Max Hardcore vs Meatholes/Pissmops (page 2)

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M vanHouten Member 183 Posts 3/04	Posted - Mar 10 2006 : 4:55PM This thread makes me depressed... [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 11 2006 : 11:44AM dac wrote: ... out of ALL the girls on there, I can only identify one (Sonja Redd) as ever having done any other porn. Click to expand I assume you're talking about FacialAbuse here. Julea London, Tiffany Holiday, Lindsay Layne, Jasmine, Hailey, and Stephie have all done regular porn work. That said, I do think it's a good site with a lot a fresh girls and good action. Edited by - eduardo911 on 3/11/2006 11:49:11 AM [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 11 2006 : 4:10PM Duke Skywalker, when, if ever, do you plan to bring back Yellow Discipline? [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 12 2006 : 6:43AM Does this mean that Duke Skywalker has chosen not to answer my question at all? [Link]

Godsondov Member 29 Posts 12/05	Posted - Mar 12 2006 : 4:20PM THATS Duke Dollars TO U YA PRICK... [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Mar 12 2006 : 5:34PM Can you shill any harder? Thanks for the input Duke, I always wondered about the site ... [Link]
eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03	Posted - Mar 12 2006 : 7:10PM So, for the most part, 99% of the things on facial abuse are either a first timers, or something of a first. We guarantee it. So to say "alot of these girls did other porn work" is true... But not after passing through our hands first. Duke Skywalker Click to expand When I think of it, with the exception of Hailey, I think I did actually saw those girls on your site before I saw them elsewhere. So kudos to you! [Link]
The Dude Deactivated User In the Sex Palace 228 Posts 2/06	Posted - Mar 12 2006 : 7:45PM Godsondov wrote: Dude if u dont call the most ruthless face fucking porn has ever seen hard.. get your wang checked.....Dont look at a couple trailers on there web site u chep bastard buy a dvd of there stuff....u will see plungers in ass, on face, fisting,spiting, i seen a dude put his foot on the back of a teens head and force anotherdudes cock down her throat....thats to hard for tv.. Click to expand Lol before buying something i always check up trailer, sample , whatever that can prove me it will worth my money, cuz i can get all ``ordinary porn`` i want for free, you probably know how. So when i actually BUY something, it must be something special, just like i rarely buy classic movies, i usually rent them, but when its something i really like a lot like underworld then i buy it. Anyway to get back to this website, if its as hard as you say, then they should edit there samples, cuz what i saw was mostly some classic BJ and facial from inexperience amateur girls. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 12 2006 : 9:39PM Duke Skywalker wrote Answer: We have no current plans, near or distant future to bring back the site. Click to expand If you don't mind me asking, What was the reason for getting rid of the site in the first place? [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 13 2006 : 12:05AM Duke Skywalker wrote it was too much of a micro niche. Traffic to the site was hard to get. The returns on it werent high enough to warrant it's existance. Click to expand I see. My initial conclusion was that it had something to do with legal reasons. Edited by - realtip on 3/13/2006 12:07:02 AM [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 13 2006 : 1:22AM Definite answers are usually better than preconceived notions. I must admit that I do find it quite suspicious that all sites dedicated to this niche suddenly disappeared at around the same time. But rather than go on my own speculation, I figured I'd ask for certainty. [Link]
Godsondov Member 29 Posts 12/05	Posted - Mar 13 2006 : 5:31PM Duke do u pinch yourself every morning..cause u have the best job on the planet...U have a bad day u take it out on a teens throat film it and make $ off it....Brillant [Link]
Lance Member My Life Sucks 386 Posts 4/05	Posted - Mar 13 2006 : 10:06PM Don't sweat it Duke, your hard work shows, Beers on me next time I see ya. www.alexandrabelle.com / www.lance-strong.com [Link]
Godsondov Member 29 Posts 12/05	Posted - Mar 13 2006 : 11:25PM Really? What are some of your worst complants about your job? Just curious, cause i assumed it was all great... [Link]

skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Mar 14 2006 : 3:06AM Guhguhguhguhuguhuguhguhuguhughuguhughuguh Edited by - skronker on 3/14/2006 4:56:12 AM [Link]
Godsondov Member 29 Posts 12/05	Posted - Mar 15 2006 : 2:07AM skronker The Fixer It's hard out here for a pimp. 11144 Posts 9/02 Posted - Mar 14 2006 : 03:06:14 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guhguhguhguhuguhuguhguhuguhughuguhughuguh Edited by - skronker on 3/14/2006 4:56:12 AM FUNNYB GUY!! [Link]
Lance Member My Life Sucks 386 Posts 4/05	Posted - Mar 15 2006 : 2:26AM Godsondov wrote: Really? What are some of your worst complants about your job? Just curious, cause i assumed it was all great... Click to expand Most people only see the end product. There is hours of work involved in getting it to the public. Editing, marketing, endless phone calls, and meetings, dealing with difficult talent. I'm sure he wasn't complaining, but it's not all blowjobs and beer either. Just some of it! www.alexandrabelle.com / www.lance-strong.com Edited by - lance on 3/15/2006 2:27:26 AM [Link]
The Dude Deactivated User In the Sex Palace 228 Posts 2/06	Posted - Mar 16 2006 : 11:13PM But that still a great job... sure there works, but there a great part on it , personally its a job i would not mind doing :P [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Mar 16 2006 : 11:32PM Never mind ... Edited by - skronker on 3/16/2006 11:35:02 PM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Mar 17 2006 : 10:48AM IMHO.....rough sex can be cool but it really all depends on how it's done and I really do prefer if the scene is gonna be rough, the girl actually likes it so. I get nothing out of watching a girl who doesn't like rough sex being roughed up. OTOH, it can be very hot if she actually enjoys it and it shows. Max just gives me the creeps. I used to rent his movies a lot because at the time, he was one of the few doing heavy anal and gapes but I really don't care for the "schoolgirl" thing. What's wrong with an 18 or 19 year old acting like an 18 or 19 year old? That's plenty young enough for me. Just creepy. Rocco is great and I have to say that he always seems to have great chemistry with whatever girls he's working with. I'm sure he gets a little rougher than some fans would like sometimes but the women don't seem to mind and guenuinely seem to be attracted to him. Pissmops? I dunno. I've seen a few of their clips and while I think WS can be cool and hot, I just didn't get the feeling anyone involved was actually enjoying any of it. Same with Meatholes. I saw a few decent clips from them but for the most part, I got the sense that the girls weren't liking it. As I said, I think moderately rough sex can be cool but for the most part, people like Max just attract the wrong kind of attention. [Link]
bill_russell_6 Deactivated User Montevideo, Uruguay 563 Posts 12/05	Posted - Mar 17 2006 : 4:14PM RandomPrecision wrote: IMHO.....rough sex can be cool but it really all depends on how it's done and I really do prefer if the scene is gonna be rough, the girl actually likes it so. I get nothing out of watching a girl who doesn't like rough sex being roughed up. OTOH, it can be very hot if she actually enjoys it and it shows. Click to expand 100% agree, i get so excited watching a woman that loves to be treated like a cheap whore and to be rougly abused, there is nothing hotter. [Link]
anti-pop Member 36 Posts 12/04	Posted - Mar 20 2006 : 4:15PM As far as I'm concerned facial abuse is pretty far from being the next meatholes... I agree that seeing some fresh east coast talent is nice, but the things I craved for in meatholes I definitely didn't find in facial abuse (i.e. khan's bullying, hard slapping, wittyish talk and poor humor, getting the girl to say things about herself, the whole thing felt like a big circus...) Form what I've seen of facial abuse, seems like every scene is just dull mechanical face fucking and a dp at the end... sure it may be rough, but it's far from fun to watch. [Link]
dac David Aaron Clark Just another WKW wannabe 574 Posts 2/04	Posted - Mar 20 2006 : 4:38PM Yeah, what fun is it if a lisping sadist isn't trying to prove he's smarter than the ho's by bringing up their rotten childhoods in the hopes they'll break down sobbing? Duke, nuthin' wrong with your formula. It's just the right amount of sleazy without dipping over into wannabe serial-killer territory. Keep up the good work. [Link]
