I agree. I've brought it up a few times and I'm sure it's probably been discussed at length at some point.
I'm not sure that the women would really have too much of a problem with it. I'm pretty sure their male real life partners would be the ones to strongly protest.
"WTF? Not only are you fucking the guy but you're kissing him too? Don't tell ME that doesn't mean anything!"
Of course, in my view, kissing doesn't HAVE to mean you're madly in love with the person. It can just be another way of expressing lust, desire and pleasure.
I've kissed women I wasn't in love with and I'm pretty sure they realized that. But most people do interpret it as a way to express love. I wish they would do it but it's probably wishful thinking.
In my opinion, this is why porn becomes more and more extreme over time. At first a viewer is satisfied with just seeing people fuck. But after a while, they realize something's missing. But what? So, they seek out stronger stuff and it, too, satisfies them for a while. Pretty soon, they realize something's STILL missing and on and on and on.
It's the intimacy. As good as plain old fucking can be, it can never completely replace intimacy. Cold, emotionless sex can be great sometimes if you have the real thing to go to bed with every night but if you try existing on porn alone, you'd better have a lot of patience and money to spend to find the small numbers of well made movies in which there are real sparks and feelings between the participants.
I don't see a lot of kissing at all. I've seen it probably more in lesbian movies (which is unbelievably hot when it's the real deal). But really....I don't think you can expect such a fundamental change in what porn is and how it's made to happen overnight. They can give you triple anal, toe licking, butt licking, whatever but you can't simulate real chemistry.
Edited by - RandomPrecision on 1/15/2007 12:57:48 AM
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Posted - Jan 15 2007 : 3:32AM
Also, many porn fans just can't handle looking at a guy's face. It's why you don't see much pussy eating either.
And just about anything from Girlfriends Films, Viv Thomas, TNV Video, Bellezza Video, etc.
My sense about Bongiorno is that he's a small company and doesn't put out the volume or get the distribution that we want to see. In other words, this sh*t may go out of print soon.
Kissing is alive and well if you know where to look.
I agree. More kissing please. The porn being made now days seems unlike real sex and too much of the same formula. Besides the tortured "hot" noises made by the women it often seems that neither parties are all that excited to touch each other.
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Posted - Jan 15 2007 : 12:50PM
I too would like to see more kissing in b/g scenes (g/g scenes too, I suppose). I think just about most every b/g scene should at least have one kiss or two at the start of the scene before the sex starts. It just makes it more realistic.
To answer RandomPrecision's question, I think there are two reasons that some guys don't want to see the actor's face in b/g scenes: First, it ruins the fantasy that they, the watcher, are the ones fucking and sucking with the woman in the scene. But, also, I think a lot of guys are sent into something of a gay panic while watching b/g porn. Seeing a hard cock is one thing (again, they can pretend it is their schlong) but seeing the face attached to the cock just freaks them out: OMG! I am whacking it to a scene/visual stimulus that contains an actual male and not just a disembodied weiner. It just freaks some of us out.
First I will say that I want more kissing in both B/G and G/G scenes.
Second I will say that I only want to see the guy's head when it is important to do so. If he is kissing the girl, fine. If he is saying something that I actually might want to hear (which is seldom, to be sure) or if his head is just there because it is a medium or long shot and it happens to fit in, also fine.
There are two reasons I am not super fond of seeing the guy's head. #1 Seriously, who wants to see Brian Surewood's head? #2 Really what I want is for the focus to be on the girls body. Having the guy's head to worry about just puts another constraint on the photographer/videographer. I don't want him to worry about framing the shot as if the guy's head is important. What is important is the girl. If the guy's head comes along for the ride, I won't be squicked or anything, but I don't want him worrying about it as he captures the action because it just is not important.
When this mainly comes up is in doggy style. I much prefer a tighter shot that cuts the guy off at the torso just because this fits her body into the frame better. On the other hand, if they are doing missionary his head naturally fits in and I certainly don't want the camera guy doing some unnatural framing just to cut the guy's head out.
I guess it is not so much that I don't want to see their heads as I consider them superfluous.
That really all depends on the viewer's imagination. I don't have a 10 inch dick, either but I have no problems imagining that the ten inch dick (even if it's black, Asian or whatever) in the scene is mine. It is possible to (mentally) completely superimpose yourself over the dude in the scene. And it really isn't that difficult. I don't even really notice the guy's face unless he says something funny or crazy.Well, that's really a personal thing with the viewers who feel that way. Personally, I'm comfortable enough with myself that even if I did get an odd feeling, it wouldn't really bother me. But I don't get an odd feeling because I've been watching porn for years, seen it all a thousand times and it's just normal to me to see the guy's face when he wants to eat her out or kiss her.
Edited by - RandomPrecision on 1/15/2007 6:16:10 PM
It's not so much the matter of seeing the dude's face. It's the fact that I can't stand looking at a pretty girl kiss some ugly dude with big biceps. It turns me off...but that's just me. I feel for the girls who are actually forced to kiss these dudes any damn ways.
I like g/g kissing in porn. I enjoy the hard stuff but I also believe that deep kissing is a very important part of any sexual encounter ...whether it be 'erotica" or nasty Gonzo porn. When people have sex , they usually kiss ALOT...I know that I do when I have sex with my girlfriend.
I have seen GF films...the kissing is soft and lame , as is the case with "bongiorno" , Bellezza , and TNV. Viv Thomas is the only one who has good kissing out of all these other companies. I would like to buy many of Viv's movies but they take VERY long to come out in North America. In addition to that , I don't see why there can't be more kissing in the local "hardcore" mainstream g/g titles. They can do it but many directors and producers don't care to add into the mix.
I don't watch b/g scenes. They do nothing for me. The only time that I will have any interest is if there are 2 women and a man...but the man can't be too dominant. I do not need to identify with the male when I watch porn.
I have my girlfriend that I love and have sex with. I don't care to see other men having sex on film...I don't hate men , it simply doesn't turn me on. It actually turns me off more than anything else. My fantasy is watching 2 women together....that's all. :)
