Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 9:16AM
Certainly true in most cases, but people who steal sex tapes are not going to worry about the legal niceities of model releases. I can't believe Pam Anderson signed a model release for her tapes with whatshisname, or Paris Hilton ... well, maybe SHE did.
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 9:26AM
In those awful "Gonzo" flicks, I've often seen pre-sex interviews of the girl in which she talks about needing the money because she's a single mother or whatever. Personally, I find them about as prurient as a welfare interview. I think anyone that would find a litany of misery to be an aid to getting off has a mental illness far more serious than any porn actor's.
[[/quote] I don't know where you got that the majority of posters have such negative opinions about people that do porn... [/quote] I don't know either. Kindly point to where I said or implied anything about the "majority of posters." In regards to this issue I have always singled out those who specifically make derogatory comments about porn performers and their motives that they know nothing about. [/quote] I'd say it was from this one: "I don't think it's far afield at all to point out that just because WE would not choose to be in porn, it therefore means someone who does choose to be is damaged, immoral, inferior, a slut, trash, or whatever." Since you put the WE in capital then I assume you meant that we all had those thoughts about anyone making porn. If that's not the case then sorry.
What I want to say to Duefuss is this: I understand that you are upset with some of what you have read here, but look at these three cases. None of these three kids are inner city urchins who don't know where their next meal is coming from. So naturally, it prods a reasonable person to wonder, "why?". Why do something that you know will embarrass your celebrity parent, sibling or child? (NOTE: I want to stress, everybody's innocent until proven guilty, and again, I don't know anything about the personal dynamics of any of these families. I'm just putting this out there as an answer to Duefuss)
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Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 11:35AM
Its true in all cases. All info is disclosed at the start of all releases when they give the disclaimers and tell you who is and where the custodian of records is located. If it wasn't true we'd have all seen the Colin Farrell/Playboy model tape. Edited by - rosco fuji on 8/7/2010 5:07:16 PM
I don't believe some of the girls want there tape made public but it seems there are holes in the law that in some instances the tape can be released in some form without the girls signing. Pam Anderson for example insisted that there was some loophole in the law where they could've made her tape public without her consent. She claimed that since it was going to get out there anyway she might as well get paid for it. I think Kim had a simliar type dilemma. I think Ray Jay was the one who took the tape to...whoever. I remember someone saying that they didn't need Kim's consent. Perhaps they would've put it out and slightly blur her face or whatever. But from what I understand it was another case where the star just said "If it's going to end up out there I might as well get paid". At least that's what they claimed. In the end...who cares really? If Kim and Ray had actually planned this from the very beginning, I wish they had made an effort to shoot more and better footage. One of the reasons I don't believe they made the tape with intentions to sell it is because the lack of effort put into it. The tape really looks like they were just messing around and taping stuff. Pam had been known before for filming herself during sex and the footage of her and (...was it Brett Michaels?) is actually better shot stuff that was floating around before the tape of her and Tommy. I didn't hear about any deals for her first sex tape so perhaps it's possible for this stuff to get out there without consent. I believe the whole Paris sex tape was just a string of events that luckily paid off for her in the end. I really don't think she mastermind any of it and the whole thing was just dumb luck that it worked out for her.
BTW, there's a girl who says she was once Montana's friend and that Montana was a prostitute and is only doing the porn thing because her boy/pimp wants her to. Her interviews are currently up on Youtube. Interesting stuff.
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Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 12:59PM
I know nothing about Richard Hilfiger, but I can say that there is a lot of bitterness between Rudi and his kids. They are still angry over how they and their mother were treated by this pompous fool. Who can say, except for possibly a few flies on the wall, what is really going on in this girls head, but it sure sounds like, at some level, she really wants to stick it to the old man.
Agreed. Rudi's divorce was ugly, and he treated her family shamelessly. Parenting is a huge responsibility. So if you screw it up you having a living human being who can come back at you and fuck with your life. Makes you think about all the celebs having/adopting children--and if they'll be good parents. Could be a lot more Montana Fishburne's in the making. Edited by - Derek117 on 8/7/2010 2:07:08 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 4:50PM
Since you put the WE in capital then I assume you meant that we all had those thoughts about anyone making porn. If that's not the case then sorry.
