I know there's a big market for young girls in porn. But in my opinion the minimum age for joining the porn industry should be raised to 21. Lots of these young girls aren't aware of the major impact of this decision on their future life. I think taking a look at the pornstar careers of the last years proofs me right. Most of today's major stars didn't start as barely legals. And lots of the "it-girls of teen porn" of the recent time vanished as fast as they appeared.
The porn industry is a shark pool. A minimum age of 21 could prevent teens from making decisions they would soon regret.
P.S.: I know this issue is often brought up by stars in their thirties. Therefore it has the smell of "getting rid of the young competition". Nonetheless I'm against teens doing porn just as I'm against children knotting carpets in India.
This is an interesting point juha and I can see where you're coming from. I can't help wondering though if the girls who get involved in porn at 18 wouldn't do exactly the same when they reached 21 if there was a minimum-21 age limit.
As long as you raise the age to 21 for getting pregnant, smoking/drinking, joining the army and marriage....which in my opinion are also decisions which will have a major impact on their future lives.
Probably most will do. But some teenager might do porn only to piss of her parents, or to help her boyfriend with some quick cash. And soon after that they regret it.
Moreover at the age of 21 you’re more able to take control of your career. Teens often are not able to draw the line how far to go on the set. The producers might get them some alcohol and persuade them to get involved in nasty stuff they feel ashamed of the next day.
No, I can't see a difference. With a little thought, I see a difference, but this is certainly not going in your direction either.
If a person is smart, competent, mature enough to decide about life and death matters and matters affecting other people's lives , even if it is only picking the people/parties who actually decide these matters, then how the hell can s/he be considered not being able to decide about her/his life ?
edit: I see the ratio behind your argument, and I may even concur with you on the positive effects of such a 21+ policy, but... [see above]
I see but not agree when you vote you decide not only for youself but for your whole country, you can decide if you want to support a war or not , if someone is not able to decide those things it is not a matter of age but a fault of school system and parents both at the same time.
It seem to me a little odd if you're good being a volunteer and die fighting for your country but not to fuck.
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 3/31/2005 11:33:41 AM
Since this is an adult forum I started a thread about minimum age in porn. But now that you mention it, of course is 18 much too young to be sent abroad to fight for god and country.
not at all i think this is a post on adult age .you're and adult or not and you're responsible for all you do. there's not an half adult or an adult which is not adult enough for a few things there's only one kind of adult and this one may do porn if he or she want to.
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 3/31/2005 1:51:14 PM
I don't think the question being raised here is whether or not an eighteen year girl has the right to do porn; but whether it is physically and psychologically a good idea for her, especially given the nature of the business itself. And that is probably a purely individual thing, having little to do with anyone's age.
In America today, I suspect more young women are doing porn than voting anyway, sadly.
And yes, many girls lie about their age. Eighteen has become the "fantasy" age for the contemporary porno starlet. And this just reflects consumer demand within the wall-to-wall part of the business. So lately, everyone has become eighteen, even Jessica Darling a year or two ago. Which was pretty funny, considering she started in 1996.
The limit should be no higher than 18. Some 30 year olds won't be ready for porn. If it was 21 now, someone would be saying it should be 25. etc etc etc
Anyone giving a knee jerk reaction to a discussion on raising the age limit for doing porn has got to stop and think twice. After all we do have standards that the public do, in compromise, have as reasonable ages for various activities. Driving around here is 16, drinking is 19, serving the military is 18. Simply giving a boneheaded statement about "well if they can get married, die for their country..." is not reasonable. We also have to take into account that our opinions don't reflect those of society at large and that if they looked into the ramifications of starting a girl too young in porn maybe they would look at raising the age. Frankly, I wouldn't want anyone I know going through a session with Max at 18 anymore than I would want 16 year old soldiers fighting like the Germans did in WWII. (Sorry for the ref Juha). Maybe 18 is a good age, but blindly defending it is, well, dumb just so that we can have our teen fantasy vids.
For the record, I think 21 is a good age. That is if anyone actually gave f*** about these girls.
Why would one think that performers under age 21 would be more likely to regret the decisions that they have made in the porn industry? C'mon! As if 25-yr-old performers have always made the right decisions.
Also, this thread seems to address this age issue towards the female performers. Is this including the males, too?
Are there 19 year old men doing het porn? Or is this a hypothetical
When I was doing my pre-production work I was surprised to find out that at 25 and 26, they are nearly always the youngest men on the videos they've appeared in. Yes there's such a thing as a twink fetish, but on the whole gay smut seems to be more interested in performers who have fully matured dentition.
At any rate, anyone who doesn't acknowledge that the average 19 year old (male or female) is at a substantial disadvantage when involved in an adversarial encounter with the average 39 year old is an idiot.
