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Posted - Aug 3 2010 : 2:43AM
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Posted - Aug 3 2010 : 3:33AM
Found this on MikeSouth.com: [url=7353]<br"He (HIrsh) paid 25,000 dollars for the Montana Fishburne tape and intended to pitch it as the usual celebrity sex tape. When news of it leaked out here on mikesouth.com, the entertainment media had a bit of a feeding frenzy and Hirsch changed his tactics. This time there wouldn't be any lawsuits and the whole leaked sex tape angle, which is what Montana had signed up for. This time he decided to spin it that it was like the Kim Kardashian tape and Montana thought it would make her famous in the same way that Kims tape made her famous. Hirsch's reasoning on this is that it might attract more celebs to his company.
So, now Vivid may release their Montana sexvid today in order to beat the other company that has a "Chippie D" porno. And little Montana is saying she's going to contact Daddy Laurence to reconcile. Maybe she is the next Kim Kardashian. She got the Reality Soap Opera life down.
Just seen the pictures of that movie and it looks pretty hot. Great body!
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Posted - Aug 3 2010 : 12:10PM
Huh??? I'm an educated individual and I have no idea what your point is in reference to my comments to porn being shameful to a family outside of this site other than your middle paragraph where you are okay with parents managing their kids porn careers. On this point, two questions for you: 1. Do you know what a parent would be called "managing" their adult child's sex career without it being a commercial release? 2. Do you have any adult or soon to be adult children and how soon can we expect you to be managing their porn careers? I'll answer for you; 1. Pimp and/or Felon. 2. Probably not, so it would be kind of rude of you to be preaching your; "I don't have kids, but I think you have a problem and are an asshole/prude because you don't want your daughter to do porn so I can jerk off to her" attitude. Side note: Why are you using a reference such as this in a porn discussion? "At one time in our History, you would have been EQUALLY ashamed of a daughter who was a stage actress or, for that matter, was almost ANYTHING besides a teacher or home minding the kids. Circumstances changed that, and it's past time for them to change this. But you assholes just go ahead and let your ancestors continue to do your thinking for you, and you can't even see what hypocrites you make of yourselves." How was this remotely relevant to the latest release of Jerk Off Material?
If she doesn't have implants, then yay. She might eventually be in something I might watch. In a porn context, "fishburn" sounds like something a woman would rather not have.
The points I was making is (A) It's not so crazy for someone to think a sex tape can be a gateway to popularity and financial success because it's happened with Kim and Paris. I personally don't see that happening with Montana but I can see where she might figure it could work for her. (B) Many people try to downplay what Kim has accomplished because they don't deem it worthy but she actually has accomplished a lot. And of course she cashed in and capitalize her tape. What should she have done? Run away and hide? It's what people do. They try and capitalize on what life throws at them and try to keep it going as long as they can.
[/quote] The points I was making is (A) It's not so crazy for someone to think a sex tape can be a gateway to popularity and financial success because it's happened with Kim and Paris. I personally don't see that happening with Montana but I can see where she might figure it could work for her. (B) Many people try to downplay what Kim has accomplished because they don't deem it worthy but she actually has accomplished a lot. And of course she cashed in and capitalize her tape. What should she have done? Run away and hide? It's what people do. They try and capitalize on what life throws at them and try to keep it going as long as they can. [/quote] I can't speak for the mental state of someone that thinks a sex tape is a gateway to being popular because I'm not a psychiatrist. I agree that it can make you very popular but that's usually to porn fans and not middle America. The other very important thing that any good sex tape needs is denial, shock, saddeness and a sense of betrayal. All the prior sex tape had that going for them so the performer can get sympathy. Montana did not learn her lesson very well since she has not done any of these things. You seem to follow Kim's career pretty well so maybe you can tell me what great accomplishmewnt she has made other than her reality TV show? The only thing I know about Kim and her family is what I read on celebrity sites and forums. I don't want to sound mean but life didn't throw Kim a sex tape and ask her to cope with this hardship. She got naked, fucked a guy on camera and after all was said and done did not ask him for the tape. We aren't talking about a naive 18yrs old but a 27yrs old divorced woman. You can't tell me that she thought the tape would never come out? Whether she was in on it from the beginning or not is irrelevant because she has used that tape to make more money than she was ever likely to make. Good for her because I think her 15 minutes of fame are coming to a close.
