Is that really News?
Seems pretty known to me that Lisa Ann is no friend of Derek Hay.
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| tintintin Senior Member 1230 Posts 8/07 |  Posted - Aug 17 2017 : 6:53AM [Link] |
| Quorrl Senior Member 2835 Posts 3/11 | Posted - Aug 17 2017 : 8:09AM Is that really News? Seems pretty known to me that Lisa Ann is no friend of Derek Hay. [Link] |
| BeaMia Deactivated User 98 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Aug 17 2017 : 8:15AM [Link] |
| shalalin Senior Member 1741 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Aug 17 2017 : 6:07PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 18 2017 : 7:54AM [Link] |
| zaxmate Senior Member 8384 Posts 5/15 | Posted - Aug 19 2017 : 3:36PM Actually number of veteran performers called him out over the years [Tweet is no longer available] [Tweet is no longer available] [Tweet is no longer available] [Tweet is no longer available] [Link] |
LCF  All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 19 2017 : 6:18PM According to some rumors I heard this is the man who strongarmed Siri out of the business , the man who maybe have strongarmed the same way those who helped her and ignored his ban , such as Nica Noelle among the others. The man who kept booking girls during the moratorium after the Syphilis outbreak and fined $ 1,000 those who refused because of their health concerns. The man who kept booking Alex Gonz for years knowing he had Epatithys C just because it isn't listed among the STDs . It was LIsa Ann who exposed this fact because she found herself paired with him even though he was in her hell no list Also I'm not sure whereas he caused the meltdown of an actress who found herself paired three times in a row with a man she didn't want to perform with because it was her ex-boyfriend with whom she parted badly and he knew it but didn't care Edited by - LCF on 8/19/2017 6:36:04 PM [Link] |
| lex von v Senior Member 2511 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Aug 19 2017 : 8:13PM not to mention the Morgan Lee story, and apparently other similar cases. It appears his top earners (Chechik, Rhoades, et al.) may have only praise for him, but if you're not in the top league, it appears to be a whole different story. [Link] |
| ISS Member 188cm85kg20cm 977 Posts 7/17 | Posted - Aug 19 2017 : 9:26PM [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 2:14AM [Link] |
| lefaf Deactivated User 5776 Posts 10/14 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 4:21AM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 4:53AM [Link] |
| lex von v Senior Member 2511 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 5:16AM As I recall Morgan Lee wasn't released from her contract, so she was forced to sit the rest of the apparently company standard 2 years out without any bookings etc. As soon as you want to leave: - you don't get bookings anymore - you're held to your contract and cannot get another agent - otherwise those who booked you in-between will not get access to L.A. direct represented talent anymore - otherwise agents who took you over will similarly feel the pressure as other talent represented by them will not be allowed to work with other L.A. direct represented talent. The short of it: Morgan Lee wasn't able to perform for more than half a year, and soon after she came back, she announced her retirement, effectively leaving us with half a year of missed scenes that could otherwise have been there. That's not to say Morgan wouldn't have quit the same time she did in this situation, or earlier, but it's still a shitty behavior towards the models. [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 5:57AM It's not even just that. The contract performers sign when they go to LA Direct basically states that all bookings have to go through them, no matter what. Which doesn't sound bad until you realize that unless you're a star, how much you get booked is all about making personal connections with the producers and other performers and being available as much as you can, even if that means short notice. Which generally means that while you're doing most of the work to get yourself booked, but the agency is still taking their cut, and can sometimes reject the booking (like if it's with one of the production companies or performers they don't like at the moment). I've seen more than a few performers get annoyed about getting dinged on that. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 8/20/2017 5:58:34 AM [Link] |
| Daime Deactivated User 28 Posts 8/17 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 9:37AM [Link] |
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| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 10:06AM That's a very persistent rumor actually there's a good number of stars who do , though some of them do not have IR in their list for hiring yet they do it. According to Siri he has an extensive interpretation of his contract even for things who aren't there , for example , feature dancing and camming , he wants his share even when the stars did book themselves while he was declining work some acresses claimed he was even telling in provate about them being seek so that they weren't even request for booking and yet if they found a way to book themselves passing over his Agency he has the nerves to ask for his share. He's extremely powerful , he represents males other than women if he placklists your company you may face really bad times , you may book stars from other agents but then whom are you pairing them with? Also he's chairman for Agents association if I recall well [Link] |
| Daime Deactivated User 28 Posts 8/17 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 10:26AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 11:00AM Well Megan Rain, Hadley Viscara and Tiffany Watson don't have IR listed and yet they did, do , will do aplenty [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 11:22AM Lana said that it was her choice to not be listed for IR because she doesn't believe that the category should be distinguished from b/g. That doesn't seem practical for bookings (studios who aren't familiar with her views might reasonably assume that she is not available for IR), but she said on her thread that she has something coming up for IR fans soon. I believe her. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 1:40PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 1:46PM [Link] |
