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Whyspers2Scorpio
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Posted - Feb 22 2018 : 11:48PM
If you want an idea of what a great breast enhancement looks like, two words - Abigail Mac and she smartly told her dr: 'When I got them, I was 19, I told my doctor I wanted them to look as natural as possible' from an interview she did with Captain Jack. When you practically can't tell the difference is when it's done right.
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pat362
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Posted - Feb 23 2018 : 10:05AM
^That may have been her wish and it may be what her surgeon planned to offer her but the reality is that she got lucky in this particular type of lottery. I can assure you that while not every person who decides to get implants expects them to look as natural as possible. A surgeon can never guarantee that the implants will look natural prior to operating because he doesn't know. I'm pretty sure your average woman doesn't want her nipples to point in weird directions after getting implants nor does she want the implants to look like her breasts are lopsided.
Edited by - pat362 on 2/23/2018 1:38:45 PM
smiffy
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Posted - Feb 23 2018 : 10:21AM
Lip fillers are hideous, they ALWAYS look bad.
I lose interest in a pornstar if she does it.
If I ran a studio I'd ban any performer with lip filler from my set.
fanofman
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Posted - Mar 7 2018 : 4:07PM
See recent reddit post by Lana Rhoades about Lip and Breast enhancements.
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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/lanarhoades/comments/82prxi/note_from_lana_rhoades_xoxo/
 
Dread
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Posted - Mar 7 2018 : 11:29PM
Man,y'all trip and flip out way to much about what Lana has done to herself (not only here but her subreddit is filled with it as well). Personally i think she's still hot as fuck, and possibly even hotter with the bigger boobs and ass fat injections she's done.
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RelentlessOnanism
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Posted - Mar 8 2018 : 7:35AM
^I think the boob job looks pretty good, although it wasn't really needed, but the rest was all so unnecessary. She's one of the most beautiful girls ever to enter the industry and certainly didn't need to do anything to her face. It's insane. Perhaps she suffers from some sort of body dysmorphia?
Karnivore
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Posted - Mar 8 2018 : 2:17PM
Anyone mentioned the hack job on Eva Notty? Part of me died after I saw what she did. I presume she's happy with it and that's all that matters, but she had an amazing natural rack.
Also Yurizan Beltran (god bless her soul), she was lovely pre boob job.
Edited by - Karnivore on 3/8/2018 2:18:34 PM
PCP_is_Back
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Posted - Mar 8 2018 : 5:29PM
Everybody has an opinion, but I also am a fan of fake boobs. Some look better than others, but 95% of the time, the augmentation looks better than the original rack.
If it didn't make girls more money, they wouldn't go through with it.
RelentlessOnanism
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Posted - Mar 8 2018 : 5:58PM
^As I've said before on this thread, I don't mind boob jobs. Generally, I'm of the opinion that bigger is better when it comes to tits (within reason) and I quite like a big set of fake breasts...
...but it's the lip injections and botox etc that I really dislike.
Dread
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Posted - Mar 8 2018 : 10:15PM
I mean, some women are actually into the bimbo look. Lana seems like one of them. I'm not one to judge, just enjoy. For record, i like the new look Lana better.
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PCP_is_Back
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Posted - Mar 8 2018 : 10:40PM
The lip thing is really a bit much on some of these women, but lets not pretend like a thread here will curb it.
As far as Lana, I think the reason I don't care is because I'm not attracted to her or impressed with her as a performer. I've seen her new breast and honestly, don't find them that radical. If I were a fan, i might be more affected, but other women like Sophie Dee, Ava Lauren and Allison Tyler all benefited from fully firmer breast.
Good for Lana, I don't think the breast will inhibit her career at all.
rimmersclone
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 5:08AM
Considering the amount of cosmetic surgery that's in the industry, are there recommended doctors? Tips learned from past experience?
Draxxx
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Posted - Mar 12 2018 : 8:39PM
I'm sure there are some doctors who are good and the girls recommend to other girls but like I said earlier...it's entirely possible to go to a good doctor and not get good results because there are so many variables. The procedure that gave one girl great results might not work for another. Sometimes, the girl will ask for something that the doc might go along with but doesn't yield the best results but the doc did it because she insisted to go that route.
Slave2Booty
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Posted - Apr 7 2018 : 1:52AM
Am I just imagining things or did Lana get her butt enhanced as well?
Never mind I just read the Reddit post above.
Edited by - Slave2Booty on 4/7/2018 1:56:00 AM
 
