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sanchez_1960 Member 582 Posts 2/03	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 1:44PM I'm a big fan of Erik Everhard and Jules Jordan, their content is downright filthy and well filmed. However, one thing I find is their movies can be way too long. I'm all for value for money bit i'd rather have a JJ or EE movie thats concise rather than one that requires the Fast Forward! Usually each scene is that much more stretched out and they can get really boring! IMO JJ was better when his movies were only on 1 Disc! Don't get me wrong if either of you read this! Just my opinion, i'm sure alot of others prefer the length! [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 1:46PM Personally I would rather have quality instead of quantity. That's why I stay away from the two directors you mentioned. [Link]
Lange Member Make Gapes not War 230 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 2:06PM I like movies lasting more than 140 minutes. I like it when you get a lot of fuck for the buck. Eric Everhard often use the bonus disc for bonus scenes and very long behind the scenes clips, like in Ass Obsessed 3 with Angelina Crow in that scene in Budapest. I think that is a great thing. The difference is that RLD 2 disc movies don't cost more than 1 disc sets in the shops. Evil Angel 2 disc movies cost more, but Jules Jordan movies are more expensive to make, I guess. But I agree that sometimes the problem with these two directors is that it is too much of the same. I like Eric Everhard movies a lot, but he tend to focus way too much on DPs, which gets boring after a while. But it is off course a matter of quality. If you just add some mediocre scenes just get a long running time, then it is a bad thing. Lange [Link]
PL Senior Member God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 2:13PM Depending on the action and amount of scenes determines if it's too long in my book. But I'll add my 2 cents and say I prefer good ol' 2 hr fuck flicks. 120 min - 13 0min is fine. Bonus scenes are a nice thing too but they don't need to be 45 minutes or so long. Personally I prefer long BTS over long bonus scenes. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 2:26PM Two words - chapter stops. [Link]

julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 2:37PM You guys should see what I had to cut out of some of my older titles, this is the reason I went to 2 discs. I figure, why not show "everything" that was shot. There were countless times I was pulling my hair out editing stuff out of the movies I wanted to keep in. I also started "upping" the scene count when I did 2 disc sets. [Link]
MASAMUNE Senior Member 1452 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 2:56PM I agree. I avoid Jules Jordan movies for that exact reason. Lots of dead space still and boredom starts to set in. Regarding chapter stops, the continuity gets jerky when you start hitting the forward button, and I'd rather not have to fiddle with the remote [Link]
willywilly Member Activated Member 662 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 2:58PM Lange wrote: - - - and very long behind the scenes clips, - - - Click to expand PL wrote: - - - Personally I prefer long BTS over long bonus scenes. - - - Click to expand Heartily agree. [Link]
willywilly Member Activated Member 662 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 3:02PM julesjordanvideo wrote: - - - I figure, why not show "everything" that was shot. There were countless times I was pulling my hair out editing stuff out of the movies I wanted to keep in. I also started "upping" the scene count when I did 2 disc sets. Click to expand Is BTS footage a lot of trouble and expense to include? Does it take a lot of planning ahead? Basically, I'm wondering why some include a goodly amount of it, and others do not. Thanks [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 3:03PM I was in total support of Jules as a fan and also someone at Evil Angel when he started making his movies longer. Of course, I'm someone who really loves long scenes (as long as they hold my attention), so I'm a little biased. If a scene is boring, it could be 15 minutes long, and that's too long for me. If it's keeping me excited, I'm not sure that an hour would be too long. Just my opinion. :) [Link]
-Kelly- Senior Member 2517 Posts 5/03	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 3:12PM I'm with Tricia on this point: "If a scene is boring, it could be 15 minutes long, and that's too long for me. If it's keeping me excited, I'm not sure that an hour would be too long." [Link]
