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| nineischarm Member 39 Posts 4/17 |  Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 3:43PMIt is not scientific but has personal experiences in it. And check Charity Crawford's twiter i hope she is ok Is life really worth living?- charity crawford (@charitycrawxxx) 10 Ocak 2018 https://twitter.com/charitycrawxxx/status/951193261946867712 Edited by - nineischarm on 1/11/2018 4:20:46 PM Edited by - nineischarm on 1/11/2018 4:22:05 PM   [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 5:42PM Does she even know how to calculate life expectancy? yes, there are deaths in porn, but to make the "life expectancy of a porn performer to be 37", that would account for THOUSANDS of deaths in the last 30 years to even calculate such a figure. Have there been dozens of performers that have died in the last 20 years under 37, yep. There are also millions of people in America in all sorts of non-sex jobs that died before 37. Two suicides in porn this year does not make a statistic like this. She can present us numbers that say it is higher or lower than a national average, but to throw that out there is just embarrassing. A "vast a majority of the performers I shot most of my movies with in the 1990s are no longer with us". This is complete bunk. 20 minutes on IAFD throws that out the window in a moment. Society has people committing suicide, overdosing on drugs, getting murdered, having car accidents, and so on. Does porn have risks? Absolutely! But this is complete bunk what she is writing just from those two alone. There are ways to discuss the negatives of the sex industry without turning into Donald Trump and pulling air out of your butt and presenting it as fact. Because of her name and people not researching for themselves, this will be accepted by a lot of casual readers. Which is DANGEROUS, especially when you have lawmakers wanting to doom the sex industry; pieces like this, filled with falsehoods, do not protect sex workers. Ok, rant over for a moment. Edited by - A_Fan on 1/11/2018 5:43:00 PM [Link] |
Gore Gore Girl  Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 5:57PM This kind of crap hurts sex workers. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 6:06PM Number of performers in the sample: 129 who were directors, performers, writers, and producers covering six decades of the industry. Causes of death include: suicide, AIDS, car crash, heart failure, lung disease, overdose, asthma, murder, Alzheimers, brain cancer, stroke, and on and on. So yeah. Bullshit. [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 7:22PM her article hurts sex workers, it helps no one other than making it look like she is some industry whistleblower to the general public. Which I guess is her agenda. She is trying to create various post porn career options as a writer, or at the very least have people feel sorry for her so she can explain away any shortcomings. I think all the people she worked with in the 90s should post comments and say "Hey, I am alive!" :) To be more serious. I find this article to be completely irresponsible and even worse than her "anti escorting" work when she magically shows up at athletic events with wealthy athlete "friends" Edited by - A_Fan on 1/11/2018 7:30:49 PM [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3628 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 8:48PM *Comparison of the Mental Health of Female Adult Film Performers and Other Young Women in California *Pornography Actresses: An Assessment of the Damaged Goods Hypothesis * Comparison of Sexual Behaviors and Attitudes, Self-Esteem, Quality of Life, and Drug Use Among Pornography Actors and a Matched Sample *Sexual Behaviors and Attitudes, Quality of Life, and Drug Use: A Comparison Between Bisexual and Heterosexual Pornography Actresses [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 9:21PM They are , however, worth reading. THanks for sharing them. [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 9:29PM I informally have been looking at IAFD which is very comprehensive as far as her 1990s work goes. its a bit of a manual job as you have to click individual performers and so forth. However, I challenge anyone to find more than 2 or 3 that she actually performed with in sex scenes in the 1990s that are currently deceased. I havent found one yet, and I clicked quite a few. I am not a database of 1990s performer names so I cant just scan a list and know who is deceased Anyways, that claim is bogus too I re read the article. There is a lot of meaningful content in there. However, when she wraps it in bullshit it really takes away any value she could have had and turns it into tabloid crap that could be used against the industry , not to make it better. Highly disappointed in Lisa Ann. Edited by - A_Fan on 1/11/2018 9:30:33 PM [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3628 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 9:35PM [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3628 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 11 2018 : 9:38PM but I don't expect the average lay person to understand proper sampling and statistics. [Link] |