| Daime Deactivated User 28 Posts 8/17 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 2:40PM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 3:26PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 3:28PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 3:34PM And, given the overall transient nature of the girls, the limited amount of jobs vs amount of talent, and the concept of porn itself, why anyone is shocked at what goes on BTS, I'll never know. Edited by - rosco fuji on 8/20/2017 3:40:08 PM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 3:40PM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 3:49PM If I hire a lawyer to represent me in a court and he gets more money from my opponent to idly represent his best interests in that court , whould you still say it's a matter of commission? [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 4:10PM Edit: And now that I think about, the more likely scenario isn't sliding in the higher priced performer, it's sliding in the new performer that you're looking to get established/make a star over the performer that's already established. Edit 2: An in terms of IR, it seems that LA Direct in general suggests to new performers that they don't start off doing it, but doesn't necessarily force them not to. They got Hadley into a Blacked scene within a month or two of being in the industry, for example, and there are other newer performers he reps that already shoot/have shot IR like Lily Ford or Aubrey Sinclair. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 8/20/2017 4:14:54 PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 4:18PM ^well, no one forces the girl to sign with any particular agent, so I'm sure it's understood up front that if the client finds a job on her own, her agent still gets a cut. Unlike most of the posters here, I take most of what performers say with a grain of salt and not as gospel as I tend to lean more to the mgmt side of things, I.E. the producers of content, the agents, etc etc. Could Hay be as unscrupulous as the claims? Possibly, IDK, never met the guy, but given the overall nature of the business, there very well could be valid points on both sides. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 5:01PM [Link] |
| BangersAndMash Member 290 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 7:01PM Hay is vermin and his staff are scum, too. Watch the Louis Theroux documentary from 2012, they go into LA Direct and talk to the staff, who have nothing but contempt for the performers, one fat old cow is openly disgusted by the performers she deals with. Hay is a misogynist who trades in flesh, he is butcher, except real butchers respect the meat they work with. Nikki Jayne had lucky escape. Edited by - bangersandmash on 8/20/2017 7:08:55 PM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 9:31PM [Link] |
| Daime Deactivated User 28 Posts 8/17 | Posted - Aug 20 2017 : 10:18PM [Link] |
| Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 12:40AM [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 12:53AM [Link] |
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| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 12:56AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 6:50AM [Link] |
| Dat_1_Dude Senior Member 1779 Posts 1/15 | Posted - Aug 21 2017 : 11:34PM And is this not the same agency that had August Ames, when she was allegedly forced to stay weekends at an agent's house? Also, I went to check the agency page, and after seeing the banner of the star talent, Tori Black's appearance is quite ironic given all the other females on the banner and "preferences" [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 12:15AM Shy Love has run her own agencies for years now (first ATMLA, then she sold that and started VIP Connect). And I'm not super sure, but I don't think August has ever been signed to LA Direct. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Aug 22 2017 : 12:19PM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Aug 23 2017 : 12:13AM Performers signing contracts with an agency isn't actually a uncommon thing. Performers leaving said contracts before they run out isn't an uncommon thing either. The way it usually works is that there's a buyout in the contract, so either the performer can buy themselves out, or if another agency thinks that performer is worth it, they can buy the contract out themselves. What seems to happen with LA Direct performers is that if they don't like the terms of their contract, for whatever reason, instead of going independent, or getting bought out, they just stop shooting until their contract ends. And the thing is that this doesn't seem to happen with women from any other agency. So yes, while it's possible that what you're saying is true, it still doesn't make sense in some of these situations, especially when we have situations with women who are very popular who more than likely would be able to be bought out but end up sitting out their contracts instead, and almost inexplicably retiring after said sitting out (Morgan Lee, possibly Siri). [Link] |
| zaxmate Senior Member 8384 Posts 5/15 | Posted - Aug 24 2017 : 10:15PM [Tweet is no longer available] @ariamichaelsss<brnew ECD is even worse the "agent" is a complete cunt every girl who works with her hates her @ariamichaelsss<brthey won't let me go, they are trying to take my money for shooting my own content for my own website. so even if I did shoot theyd take my Their their East Coast division ECD is managed by Bella Roxx who used to run an unlicensed agency AdultStarMakers in Florida for years, recently was hired by LA Direct to recruit new girls in Florida. Alexis Jane [Tweet is no longer available] @alexxisjanee<brI signed with her because she was the only female agent in Florida and I thought she of all people would treat her girls right. @alexxisjanee<brShe said each contract is negotiable but she'll never give you a time frame. She's locked girls into 7 years and refuses to let you buy out Harley Ann Wolf @HarleyannWolf<brIts true & its the reason im no longer doing film, i refuse to work for a company with two glorified pimps as representation but im trapped @HarleyannWolf<brShes not even her own agency lol shes just another representative of LAdirect, they're the ones the contracts with Alice Merchesi @WetAsTheRivers<brYes it's not a thing they're just lying and bullying her she can self book the most that they can do is shit talk her to companies Avery Adair, Kinsley Eden, Gabby Martinez, Lucie Cline also confirmed having experienced similar treatment from LA Direct. The fact that most people probably don't know who those models are while their top models who are Derek's favorites and get a special treatment advertise it as the "best agency" explains why it's so popular. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 25 2017 : 6:31AM If I'm not mistaken in mainstream cinema it's illegal to sign anybody for multiple years , it's so since Hal Roach literally starved Laurel and Hardy through one of those contracts [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Aug 25 2017 : 10:57AM [Link] |
| Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03 | Posted - Aug 25 2017 : 7:12PM [Link] |
| blkknight1 Member 707 Posts 10/09 | Posted - Aug 25 2017 : 8:03PM Adult Biz Law Sample Porn Contract Some of the more interesting snippets from the sites blog. If your agent hands you a contract that does not look the above contract, has additional pages or is not approved by the state of California Labor Commissioner that is not a valid talent-agent contract and you should not sign it. As a part of being licensed and bonded, every agent is required to have any changes or additions to the standard contract approved by the Labor Commissioner before providing it to talent to sign. Without such approval those pages or parts are not enforceable. "If a performer feels as though an agent has violated the talent agency agreement they do have legal recourse. However, it is limited. A performer cannot file a lawsuit against an agent. The only legal claim that a performer can make against an agent is to file a Petition to Determine Controversy with the California Department Labor Standards and Enforcement. A performer can file the Petition themselves, however it is better to retain a lawyer to handle any claim against a talent agent. However, be aware the process of filing the Petition to the final decision of the DLSE may be in excess of one year. The state of California's courts and other departments are underfunded due to budget cut backs and cases now are taking much longer then usual to be resolved. It is often better for the performer to negotiate a resolution of any issue with their agent if possible." If all the stuff written on this site is true it looks like the agents are in a position of power so taking to twitter or just sitting out seems to be some of these girls best option as it seems it would take a year probably more just to get a decision rendered in their case and this blog was written almost 5 years ago and I the California judicial system is any less backed up now as it was then and I would think a dispute between porn actress and agent would not be high priority. [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 25 2017 : 8:33PM [Link] |
| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | Posted - Aug 26 2017 : 12:48AM Two reasons: First, there's enough agents that either own production companies or are friends with content producers that getting a performer a job every 4 months (it doesn't say the performer has to take the job, just that they need to be offered it) wouldn't be at all difficult. It also doesn't say what type of job it needs to be except that it needs to be bona-fide. So basically, your agent could offer you a solo scene once every 4 months by some mid-level producer and that would count. You could get offered a content trade for the website of another girl signed to the agency and that would count. I mean, there's nothing there that says cam shows don't count, so it could even be just an offer to do a cam show. Second, probably because you missed the other part of the conversation where LA Direct is big enough that allegedly if you piss them off enough, they attempt to prevent other studios from shooting you (probably by threatening to withhold their other talent from the content producers that do shoot you), so there's a risk that is what happens if you try to get out of the contract through challenging it legally. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 8/26/2017 12:50:49 AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 26 2017 : 9:18AM [Link] |
| Rosco Fuji Deactivated User On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09 | Posted - Aug 26 2017 : 9:51AM Okay, but are they getting the girls a job every 4 months. While I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day, given that there are more girls than jobs, are you as a content producer going to let an agent dictate terms to you? Do you really think that any top producer is going to cowtow to any agent? Hypothetical example. If Lansky shots 25 scenes a month, or 300 a year, do you think he's beholden to any one agent, or is he getting calls to cast girls? [Link] |
| ISS Member 188cm85kg20cm 977 Posts 7/17 | Posted - Aug 26 2017 : 4:52PM 1. Lansky is, likely, the top director in the game right now, and his scenes apparently pay really well. As such, he gets his pick of the litter in terms of talent he can choose to shoot with. 2. Lansky's low volume of scenes per month (18 in total throughout his 3 sites) means that there is an opportunity cost per each scene he shoots. What this means to say is that every time he shoots a scene, another girl doesn't get that scene. So, barring several edge cases, he will primarily pick girls with established fan bases or large followings as they will reap greater rewards than a relatively unknown girl. 3. Lansky's small troth of contracted exclusive performers (like Jason Brown or Kendra Sunderland) also means that he has a base talent pool to draw from that, at the end of the day, reduces the likelihood of a new star getting a shot with him. 4. In addition, what shot they do get with him may at best amount to a several scene deal to shoot with his three sites, but not more. What this means is that for most girls, the best case scenario would be to shoot three scenes across his three sites and then he may not hire them again. Though those three scenes may yield quite a bit of money, they are by no means sustainable. Not many other porn studios or directors have the same luxuries and Greg does, so those caveats do not apply to them. They will generally shoot many girls with many male talents from many different talent agencies. What that leads to is that if one large talent agency blacklists a girl, especially a new one with little fan support, then those girls are pretty much dead in the water since not enough content producers will try to circumvent that blacklist. Because if that agency stops their flow of talent to another studio, then that studio will have much more to lose than simply not shooting with one or a handful of blacklisted girls. Thus the logical thing to do for that studio or a director is to simply comply with that blacklist as there will probably be another beautiful new girl to come along, unaware of the treatment that their agent may bestow on them. [Link] |
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