I'm not saying what Montana is doing will work for her the way she wants it. I've said more than once here I don't think it's going to work. I have no idea what "middle America" will or won't accept. Again, a sex tape certainly helped jumpstart/boost Paris' and Kim's careers. If "middle America" didn't like what they did it didn't seem to hurt them much.Actually I don't follow Kim's career. I think she's hot. I watch her reality show. Otherwise, she's popular and all over the place. I'm abreast on what's happening in entertainment and she's mentioned a lot. I've named some of Kim's accomplishments in my other thread. I don't care if you think they're "great" or not. The girl is popular, has many fans, pulls down millions a year and seems healthy and happy. Those may not be worthy accomplishments to you but there are thousands of people trying forthe same thing and can't pull it off.I have no idea why she shot a sex tape or if she planned for it to come out. If she didn't plan for it she was lucky and made the best of a bad situation. If she planned for it to come out she was smart and lucky enough to make it work very well in her favor. In any case, she was able to do what many other people haven't been able to do with their sex tapes...make an actual thriving career from it. As I said she capitalized on what was thrown her because it could've been like so many others who came out with sex tapes that took their careers absolutely nowhere. Don't know why you think her "15 minutes" are coming to a close because you claim to know little about her. First off that "15 minutes" has lasted years and she's more known and successful now than ever. The 4th season of her show starts next month, she's still very much in demand for appearances, she on more magazine covers than ever, her fanbase gets larger each year, and her endorsement deals are still intact. Even if that all went away next week, she still made millions and is set for life and enjoyed a life millions of people would love to have experienced. Like I said it's fine to not get it or hate her but I don't get trying to trying to downplay her accomplishments and dismiss her fame because you don't feel she did the right things to earn it. Edited by - draxxx on 8/4/2010 6:36:33 AM
I don't watch Kim Kardashian's type of reality show. What is the substance? She does a lot of modeling. I watched Project Runway, which has models, but a show about modeling would bore the crap out of me.
Hey Draxxx, Rosco and everybody. When we say someone is attractive or unattractive, it is for sure purely subjective. One man's standard of beauty is another man's ugly, and so forth. There is a lot of hype and attention getting, so I guess young Montana is already clearing hurdle-.1 , she's 19 and Laurence & his ex-wife should've already instilled in this girl right-from-wrong whatever that is. Perhaps this one flick is all that she plans to do though others have already indicated she's done other scenes. Yes I find her attractive. She's more attractive than Kendra IMHO. Kendra is famous for being one of three women who were 'wives' of Hugh Hefner. She did sex scenes with a boyfriend before getting involved with Hefner and now the boyfriend has marketed the video he shot with her. Time will tell if the release of the XXX footage of Kendra is a "+" or "-". So I think we should sit back and at least give this young lady Montana a chance. To be honest I only learned of Montana while perusing Brian Pumper's Wikipedia entry and found this in the citations: NY Daily News
As I read through the rest of this thread let's be clear about Kim. She was famous aND popular before that tape with RayJ came out. She was 1. a Kardashian whose father famously played a role in the OJ Simpson case, 2. she was known as one of Paris Hilton's best friends even after Paris's sex tape burst onto the scene, 3. Kim was well known amongst men and male oriented topics on the net for her, you guessed it!, big booty.(Her sister Kourtney is no slouch in the ass department) The sex tape and the current tv show came later.
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Posted - Aug 4 2010 : 11:24AM
In her case, it's not about her knowing right from wrong. She plainly has daddy issues.