The Dude Deactivated User In the Sex Palace 228 Posts 2/06	Posted - Mar 21 2006 : 9:31AM Personally i like when the girl don`t like it, its can be a pervert fantasy but remember its acting, i like when the scene is done as the girl seem to be very unpleased, sad and look at the guy after a slap with eyes saying ``i hate you bastard`` no need to be real, if its acted right its cool for me. That don`t mean i would rape a girl or else, i like friday the 13 movie, dosen`t mean i would kill people... I see no excitation of the hard things when the girl actually like it personaly. as for Max...a genius? well he is just the first guy that started very rought movie, sure he had the guts to do it, where sombody else may had not, but no need to be genius for that. Especially the retarded teen formula, if he could get ride of that and all the lipstick he put into the girls face that make her look like a mess, then i would praise him, i like when its rought, i like when there piss, but i like a women that look class, with long straight hair, good make up, big breast, thats what turn me on, its normal she end up at the end with the hair not all nicely place etc, but if he could avoid the tiny small girl with no chest and that whole retarded teen thing, that would rock. He have a couple of these scene, i saw some in trailers, Allysin Embers for exemple, but they are very rare... [Link]

The Dude Deactivated User In the Sex Palace 228 Posts 2/06	Posted - Mar 21 2006 : 9:59AM By the way is max releasing anything new? all i saw seem to get old, is there new stuff coming anytime? [Link]
BenSanderson Member 55 Posts 1/06	Posted - Mar 23 2006 : 5:34PM Max puts out new stuff on a fairly regular basis. I just got Universal Max 6 (euro edition) with Hillary Scott. Fantastic scene!!!...Max really works over Hillary. Max Hardcore is top notch. [Link]
The Dude Deactivated User In the Sex Palace 228 Posts 2/06	Posted - Mar 25 2006 : 1:15PM ah ok... [Link]
circ9 New Member 2 Posts 3/06	Posted - Mar 27 2006 : 8:49AM realtip wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I never saw Khan as being all that extreme, especially with him constantly asking the girl if she's OK every two seconds. Click to expand Well, that's a manipulative tactic, the constant talking. Asking "Are you okay?" repeatedly serves as a constant reminder that they can't answer "no" - not if they want to be fully paid. And the way he repeats it, like a mantra almost, drilling it into their skulls... The Dude wrote: Personally i like when the girl don`t like it, its can be a pervert fantasy but remember its acting, Click to expand I think the problem is you're willing to believe it's acting. You think these girls can act? There ain't no future Academy Award winners on pissmops, kid. Khan's whole point is to push the girls to the point where they're no longer acting, to force out the fear behind the facade. Khan prefers it when the girls balk, when they shy away and he "convinces" them (by reminding them they won't get paid unless they do it) to open their mouths and taste it, to swallow it. He loves that deer-in-the-headlights shit. He's not interested in the kind of "degradation" that a girl may get off on - he's interested in actually shaming them, making them regret what they are doing and capturing it on camera as their mouths say "yes" and their eyes say "no" - when they realize they've passed the point of no return. Perhaps he's a closet moralist trying to teach them a lesson, I dunno. He's probably scared a number of girls out of porn. I feel bad for girls stupid enough to do his little show. No girl who shoots one of his scenes (or Max's pissing scenes) is ever going to be able to cash in on potential crossover success. None of them are going to get asked to do book signings at Barnes & Noble like Jenna Jameson, none of them are going to get asked to do cameos in "legit" films. Their careers begin and end with porn. If they hit Hollywood with stars in their eyes and dreams of stardom, well, that's all over now. You think any serious producer's gonna hire someone who's got Khan Tusion pissing in their mouth on their resume? It's no wonder Taylor "MF" Rain stones herself into incoherence, it's probably the only way to sublimate the demons that keep her awake at night. [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Mar 27 2006 : 9:38AM circ9 wote I feel bad for girls stupid enough to do his little show. No girl who shoots one of his scenes (or Max's pissing scenes) is ever going to be able to cash in on potential crossover success. None of them are going to get asked to do book signings at Barnes & Noble like Jenna Jameson, none of them are going to get asked to do cameos in "legit" films. Their careers begin and end with porn. Click to expand That's pretty much universal for all porn girls. [Link]