Lee O Forearm Trainer mmmmmmm........ after-birth 1193 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 3:16PM A 2 disc set of just Shyla Styles and Ryan Conner from Ass Worship 2 would really pull my chain . But for the most part there are very few scenes which captivate me like those have . Either way , more set up , more story/scenario please Jules . I've not seen anything for a while so maybe you've already added this , but the Briana Banks scene in Perfect Specimens was foxy largely because of the situation . Though her being a bonafide hottie didn't hurt , of course ... [Link]
DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 3:32PM I don't mind the longer films with a +1 of what Tricia said. DenverDon [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 3:45PM We are also talking about extra scenes included with the making of a 2 disc set. There is a difference between behind the scenes and "extra" sex that go into a dvd, one doesnt cancel out the other. I think alot of people are "conditioned" by 90 minutes/120 minutes per adult movie. I do/watch over alot of my editing to catch anything that is inconsistent [Link]
MisterNoGood Member 195 Posts 2/04	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 4:04PM I enjoyed the 2 disc sets of Feeding Frenzy by Jules Jordan. [Link]

lou sapphire Member Take the plan, spin it sideways. 685 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 4:53PM Whats the problem here? Ive heard people complain that a movie is too short but never that its too long? I agree with Jules people are conditioned and when change happens people look for faults. I havent noticed any change in quality, theres just more of it. Im glad i dont edit porn because i know my films would be 5 hours long! Edited by - lou sapphire on 7/13/2005 4:57:37 PM [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 4:55PM 2 disc sets are fine. I don't like it the way Diabolic did with the latest Chico stuff. Three hours plus is much too long for one disc. I want my porn in decent image quality. [Link]
Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 5:15PM Lee O wrote: (...) but the Briana Banks scene in Perfect Specimens was foxy largely because of the situation . Click to expand Brianna Banks in Perfect Specimens ? How long was your copy anyway? As to the topic, here is a relevant quote from the first "10 Quotable Reflections on Porn" from Walter Burns: A video is better too short than too long. If it is too short, it means I really enjoyed it and wanted it to be longer. If it is too long, I was bored long before it ended. I prefer enjoying myself over being bored. Click to expand That being said, I like longish scenes as long a they are done in a style I like -- which means lots of variety and 'rupture' from the norm. I never use chapter stops, but I do use the fast forward button. This has a become a simple way for me to grade a movie. If I use the fast forward button a lot, the movie stinks. If I use it sparingly, it is a keeper. astroknight said: “It's like comparing olive oil and motor oil. They both have their place, but to compare one to the other is extremely difficult especially in a place where a good portion of the people don't want to cook and another large portion only wants to walk.” [Link]
phatbasey Senior Member 1390 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 6:26PM I agree with Tricia I do not care how long the scene is but I LOVE chapter stops every dvd should have like 30. I jump to the cumshots half the time anyhow. [Link]
CG_Gurl80 Member Sexy Bitches 486 Posts 1/05	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 6:36PM In general, I'm also an advocate of quality over quantity. However, I like the fact that Jules and the other directors who choose to do so, are making double discs so that they don't have to cut out what they believe to be quality material. Some will enjoy it, some won't, that's the nature of the beast. I keep hoping for Brandon to release a double disc edition of "A Good Source of Iron" but I trust his directorial skills and his ability to choose what stays and what goes. I'd still love to see an extended version double DVD anyway! Edited by - CG_Gurl80 on 7/13/2005 6:36:18 PM [Link]
RLD Fiend Member Cincinnati, O. 665 Posts 10/04	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 7:01PM Actually I like the lengthy DVD's as long as the material is quality. PXP has been doing some nice ones lately like Steve Holmes' Anal Cum Addicts and Brandon's Intensities in 10 Cities 2 (a full six hours of porno goodness)! If the director is just using filler to up the running time to 3 hours plus, though, I agree it's not necessarily a good thing. [Link]
