well because making a guy cum requires sexual stimulation and it feels good to cum. orgasm. in porn, the girls often ask the guy to cum on her face. pissing on someone doesn't require and sexual stimulation and can almost be done instantly. if the girl is asking to be pissed on then how is that degrading? of course if she doesn't want to be pissed on and her requests for no pee are ignored and she's forced to take a golden shower then sure that is degrading.
also did anyone see that video of the british reporter who went to his studio? he remarked something to the effect of that max hardcore studio smelled like a freshly cleaned and sterilized hosptial.
There was a documentary, British I think, that followed some girls through shoots, and one of them was with Max, and it showed him verbally abusing the girl because she refused to do some things. He was a major league asshole.
I believe the documentary is part of the series, The Dark Side of Porn. David Foster Wallace provided some insight on Max in his essay, "Big Red Son." Max comes across as pathetic and extremely unlikeable. Big surprise.
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Posted - Mar 31 2018 : 5:34AM
For me that quality of being unlikeable is why people attach the worse possible qualities to his content and how he treats his talent (the girls or women he used). I do not see Kink as being different and the number of years between what he did then and what they do now has only made things escalate. I have read where Alina Li decided to stop shooting porn based on one of those productions, Public Disgrace and that was without James Deen. I think another reason people dislike Max is because he came across as working class (even though they filmed at his upper middle class house) and shallow while Kink has a white collar, intellectual aesthetic even when they do "working class" routines. I think that matters, some people will never like Kink and some people will never like Max. I think if Max had the chummy pre-interview and post shoot interviews like Kink we might have seen more of the talent express themselves. That is just my pennies worth of analysis based on my viewinwwg a reading posths here on the subject since the days when Max was on trial. I did meet him one time at the 2005 AVN ....he is dick but maybe he was in character? That same day I chatted with Ed Powers who wasalmost around the corner and he couldn't have been nicer. Edited by - vanessadelriolover on 4/3/2018 7:26:02 AM Edited by - vanessadelriolover on 4/3/2018 7:41:34 AM
I don't think Max would've ever done any sort of real post interviews because it would've gone against the fetish/kink he was trying to sell and some of his fans were buying into. From what I mostly saw from Max's stuff was that he was portraying the girls as naïve girls easily tricked into perverted sex because that's what the wanted and it's how they deserved to be treated. And perhaps Max was an asshole in real life but he was playing a character...Dirty old man taking advantage of young girls. The role suit Max because otherwise Max wouldn't have had much of a porn career because he really wasn't much of a porn performer. I think if Max was younger and better looking his shtick wouldn't have worked as well. I think as far as the girls Max shot with, I'm guessing they were told before hand what to expect but in some cases he took advantage and went beyond what the girl was expecting or was comfortable with. That seems to be a recurring thing in porn and it really needs to stop. Obviously, some girls dealt with it better than others. I'm not much of a Max fan but I would watch some of his stuff based on if he had a girl I liked. I didn't like the humiliation stuff, the smearing lipstick shtick, the devices (whatever they're called) inserted into the vagina for shock value, the slapping, the vomit, or the girls portrayed to seem so young. Basically, the Max stuff I only didn't mind watching was when it was "older" women not playing really young girls and he didn't do much or any of the stuff I listed. Most of the max stuff I've seen is the edited versions.
^ He is (or was--he killed himself) a pompous ass. That was sort of his ethos. I couldn't stomach it for an entire book, personally, but I do find him quite funny and pretty brilliant in how he describes stuff. There are moments in that essay that I think are truly genius.