| Mass Facialties Deactivated User "Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie 9308 Posts 9/13 | Posted - Jan 12 2018 : 11:03AM Two parts from it that are especially relevent to this thread: [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jan 13 2018 : 7:35AM http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/two-aussie-porn-stars-speak-about-pressures-in-the-industry-after-four-colleagues-die-in-three-months/news-story/41f9002a1303fb92f35b785757a2292d " "We're considered outcasts from society. A lot of us have to hide parts of our lifestyles and that leads to isolation and a lot of us have strange relationships with our families and friends because most of aren't 'out' which can lead to more loneliness," Ms Missina told news.com.au. Ms Bee, who has been in the porn industry since 2010, said the loneliness can come from the stigma they face on a daily basis. "When you can't get that help and you don't have a lot of people who can at least listen to you to talk about what you're dealing with - that can be very isolating. Isolation and feeling alone sucks," Ms Bee said. "What's really killing us at the moment is stigma. When we enter this industry we immediately get stigmatised, they treat us like garbage while simultaneously engaging and enjoying whatever we're creating. "They love and watch the content but they don't really give a shit about the people that are making it, which I find incredibly frustrating," she said." [Link] |
| limbodan Member 356 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Jan 13 2018 : 7:51AM [Link] |
| Hangdog90 Member 109 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Jan 14 2018 : 1:09PM The porn consuming community is probably a microcosm of life. I am a doctorate level scientist and many doctors, engineers, and businessmen with MBAs are ardent consumers of porn. On a more general level the scientific community has a responsibility to make sure that the basic tenets of good research are understood by everyone in society, and teaching scientific method, the psychology of bias and some basic process improvement ideas, not to mention how to parse a newspaper or blog article for honesty, should be part of the civics curriculum. The US has become a polarised society and truth telling has been eroded as a core value especially since the Gore/Bush fiasco in Florida, where looking on as a European scientist, I was saddened to see that people took positions on the voting issue based on politics and not on science. All this seems like a digression but it is relevant. As far as deaths in the industry performer community, four in one year is a large number compared to the death rate for women in the 18-25 age group. That is just an educated guess because it is not a scientific sample, but a magnitude of difference of at least tenfold tells us to worry. It is hard to calculate both numerator and denominator in this field. However there was a published peer reviewed US study of prostitutes published in 2004 that indicated the death rate in that aspect of sex work was 200 times higher than for women of similar age and race. The problem is people's views are highly politicized. Missy Martinez tweeted the other day that the only reason porn star deaths were noticed was that they were famous people. She said the media was fetishizing porn deaths and exaggerating to suit its own sensationalist agenda. This probably has some truth to it, but her point that the death rate in the adult movie performer community was the same as for the general population just doesn't have a basis. I pointed out that objectively less than 20,000 porn films were made in 2017 in the US and the 80/20 rule applies so that most stars appear in multiple films, then in all likelihood there were not more than 10,000 performers (and that is a large and generous estimate). I was attacked by a guy who said there were a hundred thousand plus "sex workers" in the US. I replied that Missy had started the thread not about sex workers in general but about performers in the adult movie industry. Of course my attacker was not interested in the distinction because it didn't suit his purpose. [Link] |
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| Hangdog90 Member 109 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Jan 14 2018 : 2:42PM Religion is used to control those who believe in it with fear of hellfire, but also to ostracise and vilify those who don't believe in it. Heretics have been persecuted for.centuries and belief in the wrong religion has been costly. Jews in the 20th century, Muslims now, Rohinga etc. Many religions are started with noble ideas about love and helping our fellow man but eventually are corrupted by people who use them to their own ends. And religion has strange effects. I have liked in UK for 20 years and in that time most people I knew didn't care about religion except for weddings funerals and Christmas. But the rise of the minority religion of Islam has resulted in lapsed Christians going back to their beliefs and we now she a lot of Crusader imagery and crosses in right wing groups. The Muslim leaders are actually happy about this because persecuting a faith is the best way to get people to practise it. Look at Ireland. While the British had anti Catholic laws the people became super Catholic and after independence from Britain the church dominated society and imposed massive anti sexuality and anti feminist agenda. It took exposure of the abuse of kids by priests to knock them.back and now.Ireland is very much a post Christian agnostic society. This