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It was a rhetorical "we," hypothetical if you like, as in "if we do not wish to do porn ourselves, that does not mean someone who DOES wish to is in some way inferior or defective." I for one never had the thought of doing porn. The presence of mirrors in my house has always precluded such notions.
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Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 5:05PM
First off, quit using the comparison of other professions with porn; it's not apples to apples. On one hand you're comparing the performers to Drs and Lawyers and then the next you refering to them as Welfare cases. Also, why is it that everyone who doesn't agree with you is arrogant, narrow minded, an asshole etc? By you not being open to other's differing POV, that makes you just as arrogant and narrow minded as you claim they are. I also have to ask, why the staunch defense? Are you hoping that a performer thanks you for defending their honor? Oh yeah FYI, here's an excerpt from a review I did awhile back: Annette Haven, looking very lovely in short red hair, talking about her career, and also talking about how emotionally stunted/damaged/needy today’s actresses in porn are. Granted this interview took place in the early 80’s, but Haven goes on to say that while some are only in it for the money, a lot are looking only to be loved. Haven admits to having this flaw herself. Edited by - rosco fuji on 8/7/2010 5:14:26 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 5:38PM
First off, if I wish to compare porn to other professions, I will. It is very much "apples to apples" in my view. And everyone who doesn't agree with me is not arrogant, etc. but everyone who makes blanket statements about ANY profession or human choice being, per se, indicative of emotional disturbance or moral weakness is INDEED being narrow minded, prejudiced and, in the case of a porn fan viz. a viz. porn actresses, VERY hypocritcal; an asshole, as you put it. As for Ms. Haven, her evidence is anecdotal at best. Further, I do not recall ever suggesting that there weren't probably a great many troubled girls in porn or a great many skewed motives for doing porn, just, by the way, as there are unhealthy or wrong reasons for getting into ANY profession. What I continue to protest is the ASSUMPTION that this must be always the case, that there CAN'T be healthy, reasonable, and quite sensible motives for doing porn and that there can't be perfectly sane, intelligent, and wonderful people who do it. I contend that there can be and are. Are YOU suggesting that there can't be? If so, why don't you go tell that to Tricia Devereaux or Clayra Beau or Mackenzee Pierce or any of the present and former actress posters on this forum? I'm sure they'll be grateful to you for setting them straight.
there is more to Montana than just being Chippy D, I feel. Major issues but for somehow the porn industry is being blamed. Or Kim Kardashian being blamed. If you're old enough to screw on film then you obviously are old enough to have made the decision willingly. But just major issues going on in this girl's life. I can only imagine Laurence's position on the thought of his daughter fucking for the whole world to see. It reminds me of Robert Wagner quote I read in Celebrity Sleuth magazine when his youngest daughter(with Natalie Wood) did a nude shower scene in a movie, Wagner upon seeing the scene quipped ..."that guy has got his hands on my baby!" I couldn't help but laugh, but then I thought about Laurence Fishburn who most likely wouldn't view his daughter's scene in her movie. SCENE(yes spoilers!) That being said , I just watched the scene. Ho or not the girl is fine. Yeah, a few acne spots on her butt, but nothing a little 'Neosporin' couldn't clear up should she take it. Chippy has a fine body, long legs(she's in high heels) but she towers over Pumper. Pumper spends too much time with dizzy camera movements and distraction, (he's doing the same shit RayJ did with Kim and should know better doing porn all the time). There's also a rap video & song(in the version I saw)by ?Pumper playing throughout the scene that's not bad but is repetetive. He should've hired a male talent to stroke the girl out while he filmed or get a cameraman( I think he does later in movie) to steadycam this scene while he himself bangs Chippy. Pumper takes a lot of time filming the girl's asshole in closeup, not a bad thing cause she has a fine looking ass(splatches withstanding)! She has also has a fat sandwich cooter, the kind that looks fabulous in tight panties showing thick cameltoe. Boy does she have some serious cameltoe!! As the scene wears on, Pumper's stroking of her gets better and more consistent with him quite obviously bringing her to orgasm several times particularly in a sort of reverse 'spoon' on a bright yellow couch. There's even a waterport sequence 45:50 minutes in which the camera/and cameraman gets doused and we hear her fart. The scene ends with her sucking Pumper into her mouth. I would've preferred a creampie ending. It's a better than average Pumper scene once he gets into it. All in all Chippy-D favors one Sinnamon Love IMHO and even has a soft-sounding voice like Sinn. That's only a compliment to both Sinn and Chippy. For one thing Chippy is a big girl, long slender legs. From looking at the scene though you can tell this girl has been around, she knows how to fuck!!!