Lance Member My Life Sucks 386 Posts 4/05	Posted - Mar 27 2006 : 10:32AM circ9 wote I feel bad for girls stupid enough to do his little show. No girl who shoots one of his scenes (or Max's pissing scenes) is ever going to be able to cash in on potential crossover success. None of them are going to get asked to do book signings at Barnes & Noble like Jenna Jameson, none of them are going to get asked to do cameos in "legit" films. Their careers begin and end with porn. Click to expand Didn't Brianna Banks do a scene or 2 with Max? As I recall didn't she do relatively well? Porn is porn, and trying to get crossover success is gonna be tough either way, as realtip said. www.alexandrabelle.com / www.lance-strong.com [Link]
bill_russell_6 Deactivated User Montevideo, Uruguay 563 Posts 12/05	Posted - Mar 27 2006 : 11:02AM hillary scott also is doing well and she worked with max. in my opinion i preffer meatholes all the way to max hardcore, specially because the kind of clothes he give her sluts. [Link]
michellevids New Member 3 Posts 10/06	Posted - Oct 28 2006 : 11:19PM realtip wrote: circ9 wote I feel bad for girls stupid enough to do his little show. No girl who shoots one of his scenes (or Max's pissing scenes) is ever going to be able to cash in on potential crossover success. None of them are going to get asked to do book signings at Barnes & Noble like Jenna Jameson, none of them are going to get asked to do cameos in "legit" films. Their careers begin and end with porn. Click to expand That's pretty much universal for all porn girls. Click to expand I was doing a search on a P2P site for Donna Marie stuff and thats how I found pissmops. She is a really game girl but she really didn't like it. I was surprised to find Bonnie Heart on there (took it no problem) then I found out she did the same with Max Hardcore. They even got a ropey looking Tiffany Minx in the tub. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 29 2006 : 12:31AM But then you'd face fuck it!! Duke Skywalker wrote: turn that frown, upside down! :) Click to expand Seriously, the first time I caught wind of FA was searching for scenes with a "then-new" Tiffany (Tiffaney) Holiday. The "two fat guys" jammed their cock down her gullet, DP'd her in a hotel room, and of course her filthy lil' mouth was one of the best parts...all stuff that stuck with her throughout her porn career (of course, she's now returned). Julea London, also of Feeding Frenzy fame, was on FA long before Jules got his hands on her. Good hard fucking that isn't as depressing as the "other" stuff that's out there. Although, I did feel part of my soul being leeched thru my pee-pee hole (like a gaul stone) after taking out a subscription and seeing the wanna-be porn stars get the medicine they couldn't handle. Some of them seemed to think they were on the path to being the next Jenna Jameson or something....ahhh, like so many young girls aspire. Amongst all the girls who really got into their scenes @ FA, I found Tiffany Holiday to actually seem smitten with shame by the end of her scene. All the "you like fucking a piece of shit, don't you?" comments wore her down to nothing, IMO, and the spitting (which I use as an offense to start fights personally) in one's face is just disgusting. Otherwise, FA is OK by me. Max is too creepy, and I've never seen Meatholes (and prefer to stay that way). circ9 wrote: ...he's interested in actually shaming them, making them regret what they are doing and capturing it on camera as their mouths say "yes" and their eyes say "no" - when they realize they've passed the point of no return. Click to expand Edited by - Eric381 on 10/29/2006 1:04:42 AM [Link]
michellevids New Member 3 Posts 10/06	Posted - Oct 29 2006 : 12:50AM She looked a bit ropey but I've seen her give enough BJ's to know i'd def face fuck it [Link]

WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Nov 25 2006 : 8:21PM skronker wrote: Max pays a lot less, from what I've been told. But he often gets girls who have done less than five scenes, so they don't really know any better. He's got a pipeline to the sleaziest agents who take a sick thrill in feeding their young, supple charges into the gaping maw of depravity that is Max. One of those sleazy agents actually is / was british Dick Nasty. Saw it on a british documentary on one of our national TV-stations. He, Dick, posted add's in british papers, and this girl, Felicity, was tempted and transported over to the valley (with a camera crew in heals). This was not very flattering for the world of porn. One of her first scenes, Dick sets her up with Max Hardcore. She is piss-scared, but chauffeur and host Nasty tries to calm her down, saying that "stories about him to be greatly exaggerated", "he has a small dick" and "drinking problem" (This would NOT have calmed me down). Anyway, when they arrive, Max is very abusive and direct. In stead of calming her down and introducing himself, he rams his d... up her ass, telling her (when he hears that she has worked with Steve Perry in Britain) that she is a dirty slut. This is before they have even started filming. She adresses to him that she is nervous, and she is trembling. This does not calm down Max. Next, Felicity tells the crew that she is scared shitless, and don't wanna do it. Mr Nasty is just catatonic, watching the whole scenario as if he could'nt care less. The crew tries to make her pull out of it, but Max persuades her to keep on doing it (I must remind you, that this is Max, and not a shrink). The scene is starting and she is very uncomfortable, which make Max very turned on, and brutal in my eyes. She finally, mid-scene, gets what look like a mental breakdown (it's very intimidating for the viewer), and runs out on the bathroom crying. Mr Nasty still looks like he is in a boring coma. Now, the most disturbing part of this documentary unfolds. Max gets in to the bathroom, and tries to be "gentle", and wan't her to fulfill the scene. Bad timing, she just wanna go home to Britain to her family. She seems to be in shock. When some of these facts hits Max, the "gentle" side is gone. He talks about being a winner ("Are you a winner? Don't dissapoint me!!! Are you a looser? If you don't finish this scene you are a looser! I thought you were a winner, everybody told me"). When his manipulation goes wrong, the tone gets rude, and he tells that she is one of the few ever to back out. She is a coward. She costs him a lot of money for nothing (getting a camera man and cancelling his vacation). He is very confronting and mean in my eyes to a person in her most vulnerable. The camera team intervenes and takes her out of this situation, which pisses Max off. I am so glad that they were there, don't know how far he and his cameraman Paul Cox would have gone with her if they were not there. Very disturbing. She ends up in tears in the car, and MR Nasty is quiet as an oyster on the way back. She can't wait to go home to britain. I can't help thinkin that it was the director and not the female talent who wrecked this scene. The womens group in our country really got smell of bait, and they claimed for sure that this program presented the "truth" about the industry. Hope it's not! [Link]
Krillin Member 92 Posts 3/06	Posted - Nov 26 2006 : 2:06AM Anyone here who saw Bianca Pureheart's scene in Pissmops? That was real piss swallowing/drinking right there!!! [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Nov 26 2006 : 2:49AM Actually, it turns out that talent often enough selects Max for his outrageousness. They wanna see what it's all about. [Link]
duffy Deactivated User 208 Posts 4/06	Posted - Dec 16 2006 : 8:41PM Krillin wrote: Anyone here who saw Bianca Pureheart's scene in Pissmops? That was real piss swallowing/drinking right there!!! Click to expand More needed! [Link]
married_lucky Deactivated User 202 Posts 11/06	Posted - Dec 16 2006 : 11:32PM I really don't know about all the personalities but, I think that any man the enjoys watching women being pissed and shit and puked on, while being choked, slapped, fisted, and forced to implicate/humiliate her family is a man that is clearly damaged and possibly dangerous. As far as those that produced this type of obcenity, if they can get away with it...more power to them but, I think they are going to get us all pinched. