, one of the most magnificent cities in the world. So enjoy it and have fun. I've been there a couple of times and love it each time. And remember the only person who can tell you what to do is Lana Rhoades!This page is 158 pages long. The Woodman stuff has taken up half a page. Lana being here, and being her as regularly as she is, is something we should appreciate. 90% of the stuff in here is goodnatured and I'd be sad to see the last few percent ruin it for everyone else Edited by - forzajuve on 8/20/2017 9:28:25 AM
Lana you need not worry stay focused and be positive. Everyone in the industry and fans are behind you. Thank you for exposing PW. Most girls would now be aware what to expect when shooting with PW.
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JackSparrow Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 9:57AM
too bad the woodman drama did not start before he had her for his site.
The way PW behaves and treats women was public knowledge to anyone who's interested in finding out his methods. Some of his interviews are just so outright creepy and awkward they will give you chills. It's good that Lana stood up to him and left but the reality of the matter is she can afford to do so. She's the biggest name in porn right now with an army of followers behind her she doesn't "have" to take any of his bs. There are so many unknown young girls especially from European countries that don't know their rights that he regularly manipulates into doing whatever he wants. There's was video that he filmed without the model's consent using a hidden camera and later on she convinced her it was ok to release it. I'm reading now she tried to make the Dellai twins lick each other. Today we learned he even uses the "r" word. There are so many examples and the defense is always the same. He denies everything, blames the models and life moves on. It's sad really. Edited by - Fred Norris on 8/20/2017 10:03:32 AM
Lana if you are willing and interested, Giorgio Grandi from LegalPorno is a fantastic director and I believe you could both produce some of the best scenes ever by working together.
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JackSparrow Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 10:38AM
^ seriously dude ?
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sonofharpy Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 10:40AM
^^ Now is not the right time I think, Maybe next time when she will return to Europe, probably Lana is in no mental state nor her agency to consider or schedule any other shoot right now.
Giorgio Grandi requires his female performers to use painkillers for the anal scenes. The purpose of these painkillers is not to protect the models. On the contrary. The purpose of the painkillers is to help Grandi achieve his main ambition, which is to get at least two dicks inserted in the model's anus for the longest possible time, combined with hard, prolonged fucking. If possible even three cocks. And, quite often, to achieve prolapses. All these things are extremely risky for the models. The painkillers multiply that risk, because pain is there to warn you from danger. Without the pain, it takes much longer for the body to register an injury. In my eyes, this does not make Grandi a fantastic director, but someone who puts his models in jeopardy for his own profit. All these facts are well known in this forum, but he still has a lot of fans. I hope Lana avoids Grandi like the plague, just like she does with Pierre Woodman now.
Pierre's latest explanation on his forum: I think Lana has given herself the true answer here : Lana: Please speak with Derek PW: It's night he must sleep! What is going on? What is wrong? Lana: I can't do it. Collect kill fee from derrik. I left. A kill fee for people not in porn, means when a girl is supposed do a job and she fails for a reason which is her full responsabilty, she has to paid the producer the full cost of the production she was supposed to do. Only for medical reason, or because the producer did something very bad to the model a girl escape from this in USA. So when Lana wrote this msg to me, she was calm not angry at all on me as you can see in the conversation and just sure she will do much better money where she was going than staying in Budapest. She also mentionned to her agent and on Twitter she will do Dorcel. OK fine. But then why she flew for one day in Paris and then to London. Why not directly to London. She will have a full week to visit the city next week ... I let anyone with brain understand why she left, why first she was relax and why at the end of the day she thought used me as responsable of this. Reason is simple. She realised she will have to take on her back a KILLFEE much higher than a simple shoot with 3 guys in a hotel bedroom. She must have to paid for Nacho Vidal plane and my special effect shooting + PornDan + 2 days of DDF. And even if there are possibility to avoid the 48 and 72 h later shoot, in any case it was bad for her reputation. So wellcome Pierre Woodman the "Black sheep" !!! PW
So sorry to hear about this Lana...what a dirtbag. Your fans love and support you! Way to stand up for yourself too! Really looking forward to your HardX project! Thank you for all that you do for us, your loyal fans!
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Sammys Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 11:58AM
^^ explanation of what? i dont see any explanation related to the current issue. he is only explaining to us the kill fee concept.
