Max Hardcore seems to be back on the scene - he has updated his site with a couple of new scenes. Strange thing is he is now fucking the girls with a strap-on ... kind of curious as to why this is so does anybody have any more info??
I can't remember where I read it, but he did say something about the strap on that came off very nebulous and conspiratorial, like "when people start going to jail, you won't think I'm so crazy..."
The strap-on isn't where Max looses me because he appears to be using it with a level of talent. To be honest he lost me years ago when he stopped making porn and started making misogynist adult videos. As far as I can tell he is still making misogynist adult content but now using a strap-on instead of his own dick. I can appreciate being afraid of going back to jail but if that's the case then he should stop filming misogynist content instead of using a strap-on on the women.
He made some lame excuse about it being a way to get around the mandatory condom laws. Like it's preferable to see a guy fucking a girl with a strap on rather than wear a condom. Pretty much no one is shooting with condoms anyway so not sure what he's on about. Anyway it's not something I have any interest in watching.
.....or maybe he can no longer keep an erection and uses it the strap-on instead. I've not seen it, have no intention of searching for it, and can't imagine anything less arousing than the sight of Max Hardcore with a strap-on. He's probably short of cash by now, though, so I don't suppose he's going to give up any time soon. I guess he'll struggle to find many willing partners!
With Max for me, it was always looking for the particular girl I was into at the time doing and being pushed to her limits. Max did that. I didn't like all his scenes because the girls weren't my type. But there are about 10 or 20 girls through his whole output that I really thought made super hot scenes pushing their limits. Say what you will but if Porn is art, then pushing people is part of that form. The Rebecca Linares scene is one that comes to mind. Courtney Simpson doing Anal was another.
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Posted - Dec 12 2017 : 3:07AM
Rebecca Linares limits were not 'pushed' in her scene, they were ignored. She spoke out about that scene and says tha Max ignored her limits in the scene. That is abuse. And as we saw from her subsquent scenes and career Rebecca has few reasons to make that claim up.
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Posted - Dec 12 2017 : 3:33PM
I feel bad for the guy. He spent time in prison which ain't much fun. His problem is treating ladies with contempt and disrespect. Sex between a man and a lady is called lovemaking for a reason. Max has done some excellent hardcore and with ladies who don't normally do anal. Had he stuck with this formula IMAO, he'd be in the Hall of Fame and deservedly so. Instead he tap danced around the edges of pedophilia, not using underage ladies of course but dressing them in girl clothing wearing pigtails which gave the appearance of underage. Then he started to deep-throat ladies with sputum flying everywhere, phlegm gagging, coughing and choking which isn't sexy to me. Then, he started pissing on the gals which is degrading, demeaning, undignified, and wretched. As I wrote earlier. Max has done some excellent porn but he went too far IMAO. Very sad.
It does not have anything to do with Max Hardcore, but I wonder why someone thinks that pissing is more degrading than cumming on the face, something that happens in basically every vanilla porn.
^ What an interesting question. I have honestly never contemplated that before and now I'm confused. I wonder why one is mainstream and the other remains a kinky niche? I was first thinking that an aversion to urine probably comes naturally to us as kids and adolescents so that might explain why so many see watersports as degrading. But my theory falls apart because that requires me to assume that hoards of prepubescent and pubescent girls are impatiently waiting for their first facial. I'm going to have to assume that isn't the case. Back to the drawing board... (And no, I wasn't going to make a Roy Moore comment. Maybe high school girls are actually waiting for their first facial. From a D.A.)
Bryan Gozzling is clearly heavily influenced by Max but he doesn't have girls pretending to be 11 years old (obviously we knew they weren't really but Max had girls telling the viewer that they were underage). Bryan doesn't generally verbally abuse the girls, slap them around, bring them to tears etc. Generally speaking the girls look like they're enjoying themselves in a HUHS scene whereas they often looked traumatised in a Max Hardcore scene. This wasn't always true of Max clearly as many girls worked with him multiple times and were into the pissing, puking, ageplay etc. There were some though that said he abused them though and I'm yet to hear any complaints made against Bryan. He clearly respects the girls and their boundaries. All that being said, I would be lying if I said I didn't get off to some of Max's stuff and wish it was still available in uncut form.