Whyspers2Scorpio
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Posted - Jan 3 2019 : 12:48AM
I admittedly don't understand surgical enhancement of the lips above the waist. Labiaplasty I get for a variety of reasons as some folks feel they have too much hanging out but your mouth? All too easy to look like a duck or fish face or almost like a Barbie doll. Now I'm not telling anyone what to do or not to do with their bodies but my opinion is leave the upstairs lips alone.
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kawaherb
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Posted - Jan 3 2019 : 10:14AM
I agree. I am a real lover of fake boobs. Most girls look better after a boobjob. Sadly, the golden days of fake boobs (thinking of Krystal Steal <3, Jenna Jameson, Briana Banks) seem to be over, because fewer and fewer girls get their chests enhanced. At least it is my impression.
Whyspers2Scorpio
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Posted - Sep 15 2019 : 11:19PM
^

Oh believe me, there are plenty of people still getting work done. The best do it in such a fashion that you don't even notice, the worst well - you can tell. Kind of painfully obvious.

biggins
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Posted - Sep 16 2019 : 11:49AM
It's not just porn. Holly sonders was a super hot chick who did a little at first and now is only about 32 years old and looks like a
manaquin ! Former golf channel girl now dating head coach of the arizona cardinals
Fivedollars
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Posted - Dec 3 2021 : 7:48AM
Most boob jobs appear to be designed to look good IN clothing not nude. There are some really good breast augmentations but they do not seem to be the majority. Eventually, performers get these as their careers go long. Age and gravity. Keep natural as long as you can.

Obvious lip fillers are bad. Like, really bad. Butt fillers are just weird and probably the most out of place. Like Pop Eye forearms without the biceps and triceps. Where are the matching thighs?

No names, but I recently saw a performer who has the face fillers and breast implants. Both, objectively, were not needed and the new look is kinda off putting.

Side note: gruadual changes, not sudden. Give the clientele time to adjust.

tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 3 2021 : 8:28PM
Boob Jobs are always welcome, but these trout mouths are getting out of hand. It's one thing to get "The Muppet Mouth" then you pout or plump your lips for photos and you honestly start to take on clown like features. A little lip would be ok, but everyone appears to be going overboard.
machoman
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Posted - Dec 4 2021 : 1:41AM
I am also a fan of boob jobs up to a point. But like mentioned here before. Some are better than others but I like them as long as they are proportional to the girls body.
TopStoryToday
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Posted - Dec 4 2021 : 5:37AM
Two words : diversity and comfort.

Girl likes to enhance herself by cosmetic procedure- yes
Girl being pressured to so- no

Some girls choosing to go under knife- yes
All girls doing so: no

Girl owning her surgeries-yes
Girl denying any surgeries- turn off

I believe a cosmetic procedure can be really well done. And we should be taking advantage of advancement in technology and biochemistry because why not.


Draxxx
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Posted - Dec 4 2021 : 6:23PM
The huge disadvantage porn girls getting boob jobs vs most "civilian" women betting breast augmentation is civilian women getting work done don't have a camera shooting close ups shots of their breasts in all types of positions to an audience who are watching and are all to happy to call out any flaws they see. Also, porn girls usually want to or have to go back to work before the procedures are fully healed. It could take many months before the surgery heals completely to it's final look. Post boob jobs at 2 months look different than those same boobs at 6 months. So yeah, of course boobs jobs in clothes may look better than boob jobs nude where a person can look them over to find flaws. But that's the same for natural breasts also.

Many of you will disagree but boob jobs have improved overall over the years. From what I see the number of "bad" boob jobs is much lower than it used to be. The majority of complaints I see in these threads aren't really about "bad" boob jobs as much they're about anti-boob job people complaining about any girl getting them regardless of the outcome. We also have the people who simply hate that a girl changed her look. I laugh at the poster who will always proclaim: "Why did she ruin herself? She was perfect before!" First of all she wasn't "perfect" before and she probably had so-so breasts that no one cared about and the augmentation upgraded her appeal and looks and made her happier. Secondly, if that same exact girl entered the biz with that same exact boob job many of the same people complaining about her procedure would be carrying on about how big and/or good her breasts look.

Keep in mind that a good boob job isn't based on what any individual porn stroker deems "good". Ava Addams has big fake breasts. Danielle Derek has big fake breasts. I think both are well done boob jobs. Ava's are big and look (in my eyes) natural. They look good on her frame and other than the size look like a very good set of natural breasts. I'm sure that's the look she wanted. Danielle Derek's boobs look like 2 big balloons and don't look natural at all...but they look great for the type of look she's going for. She didn't want or was going for a "natural" look and she has a fanbase that loves her look and she seems extremely happy with them as far as I can tell. I don't think you can judge whether boob jobs are "good" simply based on how natural they look because believe it or not every girl walks in to the doctor's office look for "natural" looking boobs. Natural boobs aren't always the best looking boobs. In my opinion there are more girls with better looking big fake breasts and girls with big natural breasts overall.

