For me these are some of them who often deliver sadistic,degrading,hateful treatment of women in porn movies: -Princess Donna at Kink particularly her Hardcore Gangbang & Public disgrace series -Juan Cuba;some of his series entitled "The Blowjob adventures of Dr. Fellacio" and the very controversial "De Bella's Young Fellas" where granny De Bella is degraded by black fellas in an alley. -Mason of "Mason's Dirty Trixxx"'series -Though I hate his very little dick Max Hardcore falls in this category. -Nacho Vidal is the foremost misogynist star for me. Who are u'r top misogynist producers,directors or porn stars?
^ Can I ask you to reconsider the word "misogynist"? I don't' think any of these individuals have an actual hatred of women. (Off topic: It's actually become anyone that says anything bad about a woman can now be labelled with that term.)
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 7:25AM
@Simple Simon-What can u say if most of the movies they deliver are so?Aren't these visual depictions & actions their real intentions if they recur repeatedly in their movies?
^ Mason aka Sam No is a woman she has no hatred toward women , actually many stars wanted and want still to work with her Princess Donna not only is a woman, but also stars in her movies Edited by - LCF on 10/8/2015 8:34:36 AM
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@LCF-I know both are females but my core criteria of evaluation is their movies.I think u know how they hatefully treat girls in their movies both verbally & all that jazz I've seen Princess Donna spiting,slapping,chocking & verbally degrading female starlets in her lines I mentioned above to the point that it seems natural to her.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 10:31AM
^Insofar as Princess Donna is concerned, I think that you may not understand the concepts of BDSM, femdom, and roleplay. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/8/2015 10:31:47 AM
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@misspornUSA-U may argue "it is all fantasties & acting..." but u need to read between the lines that's where the devil lies given her passion,intensity,lust,tone of voice,intent and so on.I forgot her tweet which confirms this months before.
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@misspornUSA-U may argue "it is all fantasties & acting..." but u need to read between the lines that's where the devil lies given her passion,intensity,lust,tone of voice,intent and so on.I forgot her tweet which confirms this months before.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 11:47AM
^^Princess' "passion,intensity,lust,tone of voice,intent and so on" are certainly not pretend, but I'm not sure that you understand the context in which all of that passion and intensity is taking place. Some of the videos at this website may be helpful to you. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/8/2015 11:48:30 AM
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 12:38PM
@Coming Soon-No,I don't.I only singled out Princess Donna from Kink as I've been closely observing her acts ,inner psyche & intent for years. @misspornUSA-Tnx for u'r info but just be informed that I still don't put Princess in the same basket given the contexts.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 12:59PM
If you haven't seen them already, the documentaries "Public Sex, Private Lives" (directed by Simone Jude) and "Kink" (directed by Christina Voros) might also interest you.I'm not really sure what basket you're talking about, but I don't think I'm going to get anywhere here so I'll leave it alone.
This is a bizarre thread. Like missporn, I think the OP really doesn't understand genre or the terminology he is using. I have never seen a Mason or Sam No movie where I found her depiction or treatment of women to be hateful or misogynistic. Quite the contrary, actually.
^ I agree, although I take issue with anyone who dismisses claims of misogyny by saying something to the effect of, "But she's a woman, therefore she can't be a misogynist." You don't have to be a man to hate women. Phyllis Schlafly is a woman and I wouldn't hesitate to call her a misogynist. But yeah, the evidence doesn't support that at all in the case of Mason. I think OP might just be confused on his terms.
No one hates women more than other women - they say blokes are competitive but chicks take it to another level. Incidentally, what's with the misogyny threads all of a sudden? First the 'porn that degrades females' thread, now this?
Despite the OP's ineffective communication of their point, can no one really think of people in the industry who are Misogynist, or do we really believe none exist?
Ugh, me too. The idea that people escape societal influence just because of gender/sex/race/etc is absurd. I have met my fair share of female misogynists and racists of colour.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 3:45PM
The idea of the thread is legit. The industry is offensive to a lot of people now. If it is not the treatment of women it is the sex acts, no minorities, it is like a race to the bottom and there is no turning back now.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 4:01PM
@Mister Fahrenheit ,@misspornUSA,@Aya & @Gore Gore girl-Tnx so much for u'r awesome elaboration on female misogynists. Regarding Mason,first refer to the definition of the term "misogyny"-a hateful tendency towards women.Have u realy watched Mason's Dirty Trixxx episodes?Especially the scenes of Alexandra Quinn,Asheley Moore,Bella Maria Wolf & Mandy Bright...Listen carefully to her hateful verbal abuses & how her thirst for the degradation of these sluts quenches while the male actors roughly & brutally treat them.She even orders the males telling ways of humiliation like "spit on this 20 dollar cheap trash whore","Slap this useless slut hard"...Besides,she spits on them repeatedly while insulting them harshly behind the camera.Observe her tone,passion & satisfaction from that & their mistreatments too.Couldn't u understand the meaning of a milk unless u are told it's white?