^Clearly you must not have seen any Gozzling content because the only thing that distinguishes his stuff to max is that Max was significantly older than the young women he hired but that's about it. His performers are all dressed like young teenage girls, the scenarios are teen related, there is chocking, vomiting, piss drinking and a few other Max trademark moves. Bryan is basically Max 2.0 but less misogynist. I can't say if the women who worked with Max or Bryan enjoyed themselves but I suspect that no matter what they say. The size of the paycheck is why they worked for them and not because what they were going to be subjected to. That said I wonder if Bryan will one day turn completely into a Max of later years. Let's not forget that Max was an avant-garde anal director in his beginning who didn't treat women like fuck toys.
As much as there are things in common in my view there is a enormous difference between HUHS and Max' movies. Saying they are the same because of the similar acts that happen is the same as saying that Tushy.com and LP for example are the same thing because they both feature anal extensively. The most telling aspect of Max' movies was how miserable and out of whack the models looked throughout the scene. This is to a big extent why a lot of the people were turned on by them. A model can be slapped, face fucked hard, vomit and drink piss and still be in total control, there are tons of scenes like that. There are a lot of women that enjoy that type of sex in their personal lives too, so the fact that a model does it does not mean abuse in any shape or form.
^You realise that you have lost your argument the moment you try to compare Tushy's content with LP's content. The only thing they have in common is that their videos are brighter than most other companies and their content involves anal sex. Everything else is completely different between these two studios. 1-Please give me examples of those enormous differences between Max and Gozzling porn. I honestly don't see them. 2-Have you ever vomited or choked on a piece of food? If you have then did you enjoy the sensation? If not then I can assure you that the women who are forced to chock on Max or Bryan's dick don't enjoy it and they certainly don't enjoy vomiting because no one enjoys vomiting. 3-To be honest I may be fooling myself but I don't believe the performers who claim that they love to be slapped around in their private life because I don't know anyone who likes to be slapped around. That's not to say that some people don't enjoy a BSDM lifestyle but that's not the same thing.
Funny thing is a lot of people claim they don't like this guys content, but there are other producers like Bang and Hookup Hotshot that use elements of his style. I guess all he really needed was to smooth around the edges. Edited by - moebius22 on 12/13/2017 10:34:38 AM Edited by - moebius22 on 12/13/2017 10:35:46 AM
Still don't see the differences between Max Hardcore and Bryan Gozzling - except that Bryan's younger, for now. And Max was young when he started off too! Both of them use girls dressed in a particular way, making them look very young, to appeal to a particular, very dubious, market. Both of them make use of piss, vomit, throat clutching and gagging to humiliate the girls. Very few of the girls used by either of them look very happy about what's going on - far from it in fact. Both claim that the girls are happy to be treated that way, but I suppose if you pay enough money........ Both have some of the girls saying 'daddy' when they're being fucked. There's a considerable degree of faked (I hope) violence with both. Don't get me wrong, this is a popular genre which appeals to a lot of people. I'm not making judgements here - just commenting that there are considerable similarities, and I suspect that Bryan has filled the gap that Max left behind him when he ended up in prison. Not for me - I like my porn scenes to be a lot more consensual, and I like the girls to be clearly enjoying what they're doing. The old Scandinavian stuff from back in the 70s had a fair bit of pissing, and it also had vomiting, but everyone looked to be having a great time - including the girls.
^ John Stagliano is on record in Buttman Magazine saying that Max Hardcore (at least at one time or another) was his favorite producer. He said he was asked, and gave the politically correct answer, but then regretted not having said that it was really Max Hardcore.