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Posted - Aug 4 2010 : 12:33PM
I would have to agree. And I find it odd that she thought porn was her ticket to mainstream stardom. One could argue that Paris Hilton and the Kardashians benefitted from porn-related infamy...but that's not a winning formula by any stretch. Paris is a dipshit who's more famous for being a trainwreck than for anything else. The Kardashians, at least, did open their Dash clothing store, and their mom had enough sense to build a pretty successful reality TV franchise around them. But again, it wasn't entirely the sex tape by Kim that spawned all of that. She and her siblings were the daughters of Rob Kardashian, and then the stepdaughters of Bruce Jenner. They had their own money and opportunities before the tape went public. I really don't see them as being in the same catagory as Paris or Montana. And Lawrence? Mr. Fishburne is the last guy that I want to piss off. Imagine coming home to a dark house. As you flip on the lights in the living room, you notice Lawrence Fishburne sitting like a statue in his lounge chair. In a gravelly baritone that would crack the plaster on the walls, he speaks... "Montana...is there something you'd like to tell me?" OMFG...I wouldn't even want to be a fly on the wall. Edited by - GODFATHER on 8/5/2010 6:32:00 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 10:14AM
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 10:59AM
I think most of us would hope that our children would have higher goals then being a porn star. Such as a successful lawyer, doctor, teacher, social worker etc. I think that we don't want to have our children "settle" for something. A child becomming a porn star, from this parent's POV, is about "settling". Porn stars have a repetitively short career with little real income. I know some make it to higher levels of success, where they have some control over their business affairs. But this is rare. I don't think most of the girls, who try this are doing so for "healthy" reasons.
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 12:53PM
You're right I have no idea what your point is because you didn't make one, it's all blah blah blah. As far as you supporting your niece's career, until such time as you put out a press release touting your management of your niece, I'm calling "Bullsit." When you tell me to think for myself and not follow any sort of status quo, you really need to learn to read, then go back and read my posts. Oh yeah, History dating back to sterotypical gender roles in the 50's, slavery, the British, and the Revolutionary War, are not remotely relevant to today's celebrity porn.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 1:38PM
I never expected you to believe me; far less to change your view. I have read many of your posts, and, of course, agreed with some as I have disagreed with others. So? In this case, all you have shown is your own bias, your own ego and conceit, and the refusal to admit that anybody can reasonably think differently than you do, all of which makes you a very ordinary human being. If you would bother to read a few of my own posts, you would see that I have been very consistent in voicing the views I did here. You presume to answer your questions of me for me, as above, and to know better what I would do than I do, etc. What would YOU think of anyone who did that to you? Possibly that they think it is an easy way to avoid logically defending their prejudices by, as any bully would do, substituting bluster and insult for reason. As I say, an ordinary human being.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 1:48PM
I think there can be "healthy reasons" for doing porn, in the sense that girls do not need to be "damaged" in some way to become porn actresses. Whether most of them are I have no idea, though I expect not. The rest of what you say I certainly agree with, for that is the reality of present day prevailing attitudes. My argument is simply that I find that attitude, archaic, unreasonable, hypocritical, and in need of change. It is particularly so, as I said, in the case of porn fans that demean and belittle these girls with one breath and praise their efforts with the next.
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 3:11PM
I WANT TO SEE HER IN A GAPEMAN MOVIE !
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Posted - Aug 5 2010 : 9:10PM
I guess there might be healthy reasons for a girl to choose pornography, but I would be hard pressed to think of any, other then for short term financial reasons. Sasha Grey might be an example, but is porn avenue she could have taken? Kayden Kross is another. She is using porn to further her education. But I think that these ladies are in the minority.
[[/quote] I think there can be "healthy reasons" for doing porn, in the sense that girls do not need to be "damaged" in some way to become porn actresses. Whether most of them are I have no idea, though I expect not. [/quote] I can't think of one single healthy reason for doing porn. I can understand doing it for quick cash and a certain recognition but I would not ascribe healthy with either of these reasons. If you could give me at least one possible healthy reason then I might better understand what you are trying to say.