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 4:23PM
You're complaining about misogyny while referring to the victims as "sluts". logic fail. They're acting. It's not real. They don't ACTUALLY hate each other.
You have a double standard then. I'm assuming he meant one of those sites where men are tied up and take a strapon in the ass while being called a litte bitch or whatever. If that's not misandrist to you while scenes with Princess Donna are mysoginistic to you then that is what's sexist.
In regard to Mason's early work, the idea that the women who performed in those scenes possessed sexual agency and might actually have been expressing their own desires in those scenes hasn't occurred to OP. Human sexuality is an incredibly complex and multifaceted thing. Lots of women find it exhilarating be dominated and degraded. It doesn't mean they suffer from some kind of internalized self-hatred of themselves or all women. Women can be into stuff just as nasty and rough as us guys.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 5:40PM
@Mister Fahrenheit-Logic accepted;I can't agree more.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 5:47PM
@Foobachi-I'm not complaining about misogyny;I'm just reflecting on the trend.Besides,what would u call a girl who presents her body for degrading sex on camera for money?
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 5:51PM
@Gore Gore girl-Exactly!I should have mentioned Khan Tusion in my list.His Meatholes series truly fits that category.
They're merely catering to the fantasies of men of a certain mindset - not too difficult to understand, I don't think.And that provides all the justification I need not to feel bad about jerking off to it - thanks man.
This is sort of like saying a Hollywood star is in a lot of action movies so they must like violence. They are selling to a market, most of it is not my thing but what I find more of a problem is the women who do such scenes and then have a problem with the content a prime example being the Max Hardcore case, surely before turning up at Max doorstop they would have watch at least one of his scenes or spoken to someone about them.
OK, interesting. I think people assumed you were complaining about misogyny in porn because the word "misogyny" usually carries a negative connotation. To avoid confusion in the future you might want to use the term "rough" instead. You'll get your meaning across and people won't think you're passing an ethical judgement on the content.
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Posted - Oct 8 2015 : 10:58PM
@NOOdlesDaddy & @gruntler-I don't think it is all about fantasies,acting & marketing.I occasionally observe deliberate & passionate hate mongering towards the females in subtle ways.
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I wish I recalled the French,Portuguese & Hungarian titles of some movies in Europe & Brazil with English subtitles that clearly verify my claim.
If there's one thing that they actually get right in "Hot Girls Wanted", it's about how much this isn't actually the case. Especially when you get to the lesser agencies, they'll send women on jobs where they don't tell them exactly what's going down, and because the women trust their agents they don't actually think to look at the type of content that producer usually puts out.
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 3:12AM
The title of the thread makes it difficult to decide who to discuss. I think the clearest misogynist in porn ever was Max Hardcore. Howard Hampton said he seemed to take Andrea Dworkin's writing on pornography as his instruction manual.
LOL, they send you to do a scene for a guy who calls himself 'Max Hardcore' and that doesn't set alarm bells ringing? Hey, I wonder what a collaboration between Max and Khan Tusion would look like? I'd pull up a chair for that one.
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 5:02AM
@Blacksix-An awesome perspective indeed regarding Max Hardcore's deviation to that category.In the same manner,I wish I knew the causes or inspirations to the likes of Khan Tusion,Juan Cuba,Nacho Vidal,Brandon Iron & the guys at Facial Abuse,Latina Abuse,Ghetto Gaggers,Extreme Associates...
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 8:11AM
Ok the guys at Fa GG only lambast the girls for their descent into being "whores". Their is no implied general aversion to the female population and therefore does not equate to misogeny. A contempt of "whores" and a clearly acted comedy style contempt at that does not equate to misogeny in the same way that a hatred of nfa footballers does not equate to misandry. Its just too convenient to label certain porn misogenist while the remainder of porn with all the anal and dp ect with the male repetitely asking the female performer " does that feel good bitch" is fine , no problems. Its all too convenient - no-one can see into the minds of performers/directors and pinpoint their motivations. Was Max Hardcore a misogenist ? Is he on record as confirming it ? Idk but he did live with a number of his co stars (like catalina) that suggests that however demented he may have manifested on screen he coudnt have been all bad nor likely hated all women. edit. And Brandon Irons always exibits such great fondness for his female stars i would never think Brandon Irons a Misogenist - more a great lover of women. Edited by - ben mockridge on 10/9/2015 8:14:46 AM
I wonder if use of the word 'misogony' is maybe deflecting this discussion from a more useful debate about the effect, if any, of 'violent' porn in general. I understand that the actors and actresses in the more aggressive bondage and sm sex scenes are fully consenting and accepting of what they are doing (although I remember a documentary I saw ages ago about a British actress trying to break into the American studios who claims that her audition for MaxHardcore left her crying and disillusioned when suddenly and without warning he forcibly committed deep throat on her after she expressly said she didn't want him to - no libel actions please, I merely repeat what I heard). But I'm also reminded of growing studies on the effect of aggressive porn on teenage sexual development. There is tons of material out there - two links below give conflicting views. Interestingly, my local news recently included the case of a 16 year old boy charged with assault after he slapped and spat on his new girlfriend during their first sexual activities - his defence was to the effect that he saw it happen all the time on porn sites and assumed that all girls liked it. In my day, we learnt about sex from parents or sexual education classes at school and our experimentation followed from that; nowaday, kids are learning about sex from the internet and the reasearch reflects on whether some boys are led innocently to believe that girls expect them to slap, spit, pull their hair, ejaculate on their face etc. I'm not on a soap box preaching against aggressive porn. I watch some of this material myself and enjoy some of it. I'm just throwing it out there for further comment if anyone wants to. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3106807/Teenage-girls-subjected-shocking-injuries-rough-sex-boyfriends-influenced-violent-porn.html http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/porns-negative-effect-on-teen-sexuality-exaggerated-study-says/article11529971/
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 11:46AM
^^You're basically saying that it's bad for minors to watch something that it is illegal for them to watch. Yes, teens watching porn illegally and receiving a warped "education" from it is a problem and I've brought it up a couple times in the past, but we should be careful to not blame the industry for the failure of parents and others to properly educate the young people in their midst about sex.