sir wankalot Member UK 904 Posts 5/03	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 9:48PM I'm all for longer scenes where there is either some tease before the sex (eg: buttwalking/stripping/dancing) or a little scenario developing (eg: Taylor Rain's garage scene from Flesh Hunter 5). It just builds up the excitement before the sex. I was really disappointed with 2 of Diabolics 'Gangbang Auditions' where, after a brief black and white interview (filming in b/w never works in porn), they jumped straight into unclothed frantic sex. I wanted to at least see the girl stripped. [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 10:37PM I like the longer scenes. If there is a part that I don't want to watch immediately, I can fast forward. I also like longer 'tease' segments, so I can't complain. Short scenes don't have as much re-watchability, since they are so easily memorized. [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 10:45PM I only hate long DVD's when they are good, means it takes me longer to watch them and I do have to watch a lot of DVD's My 'homework' goes a lot faster when they're crap, then I can discard 10 titles in an hour. Jacco [Link]
ballsonchin Member 331 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 10:57PM A long porn DVD is still porn right? I don't care as long as the quality doesn't suffer and it provides spanking material. [Link]

EL_ Member Browsing with Mouse Gestures 193 Posts 7/04	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 2:23AM I rent mostly and two discs count as two rentals. I do like the JJ 2disc sets but most two disc sets are the same quality with extra/more than 6 scences. why not do a dual layer dual sided disc instead? [Link]
Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 2:56AM No less than 1 cumshot for 15 minutes of material. 5 - 10mins Boner Footage = a boner in 5 -10 is impressive, a cumshot too? Kickin ass out the gate! 15 mins Boner Footage = 1 cumshot 25 mins Boner Footage = 1 damn good cumshot or 3 decent pops 30 mins.Boner Footage = Had better be a Gangbang, no reverse BS, with some anal pie mixed in for desert.. 35+ mins Boner Footage = WTF? It had better rain spunk...Actually, NM. wheres the Cum Loop.. Edited by - Endless Loop on 7/14/2005 3:04:23 AM [Link]
Bootleg Zani Member 219 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 3:30AM The only problem I find with 2 disc DVDs is that the price goes up exponentially. But besides that I love Jules Jordan's work. I am eagerly awaiting Invasian 2. [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 3:37AM How was 140 minutes picked to be the limit? Just because that was the max capacity of VHS with reasonable picture quality? Because 2 hours 20 minutes just rolls off the tongue? As long as the content makes sense and is good, I have no complaints. With bad camera work and poor lighting with women that aren't prepped to look their best, 30 minutes is too long. If the director knows what he is doing, is on his game, and has the budget keep going. [Link]
cubesnake Senior Member 3858 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 4:35AM Hi, EL_ wrote: ... why not do a dual layer dual sided disc instead? Click to expand production costs ? would be my guess In regard to "2_discs == 2_rentals" ...my "home" videostore treats them as "one". I even paid only the "normal" fee for the "Hellboy" Special edition (which is a 3-Disc DVD) Cube [Link]
scipio Senior Member 1901 Posts 2/00	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 5:27AM jacco wrote: I only hate long DVD's when they are good, means it takes me longer to watch them and I do have to watch a lot of DVD's My 'homework' goes a lot faster when they're crap, then I can discard 10 titles in an hour. Jacco Click to expand +1 Jacco [Link]
lurflurf Member 115 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 6:09AM croy wrote: How was 140 minutes picked to be the limit? Just because that was the max capacity of VHS with reasonable picture quality? Because 2 hours 20 minutes just rolls off the tongue? Click to expand Back when VHS tapes held 120 minutes (all this will assume sp speed). Some companies set themselves apart by streaching it to 140 by using smaller spools. That length became a standard. Now thinner tape stock has been developed, and tapes can hold 200 minutes or more (have not seen them used for porn though). [Link]
Cyberchicken Member 900 Posts 4/02	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 6:21AM I like long movies, but I'd prefer seven short scenes to six normal length scenes. I've always thought that one of the reasons Stagliano's movies became such instant hits were their two hour and twenty minute run time, which absolutely blew away the competition's wimpy eighty minute five scene movies. [Link]
cubesnake Senior Member 3858 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 6:31AM Hi, Cyberchicken wrote: ... competition's wimpy eighty minute five scene movies. Click to expand at least that was the "standard" length given on the outside ... a lot of movies didn´t even match that Cube [Link]
