The star interviews these crusty toothless meth-addict prostitutes, forcing them to recount either their drug addictions, violent pimps, prison time, or molester stepfathers. Then he pays them for sex, which is invariably done under pooly-lit and filthy conditions.

It is completely depressing and sick stuff.

See for Yourself!

Thankfully, no sex in this one

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I know you are highly opinionated, man, and very likely to spout random things such as "GGG sucks" repeatedly like they're the Gospel truth, but come on, dude.

Now you're telling me I should go to Hell because of what specific type of porn I watch? Get a grip, please.

I like "degrading" (more accurately: domination/submission) pornography. I am not afraid to admit it even though many ADT'ers now think I am the scum of the Earth. This fact is more than apparent from my reviews and from what I post. Melissa's my favorite porn performer and it's not because she's so cute and cuddly.

So, I will take hurtful remarks like the one you made above personally.

How can a pornography fan get so self-righteous? Juha obviously likes porn, only the kind of porn that turns him on. Porn that he or others do not understand or enjoy is obviously for other sick perverts (who should go to Hell).

I thought porn fans would be at least a little open-minded. For instance, I don't enjoy scat films at all, but I would never say that scat movies should be banned or that all scat fans should burn in Hell.

I'm tired of guys throwing down their self-righteous attitudes in chat, like their porn is somehow "better" than mine or my 'kinks' make me a weird sicko. And I've told them that there. If you're a chat regular you've heard it, I'm sure. And now I'm in the process of repeating it on the board too, because it has become an issue.

Please don't get on your high horse and say the shit you whack off to makes you a better person somehow than the shit I whack off to.

Whether dom/sub porn is "hate porn" or not is immaterial. The kind of porn I like is legal, popular, and nobody is forcing anybody to make it or appear in it.

EDIT: I am not referring specifically to the "crackwhoreconfessions" website, even though this is the topic of the thread. I have never visited this site nor will I ever. I took Cyberchicken's and Juha's remarks to include many other kinds of dom/sub porn that CC labels "hate porn," due to both of their remarks in the past. I doubt that they had -only- this one website in mind.

So do not assume that I am only defending the actions of this particular website (I indirectly am though), but rather an entire "genre" of porn based on female degradation that has lately come under attack at ADT and elsewhere. Thank you.

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As for the site I have seen it before and would never subscribe to it - just not my bag. But I will say there are other things that give a bad name to porn before that site does... Lets say stuff like bestiality and child porn. Presumable what they are doing is at least legal (crackwhoreconfessions.com).

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This thread isn't about GGG, Extreme Associates etc.

Watch your porn, I don't mind.
But please don't blame me for disliking some kinda porn and saying it.

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For what little my opinion on this topic may matter , this kind of porn is not legal in Britain . Doesn't mean it's right or wrong , just that some things which are illegal possibly shouldn't be , and some which are legal maybe shouldn't be either .

Here's where I draw the line , and why ... (excited yet ?) It's difficult to tell who wants to do what on screen , and nearly impossible to see if the performers who aren't enjoying themselves have been forced into that position . So if you start from that perspective anything which looks violent or abusive , and is clearly not being acted , becomes highly suspect . At that point realisation dawns that this is material to aid the release of bodily fluids , and there's no need for it to operate in such a grey area . That doesn't mean that the stuff is wrong , just that it's impossible for me to tell whether or not it is . And if you think directors , pimps , and boyfriends don't force girls to do things they really don't want to you're probably living in a far brighter world than I am .

Acting I have no problem with . Bondage . Role play . All that jazz . But actual bodily harm is a no no . Choking . Foot on head . Hard face slapping . These aren't stunt men and women , and the punches aren't faked the way they are in Hollywood movies . This violence is for real . Are you sure it's really all worth it ?

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And I don't see an ADT trend towards putting down rough sex videos. Far from it.

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Maybe there isn't a trend, but rough sex isn't well like by many of the community here and that's OK. Hell one of my good friends, Den (from cavr.com) really dislikes rough sex but that doesn't mean we don't like one another.

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That's the point RLD was making.

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I'm definitely thinking of chat as well as the forums, but it seems to be an acceptable prejudice among some members here. Constant bad-mouthing of certain porn companies by certain individuals.

Threats of bodily harm (made in jest or not) against certain porn producers. A current of hate towards particular individuals and a certain "style" of porn.

Many recent threads (whether troll-based or not) about the demerits of "degrading" porn.

Different strokes for different folks... I know I overreacted to this issue, though, sorry guys.

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Juha and CC, the essence of what I mean is that saying people should burn in Hell for making or enjoying legal porn isn't the greatest way to get your opinion across. How about being more tactful?

This is not just about crackwhoreconfessions.com as I pointed out in my original edit. This is not the first time CC has used the label "hate porn."