^ It must be incredibly difficult to police what your kids/teenagers see in this day and age. You can have all the porn filters in the world on your home devices but you don't know what they're watching round at friends' houses or elsewhere. It seems kids' exposure to pornography is an absolute inevitability in the Internet age and is a very real worry. I honestly don't know what the solution is, other than to educate them from as early an age as would seem appropriate for the stage of mental and emotional development they're at. Sorry, I realise this is drifting from the topic. Normal service will be resumed. Edited by - N00dlesDaddy on 10/9/2015 12:59:19 PM
here are a few of my favorites (granted not all of their stuff is presented this way): - Max Hardcore (all of his work!) - Brandon Iron (Slap Happy) - Steve Sweet (Sweetmembers) - Duke Skywalker (Facial Abuse Network) - Rocco Siffredi - Nacho Vidal - Coffee Ron - Peter Enis - Khan Tusion (Meatholes, Altered Assholes, etc.) - Jamie Ellis - Pierre Woodman - Rob Black / Lizzy Borden (Extreme Associates) - Brent Scott (Insex) + Intersec Suite (Infernal Restraints, Real Time Bondage, Sexually Broken, etc.) - John Thompson (GGG, 666, Sexbox) - Experiment Ausgeliefert + Avante Garde Extreme (from Subway Innovative Productions) - Tohjiro (Dogma, Tohjiro's Gate, DDT and NTJ series) - that pirate guy with long hair, beard, and a du-rag or bandana that I cant ever remember the name of... - Young Throats - Toyohiko Project (BXDR, AVOP, KYKS series) - Kink.com (Princess Donna / Hardcore Gangbang / Bound Gangbangs / Public Disgrace) - Scrum / Paingate - DragonImage.jp - ElitePain - Quirky Way - Long Dozen - RGE Films / Lupus Pictures - Simon Benson (of Benson Media): The Pain Files / Shadow Slaves / Pet Girls - Pain Toy - Queensnake - Assylum - PainHorny - Kinky Core - Slave Farm - Piss Whore Training - Bio Hazard Bitches - Tough Love - Tamed Teens - Lovingly Handmade Pornography plus so many more! Edited by - WhoreAbuser on 10/9/2015 2:48:44 PM Edited by - WhoreAbuser on 10/9/2015 3:41:35 PM Edited by - WhoreAbuser on 10/9/2015 3:51:05 PM
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 4:45PM
@Ben Mockridge-Tnx for u'r insightful elaboration but I disagree with some of u'r points.If my memory helps me right Max Hardcore went to jail on accounts of obscenity & misogyny,according to the periodical publications of that time.As to Brandon Iron,most of what he had been dishing out was extremely rough & degrading.I'm not sure if his website www.loadmymouth.com is still active but I saw so much shocking deepthroat scenes there.I never forget the uncut & unedited version of his tough throat humiliation of the now retired milf star Debbi Diamond after a longer tease.I was lucky to watch that scene as he updated the edited one sooner.I wish I knew how much he paid for Debi for such extreme mistreatment.
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Posted - Oct 9 2015 : 4:51PM
@cormac-A very insightful & informative opinion indeed!
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@Whore Abuser-An awesome list indeed though I've never come across some of then.I've been watching Pierre Woodman for a decade.I think he would have been imprisoned had he been in the US.For me,he is one of the foremost misogynosts in the porn world.I also wathed thr guys at Biohazard Bitches-way too rough & degrading as u said especially the swirlie stuff.I used to follow every update at www.whoreabuse.com several years back.
you can see someone's inner psyche from a porn video. holy shit, that's some real skill.
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Posted - Oct 10 2015 : 4:57AM
@yourmomma-I didn't say so.I can just understand intentions,psyches or inclinations nicely through years of experience.You are misquoting & misinterpreting my words.
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Posted - Oct 10 2015 : 5:40AM
Max was prosecuted for obsenity - not misogyny. The FBi were tasked with going on a witch hunt and Max was the target (victim).
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