WildeMan
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Posted - Dec 6 2021 : 11:42AM
For me, most of the time, plastic surgery is hot. A silent majority agrees and our wallets reinforce this. I'm sorry you don't enjoy the changes, but I find the intensity and vigor of the protests, "ruined herself" "always horrible", "disgusting" to be wild. Most women debut without any enhancements. Enjoy them then, and then let us enjoy them.
 
bumblaster
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Posted - Dec 8 2021 : 4:27PM
Girls getting plastic surgery (I'm not talking corrective surgery) or enhancements in their 20s is plain weird to me.
tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 8 2021 : 9:24PM
Boob Jobs are always welcome! Once you reach your 20's they just ain't gonna grow any more. The lips and cheeks are a bit disturbing to me though. 95% percent of the nose jobs are terrible and either women are seeing the wrong surgeon or overfilling their asses, because recent butt injections are leaving asses square and lopsided.

My biggest issue is talent going to far. A nip or tuck turns into a puppet/muppet face and the real problem is once you do it, you don't age gracefully and any weight gain throws off the symmetry. Courtney Cox was an absolute message before she got her face fixed and even now, it's not completely natural.

Kasiall
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Posted - Dec 9 2021 : 7:17PM
I just don't understand lip fillers. I just find them so unattractive; there are literally zero instances in which I've thought that lip fillers enhance someone's beauty or sexuality. Am I in the minority? Apparently so, because I just cannot explain their popularity.
bumblaster
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Posted - Dec 10 2021 : 8:36AM
^I too have never thought to myself "she looks better with lip fillers".

My reaction is always "is she having an allergic reaction to something, quick call 911"

Big_Tits_Addict
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Posted - Dec 10 2021 : 3:10PM
A bit off topic but concerning breast implants it honestly annoys me when I visit model/girl profiles at some sites and it displays outdated measurements.

I know the webmasters obviously don't bother to keep track of every single girl who gets a boost (or in some cases a reduction) but if a girl shoots a recent scene you would think they would make some effort to update the stats as they're uploading the newest scene.

iafd is guilty of this too. Sometimes I visit a profile and know the girl's bra size is much bigger. Consistency is weird. Sometimes they will update the profile to the new stats, other times they'll keep the original size but add the new measurements in a Comments tab less people will notice...

Depending on the performer I'm somewhat tempted to try and contact a porn site's or network's contact us page so their info can be more up-to-date but on the other hand they might not care or will ignore me unless I'm a member.

Suppose another question is should a site's profile of a girl only be updated if a she has shot a new scene with her size increase/decrease or should it be updated regardless even if she never shoots for them ever again?

Edited by - Big_Tits_Addict on 12/10/2021 3:13:26 PM

tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 10 2021 : 3:45PM
I'm not a fan either, I'd rather have natural lips, but there is a big different between plump and kissing a curling iron. Just do a little to give more shape, if it looks unnatural, it ruins your look.
Draxxx
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Posted - Dec 12 2021 : 12:48PM
If they're done correctly and not overdone lip fillers can make a woman more attractive. I suspect there are lots of girls who have lip fillers and we just don't know because they've always had them and they aren't over inflated. If a girl with well done or even moderately done lip fillers/injections starts her porn career with them there's no before pics of her to compare her to and most people would have no idea she has them.

And the big bee-stung lips can work for certain girls going for a certain look. It's just that not everyone is into that look and some people have the attitude of "fake equals bad".

bumblaster
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Posted - Dec 14 2021 : 6:56AM
^the problem is that often fake is done badly thus it does wind up equalling bad.
tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 14 2021 : 1:47PM
I don't agree with you fully. I will say that I don't believe I have never seen a lip job that I liked, but again, that is because either the female or doctor decide to go to unnatural lengths. When you do that, I think the mind honestly has issues processing it.

Boob Jobs on the other had have improved and in 85% of the cases I approve. One problem was for the longest time, you didn't have to be a plastic surgeon or regular surgeon for that matter. You only had to be a MD. Any doctor with an MD could attempt the surgery and there was more than one horror story of a perverted Dentist that botched a boob job. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe you have to be board certified in Plastic Surgery to do breast augmentation now.