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Posted - Apr 3 2018 : 7:41AM
If you get the chance go to the kink.com site and look at a few of the previews. I like a little of both Kink and Max (except for the puking and medical instrument nonsense) and note that you see the same kind of reaction on the girl's faces with both. The uncomfortable to watch stuff For both kink and Max I don't like. It seems as though some of the Max girls maintained character while Kink girls play the victim role hard and then say how much fun they had in the post interview. Either way there is a ton of acting going on and with both sometimes people cross the line, Max of course and James Deen in particular. Kink has the benefit of time and knowing how to avoid what Max did to get popped. For example u can not legally buy their authentic DVDs in the U.S. That is smart, and the pre and post interviews indicate the talent likes what they are doing. They probably have excellent lawyers as well. I do not know of a court case against them. VDRLvr
^Trying to equal what Kink does with what Max did is just glossing over the major differences as a way to defend the kind of porn Max did the years before he went to jail. 1-Women do not vomit in Kink productions because they are never put in a situation where they will. If you have seen Max videos than you will know that this was a regular occurrence in way too many of his videos. While I'm willing to agree that some women are okay with a little bit of forced vomiting because they had an object/penis shoved down their troaths. I suspect the vast majority of them hate that aspect of the scene because no one enjoys vomiting. Let alone repeatedly because the producer thinks it's cool when the performers he hired is uncomfortable because stomach acid keeps coming out of her mouth and nose. 2- It's true that you will see a large amounts of medical instruments in both studios videos. The vast majority of the ones used in Kink videos tend to be for anal stretching because the performers are about to get some very large objects inserted in their rectums. The same can't be said for Max videos because he mostly used those when he was going to do pissing or creampie videos where the performer was expected to drink said piss or cum or simply to look up the girls cavities. 3-Now it's true that both Kink and Max have had performers play teenagers. The pre-interview in Kink production goes out of it's way to demonstrate that the performers are at least 18 years old and that even the case when the performer is clearly way older than 18 because they want to make sure that what the viewer is about to see is between people of legal age. I don't think that is what Max was doing in most of his videos. That doesn't mean that all of his performers weren't of legal age but he certainly made sure that they would look like teenagers of dubious ages.
I've seen lots of KINK stuff. I have a limited subscription to it through a site I'm subscribed to (only some of their older scenes, not the entire catalog). Just like with the Max stuff...I'm not a big fan of most of it. Some of the more straight forward stuff I can get behind but all the tying up, machines, and odd stuff that I consider just strange stuff to do to women does nothing for me. But I think a couple of big differences between KINK and Max is that much more established stars do KINK while Max mostly got newer and c-list girls. Basically Max got girls who were more naïve and girls who might be more willing to take a chance with him because they needed work. Generally girls more easy to take advantage of. KINK also has/had a woman producing many of the scenes and is the one doing the pre interview. I think the level of trust at KINK was higher than with Max. I think a girl who does a scene with KINK does it for a different reason than doing one for Max. I don't know...I'm sure both Max and KINK have crossed the line but I feel more confident the people at KINK would stop if they were told they were and with Max maybe not. But more and more I'm getting the impression many girls simply go along with their lines being crossed in fear of making the scene bad or being branded as had to work with and losing gigs.
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Posted - Apr 8 2018 : 7:24AM
. Thoughtful response. I am not into the vomiting and instrument stuff for either Kink or Max, but I think we all assume that the Max girls were taken advantage of while Kink and others are not doing the same thing at times. More than defending Max, I am just suggesting that we tend to interpret the same or sorta same things differently based on our feelings about the individual. Another example would be the throat gagging enterprise, definitely snot and vomit producing and quite popular for awhile. Basically copying Max. When Max did the work in question, late nineties to early 00s, most of his playbook had been done for years in Germany etc. So to what you say here....definitely yes....but I don't know. VDRLvr
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Posted - Apr 8 2018 : 7:43AM
Good response. I go with you on the trust issue but I don't know if we can say a woman producing these things can't cross the line and produce the same kind of violation or abuse many women experienced ith Max. PD was in the shoot with Alina Li who claimed to have been treated outside of the boundaries agreed to beforehand. Google it and you will see. About the experience level of the talent....I think part of the Max Schtick was to have us believe that the girls were newbies. When you consider the experience of a lot of the women he used I am not sure he was taking advantage of naïveté any more than others accused of the same thing in this business. Lyla Lei, Brooke Ashley, Jade Marcella were veterans by the time they did a Max feature.