is all very well but religiosity takes decades to change. When I was growing up in repressed Catholic Ireland in the 70s we looked to American movies as an alternateve truth. The heroes like Eastwood and MCQueen bedded hot women within hours of meeting them and they were the heroes, the good guys. It was the only counter narrative to the church anti sexuality. Ironically now, I look to America and see a country that has its liberal heart eroded over 40 years and the rise of a crass, stupid cadre that literally believe in the seven day creation and disavow Darwin, and call hermosexuaity a disorder. In recent years it has occurred to me, why don't we allow people to migrate to designated countries if they are liberal and others if they are not? We would soon see if the Sodom and Gomorrah bullshit was true or if the recreation of the Medici Florentine State of the renaissance would work better. Remember that Leonardo da Vinci would have been lost to the world had Florence not existed. As a gay artistic man he would have been crushed in any other city, especially Rome. [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jan 14 2018 : 4:04PM There are disturbed or drug addicted girls who do porn for the easy money many of them escort . For example if a drug addicted girl enters in porn and also escort to what reasin would you attach an overdose? Is some actress is victim of an abusive partner what porn has to do with that. also I'd like to remind Sledgehammer who has been killed by the police , is his death related to him being a porn performer or the abusive behaviour of some nervous policeman? [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 14 2018 : 4:41PM [Link] |
| limbodan Member 356 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Jan 14 2018 : 4:56PM [Link] |
| Matt_Foley Member 15 Posts 12/17 | Posted - Jan 14 2018 : 6:13PM [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 14 2018 : 8:55PM Its a battle, but 40% of the nation still legitimately believe the earth is 6000 years old, and the GOP still fight hard against equal rights for people who are not hetro, not christian, and not white. Long way to go. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 1:59AM People were opressing women and sex workers long before the arrival of monotheism. [Link] |
| limbodan Member 356 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 5:36AM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 10:17AM [Link] |
| Arnold The Geek Deactivated User 251 Posts 7/17 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 10:32AM [Link] |
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| limbodan Member 356 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 10:47AM https://www.livescience.com/46123-many-americans-creationists.html Edited by - limbodan on 1/15/2018 10:48:10 AM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 11:02AM I can't find the sample size, though, nor how these polls are conducted/accessed. I only read the article though. Will dig around. [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 11:03AM Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted May 3-7, 2017, with a random sample of 1,011 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 70% cellphone respondents and 30% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods." And you can download a pdf of the full methodology and responses. [Link] |
| limbodan Member 356 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 11:08AM [Link] |
| Matt_Foley Member 15 Posts 12/17 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 11:33AM Probably, but the stigma that sex workers endure creates an environment conducive to depression, so politics, misogyny, religion, and law are intimately tied to mental health in sex work. The way people treat porn performers is a massive part of this. If you want to help, you can do so by actively combating those attitudes and donating money to organizations and legal cases that work toward ending that stigma. [/quote] I do that every day, it's my job. Well not the donating part because I don't make the kind of money to do that. I realize how all of these things negatively impact one's mental well being. However, my point is, you can help an individual quicker than you can change a whole society, so why not address the mental health piece rather than everything out of the individual's control. [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3628 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 6:55PM [Link] |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3628 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 15 2018 : 7:24PM [Link] |
| Mass Facialties Deactivated User "Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie 9308 Posts 9/13 | Posted - Jan 16 2018 : 4:59AM Getting back to the subject of this thread...let's face it, with the exception of this (quoted below), the people in porn are pretty much on their own: [Link] |