For the record, I'm not in porn to find some analog for love. I'm in it to make money, pay down some of my college loans, and ride out the shittiest economy our generation has seen. I'm in a solid, loving relationship, I have a good relationship with both my mom and dad, and I have a college degree that is pretty useless in the aforementioned shitty economy. Porn is a job for me, and there's nothing that says one can't have fun at what they do. To be honest, porn sex isn't "just sex". It's kind of like having someone pick your nose while a third person tells them how to do it and takes pictures. Okay, so it's more fun than that, but that's about as "personal" as it gets, so I can't see how anyone could think that people in porn were "just looking to be loved". There's no love here. Porn sex isn't ABOUT love. Love sex is usually heated and passionate, leaves you out of breath and the positions don't matter and nor does how long it lasts so long as both people are satisfied in the end. Porn sex is about pacing, getting the shot, making it last long enough, and doing exactly what the director has asked the pair (or more) to do. Sure, both kinds will get you off, but one will always be way more satisfying. People in porn are just a microcosm of those outside porn. If Ms. Fishburne REALLY wants to do it, great, but a lot of it just sounds like a bogus "debutante wants to sell her sex tape to get a show on MTV or FOX" story gone wrong. Admittedly, I haven't been paying much attention to her story, and unless I get booked with her down the road sometime, I probably won't... Just sayin...
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Posted - Aug 8 2010 : 12:09AM
And I assume had you won a mil in the lottery or your parents were multi-millionaires or had you landed a great paying job in your discipline you would probably not be making porn. No one is saying that there is anything wrong with doing porn. It is just that any 19 year old, who doesn't need the money but still chooses to do porn anyway, and by doing so drags her father's good name through the press, has probably got some issues. The question here is about a girl, whose father is a multi-millionaire and thereby, has other choices. I think that under the circumstances her choices seem to point to "problems" that probably have a great deal to do with emotional wounds inflicted on her, in the aftermath of her parents divorce.
Perhaps she has issues (who doesn't?), but even she says she's just trying to follow the cellebutante idiots... " 'I've watched how successful Kim Kardashian became and I think a lot of it was due to the release of her sex tape. I'm hoping the same magic will work for me. I'm impatient about getting well known and having more opportunities, and this seemed like a great way to get started on it.'" She's an idiot, and we'd all do well to ignore her while Vivid sucks up the profits from this. After all, her idiocy could help make the industry a little more fiscally solid than it has been...
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Posted - Aug 8 2010 : 1:05AM
Okay, a one sentence response to each of your points in numerical order: 1: When you say, "First off, if I wish to compare porn to other professions, I will. It is very much "apples to apples" in my view." you really lose all credibility on any further debates. Comparing people who have roughly 25 years of education with people who barely have 12 and calling it apples to apples is ludicris. (okay that was more than one sentence) 2: Why is a quote from a true pioneer in porn dismissed out of hand as anecdotal at best, but a comment from a current porn performer considered a direct quote from God? 3: What are the healthy, reasonable, and quite sensible motives for doing porn that you contend exist, other than as Clayra mentions its a job in a shitty economy? 4: Why would I do that, my comments and questions were directed to you so quit trying to deflect them off yourself, but since you mentioned that, see point 2! Edited by - rosco fuji on 8/8/2010 1:06:59 AM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - Aug 8 2010 : 9:21AM
Certainly YOU are not, but the implication of much of the reaction here to Ms. Fishburne is very much that there IS sometying wrong with girls who do porn, a view that, for no other reason that it is a hopeless generalization about human motives, is patently false and foolish.
And again, I say it's our curiosity of wanting to know "why"?. I dont' think it's that many of us here are looking down on porners*, it's just that a) we recognize that mainstream puritanical society, especially women, look down on it. b) you just don't see too many other children of famous celebs doing it -- again, the embarrassment factor. And just for the record, add me to the list that does not look down on them (or refer to them as bitches, hoes, sluts, etc) Many of these women are living the cliche -- they're doing it for college, they want to someday start their own busines, etc etc. Many of them are smart and fairly intellectual going by some of the interviews and chats I've read over the years. As more than one sex worker has opined over the years "We do the same things that other women do behind closed doors -- but we're getting paid for it" Decry the logic if you want, but the captains of industry, the Morgans, the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, operate from the same principle. It's just that they exploited others as opposed to themselves. No, they never did pornos...you know what I mean...