Skill comes into play, but even the best have boob jobs that don't turn out well. Sometimes the women's body doesn't agree with the implant leading to scaring, swelling and a host of other issues and some women don't follow the advise of their doctor. I've also seen many performers with amazing breasts, go back for larger sizes or different shapes and completely ruining their look.

Feet N Ass
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Posted - Dec 15 2021 : 11:50AM
In your opinion. I think that 90% of recent boobjobs look good. Not always better than they were natural, but still good. Of course, that is just my opinion. What I don't understand is when people pass judgement on a performer's implants before we have even seen them.

The most important thing for me is that the implants achieve what the performer wanted from them: happier and/or more body confident. Which in turn will hopefully lead to more confident performances in scenes.

As to lip fillers, I prefer natural, but don't mind them. Even if they have a drastic change, I get used to it eventually. Again, if they get more confidence from them, then good for them.

Always feet n ass. In that order.

 
tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 15 2021 : 3:39PM
I don't find it off topic and I agree 100%, I also hate when new scene drop9 months after surgery with the old breast. I'll never understand why anyone would sit on content.
Simple Simon
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Posted - Dec 15 2021 : 8:51PM
Exactly. Every one's individual body is going to respond to surgery differently.
Ummm, can I ask who you are approving to?
tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 15 2021 : 10:09PM
I'm talking about my personal opinion. In most cases I'm extremely happy with breast augmentation. However, in respect of talent and what I perceive as the rules of this place, I'll give a 15% example. I hated Bridgette B's boob job, they were large, but they also hung low, I didn't understand who would have requested or been satisfied with such a job. She kept them for years, but a year or so ago, she had them redone to look more augmented, firm and traditional.

I also thought Megan Rain got an amazing boobjob, but after she wouldn't show them, it was clear she had an issue. She claimed they were too big and too far apart. Clearly personal preference, because I had zero complaints. They may have been further apart than natural breast, but when you put on a bra, they look amazing and also exaggerate the fullness and the curves of the body. She had them reduced and repositioned.

I think it made her happier, but I saw zero flaw with the original job, but seeing as she had to live with it, her opinion was the only one to truly count.

Draxxx
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Posted - Dec 16 2021 : 7:02AM
The thing is that Bridgette's old boob job looked more like 'natural' boobs. Natural big boobs hang and sag. That's what some people like and that's what some girls want. But like I keep pointing out there are a lot of girls who get boobjobs who specifically don't want "natural" looking boobs. They want volume and firmness. Most natural big boobs don't have that. Most of the people who complain about boobs looking fake are talking about the volume and firmness. I thought Bridgette's old boobs looked good on her body just as I think Ava Addams big sagging (not in a bad way) boobs look great on her frame. However, those same type of boobs don't look as good on every body type...at least being that big. I think Bridgette's new boobs will look just fine in time. I think she showed them off a bit early before they had chance to heal some more. But the important thing is that she's happy with the outcome. And yeah boob jobs have improved over the years and most of them these days range from okay to great. The percentage of bad ones have fallen quite a bit.
tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 16 2021 : 8:03PM
Haven't seen Bridge in a while, not sure if it's a covid thing or not. Both she and Jada got the same boob job at the same time. I was not a fan of either. Jada is long gone, so no need in going there, but I like Bridgettes new boobs and even though she showed them swollen, and scared, it showed a level of confidence every talent should posses. Honestly, I think they will always look scared, because of the level of cutting the surgeon did, but yes, in time it won't be as obvious.

I get that the intent was to look natural, but why, fake boobs are exactly that, so realize that all the strippers, actors and trophy wives alike have gravity defying overfilled breast and joint the club.

Feet N Ass
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Posted - Dec 17 2021 : 11:19AM
^ Because some performers like the natural shape of their breasts, they just want them a bit (or a lot) bigger.

Always feet n ass. In that order.

tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 17 2021 : 2:12PM
Implants come in all shapes and sizes and I have never seen breast that looked that way with he exception of older talent that had implants for a decade without having them redone. I'm happy Bridgette decided to have them redone.
Feet N Ass
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Posted - Dec 17 2021 : 2:53PM
^ I was talking about some performers in general and not Bridgette in particular. And I'm not suggesting that natural-looking implants look the same as natural big boobs, just that they look more natural than the obviously fake ones. But whatever look the performer goes for, I normally end up appreciating the end result.

Always feet n ass. In that order.