VincentVanGauge Former Fucking Virgin Paying trib-ute to SinncentVanSage 1412 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 1:36PM As long as you don't try to squeeze 140 minutes of footage plus all the extras on one disc that's no problem. I'd prefer to watch 10 scenes 14 minutes in length to 5 scenes 28 minutes in length, though. If it's a really good scene it's not easy to make it through half an hour in one session. If it's not a good scene it's even more difficult. I've only seen the first installment of Feeding Frenzy by Jules Jordan and no movie at all by Erik Everhard by now, but well, I've got only 12 porn DVD's I would deem re-watchable. Jules, I really like Feeding Frenzy! It's a great cast, very hot action and quite a few scenes. Especially the re-stroke value of the scenes with Aurora Snow, Gauge, Jenna Haze and Judy Star seems to be endless, LOL. I would gladly buy all the other installments if I could. You just spent three seconds of your life to read this. You wanna fuck me [Link]

Erik_Everhard Member 246 Posts 1/02	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 5:10PM I simply started doing the 2 disc sets because i was upset when i would cut a bonus scene that should have legitamately been a 25 - 30 min scene, down to 10 mins!!! I had to throw out so much quality stuff to make it fit on a dvd 9, hence i started the 2 disc thing. And NO, my movies are certainly not cheaper to make than jules, him and me have been friends for over 6 years and he could tell you just how much outnumbered #3 cost to make! EE [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 5:36PM I don't think that the cost of a video is related to the length of the scenes. How many performers being used and what sex acts they perform would likely be where most of the cost is found. It doesn't matter whether it's been edited to 15 or 40 minutes, it probably took the same amount of time to shoot. Adding a disk to the package is probably a negligible cost. I think that DVD has freed directors from their 140 min. ceiling and they're starting to make use of it. How well they do it is totally dependent upon the sensibilities of the director and editor. [Link]
julesjordanvideo JulesJordan.com Professional Perverts 1003 Posts 9/01	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 6:48PM Erik gave up his left nut to bring you "Outnumbered 3" you should all be happy!, this could be the titanic of porn. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 6:51PM More, merrier. [Link]
Sanders Member 424 Posts 9/03	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 10:58PM One reason the 2 Disc Sets get people pissed is if they are on a rental plan such as XRent where a 2 Disc Rental counts as having 2 DVD's out which pretty much sucks if they are on the 5 Titles a month plan. [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 11:13PM lurflurf wrote: Back when VHS tapes held 120 minutes (all this will assume sp speed). Some companies set themselves apart by streaching it to 140 by using smaller spools. That length became a standard. Now thinner tape stock has been developed, and tapes can hold 200 minutes or more (have not seen them used for porn though). Click to expand I know most of that. My point is, how does a person decide that 140 minutes is his limit? Does his hand start cramping up? Does he get callouses on his dick, what? If the only hinderance to Erik and Jules' creativity is the running time of their work, I have no objection. The stuff about money, religious fundamentalists, and local laws I can't do anything about. If they don't feel good about how their work is presented, they will burn out faster or become cookie cutter. Still, if a few shorter scenes will get Aurora Snow vs. Gauge out faster, I'll seriously consider it. [Link]
lurflurf Member 115 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 1:41AM croy wrote: I know most of that. My point is, how does a person decide that 140 minutes is his limit? Does his hand start cramping up? Does he get callouses on his dick, what? Click to expand Mostly habit I assume people get used to something like qwerty keyboards, irregular verbs, english units, or 140 minute porn and resist future change. Even when what they are used to was eastablished for no good reason. Still 140 to pushing 4 hrs is a big change and no doubt callouses ect. become a factor for some. No need to watch all at once. Re rentals your rental place has a crap policy that is not the fault of the producers. DVD9 has several advantages of DVD18 such as -cover art -more durable -cheaper/easier to manufacture -many multidisc players do not have disc flip capability -if you have two dvd players you can watch both dics simultaneously (with pip or two screens) or alternatingly (switching between both on one screen). Thus the decision between DVD9 and DVD18 depents on sevaral things and will not please everyone. re length vs. number I am not knowlegable on pruduction cost formulas, but it is obvious that the cost of filming 10 14 minute scenes is not the same as shotting 5 28 minute scenes. Jules Jordon stated above that in 2 disc releases he included more scenes as well as made them longer. The choice is more about longer scenes or shorter scenes than many short scenes or few long scenes. A simple choice for me long wins. For those that do not like the length maybe producers could use seamless branching, but it would likely be difficult to implement and not entirely satisfactory. Multiple versions are probably not fesible. I still think fast forward is a good solution. [Link]