I think the best formula for becoming famous by sex tape is... (A) You have to have had a bit of fame or people know who you are before the tape comes out. Girls like Paris, Kim and Amy Fisher were all known to varying degrees before their tapes came out. The public has to know you somewhat to even care that your tape is coming out. No one cares about a sex tape starring a complete stranger. (B) It helps if the person claims they didn't want the tape released. Most people claim they didn't want to have their sex tape released to the public and I think in some cases that was true. Either way, by claiming they didn't want it released and they're fighting to keep it from being out there adds to the drama and keeps the person's name out there a bit longer. Plus it keeps the person from looking like they did it because they're desperate for attention. Lastly, it adds to the excitement that here's this film that no one was supposed to see. When the tape is done with the intention of purposely being seen it makes for a better sex tape overall but it lacks that element of we're seeing something that we aren't supposed to. It also brings up viewer expectations and critiques. People are less forgiving if it was done on purpose and doesn't turn well technically or the stars don't have much heat or star power on camera. (C) What does the girl have to offer after the tape is made public. So the girl got all that attention on her about the tape...so now what does she have to offer to keep our attention? Kim and Paris were able to keep people's attention. I think Amy Fisher might've been able to but most people are too disgusted with her background to put a positive spin on things. Shauna Sands seems to suffer from not having much to offer and no one even caring. Chyna wasn't smart or pretty enough to make anything happen after her sex tape. I tend to think Montana is going to be one of those girls who'll be forgotten fairly quickly and will end up being just a footnote to Larry's career. Why? Because most people had no idea she existed before the announcement of this tape. People don't really seem interested in this for the right reasons that will help her career. The correct reaction should be "WOW! Montana has a sex tape out there? Man, I want to see that!". Instead she's getting..."Poor Larry, that's messed up his daughter wants attention that badly". and "What's wrong with her that she wants attention so bad she'll do porn?". Those aren't the type of reactions that push a person into stardom. Plus she really doesn't seem interesting enough in a good or bad way to keep people's interest up after the tape is released. Her looks aren't so great or unique to make people want to se more of her afterwards either. Not saying she isn't pretty, but there's nothing special enough to make her stand out. My two cents and I could be wrong.
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Posted - Aug 6 2010 : 9:12AM
I think there can be "healthy reasons" for doing porn, in the sense that girls do not need to be "damaged" in some way to become porn actresses. Whether most of them are I have no idea, though I expect not.
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I can't think of one single healthy reason for doing porn. I can understand doing it for quick cash and a certain recognition but I would not ascribe healthy with either of these reasons. If you could give me at least one possible healthy reason then I might better understand what you are trying to say.
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Hypothetical though it is, isn't it plausible to imagine an attractive girl simply deciding to use her attractiveness to earn more money than she could otherwise hope to in her cicumstance in order to secure her future, provide for others, get an education, start a business or simply to grease the rails of her life? She certainly need not be emotionally disturbed or the product of a broken home or the victim of abuse to make such a decision. She need only be practical and to place that practicality above any concern for the social disapproval of the work. Many of the girls who grace this forum have given perfectly reasonable causes, even noble ones, for doing what they do. OF COURSE these reasons center around "quick cash". So? The reasons for becoming a dentist, lawyer, or anything include the money that one earns. But no one suggests that going into the Law or computer programming for the money is unhealthy. Porn performers' emphasis on the money doesn't make them emotional train wrecks. Submitting to the social stigma of porn work may seem to indicate that one must be emotionally or intellectually inferior to do so, but men and women often knowingly do things that expose them to public scorn, hatred, even danger, and do we think they are sluts, whores, skanks, etc. because of it? Susan Anthony was vilified in her own lifetime for her work for women's rights. Elizabeth Kenny was branded a charlatan and fool for advocating the value of phsical therapy. Do we think these women were damaged? But because what they do involves sex, women in porn must be in some way defective, disturbed, inferior. That's a response that comes from a long established albeit wrong notion that sex is sin, evil, dirty, even criminal. It's a response that, coming from people here especially, but from ANYBODY in this day and age, is contemptible hypocrisy It's telling, I think, that no one here, so far, has suggested that MALES who get into porn are necessarily emotionally traumatized, immoral, or stupid individuals. The studs of The Porn Pool rather envy THEM and many probably aspire to their profession without, of course, worrying that they themselves must be immoral or disturbed because of their aspirations. I think the prejudice against porn actresses has as much to do with misogyny and chauvinism as it does with antique and hypocritical views of sex.