There are numerous differences. Firstly, whilst Bryan may dress the girls in a similar style, they don't actually state that they are 12 year olds and then discuss bringing over their 9 year old sister for him to fuck. Bryan does not verbally abuse the girls calling them stuff like "stupid cunt" or "fat pig" etc. Girls don't finish the scene traumatised and in tears. Bryan doesn't wear it as a badge of honour if a girl leaves the industry after having been in a scene with him. Bryan has pissing in some scenes but not anywhere near as often as Max or as much in the scene itself. He also doesn't force his dick down the girls throat while he's pissing. Bryan has some puking in his scenes but nowhere near as often as Max and nowhere near as much in the scenes when he does do it. The girls are only usually puking up water, not full on vomit like in Max scenes. Not saying there are no similarities, there are, and you probably don't have a Bryan Gozzling if Max hadn't paved the way for these more extreme guys. You always get the feeling though that Bryan is respecting boundaries. The level of rough sex does significantly vary depending on the girl. With Max, it seemed to be the same stuff no matter the girl and some girls looked significantly distressed and uncomfortable. Some of that was possibly acting but some girls spoke out that it wasn't and he did not respect their boundaries. I did like some of the stuff Max did and do like the pissing puking stuff and with girls who were ok with it like Catalina, Layla, Summer etc I found it hot. I did not like the verbal abuse and lack of respect for the female performers though.
So in other words the differences are minimal. Chicks still get slapped, choked, pissed on, and dressed like caricatures of Lotlta girls - just in a way that's more acceptable to some viewers. I'm not judging, but it's humorous to watch people do mental gymnastics to try and separate Max Hardcore's style from people who essentially ripped it, but made a few cosmetic adjustments so people who like it can say to themselves I don't like Max Hardcore style porn. Edited by - moebius22 on 12/13/2017 11:02:01 PM
Yes, that used to happen a lot in the scenes. It was all pretend of course as the girls in the scenes were all 18 or over as far as I know. They'd pretend to be younger though and then Max would ask if she had a sister and how old was she? Maybe you could bring her over to play etc. This was all part of his schtick. To be clear though everyone in his scenes was 18 or over, just pretending to be underage. I'm sure I read that it was this that allowed the FBI to go after him in the first place rather than the puking/pissing stuff.
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Posted - Dec 14 2017 : 1:06PM
Fucksake...just vist the man's site...what a joke he has become...fucking with a strapon...and in his newest vids slapping the girls in the face like there is no tomorrow...in his prime he was my god...now he's a sad old man....damm...
I used to love Max Hardcore. Not going to lie, there was a time when I was really into his degrading stuff. He did take it too far though. I still think the obscenity conviction is bullshit. I think it would have been a lot more effective if they would have went after Max for pushing the boundaries of consent and not treating the talent fairly. To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing that happen across the industry. No censorship, let's just make sure the talent is treated fairly and laws/rules are enforced with the boundaries of consent are pushed. That alone would eliminate a lot of bullshit we see in the industry today. The content would clean itself up as a result and the business would be more ethical as a hole. Just my opinion.
I suspect most, if not all, of that is just made up by his detractors. His reputation wasn't good, but probably a lot of stuff was exaggerated and made up - probably including claims like this one.
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Luke Lake Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 14 2017 : 2:45PM
Yes and more than once. There was one Kelly Wells scene with him where she talking about her 10 year old sister and he jerked to it. Max Extreme 4- Regan Starr Max Extreme Schoolgirls 6- Mya Mason
I remember things similar to that in MeatHoles and Chico Wang scenes. Tiffany Holiday in one of Chico's scenes is talking about how, "I haven't been fucked like this since I was 12 years old" and talks a little bit about being molested as a kid if I remember correctly. Everybody on set seemed to love it. I found it disturbing...lol Edited by - Sir Loin Steakman on 12/14/2017 6:10:29 PM
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Luke Lake Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 14 2017 : 6:05PM
It is creepy but they weren't playing 12 year old's. The 2 girls in the max scenes were portraying 12.5 year old girls ("You can' tell anyone Max, cuz I'm only twelve and a half years old.")