cubesnake Senior Member 3858 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 2:48AM Hi, lurflurf wrote: ...For those that do not like the length maybe producers could use seamless branching... Click to expand Well, seamless branching is great ... but i haven´t been able to find a player who supports it. My copy of "The Abyss" (the non x movie) still resides in my shelf unseen :( Given the fact that some people already havin problems with DVDs sometimes i don´t think it would be "cool" to ad another way of making viewing more difficult. As long as manufacuturers of any given technical product don´t implement a "feature" correctly it just doesn´t make sens in using it Cube [Link]
kev500 Member 10 Posts 4/05	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 2:59AM I have no problem with longer movies...but it'd be better to get more scenes, and therefore more different girls, rather than the same number of girls in longer scenes. [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 3:32AM Getting more scenes & therefore women per DVD would cost the producer more, whereas longer scenes come from editing style - the footage has already been payed for. Of course duplication costs are more. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 5:08AM julesjordanvideo wrote: Erik gave up his left nut to bring you "Outnumbered 3" you should all be happy!, this could be the titanic of porn. Click to expand the blockbuster film or the ship that sunk? [Link]
one eyed jack Member 65 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 6:04AM I agree with a lot of points here. I love Jule Jordans stuff. Theres nothing worse than express versions of scenes. The people who are fucking are living human beings. I'm a people watcher and I understand what Jules means when there is something that is hard to edit out because it adds something to the over all scene. What gives a scene that certain something to me is catching that certain look in a girls eye that convinces you she really desires that person or what they are doing. The opposite is also true. I like my porn real which is why I favour more extensive and intensive scenes. Short concise scenes don't really give anything more than just people crashing together in sex. If this is more your thing, fine. [Link]
Andy2 Member UK 157 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 10:23AM lurflurf wrote: Still 140 to pushing 4 hrs is a big change and no doubt callouses ect. become a factor for some. No need to watch all at once. Click to expand Post of the week?! [Link]
budtugley Senior Member One man's trash can be the next man's treasure. 1187 Posts 1/04	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 3:20PM I watched Cum Fart Cocktails 2 last night. I still haven't recovered. Anal felching. Watching Leah Luv drink scrotum sauce straight from Bianca Pureheart's poophole is a sight to see. Watching Tianna Lynn eat two loads of cum from Kat's colon is another 'had to see it to believe it' scene. The film is more than 3 hours long. Throw in the bonus scene with Alektra and it's close to 3 1/2 hours long. It's two films worth of stroke. Get it now. [Link]
tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 3:36PM Please, whatever jules does don't let him take out the long tease scenes. They don't have to run 20 minutes, but I like them. Seriously, sometimes if I don't like the actual sex part I love the tease scenes. I know other people who hate the teases scenes and skip them, but I often find them the best part. tricia_devereaux wrote: I was in total support of Jules as a fan and also someone at Evil Angel when he started making his movies longer. Of course, I'm someone who really loves long scenes (as long as they hold my attention), so I'm a little biased. If a scene is boring, it could be 15 minutes long, and that's too long for me. If it's keeping me excited, I'm not sure that an hour would be too long. Just my opinion. :) Click to expand [Link]
VincentVanGauge Former Fucking Virgin Paying trib-ute to SinncentVanSage 1412 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 6:14PM tmd5 wrote: I know other people who hate the teases scenes and skip them, but I often find them the best part. Click to expand Yeah, I like them, too. Nothing is more woodifying than a girl who knows how to tease. To jerk off I prefer the sex, but it's much better to jerk off with a real hard boner. Don't care if the scene mainly becomes longer because of the tease stuff. +1 teasing You just spent three seconds of your life to read this. You wanna fuck me [Link]

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