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Posted - Aug 6 2010 : 11:50AM
Aren't you saying the same thing that some have ? Porn for pay, for a short term financial goal? typo
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 6 2010 : 12:17PM
Wouldn't it be silly to suggest that porn actors are not in it for the money? I never have. Why, though, does working for the money demean porn actors and not demean lawyers or electricians or anyone in the secular workplace -- ALL of whom work because they are paid to and would not work if they were not paid? Some here say porn performers are in it for the money as if that proves they are some kind of dysfunctional lowlifes, but the fact that THEY THEMSELVES do their jobs for the money as well doesn't make them dysfunctional or corrupt. That's called hypocrisy and sanctimony and prejudice and a double standard.
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Posted - Aug 6 2010 : 12:27PM
Thank you my friend,i don't believe in god , but damn you're right.... i'm great ! Edited by - ze_dude33 on 8/6/2010 1:02:51 PM
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Posted - Aug 6 2010 : 1:43PM
I think that we have gone a little far-a-field here. I said that porn was a choice that some girls might take for short term cash, otherwise I think that they are damaged in some way. Friends of her father pulled their resources to come up with a $1,000,000 to buy all of the copies, before Vivid distributed them. Unfortunately, they were too late. I'm saying a girl of 19, with those kinds of resources, did not need to make porno a career. That she chose too, clearly says to me, and I think others that she was clearly damaged. I think that this is true of most of the female performers, who commit to a porn career, for other than short term financial reasons. In her case, Montana had a lot more options than most performers generally have.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 6 2010 : 2:07PM
The facts of this specific case are what they are. I never intended a comment on Ms. Fishburne one way or another; only on the asinine generalizations posters were making about porn actresses and their motives. I don't think it's far afield at all to point out that just because WE would not choose to be in porn, it therefore means someone who does choose to be is damaged, immoral, inferior, a slut, trash, or whatever. Such an attitude is arrogant and narrow minded at best.
Porn producers may be neglecting a demographic of people who want to see the performers' emotional traumas and mental illnesses listed on the cover.
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Posted - Aug 6 2010 : 2:48PM
This might be true, but in today's society anyone with half a brain knows that a model release is required, porn or mainstream. Dates back to our 1st grades years needing a permission slip to go on the field trip to the zoo.
[/quote] I don't think it's far afield at all to point out that just because WE would not choose to be in porn, it therefore means someone who does choose to be is damaged, immoral, inferior, a slut, trash, or whatever. Such an attitude is arrogant and narrow minded at best. [/quote] I don't know where you got that the majority of posters have such negative opinions about people that do porn. I do see a trend that many would not suggest porn as a good career choice for friends and sibblings but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me that they'd gladly tell their daughter or sister to start making porn to earn quick money. A career in porn can open many doors but will probably close far more. Maybe one day that won't be the case but since we live in the now, then this is the reality for porn performer be they male or female. You have to weigh the fact that you can make some significant amounts of money in a very short amount of time versus the fact that your porn career will be with you for a very long time and you'll have to deal with those consequences long after you've stopped performing in front of a camera.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 9:09AM
I don't think it's far afield at all to point out that just because WE would not choose to be in porn, it therefore means someone who does choose to be is damaged, immoral, inferior, a slut, trash, or whatever. Such an attitude is arrogant and narrow minded at best.
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I don't know where you got that the majority of posters have such negative opinions about people that do porn...
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I don't know either. Kindly point to where I said or implied anything about the "majority of posters." In regards to this issue I have always singled out those who specifically make derogatory comments about porn performers and their motives that they know nothing about.
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Posted - Aug 3 2010 : 12:59AM