I was just thinking. If Max Hardcore wanted to make a shit load of money when he first got out of prison, he should have done some stuff when he got dominated a degraded by the female talent. Not only would it show that he could take what he dished out, but even people who dispised him wouldn't be able to resit feasting their eyes on that trainwreck. I think that has potential to be some of the most hilarious porno we've ever seen in the history of the biz...lol
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Posted - Dec 15 2017 : 4:46PM
He was a Trail Blazer, that's for sure. Loved his earlier stuff. Stopped watching when the lipstick drawings and speculum use started. Did like the whole "Hey Mister" stuff though.
Have you ever even visited the member's area of my site? Or are you basing your judgements of pics, trailers and tube videos? The issue is profoundly simple: you are projecting your concerns about Max's content on to mine. I will never go to jail for my content. Ever. I've never even touched on the kind of things Max would do. My content is probably the most responsibly produced and conscientious porn made in the US and that's coming from other directors and producers I know. The processes and methods I utilize to achieve my productions is different from Max's from the ground up. No one has ever been abused, taken advantage of, manipulated, harmed, insulted, injured or otherwise put in any situation where there was not full consent discussed and given on camera before and after, and I can prove it to anyone. Max couldn't. I'm different. If you think I dress the girls a certain way in order to appeal to some dubious pedo audience that is just plain ignorant and obtuse. I dress the girls in clothes I get from Forever 21! I use current styles that are popular among women of all ages 18 and up. Whether or not you choose to see the clothes as creepy and wrong is a decision you'll have to make in your head. We all know that Max had some admirable qualities, and we all know he was a seriously flawed man and director. I would watch the stuff and be so turned on and so genuinely disturbed at the same time. I always believed that those two feelings were not mutually required, that it was possible to distill and separate those two feelings into something better. I know, for a fact, that many women enjoy Max's content and enjoy rough sex in their personal lives. I always wanted to make content like Max, but that could be enjoyed by women and men alike. I always believed that it was possible to remove the misogynistic components and leave just the good, enjoyable, fun stuff. That's what I do at HookupHotshot.com. If you understand it then you are part of a new generation of porn fans, if you don't then I hope you come around. And if you are a man in this forum who "doesn't believe" that women can enjoy rough sex than know this: you're understanding of women is at less than zero. Throw out everything you think you know about women and start at the beginning which is to RESPECT THEM AS HUMAN BEINGS. They are not your toy or object to save or ignore. They are people who think the same way as you. Fucking get that through your heads.
Edited by - BryanGozzling on 12/15/2017 5:49:20 PM
While Max did cross the line by most peoples standards, I will give him the benifit of the doubt on this. Thr world is a lot more sensitive now than it was then. You have to remember the time. Jerry Springer was the biggest thing on TV, Extream Pro-Wrestling was huge, Howard Stern was the biggest thing in media, shock TV wad huge, WWE was in the "Attitude Era", gangster rap had just gone mainstream. I mean, that's just where the country was at the time. There's no excuse for not respecting peoples boundries, if in fact that did occur, but I can understand the taking everything to the absolute extreme part. To be honest, I feel like I've seen worse shit that Max's stuff to. MeatHoles had some pretty questionable moments.
I have watched your content, Bangs, and Max Hardcore's content, and I stand by my original remark.