Yeah, but I'm not sure what she does. She's obviously some sort of model but there doesn't seem to be much on her. No mention of her doing any sort of porn but I wish she would.
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Posted - Aug 9 2010 : 7:48AM
But most cities got more population. Whatever. She looks hot. But she'll never be a Paris Hilton or Kim K.. She's selling too cheap. And doing porn because to get famous is just poor. She's just another bored Hollywood soul tryin' to be famous. But there are too many hot girls in Hollywood selling their pussy on some casting couch just to be famous. Do I want to watch her getting fucked in the ass? You bet! Not because she's that ho, but because her DAD is famous. But ftr I've seen it all, it's time for a new girl.
Thus seems really lame and misguided and sad. At least she could choose someone better than Brian Pumper. Along with the surplus of parodies (except for the Human Sex-ipede, which I wholly endorse), more clear evidence that Porn As We Know It is a cold baked potato. Celebrity sex tapes are the absolute bottom of the barrel. Crackwhore confessions has more integrity.
hey Roscoe!, did you ever see this footage of Ray J peeing on Kim? I've never heard of this before your mentioning it. Why did they take it out of the initial dvd release? Do you think an expanded version of the Kim disc might be re-released with the peeing included? if you know where can we see the footage? thanks
^ because urination in films in the US has become frowned upon of late. Certainly its much less acceptable than in Europe. Here the women were "squirting" for a while (see: Wynn, Tyla) but even that has subsided.
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Posted - Aug 11 2010 : 10:09PM
saw some of her links and freeones despite what people think.....she is pretty hot. Great natural breasts like hers are hard to find on a 19 year old Edited by - doug e on 8/11/2010 10:53:03 PM
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Posted - Aug 11 2010 : 11:40PM
Never saw it. It was just mentioned several times near the time of release. At this point, I'm sure the footage is stashed safely away somewhere. http://www.yankeepotroast.org/archives/2007/03/kim_kardashian.html http://www.metadish.com/2007/05/01/kim-kardashian-tests-the-market-for-getting-peed-on-on-camera-its-around-5-million/
Somebody showed me a clip of her not so long ago where she performed with mister macho, mister - I like to sniff brown stained panties- (the latter as said by a female performer on youtube dot com, that worked with him; there is also a thread about that on ADT). Any how, a semi rap video clip where that bozo clown (all "blinged up) showing off his gangsta rap skills....OMFG!!! As if that wasn't bad and laughable enough, that chippy d girl made me say another OMG: She has bad skin!! I was turned off in a couple of seconds when I saw that big ol butt of hers (that kept being zoomed in on by pumper) that was filled with dried up mega zits!! No, still ain't got no zit fetish, sorry but that's just nasty.
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So would I but I wonder if it's wishfull thinking on our part. I'm not talking about wishing one of our favorite to make a comeback but that her attitude seems so far removed and rather negative toward her porn life that I can't imagine she'd be able to enjoy herself and she ceertainly couldn't act like she does....But you never know. I just hope that whatever she does with her life is something she can find peace and happiness.
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Posted - Aug 12 2010 : 10:43PM
definitely an interesting read.
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Retired porn girls seem to either have major regrets, or they put it in their rearview mirror and let it go. Ex-porn performers never become Porn Biz Cheerleaders, unless they're still connected to the biz.
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Posted - Aug 13 2010 : 11:33AM
Her comments, about the article, posted on Huffingtonpost.com
Montana Fishburne @ Adult Empire
Posted - Aug 7 2010 : 9:16AM
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As the scene wears on, Pumper's stroking of her gets better and more consistent with him quite obviously bringing her to orgasm several times particularly in a sort of reverse 'spoon' on a bright yellow couch. There's even a waterport sequence 45:50 minutes in which the camera/and cameraman gets doused and we hear her fart.
that was one of the most eyebrow raising things that I have ever read (if for the first sentence alone)