Draxxx
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Posted - Dec 18 2021 : 11:38AM
To get that shape and look the surgeon had to lift them and reshape them. That's not an easy procedure to do well. You have to cut away a bunch of skin, remove the nipples, tuck it together and re-attach the nipples, and re-sew it all back together. I guess it took a level of confidence to show them before they healed more but it I feel it might've none her more harm than good. Most of the people who saw those pictures didn't react well to seeing her breasts look like that and probably decided they didn't like how they looked and simply decided to write her off and not watch anymore not realizing her breasts would look better in time. I can understand her sharing with her fans but there was nothing to gain by showing off the procedure so soon. I like Bridgette and know they'll look better the more they heal but even so I probably won't be watching her new scenes untill some time has passed and more healing is allowed to happen.
Draxxx
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Posted - Dec 18 2021 : 12:11PM
It all depends what the girl starts with and how big she wants to get. For example I think Tera Patrick had a great natural looking boob job. The reason her's turned out so natural looking was because she already had size with a bit of natural sag. So the implants just made what was already there just bigger without changing the natural shape much. If a girl is starting out with a natural C-cup or larger and got implants (that are well done) she'd get good natural looking results with volume and hang/sag. If a girl is starting out with an A or B cup it's going to look less natural if she tries to go big. She could attain that natural look but it would take more than one operation because to get that natural looking hang the skin would have to stretch over time and new implants would have to be inserted to get that "drop".

Also keep in mind that in porn there have been eras of boobs. Right now the young petite girls with small boobs are more popular in porn. I the 90s it was more the huge fake boob look. In the 2000s the overall look was more medium natural looking sizes and the girls with the D cups and bigger did it mostly to stand out in the crowd. The 70s looked to be mostly totally natural. I think the 80s had boob jobs but they weren't as common and the boob jobs overall probably weren't that good. The 80s seem to be the beginning of when looks were more important and the girls tried to look more like models.

That's my take on all this. Feel free to disagree.

Simple Simon
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Posted - Dec 18 2021 : 5:56PM
^ "attain that natural look ... would take more than one operation because to get that natural looking hang the skin would have to stretch over time and new implants would have to be inserted to get that "drop"."

I've never heard of this. So people go in knowing they are going to require multiple surgeries to get the appearance they desire?

HangingFile
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Posted - Dec 19 2021 : 1:15AM
I absolutely hate it. I simply can't watch scenes with obvious implants, especially lip injections.
Very hard to watch some of my favorites after new boobs...sometimes I can if they aren't too huge, but it's very disappointing. They were perfect before.
It's not AS BAD with ts girls, but even so, if they go too big, it's just gross to me.
I know it's none of my business, but I just wish more would keep the goodies they have, it's just so much more beautiful.
Draxxx
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Posted - Dec 19 2021 : 10:04AM
When a girl has her consultation with the doctor she tells or shows the doctor the desired looks she wants. From there the doctor explains what type of operation it would take to achieve that look or explain why it isn't possible. If a girl is small and wants to go big it will have to happen in stages. The main reason for this is because there simply might be enough skin to encase a big implant. The skin does stretch but can only stretch so far without causing it trama if stretching it at once. So it's best to expand it little by little over time. This is usually achieved by putting in Expander implants. Expanders are implants that have a valve that allows more fluid to be added over time allowing the breasts to become bigger and the skin to slowly stretch over time. Sometimes it's decided to have multiple surgeries putting in bigger implants each time to get to the desired size. If a girl wants that more natural type of sag/hang it might take another or different type of implant to get that look after the skin has been stretched.

Most people see a bad or not so great boob job and automatically blame the doctor but in many cases the girl can be the cause of less than desirable results. There are many different procedures to get desired or different results. The doc could recommend a procedure to get a result but the girls chooses not to do it that way. There are different shape implants that give different looks. There saline and silicone implants and each have different types. Implants can be placed over or under the muscle. The implant can be inserted several different ways. Sometimes to get a more natural or pleasing look the nipples may need to be moved or reduced. All of these options/choices cost different amounts and some require different amounts of recovery time. So in some cases the girl chooses to go a cheaper route or goes against the doctors recommendations or doesn't do the amount of proper post surgery care or follow ups.

Simple Simon
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Posted - Dec 19 2021 : 4:41PM
^ Wow! Thanks.

I saw a documentary on women going to Thailand for breast enlargement surgery. The women were only first meeting the surgeon the day before.

Somewhere else I read a woman say: we all go to Thailand because it's cheaper and they do them bigger.

Lezzyist
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Posted - Dec 19 2021 : 10:32PM
It seems a rare occasion when one of these surgeries doesn't look absolutely hilarious. Sucks that so many girls feel pressured into this stuff.
tastethetang
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Posted - Dec 20 2021 : 1:27AM
For the record,no surgery s easy, there is always a risk for complication. The only thing worse than surgery is surgery to fix surgery.
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