I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:16AM
It's clear that Bangbros' vision for MOC changed and it is not just a coincidence that they've been consistently, only shooting BM/WF scenes for the site for years. Whether they were wrong or right to make that change is another matter and one that be reasonably debated.
I was going to step in here but misspornUSA seems to be doing a fine job. I only wanted to remind research1 to please lay off the insulting language and keep the discussion friendly, as per the ADT forum etiquette - "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond." Thank you.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:23AM
What kind of point are you trying to make. There are several tags on MoC videos.
Edited by - research1 on 8/5/2015 1:29:42 AM
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:29AM
Only shooting BM/WF scenes for years? There are plenty latinas in there as well as an Indian girl and a few Asians. In fact, the most recent scene has an Asian-American woman. Before that there's a scene including JMac. If we're going to call it visions, looks like MoC has changed their vision again. If we're going to be genteel, you might want to address Jezebel Vessir and Anya Ivy. Both have IR set in their profile, yet Jezebel has only appeared with a Black man as a cuckold. She actually has intercourse with a non-Black man. Anya Ivy has done scenes with White and Latino men. She hasn't done one scene with a fully Black dude yet.
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:34AM
Well since that was clearly the point he was trying to make in his original post in this thread, then why not just have a reasonable debate about it, instead of dancing around in the typical semantic circles?
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:35AM
Just to let everyone know, they used Preston Parker and Steve in multiple scenes, so there is a precedent set for WM performers. We don't even need to get into Ramon and how he made that site famous as a Latino dude. Just to put myself on record for JordanB, I want to see more White, Latino, Asian etc. dudes get multiple scenes on MoC. Restoring the site to it's former glory by having MoC of multiple races and ethnicities is a winning strategy. Edited by - research1 on 8/5/2015 1:38:51 AM
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:42AM
If a Latina shoots a scene with a black man, it is considered "IR" by the industry. If a Latina shoots a scene with a white man, it is not regarded as an "IR" scene by the industry. If an Asian pornstar shoots a scene with a black man, it is considered "IR" by the industry. If an Asian pornstar shoots a scene with a white man, it is not regarded as an "IR" scene by the industry. Now, tell me, when an Indian pornstars shoots with a white man, is that scene regarded as IR by the industry? What about if she shoots with a black man?
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:52AM
The point I've made is that Bangbros tags scenes as "interracial" or not based on the system I described on the previous page, and not as you would like them to. I did not make that decision for them and neither did any "whining" pornstars.
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:58AM
Latina? That's nonsense I've seen Latinas and Whites listed as interracial. Ariana Love and Jasmine Byrne come to mind as chicks. Evelyn Lin had scenes with Mark Ashley billed as interracial. So did some of the other Asian girls.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:01AM
So in your opinion those scenes should still count as "IR", yet...So we're back to IR being what the industry defines it as?
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:07AM
http://new.bangbros.com/videos/mcjemeni_48961.htm Wrong. What does it say right there at the bottom of the tags? It's tagged as interracial. That was the very first scene I saw with Preston. Heck, there are scenes with White guys and Asian or Eurasian chicks tagged as interracial. I'm sorry, but that meme doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:08AM
No, we're not. If you can't comprehend your own argument, best to stop posting.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:12AM
Wouldn't all of Evelyn's scenes have been marked as IR if the industry consensus was that scenes between Asian women and white men are "IR"? Were all or most of Jasmine's scenes that were not with Hispanics categorized and marketed as IR? If you're speaking about Aliana Love (not Ariana), the same question I asked about Jasmine is applicable. Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/5/2015 2:13:22 AM
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:15AM
I wrote on the previous page: "I am fully aware that "WM"/BF (and WF/BF) is also marketed as IR. " Then, on the same page, I quoted that statement again.
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:17AM
Going by your meme...wouldn't NONE of Evelyn's scenes be marked as IR if the industry consensus was that scenes between Asian women and White men are IR? The same goes for Jasmine And Aliana Love... As for Asian girls, there were no Asian-American men to speak of in porn until very, very recently. They were lumped in with White girls and or Latinas.
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:28AM
^It wasn't obvious to you that when I spoke of MOC as an IR site I was referring to the fact that it has consistently shot BM/WF scenes for years?
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Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 2:38AM
They consistently shot scenes featuring predominantly NON-BM over the years prior to that. MoC was built on Ramon. Now MoC is fading. Time to take the site back to its INCLUSIVE glory beginning. There is no merit to keeping it a BM only site. It didn't start out as BM only, its biggest star was not a BM and its not doing very well as a BM only site. Race isn't even implied in the title of the website. Hopefully JordanB sees this and doesn't make the JMac seen a one and done. They need to bring back Preston and bring in some quality Latino and Asian guys to round things out.