Gia, with all the respect in the world, and I do mean all the respect, we're talking about the straight outta high school 18 year olds, getting into high pressure situations and making potentially life altering decisions without much life experience. Yes, everyone's makeup is different and yes, people make mistakes but a line has to be drawn somewhere and we're just talking about where that should be. As far as I'm concerned, 21 is a more reasonable age for us to expect a person be able to live with the consequences good or bad when it comes to porn and nothing else.
Have I seen porn with 18, 19 and 20 year olds in it? Yes, but I personally wouldn't miss it if we didn't have them, as last I checked women don't seem to lose a lot btwn 18 and 21. Wouldn't you agree?
If people couldn't be in porn until they're 21. But say a video was made anyway, should the video be illegal? Also teenagers in America/Britain/continetal-Europe/asia are quite different generally.
Could I ask you to specify a little? Do you mean, if a director in the U.S. consciously made a video with underage females should it be illegal or if a foreign director made a vid with 18 year olds, should it be illegal in the U.S. if it were illegal for vids with 18 year olds? I dunno, how would you answer this if you were me, trying just to make a point?
Yes, teenagers in the U.S. Britain, EU and Asia are different but I think we're generally talking about American girls here because you're talking not only about general differences in maturity amongst different regions but about different societal expectations and customs than in N America which I'm not going to say I'm a supreme expert in. I mean, if in the UK, 18 year olds are vastly more mature and society sees nothing wrong with 18 year olds doing porn, whom am I to say 21? Power to the 18 year olds.
I was trying to ask: If there was a law saying that you can't hire anyone aged 18, 19, 20 years old to be in your video (age of consent remaining at 18). This law was made based on concern that someone of those ages cannot understand the implications of doing porn. Should the video be illegal or just the hiring of the person. I wondered because you could have a 20 year old who is married, has kids and has sex all legally. So i could not see how a video of them could be child porn, especially if it were shot by her husband.
In the UK this all has sort of happened but with ages changed from 16 to 18 recently.
AsianP has done a good job articulating my sentiments in his\her first two posts.
I may be in the minority, but my porn enjoyment wouldn't be diminshed in the least if none of the performers were under 21. Sure, I've watched, and beat off to 18-19 year old girls in porn, but I still find it a little troubling to reconcile the idea that someone who at 17 society deems to be not emotionally or psychologically ready to have any kind of sex with me as an adult, (an act for which I could be prosecuted), at the stroke of midnight could all of a sudden be legally allowed to become a pissmop. Or upon the moment she turns 18, could legally submit herself to whatever Max Hardcore can dream up that day.
I just don't think that emotional\psychological leap happens between 17 and 18.
And whatever damage occurs to some of the 18 and 19 years olds that pass through the porn trade, to whatever extent we care about them, would probably be lessend.
As long as 18 is legal, more power to them, but if I'm asked to vote on it...
Hell, there's places where it's not legal to buy or possess porn until 21, but it's still legal to be IN IT at 18. What is that?
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I know more now than I did at that age (I think). Now, I'm more complacent, and very clouded. Thinking back, many of my choice 'decisions' at that young age got me to where I'm at today (that's a good thing). Would I do them at my current age, probably not, and I wouldn't be as successful.
Leave the girls (and their age) alone! Trust me, if they can be manipulative at 13, they know what the hell they're doing at 18. They most likely make a hell of a lot more money than you do too.
21? Why not go for 40. By then they would have finished college, gotten divorced (maybe twice), already put a kid through school and not worry about any more regrets at their current age!
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I understand your point... but when a girl can naturally get pregnant at about let's say 12 and most animals have sex as soon as they are able to, then maybe it's a bit weird to demand an age for emotional readiness that is 150% of the age they become fertile. What about allowing them to fuck you at 15 or 16 and keeping them another two or three years from doing porn?
I have to admit I'm really into young girls. So what? 18 year olds doing the sex acts I prefer will probably have less emotional problems than 30 year olds doing sex acts I hate to see.
I still think they should have porno career day in High School for the 18 year olds. Dancers and Adult performres make a lot more money than those working at Starbucks or Walmart.
In most countries you can choose to join the military at 18, unless your country has mandatory service - in which case you will join the military at 18.
Current events aside, that means that you are subject to the whims of others, warfare being "politics by other means". You get to be posted at the ends of the earth, go through hell, lose limbs, and be scarred mentally for life.
Porn seems to have fewer consequences even with disease.
As a young woman who hasn't exactly made the best decisions in her life, I can certainly understand the concern over young women in porn. I don't have statistics, nor do I believe there is an accurate way to assess how many of these young women actually regret the decision to do porn later on in life, but I would not be surprised if more than half experienced some difficulty coping at a later age with their journey into porn.
That being said, I'm not sure that raising the legal age to perform in the world of porn would have much of an impact on women in general. There will always be those who seek to take a walk on the wild side so to speak and will find their own way to deviate from the so called norm anyway.