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 12:47AM married_lucky wrote: I really don't know about all the personalities but, I think that any man the enjoys watching women being pissed and shit and puked on, while being choked, slapped, fisted, and forced to implicate/humiliate her family is a man that is clearly damaged and possibly dangerous. Click to expand But people who enjoy watching violent Hollywood blockbuster type movies are perfectly normal, I suppose? There's a pretty big difference between enjoying being an observer and actually wanting to do something. As far as those that produced this type of obcenity, if they can get away with it...more power to them but, I think they are going to get us all pinched. Click to expand Obscenity. Now there's a word porn fans never hear. I'm tired of hearing it, really. It has no meaning. I do agree with you that some of this stuff is likely to cause problems for the entire porn industry. But that has very little to do with whether it's right or wrong and everything to do with people who don't want anyone watching any kind of porn at all. I personally don't think the industry can afford to push limits with people like that in positions of power but what can you do? I don't think people like Max would be in business without willing participants. He does what he does and women sell their services to him and people buy it. Someone is obviously watching it and a lot of girls apparently don't mind working for him. [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 2:14AM RandomPrecision wrote: I don't think people like Max would be in business without willing participants. He does what he does and women sell their services to him and people buy it. Someone is obviously watching it and a lot of girls apparently don't mind working for him. Click to expand It's unfortunate however that a hateful peice of shit like Max can operate with impunity because a naive girl signed a model release. There's a difference between someone like Jules Jordan who gets off on how beautiful or sexy a girl is as opposed to a guy like Max who isn't happy unless he can witness the destruction of a human being. That's not hyperbole. That's truly his motivation. The fact that he makes money from it is beside the point; Max would do it for free and if he wasn't holding a camera while he does it, he'd be in prison. Just my opinion of course. We're all guilty to some extent of stealing souls. Edited by - mike quasar on 12/17/2006 2:24:25 AM [Link]
Barto Member 118 Posts 10/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 5:05AM I dooubt he's hateful, just making easy money. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 7:03AM RandomPrecision wrote: married_lucky wrote: I really don't know about all the personalities but, I think that any man the enjoys watching women being pissed and shit and puked on, while being choked, slapped, fisted, and forced to implicate/humiliate her family is a man that is clearly damaged and possibly dangerous. Click to expand But people who enjoy watching violent Hollywood blockbuster type movies are perfectly normal, I suppose? Click to expand violence in hollywood is fake. the things that khan tusion does are quite real. he chokes women on film and tells them they are worthless, soulless whores. sorry, but your comparison is erroneous. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 7:09AM i think max has a solid concept. he makes a quality product, he delivers every time, he's found a niche that resonates with people and has supplied the demand. essentially, the product he makes is great, the only problem is his attitude. his stuff would be great if he were less evil, and didn't play that misogynistic shit, and just be such a complete jerk to the women. he can still be hardcore without being an asshole. that kind of attitude is detrimental to our society. fuck it off. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 9:02AM ma meeshka wrote: RandomPrecision wrote: married_lucky wrote: I really don't know about all the personalities but, I think that any man the enjoys watching women being pissed and shit and puked on, while being choked, slapped, fisted, and forced to implicate/humiliate her family is a man that is clearly damaged and possibly dangerous. Click to expand But people who enjoy watching violent Hollywood blockbuster type movies are perfectly normal, I suppose? Click to expand violence in hollywood is fake. the things that khan tusion does are quite real. he chokes women on film and tells them they are worthless, soulless whores. sorry, but your comparison is erroneous. Click to expand It doesn't matter if the violence is fake or real. For the purpose of this comparison, all that really matters is that the person enjoys watching it. Hollywood violence is made to look as real as possible. If a movie is well done, people get lost in it and forget that it isn't real (at least until it's over). I bet Arnold is called "Terminator" more often than he's called Arnold. And more to the point, the guy's name is "Khan Tusion". What do people expect? 