I would have to assume lines are crossed fairly regularly when shooting porn. It's unfortunate but I get it. The director or co-star might want to push things just to try and get the most out of the girl for the sake of the scene or get caught up in the moment or whatever. The important thing is what happens after the line has been crossed. If a line has been crossed and the girl speaks out then things should stop immediately. If things continue after the girl has made it clear things have done too far, then that's flat out wrong. And an apology after the shot doesn't undo what was done. It might make the victim feel a bit better and the abuser feel less guilty but it doesn't undo the abuse that was done. The fact that KINK's reputation and reporting of abuse is far better than Max's says a lot. KINK is held in high regard while Max was mostly seen as the scummy lower part of the porn biz isn't a coincidence. Yes, Max and KINK sometimes do the same types of porn but how you treat talent can make a world of difference.I get that the newbie girl was part of Max's shtick but I still believe he found those girls easier to take advantage of. I also believe that if he got more established big name girls to shoot with him he would've gladly shot them because they would increase sales. Sure, he had a few A and B listers who shot with him but the fact that some of them as well as so many girls only shot with him once would indicate they didn't have a good experience. We've seen a few girls who he shot with multiple times so that shows he wasn't against shooting a girl more than once. And of course there were girls who apparently didn't have a problem working with Max. So I personally believe Max just created a niche for himself because he wouldn't have been able to last as a straight forward performer. What Max lacked in looks, size, and performance skills he made up for in creating this creepy, abusive, jerk, preditor character. That character is what probably turned some porn watchers and female talent away more than the actual sex acts. Because as pointed out, others have done some of the same things (and worse) but don't get the same type of hate.
No, the important thing is not to cross lines. Adult movies are a professional job. Everything should be laid out in advance. Would it be okay for a man to have anal sex with you at work then deal with it after the line was crossed?
Yes, I agree that lines shouldn't be crossed but it's understandable in some cases if it happens. If a girl says don't do a specific thing like no slapping, don't pull her hair, no fingers in her butt, etc., etc...then clearly that thing shouldn't be done. On the other hand if a girl says it's okay to slap her...but not too hard, grab her breasts but don't squeeze too hard, cum on my face but not in my eye, pound me hard...but not too hard, etc., etc...Those are the types of things I consider crossing the line or going too far. I see a girl specifically saying no anal, no hitting, or trying to make her vomit as flat out abusing her, not "crossing the line" per se. I tend to think in the case of Max, Kink, or whoever...in most cases they tell a girl what they plan to and the girl agrees to it but sets boundries within those acts. Sometimes, in the heat of the moment a performer might push too far. I get that. If the girl speaks out and says stop or too much she should be respected and things should stop. Total speculation on my part but I think Max has had times when he heard those boundries and had no intention of honoring them. His thinking was probably "It wouldn't make for a good scene if I listen to her" or "Aw, it won't be that bad, she'll get through it...". Totally messed up and scumbag thing to do if he did that in either case. So I stand behind what I said about the important thing is how it's handled if the line has been crossed. Better to not cross the line at all but I have to acknowledge even with good intentions it could happen in some cases.
Newsflash..... Max Hardcore DVD prices are going through the roof ! Ebay, Amazone etc... For a EU version new or second hand, I've seen no prices lower then 100 Euro ! I've even seen prices for 1 DVD of more then 1000 Euro !
^Wow!. That's interesting. Who'd have thought physical DVD's would become collectibles? Especially in a time when piracy/filesharing/torrents is seemingly the norm.
I remember when Max sort of came back after prison, and made the rounds at the Vegas show. Most industry people I was hanging out with kind of looked askance at him, like the drunk uncle who embarrasses everyone at the wedding reception. In terms of content, though, he's been super-influential ... you see a lot of the same stuff he was doing to girls in porn now, but done by much younger, much better-looking guys ... and no one complains or calls it creepy. Vomit porn doesn't do it for me, and neither does the pedophile schtick, but within the niche-happy realm of Tube Era smut, it's here to stay and, like it or not, Max was its prophet in the wilderness.
Rocco Sifredi is also on record claiming Max to be his favorite...
I could give a fuck about Max as he was a character an outlandish shocking fun one but formulaic see one vid every 3 4 years (to catch up on his moves and innovations which he did have plenty of but not that many) you may as well have seen them all. No. who I am a HUGE FAN of is, Paul Little a most unlikely underdog success rise & fall EPIC...Study his background its hard not to be impressed with his impossible accomplishments. Also he is the closest thing the porn biz has to a True American Patriot!