Everybody is going to have their own opinion and that's what makes discussions like these interesting, I simply don't think changing the age would do anything at all. A lot can happen between 18 and 21 but that does not necessarily mean that the women will become smarter or more educated, simply more experienced. Porn is not the most respectable or widely accepted of professions, I can concede that, but even I'm not sure that I wouldn't entertain an offer if it made sense and the money was right. And at the end of the day, when all is said and done, that's what it all comes down to. Cash money. It's sad but true, and unfortunately, many people's lives will be ruined by it.
I must repeat IF an 18 YO is not able to understand what doing porn means is not her fault is a SOCIETY fault wich cannot prepare people to face life and living struggles , i was not experienced at that time but i knew exactly what doing porn was at that age.
at 18 you decide in what college you'd like to go or if you won't go to any and a wrong decision may affect your future life not less then deciding to do porn.
Yes some people said we're speaking about american average girls, since I'm european i have to say that with the exception of GB, most countries have no legal age for drinking alchool , or to strip or for anything when you're adult here you're adult and responsible for ALL you even cannot drive under the age of 18. Is a school and parents duty to prepare their daughter to face life .
So it seems very odd to me when i find different legal ages to do different things, In some countrie doing porn does not affect anything some pornstars have bee even elected in national parliaments for example Cicciolina in Italy and Sandy Balestra in Switzerland
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 4/1/2005 1:33:01 AM
"I was trying to ask: If there was a law saying that you can't hire anyone aged 18, 19, 20 years old to be in your video (age of consent remaining at 18). This law was made based on concern that someone of those ages cannot understand the implications of doing porn. Should the video be illegal or just the hiring of the person. I wondered because you could have a 20 year old who is married, has kids and has sex all legally. So i could not see how a video of them could be child porn, especially if it were shot by her husband.
In the UK this all has sort of happened but with ages changed from 16 to 18 recently."
I'm not a lawyer but I think that it would be two seperate legal issues. I think making video's of you and your 18 year old wife would be legal and not child porn so long as you don't try to distribute or sell the material. Where true child porn is illegal to own, distribute or produce, but raising the legal limit to produce porn could be done in a number of ways but who knows for sure. We're talking about just the idea here and not the nitty gritty of implementing such an idea.
Oh please if there is manipulation going on its probably not the chick doing the coercing. BTW yeah MAYBE a porn star does a bit better than me a given year, but is anyone telling these girls what the average career length is for the girls and what their options are when the new crop comes in and takes over?Glad we're entertaining you. Isn't there a line already for this genre? Up the ass at 40, Divorced and with No Regrets. I think Old Angel is selling it.
Both Ginger Lynn and Christy Canyon started their legendary careers when they were in the 18-20 age range. So, we would never have seen them in action if the legal mimimum were 21.
And if you're a Tom Byron fan, well, that was his age bracket when he started.
Traci Lords claimed that she was 22 when she started, so we'd still have had her to deal with.
It might sound heartless, but I don't really care! I don't have that level of emotional engagement with the girls. I'm sure there are some manipulative, exploitative, total bastards in the industry, but what the eye doesn't see the heart doesn't grieve about, and as long as they deliver the end result I want, i.e. making the girls do really unpleasant things for my viewing pleasure, then I'm not going to stay awake at night wondering about the girls' state of mind.
Or to put it another way, when I watch porn maybe this has some detrimental psychological effect to me, but I accept responsibility for that and I don't shrink from the consequences of my actions. The same with these girls - we all need to take personal responsibility for what we do - the buck stops here.
Why? Hope not because some of us disagree with you.
But speaking for the USA what amazes me is that at 18 you can have a gun but not drink a beer, at 18 you're considered adult enough to be sentenced to death because you know EXACTLY what are you doing when killing someone and aware enough of consequencies .
Actually i cannot understand why doing porn needs to be even aged then deciding to shoot people, i think this really affect your life way more than doing porn
there are people which manipulate other persons but this happens to people at every age ,then you have to prohibit boxe or even modeling or making mainstrem movies if this is a reason to raise the age to 21
Aurora Snow was under 21 when she started, Teagan Presley, Lucy Thai, Nyla Thai are all under 21 or where when they started, i guess Taylor Rain too was that young. No one of them seems to regret what they did.
It is possible that someone wasn't aware enough to make this choice but then if someone isn't aware enough at 30 we have to raise the age again?
I think that if we allow our governments to decide this deep into our free choices we are not aware enough of consequencies of this
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 4/1/2005 6:04:45 AM
Andy explained it clearly: "It might sound heartless, but I don't really care! I don't have that level of emotional engagement with the girls"
No, offence, Laurie, but all these comparisons to voting, drinking alcohol etc. sound like really cheap excuses to me. You'll always find a reason for not changing anything to the better.
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