| Hangdog90 Member 109 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Jan 16 2018 : 11:45AM |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jan 18 2018 : 1:45AM The local women’s forum I follow had an interview with Madison Missina on this issue. https://www.mamamia.com.au/porn-star-suicides/ Some interesting comments. Regarding bullying within the industry: “What drives this behaviour, she argues, is something called 'lateral violence' - that is, attacking one's peers rather than one's enemies, a characteristic often associated with disenfranchised groups. "No one wants to be at the bottom of the pecking order within a group that's already at the bottom of society's pecking order. So they try and shoot those around them down," she said. " And an interesting comment for you Matt Foley “Sadly, many performers argue that even mental health professionals aren't immune to prejudices against them and their work, and that their jobs are often treated as a symptom. "When we seek professional help we basically have to seek out peer-based counsellors, because [others] basically say the reason why our lives are chaotic, the reason we're having these issues is because we're sex workers, and so they try to get us out of the industry," Missina said. “ [Link] |
| Matt_Foley Member 15 Posts 12/17 | Posted - Jan 18 2018 : 11:03AM That is interesting. I mean if your job is causing you stress you discuss the options of finding a new job regardless of the profession, but if it is something they're passionate about and want to keep doing or don't have other options you don't push them. They're not very good therapists if they don't know their clients and have the rapport necessary to make these decisions. i'm guessing the therapists are bringing this up before even knowing the client. Really it's just being lazy and hoping they can quickly solve their client's problem instead of providing them tools they can use to cope. It's not like mental health professionals are immune to being bad at their jobs, it's something we deal with on a daily basis and is probably the most stressful thing about my own job. [Link] |
| pringles All-Star Member 1351 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Jan 18 2018 : 12:32PM See adult performance as a valid form of employment. Be aware of and willing to learn more about the unique nature of the adult industry from performers. Acknowledge that sexuality is diverse and that no one view or social norm can encompass what constitutes healthy sexuality. Respect the choice of each individual to be an adult performer and not try to "save" the individual from sex work. Understand that sex workers are as entitled to privacy and their boundaries as any other client. Edited by - pringles on 1/18/2018 12:33:34 PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jan 18 2018 : 1:13PM [Link] |
| Mass Facialties Deactivated User "Facialized Vol. 7" 2021 AVN Awards Winner: Best Oral Movie 9308 Posts 9/13 | Posted - Jan 20 2018 : 2:59PM [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jan 20 2018 : 4:05PM I've picked some quotes below. "[Ruby says] In my opinion, they really don't care whether we die or not," she says of the industry's producers. "In fact, I'm going to be probably a little crass here, but this is true: They'd prefer we die because they can make money off of us forever." " "Unlike pre-Internet porn stars, performers today face the added pressures of social media interactions, increased competition without increased pay and a demand for more physically taxing sex scenes - all of which can exacerbate existing mental health or substance abuse issues." (I would add, in addition, where pre-internet, when you left the industry, you could assume your images were unlikely to be seen or known about by people you come into contact with. ) "To her [Amber Lynn], the onus is on performers to better define their boundaries and learn to step away from the gig - including its social media obligations - if it becomes hazardous, mentally or physically. "A lot of these people get into the business and they don't think they can be anything else. They don't think they can survive outside the industry and that's not true," she says. "You can get out of the industry tomorrow if it no longer works." " Edited by - Simple Simon on 1/20/2018 5:46:11 PM [Link] |
| nineischarm Member 39 Posts 4/17 | Posted - Jan 20 2018 : 4:35PM [Link] |
| Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15 | Posted - Jan 20 2018 : 5:21PM |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 20 2018 : 7:32PM This is not a literary forum, but there are polls and studies out there that are easily found and can be quoted and footnoted, and you can go into any Evangelical church and still see a lot of young earth creationists. I think in Canada the number is much lower, which reflects in the laws which promote science and equality a lot more and the squabbles that various states have over trans and LGBT and gay marriage and evolution are not election issues in Canada; because not enough of the population is still hanging onto literal interpretations of Genesis. Edited by - A_Fan on 1/20/2018 7:42:51 PM [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 20 2018 : 7:40PM [Link] |