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Posted - Dec 15 2017 : 8:25PM
^Gozzling says a lot of right things there. You have your opinion, great. But to me, there is a HUGE difference between Max's approach to rough sex years ago, and to what Gozzling is doing. HUGE. The sex acts themselves may be similar but the approach, the well being of the performers, the participation level of the performers in creating the scene, etc, put it in different universes. And there are more women that you can imagine that are into this kind of sex, or potentially could be...but it requires an approach, and communication, and respect that Max never had. His "best work" for the most part was when the women were absolutely hating themselves and their lives for being there. (which in turn was what got off a lot of his fans. I like choking and pissing and puking but would never enjoy Max's work). I had a conversation with a girl I started dating about choking. And she loved it but never told anyone because when she let guys do it in her past, they did it in some horrible way that made her feel worthless. Yet, we had our first sexual evening last night, and because she bonded and was listened to, and had respect, she asked for an incredible level of choking. Its all about how you treat the women when not having sex, that makes a difference when you do have sex. Max can choke, and Gozzling can choke.... but their approaches to the talent are so different that it is not the same thing. Edited by - A_Fan on 12/15/2017 8:31:22 PM
^ It takes a gymnast to know a gymnast I suppose. Good luck to you sir in your endeavors.
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Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 12:23AM
thats the nature of porn interests though.. many people have "their interests" and condemn or criticize things that are not within their circle. His comments about Gozzling could be said by someone else about whatever porn he likes ... just the way it rolls with porn fans. for me, anal sex is normal and enjoyable practice to add to a sex life, for some others its abusive or sick or gross.. lol all about perspective If someone watches say, Bryan's new Holly Hendrix scene, and then goes and watches some Max scene from 10 years ago... there is an incredible difference in how the women are treated and viewed... however, some people just see the sex acts as the same genre (choking, pissing, throat fucking, etc) and call it all the same. And Max , if a girl was suffering or close to tapping out, he would do more of the same thing, or make it worse. With Gozzling, I don't see that at all. Max never respected boundaries and put out a product that in many times could be viewed as hateful. THe example I mentioned of the girl I met and we had our first sexual evening last night, she told me the idea of spitting in her mouth was a turn off, so I respect that and didn't do it. She feels honored and respected. A guy like Max would have spit harder and the girl feels horrible after its all done. There are differences even if people don't see them on the surface. You can dominate a woman with rough sex and present her as a sexually empowered goddess, or you can go the Max way and try to break her emotionally. Differences! This is an interesting discussion though, I am glad I took a look at the thread today. Edited by - A_Fan on 12/16/2017 12:26:21 AM
Just out of curiosity, who are the girls who have accused Max Hardcore of not respecting boundaries and/or assault? The only one I know of is that chick Neesa, and from the interviews I've seen of her, she doesn't seem all that credible. Edited by - Sir Loin Steakman on 12/16/2017 2:10:21 PM
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Posted - Dec 16 2017 : 2:03PM
There were a lot of girls back in the day that had less than complimentary things to say about Max. When his goal is to emotionally shatter them he achieves that a lot and so they leave his studio feeling horrible. I know that was the big appeal from his fanbase, but to deny it is silly.
I'm guessing that you're correct that mobeius22 hasn't been a HUHS member because the BTS scenes that get posted make it pretty clear that not only was there consent but that the model really enjoyed shooting the scene. And on the topic of the BTS scenes, I almost like those as much as the actual scenes... almost!
I think Roxy Jezel may have said she had a bad experience and Rebecca Linares maybe. I think Max also held his hands up to it when he came out of prison saying that he regretted how he treated some of the girls. Also these girls aren't Oscar winning actresses, I'm guessing that if they look clearly distressed and traumatised during the scene then that's probably what was happening on at least some occasions.
Let's be real for a moment. How many scenes nowadays do you see in porn where the girl says she doesn't like her experience in a scene after it's done? The girls all are excited to do the scene before and love the experience after verbatim in every porno I have watched that uses that technique. Pretty sure it's standard to have female performers sign legal documents before sex scenes whether it's shown on camera or not. Edited by - moebius22 on 12/16/2017 7:49:53 PM Edited by - moebius22 on 12/16/2017 7:51:14 PM Edited by - moebius22 on 12/16/2017 7:51:59 PM Edited by - moebius22 on 12/16/2017 8:51:52 PM
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