I know the tension in here is high right now but I just gotta say, anybody else loving Porno Dan's new hairdo?
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lefaf Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:06PM
i think pierre means that lana being ok with the kill fee its he thinks because the shot canceling was her fault.a performer or his agent is supposed to give the kill fee to the producer if the producer has nothing to do with the canceling.
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SpencerScottfan Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:13PM
The hypocrit fans blast Woodman , it's a big publicity for them and their disgusting girl /girl and many other things ! I don't like fake porn and Woodman it's one of my taste , so it's my right !
Let me explain it to you then. Pierre is trying to shift the blame to Lana by saying she determined that she could make more money on her European trip somewhere else besides Budapest, so she flaked on the Woodman shoot by making up an excuse to the public that she was treated unfairly and pressured, when (according to Woodman) she really wasn't treated badly and she was actually calm and was using the bad treatment excuse to leave early and to also get out of paying the kill fee.
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Sammys Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:28PM
^ ofcourse he is trying to shift the blame and for that he will say anything. next he will include a dragon and some game of thrones characters in his story. i dont think anything lana accused him of, manipulation, asking her to suck his dick in public, more guys in the room, feeling uncomfortable, unprofessional etc will be == "producer did something very bad to the model".
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:30PM
You're talking about numbing cream? Here's what Alexa Nova had to say about her shoot with Giorgio:I think she should have gotten paid more, but besides that she seems to have had a good time.
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SpencerScottfan Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:31PM
Yeah she tried to discredit Woodman , she is really unfair , she must calm down and working , stop her acting excuse ! she'll win an oscar with this story and it's an orgasm for woodman's haters ! Guys who are frustrated not to fuck a girl whitout a lot of money
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:34PM
No one is saying that it's not your right to like Woodman. However, Lana clearly had a bad experience with him. I don't know what that has to do with being a g/g fan.
^ lol Didn't even put the effort to not write like him. His "explanations" are always nonsensical, pathetic and they don't mean anything except in his brain.What does that even mean? It makes no sense at all and it's not his terrible English.No! At no point in that msg we can see what she was calm and not angry. Where are you even getting that from? Are you mad? If anything that text shows THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what you're suggesting.Again no idea what he's saying. I've read this sentence 10 times and I can't understand what the accusation is. But in his mind it's SIMPLE and he's exposed her. *facepalm*
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Sammys Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:39PM
^ i have read those. what exactly those text msgs explain? Edited by - Sammys on 8/20/2017 12:41:16 PM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:39PM
Bottom line: She didn't want to work with him and that doesn't prevent you from continuing to enjoy his content. Personally, I believe Lana's account and so I don't see any reason for her to be "fair" to Woodman. IMHO he has discredited himself by his own behavior. However, it's your right to believe otherwise.
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SpencerScottfan Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:47PM
Yeah pleasure to insult Woodman , it's your orgasm dude and you like to criticize everyone who is not agrred with your point view or lana's point of view or many other psychopaths who like to hate Pierre woodman because They have nothing to do of their poor life and are jealous that he fuck a lot of models without taking out the banknote plate ! Sorry for my bad english mister professor and know-it-all !
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Sammys Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:50PM
^ i recognize this writing style. there is only one person who writes this way.
It would take a mod 2 minutes to find out if you are him
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SpencerScottfan Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:51PM
yeah because in this business a lot of model are really psychopath , Because of that and my opinion on that I have been banished in this forum long time ago and since I try not to give my opinion because it is forbidden to have an opinion !
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SpencerScottfan Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:52PM
I'm european, but not Pierre Woodman at all it's forbidden to have a bad english like him ?
People should just stop discussing the PW topic and move on. Lana clearly stated that she doesn't want to drag this issue any longer and I honestly don't see the reson for people insisting in bringing it up. Can we please start focusing on Lana's upcoming scenes, like the HardX surprise, the Dorcel scene and other positive things and leave this already uninteristing incident behind us?
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SpencerScottfan Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:54PM
You recognise nothing , you don't know me stop to be master and to do the law like a powerfull cowboy in this forum poor guy !
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hashphish Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:55PM
Really hope this topic doesn't get locked again.
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sonofharpy Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 12:58PM
Can you guys stop trying to get this thread locked again, this issue is between Woodman and Lana, you guys fighting each other here makes no sense. Support one or the other's version of the story and be done with it, we don't need replies or counter replies and trying to pull each other down.