| rearadmiral All-Star Member 6524 Posts 12/11 | Posted - Jan 21 2018 : 9:46AM This is off topic, but I recall reading some years ago a hypothesis as to why the US is so different from other Western democracies when it comes to religiousity. A statistician in Canada named Michael Adams wrote a couple of books over a 10+ year period based on polling and interviews and found some striking differences between the US and Canada in terms of issues like religion and patriarchy. He anticipated those differences would lessen over time as Americans became more moderate but in his 2003 book he found that the gaps were actually widening. I think it's fair to say that those gaps have widened even more since 2003. Anyway, Adams hypothesized that American religiousity was caused by your strict separation of church and state. In Canada, the UK, Australia and most other western democracies there was no such divide. In the UK the Anglican church is part of government. Their head of state, the Queen, is also the head of the Church. In Canada, depending on where you were, either the Anglican or Catholic church held huge influence in government. In the 1960s in Quebec the government and the Catholic Church teamed up to make the lives of Mormons miserable. But... in the 1960s when people began being distrustful of government and were demanding more accountability they saw the churches as just being part of that rot and beginning in the 1960s there was a huge turning away from the churches as people 'modernized' their thinking about individual rights. But in the US, the hypothesis goes, the church wasn't tainted by the anti-government movement and therefore survived and thrived. Obviously this depends a lot on what circles you run in, but of the potentially hundreds of people I know, either well or in passing, I only know of two, a couple in their late 70s, who attend church regularly. It's Sunday morning now and virtually everyone I know is doing something other than worshiping. It just isn't part of their lives. Admittedly, not all of them are posting on a porn thread and nursing a wee hangover, but they're definitely not in church either. (* Abortion is the one socially conservative issue that still seems to have legs in Canada. Federal law allows it (though prohibits the most divisive forms of it in late term) but the provinces manage the health care system so they have day-to-day control. Where I live, in New Brunswick, the single-payer health care system will only pay for abortions after a woman jumps through some hoops. A private clinic has opened to get around that. In a neighbouring province, Prince Edward Island, no hospital will perform abortions so women there generally go to the clinic in NB. It's fair to say though that both NB and PEI are among the most socially conservative provinces in the country. The populations of both are very white, very old, very old-school and very rural.) [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jan 21 2018 : 12:20PM The grey line on top represents people who claim to be young earth creationists. It seems to have changed very little since the first poll, especially given the margin of error. The scientific consensus is that humanity emerged by natural processes, but science is agnostic on the question of the degree to which a supernatural being may (or may not have) designed natural processes with a certain end in mind. Thus it's hard to know what fraction of middle group accept the scientific consensus. Again, it seems that the middle group is little changed since the 1980s. Still, there seems to have been a real increase in the number of respondents who affirm the third option. I suspect a large part of this may be explained by immigration, and may not represent a dramatic shift in the thinking of the US-born population.  (Remember that the margin of error isn't the same for the entire poll. The fewer people who make a claim, the less confidence in your statistic, so there is a bigger margin of error in the estimate for the third group. So one could imagine an unchanged proportion with a margin of error of around 5 or 6% for that statistic. Still, it's hard to look at the third line and not see a steady increase.) [Link] |
| limbodan Member 356 Posts 11/16 | Posted - Jan 21 2018 : 12:32PM Edited by - limbodan on 1/21/2018 12:41:01 PM [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 21 2018 : 2:02PM Yes about the Conservatives in Canada. Actually, they have given up a lot of the "Moral values" that are still rooted in the GOP in America because it just is not a viable position in Canada anymore. They will no longer fight against gay marriage, they are so so on abortion but the last long term Cons government decided to just leave the laws where they are. They still don't give a shit about trans issues but on the other hand as a party they are not trying to enact laws that will harm them. While a lot of their MPS do believe in young earth creationism, they dont make it an election issue, don't attempt to mess with school boards over teaching it in schools, and generally keep it as a personal value. The last time a Conservative leader made it a public issue (Stockwell Day in the early 2000s I think), he got decimated over it and they learned a hard lesson. More and more Christians are creating their narrative that science is real,evolution and the age of the universe is real, and it is just "Gods' Design to be that way". If that brings them peace so be it. But when the number of Americans passionately adhering to Genesis is so high, and they have huge influence in the GOP, it causes a lot of issues in the nation that are far from being addressed. [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jan 25 2018 : 8:20PM [Link] |
| CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11 | Posted - Jan 28 2018 : 5:58PM [Link] |
| A_Fan Deactivated User 1187 Posts 9/16 | Posted - Jan 28 2018 : 9:17PM [Link] |
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