I want to dig Bryan as we are from similar backgrounds & subcultures with similar interests (outside porn) but I can not and will not watch ANY thing he is in...I feel he should give SOME KIND of PROPS to MAX. As I understand it he completely disavows Max claiming ZERO influence actually claiming to be more influenced and similar to 'Porn Fidelity' of all companies (if I remember the company correctly) Now if his attorneys are advising him to behave in this fashion I can understand but I wish to learn of someway Bryan has acknowledged Max...Perhaps behind the scenes.
Shit I Fantasize about the two doing a comedy film a scene or even a skit where they are Father and Son now would that NOT BE THE SHIT???
BTW I have seen Strapons or at least prosthetics on FA scenes!
Max popped up on a busted porn producer thread at fetlife and I mentioned having just learned of the dreaded 'strapon'...This was rather chilling in response...Could it be so? Do excuse me if the subject of CC has been mentioned but I simply can't peruse this sad thread...dig?
"I thought that the reason for the strapon was he got chemically castrated as part of his prison deal. Maybe it is just to protect him from the law though we may never really know."
Bryan has not denied the influence of Max Hardcore, he has admitted that he watched his stuff. He is just at pains to point out that, while some of the sex acts are similar and the aesthetic is not dissimilar, he is different to Max. He does not play the part of a pedo in his scenes, the girls are not stating that they are pre-teen girls. He is also respectful of boundaries and does not abuse and traumatise these women. There will be scenes with vomit/piss in but, where the girl doesn't want that, there are many scenes without any of that. The girl always appears to be enjoying herself in the scene unlike in many Max scenes where (acting or not) the girls look in distress.
Max has held up his hands and admitted he treated some girls terribly on set and pushed them beyond what they were comfortable with. He used to be proud to say that girls did a scene with him and then left porn after as it was such a bad experience. Bryan is always at pains to point out how accommodating he is and how he wants the girls to have a good time.
On the surface of it, I can see the comparison but I think it's a very different experience for the girls involved. Not seen too many, if any, complaints from porn girls about Bryan whereas many spoke up about Max.
Thank you so much for the wonderfully concise and educational response...I feel I now have a more clear understanding it would appear that Bryan is creating porn from a unique girl power perspective because ladies can certainly out dirty the boys especially with an accommodating attractive lead and a comfortable set that may be a little much. Do you happen to have a scene you suggest I check to open my mind further to Mr. BG?
Girl power is going a little too far, the girl definitely plays a submissive role in his scenes. A good example would be a scene he did with Aidra Fox. He went in hard on Aidra and I think there was some puking (not Max levels of puke but some). Even though Aidra is the submissive and is getting fucked super hard, she looks absolutely ecstatic in the scene like it's the best experience of her life. That to me is the difference, the scenes are not disturbing, dark, grim scenes. They are girls pushing themselves further than you'd see elsewhere but they are prepared to do it as they feel safe and respected and ultimately the scene looks a happy experience.
I am DYEN to see this unbelievable StrapOn but nothing turns up for 'Max Hardcore Strapon" on google or bing image searches and his two sites were of no help as they do not feature the 'new Max' Going through the most recent 20 clips yielded nothing but old crap..PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE will someone be kind enough to link or share an image of his zaniness? I am in a state of suspense...
Two separate individuals on a thread about Max over at fetlife mentioned that they had both assumed that the strapon was used due to Max having been chemically castrated...One of the two was a physician who I quoted but neither knew for sure they were just offering opinions and assumptions which I had never considered but it would not be the first time a pornographer had undergone such treatment...The other having occurred in the Russian Federation..Is it clear why I brought a potentially relevant assumption from fetlife to ADT Mr Skinnyass?
Oh and thank you so much for the link @videofan
[/quote] I don't know where you been looking because all of his scenes on max-hardcore.com from recent years feature that ridiculous plastic strapon, such as this one with Alexa Nova: https://www.max-hardcore.com/video/preview-alexa-gets-brutally-buttfucked-by-max-hardcore-act-one-3746.html [/quote] Good answer Videofan. DrChicoWang why on earth are you talking about Max Harcore and chemical castration?
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Posted - Sep 23 2019 : 3:07PM
Ignore this fool he is obviously some troll from XPT as his avatar name makes clear. He's here because XPT has become a graveyard with the occasional racist rant.
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Posted - Mar 14 2018 : 8:46AM