I think it's important to explain something here. Fans don't "Sell" anything. They buy. IR has a specific definition in the industry because it sells. If it didn't sell so well to deserve the label it has gotten, then this label wouldn't exist. But it's not a way of disparaging the type of sex you see in it. No one is labeling it so that they can disrespect white women with black men. The label makes it easier for consumers to find what they want. It's really simple. Just like there's Asian and Latina categories when you're shopping on sites like Xrent. But why doesn't IR also apply to other racial combinations? That's been the question, one which social justice warriors assume is about a racist industry that wants to somehow discourage something. Yeah, somehow discourage something by making it special, giving it a label that helps promote it even better. Already we're at a contradiction. The answer for why it doesn't apply to other combinations is quite simple: they don't sell anymore, not nearly as well as they used to. Industry insiders have been asked and revealed that Black+Latina in particular doesn't sell. And I'm bummed about that as well, also Black+Asian. I think the bottom line is, BM+WF is the chief dynamic driving IR as a genre. It's everywhere on the charts. I could post countless examples. I have no doubt racism exists in the industry. But they don't mean the industry is racist by and large. I think the vast majority is just trying to give consumers what they want, and for most companies that includes IR. There's a few big companies that feature little to no IR, but that's their business. I think the majority, if not the vast majority will feature some all-IR movies as their audiences demand it. Different brands are popular among different fans. Just always remember fans are selling these ideas. They are buying them. And that includes white women and black men who also prefer seeing this type of porn. The label helps them find what they like. I dont know anyone in the industry, but from almost all the interviews I've heard or read, most people are quite tolerant. And why should that surprise anyone? These are typically very liberal people. There may be many within the ranks who are conservative when it comes to government, but when it comes to art and socialization, very liberal and open-minded. But that's a tangent for another topic. Edited by - Melvyn on 8/17/2015 1:04:01 PM
Why are you picking on MOC? All the other Bangbros sites give you what you want but because MOC is "different", you are on another crusade. Maybe you should complain that Jordan doesn't use enough quality performers in the other 10-15 Bangbros sites. You are saying that Ass Parade, Mr. Anal, PAWG, Public Bang, Big Tits Round Asses dont use well-endowed white guys?
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Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 1:29AM
I'm picking at MoC because they are picking at it. BangBros features a lot more BM/XF scenes than the others like RK, Teamskeet, NaughtyAmerica etc. Why am I concerned with MoC going back to it's diverse roots? Because BangBros: 1) Dresses the women better 2) Does better hair and makeup 3) Does a lot more scenes outside and in natural light which looks better IMO. They also don't have as many fake tits, ass, lips women as other sites. I like natural girls best. I see an "in" at MoC because it wasn't originally only one race of dudes being casted. So I took that "in." I don't like Adriano or whoever shoots the anal stuff. I happen to like the more straight forward fucking that MoC became known for than the gimmick setups and POV.
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Posted - Aug 18 2015 : 4:54PM
There's less well-endowed white guys on the BangBros website than black. If you look at the black guys who are mostly on the MOC website and a few others on Bang Bros, the "big dick" type of porno. They have used Jack Napier, Ice Cold, Lexington Steele, Mandingo, Moe Johnson, Isiah Maxwell, Flash Brown, Sean Michaels, Rico Strong, Wesley Pipes, Rob Piper, Charlie Macc, Jovan Jordan, Boz, Richard Mann, Shane Diesel etc. Which white or Latina men does Bang Bros use who are in that size vein? They have had Criss Strokes (Strokes has appeared in joint-scenes with Sean Michaels, Moe Johnson and Rob Piper and he was the same/similar length as all of them). J-Mac was featured in a scene with Charlie Macc and was nearly his size, and Bang Bros also use Sean Lawless who is big. Also Bruce Venture, Nick Moreno, Alberto Blanco and Preston Parker (no longer active). The occasional Nacho Vidal. Ramon (mixed hispanic) did early scenes and was the same size as many of the black guys but he's no longer on the website. Basically that is it. It is definitely a case of bang bros signing up less big dick non-black guys. Of course there are a lot of average sized guys like Ryan Mclane, Daniel Hunter, David Loso on the website or small like Dane Cross, Derrick Pierce or Jake Taylor, but I doubt many people are interested in these scenes. The scenes with the big dicks get the most views and it is a case of black males dominating the MOC website over the years with less big dick white or Latina guys employed on the site.
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Posted - Sep 8 2015 : 1:34PM
So no MOC last week and today no update either!!...yet "Brownbunnies" gets updated weekly without fail (smh). I warned people before about the patterns Florida companies have had with IR from Brazzers to ScoreHD..and this looks like just another example of a Florida company steadily neglecting IR while still happily shooting wm/bf scenes daily.
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Posted - Sep 8 2015 : 1:46PM
^Why this trend in Florida?
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Posted - Sep 8 2015 : 2:51PM
I don't know. But evidently companies over there prioritise White and Latino males and in most cases Black male talent gets put to the side. Brazzers, ScoreHD and Plumperpass have all done the same thing. They all started off using Black males regularly and then slowly but surely they either cut them off completely (Brazzers and Scorehd) or use Black males way less compared to their White and Latin counterparts (Plumperpass). That's why Black females in Florida pretty much exclusively shoot with Latin and White males because a lot of the companies simply don't book Black male talent. And now we're seeing early signs that Bangbros might be heading the same way and if they do then it would merely personify how Florida companies are treating Black males in the current climate.
Honestly, Bangbros is still the only paysite that regularly shoots black guys. I hope they dont stop. Brazzers only does it if the girls request it otherwise it is Kieran or Danny D. Reality Kings subletted all their black male scenes to Blacked(Lansky) which is a semi-premium site. Naughty America is almost as scarce as Brazzers. Mofos used to be a grade A spot for IR content. Babes, however, has been on a recent uptick but that is glam erotica porn. I need some nasty hardcore too which is what I depend on BB for.
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Posted - Sep 26 2015 : 1:48AM
No MOC again this week. And the last IR was ten days ago!!....but you can bet your house that they'll have a "brown bunnies" scene tomorrow without fail
Posted - Aug 5 2015 : 1:07AM