18 and 19 year olds may be a bit inexperienced in the ways of the world but I'm pretty sure most of them can put that one together. If they can't, I sure wouldn't want them driving a car. Is your contention that this guy grabs completely innocent and clueless women off the street at random, drags them kicking and screaming into his lair and has his twisted way with them? I haven't seen much of his stuff. What I have seen didn't really seem as bad as some people make it out to be. Yeah...there was some choking, gagging, name calling and so forth. I've seen most of that in more mainstream types of porn from the larger studios. No permanent scars. No broken bones. Nobody dies. I don't really see the big deal. I'm personally not really into the misogyny thing. I'd rather see rough sex where the women enjoy it. But there are those who even think that is wrong so whatever. Actually, I'd probably rather see a passionate, romantic scene then either of the above if it was done right. I just think these guys are too close to the edge of what people will accept and I don't want to see a backlash against all porn. Edited by - RandomPrecision on 12/17/2006 9:02:23 AM [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 9:23AM i don't advocate this stuff, but i have seen a substantial amount of it. why? i'm a yin and yang kind of person. there is a huge difference between simulated violence and real violence. most of the audience (most) can distinguish fantasy from reality, so fake stuff may 'seem' real, but it never is real. they call him the terminator by association, they don't think he really is a cyborg. right? i can see what you're trying to say. your points are pretty decent, i just don't think you should make that comparison, and you ought to actually watch this stuff before you pass judgement. i think you'd make a stronger case then. [Link]
married_lucky Deactivated User 202 Posts 11/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 11:13AM Where do we go from here? What's the next step?: Planet Max 100 "From here to eternity" I know some porn stars kill themselves, shoot themselves, OD, ect. If they have the mind-set to kill themselves anyway, and sign a consent to have MAX film the scene, is that ok? She consented. The scene opens with the usual pissing, puking on, choking, ass fucking while being made to make yourself puke. The cum shot on the face with some more puke and she looks into the camera says, "It's been a wonder life Mom and Dad", then picks up her legally purchase gun and blows her head off. It was something she wanted to do anyway....why not? I know where my own line is, but I don't want to define where your line should be. If a line is to be drawn where should it be? [Link]
Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 11:15AM married_lucky wrote: Where do we go from here? What's the next step?: Planet Max 100 "From here to eternity" I know some porn stars kill themselves, shoot themselves, OD, ect. If they have the mind-set to kill themselves anyway, and sign a consent to have MAX film the scene, is that ok? She consented. The scene opens with the usual pissing, puking on, choking, ass fucking while being made to make yourself puke. The cum shot on the face with some more puke and she looks into the camera says, "It's been a wonder life Mom and Dad", then picks up her legally purchase gun and blows her head off. It was something she wanted to do anyway....why not? I know where my own line is, but I don't want to define where your line should be. If a line is to be drawn where should it be? Click to expand It doesn't have to be drawn anywhere but you can still point out evil when you see it even if it is consensual evil. [Link]
married_lucky Deactivated User 202 Posts 11/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 11:22AM Filming suicides could be a whole new genre for Max. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Dec 17 2006 : 7:35PM mike is right. the evil isn't in the sex acts--you'll find all of those in many other films--and it isn't in the "humiliation," which is simulated in his films, it's often just a matter of the girl mimicing max's drivel. the evil is max and his personality, his attitude towards the girls and how he treats them. it doesn't belong in porn. [Link]