Click on beautiful Taylor Rain for great porn reviews... I don't just write about hate porn!

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What I wank to doesn't make me a better person. It makes me curse a God who would make me this way in the first place and then tell me I should feel poorly about it.

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If all you rubberneckers didn't try to get a glimpse of blood on the highway every time there's a fender bender, I might get to work on time.

(My meaning may become apparent after time, or the fourth beer, or never.)

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I actuallly do enjoy a bit of rougher and more intense sex scenes from time to time, but the concept behind this site has nothing to do with that. The sex is actually pretty lame, lamer than ed powers stuff.

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Now the thing I find interesting is people condemn those bum fights and stuff, but if people wouldn't buy it, they wouldn't make it. Again, nature comes in, supply and demand. But I wouldn't condemn those who watch or make bum fights to hell because of what they do... Then again I don't believe in hell so even if I did say they were going to hell I wouldn't mean it

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Don't get me wrong here: I enjoy dominance: I think I like it more than your average man. Khan isn't doing dominance; he's doing degradation, which is another thing entirely. His aim is to make the women he works with feel bad. His ultimate goal is to make women break, cry, and show their weakest moments on film. You can clearly see this in his "interviews" in the Oral Consumption series. You can easily see this on the "Meatholes" web site (what kind of twisted name is that anyway?). You can clearly see this on the web site that is the subject of this thread.

Power play, dominance, and submission are all part of a dynamic that both partners sign on for. Many women (and men) like to be controlled and abused in a *controlled* fashion. Many others enjoy doing the controlling. This is fairly healthy and easy to understand. Again, this is NOT what Khan is doing. He is out to break unwitting women by degrading them and asking them to relive the worst moments in their lives. There is absolutely no comparison and esentially no justification for the product that he puts out.

In case my message isn't 100% crystal clear:

1. B&D and S&M are safe ways to express the power games we play in life and in sex. Consenting adults do these things and love it.
2. Khan Tusion isn't involved in this. He's involved in exploiting unwilling and desperate people in a very ugly way. I wish he'd go away forever.

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Edited by - PL on 7/8/2005 10:07:09 PM

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Just like I think that Rob Black and Lizzie Borden make degrading and gross looking porn that I don't want to watch. They have something else in common as well: Both camps are doing porn that stretches the limits of what we've seen before. With Khan, it's degredation. With Rob it's extreme body fluids, religious symbolism and defilement, and of course physical pain.

I feel that doing these things risks the future of porn because it may attract unwanted attention from those seeking to stop what they consider to be BAD pornography. As everyone here should know, censorship of any kind rarely if ever stops at the original censoring: It's almost always a way for the ones doing the censoring to censor more and more. Look at the history of any form of limitation and you'll see that it always spreads, but it free speech, books, guns, or anything else.

In the case of pornography I think the industry is very delicately balanced. The legal precidents which allow the industry to function are not new. When they were established, nothing like "gonzo" existed. Movies that are "all anal" or "all swallowing" weren't even conceptualized at that time. The precidents were all set with the idea of there being redeeming artistic value in pornography which the law gave some value to. They were established when porno movies were actually "movies" in the sense that they were shot on film and made an attempt to have stories and acting. I'm not saying it was any good, I'm just saying it's unlike what we see from 95%+ of pornography today.

I feel like it won't take much for an over zealous prosecutor with an agenda to completely dismantle the legal basis that allows the current industry to exist, simply by examining the history of the precidents and arguing that they do not apply to today's more "extreme" pornography.

If it's not obvious, I'm not a lawyer, nor have I really studied this issue in depth. I've seen some documentaries and read a little bit. I may be way off base. <shrug>

Dr. P

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XOXOX,

Taryn Thomas

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For me, watching porn is often about putting myself in the (imaginary) position of the participants. It doesn't mean I would do it in the real world, just that I might think about what it might be like (in other words a totally imaginary, hypothetical situation). Since screwing junkies and bag-ladies doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, I can't describe crackwhoreconfessions as a porn site, but as an abuse site.

The "guy" who set up the site is sick and should have the crap beaten out of him for taking advantage of these poor unfortunates, but banning the site would be a step along the road to "them" deciding what "we" can think, and in my view, a step too far.

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What a guy.

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Here is the disclaimer from the site

"
A stunt cock named "Cracker Jack" finds and fucks these crack whores. Dirty D is ONLY promoting this site and does not produce this content. Dirty D does not promote prostitution or drug use in any way.
These videos are meant to show you the dangers of drug use and living on the street.
No Crack Whores were harmed in the production of this material
just say no to drugs
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There are so many of these shitty porn sites out there, I'm glad that we have companies that make quality porn and release them on DVD. After seeing this site and clicking on other shitty links on it, I wanna say thank you to all the people who produce quality porn with quality girls. Such a division in this genre.

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