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Draxxx
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Posted - Aug 19 2010 : 9:24PM
LOL!!! Some of you guys are so funny. You spend waaaaay too much time worrying about white girls having sex with black guys and if a girl doesn't do it when you feel they should or with who you think they should you immediately think they've got some sort of evil agenda going.
It's no surprise Tabitha announces her first on screen IR on this site BECAUSE THAT'S ALL SOME OF YOU TALK AND WORRY ABOUT!!! She's doing something new and some of you guys seem to be all into IR (to an annoying degree in some cases) so it makes sense she'd play up her first IR on this site. Unfortunately for her she didn't realize that by not following the set of IR rules some of you have in your head she apparently was doing a horrible thing by doing IR at this point or even mentioning she did it here. Here she is thinking she's sharing some cool new news that people here would be interested in hearing about but some of you manage to twist into into something negative.
Yeah, back in the day once upon a time things were different. Girls were told or thought doing IR would hurt doing IR might hurt their career. That was the common way of thinking back then. It may or may not have been the case for every pornstar but it was the way many people in porn viewed things. Right or wrong it was the way things were. But it's the past now. Isn't it time to get over it already? Times change. People change. We become enlighten. We evolve. We mature. Are you the exact same person who makes the exact same choices that you did 15 or 20 years ago?
Some of you are so intent on trying to come up with rationalizations to back your views some of what you say stuff doesn't even make sense. Some try to imply that Tabitha is doing IR now because she's hard up for work. Wasn't it reported that Tabitha was offered a large amount of money for her latest comeback? Hasn't Tabitha been doing work for major studios since her return? Hasn't she been working fairly regularly? Isn't she married to a director who shoots her whenever she wants? How does all that somehow be seen as needing work? More importantly, how does doing IR actually translate into her getting more gigs? Especially when she's only doing IR for the movies she produces?
I'm black, I'm a fan of IR and I'm happy to see Tabitha do IR... but I really don't get the strange stuff some of you focus on. Implying a person has a problem with black people because they didn't have sex on camera a black guy within a certain time period or as fast as you feel they should've. That's pretty ridiculous.
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dnice
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Posted - Aug 19 2010 : 10:37PM
whats the differece if a white person does not date readheads or dark haired women is he or she racist I have no problem with dat you fine either way
 
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Posted - Aug 19 2010 : 11:00PM
What does this have to do with Tabitha?
Isn't she from Long Island?
tabithastevens
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Posted - Aug 19 2010 : 11:29PM
Yes, I am from Westbury NY. Lived there from the time I was born till I was 15 years old. Moved to Vegas with my wonderful family and finished my high school years in Las Vegas from 1985 ~ 1988. Left Vegas in 1995 to pursue a career in porn. Thank you for pointing that out :). Maybe he was talking about some one else being from Texas??? Funny how people think that they really know you when apparently they don't.
Can we ALL just be cool to each other ~ especially on here??? When any kind of negative crap goes down on these sites it makes the 'porn star/performer' NOT want to post any more. There's enough negativity going on in the WORLD. Why add more on a place that is supposed to be fun and informative?
I am now at peace ~ I hope that everyone else can be too :).
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dnice
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Posted - Aug 19 2010 : 11:32PM
no one gave Janine all this hell when did interracial I think they are all jealous that they werent the ones to break your interracial cherry this all fun this shouldnt be about race just do me a favor try to get janine to come back and do a scene with her interracial or not would love to see it
tabithastevens
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Posted - Aug 19 2010 : 11:48PM
I would love to do a scene with Janine! Thank you for your support! It really means a lot to me :).
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Harri Patel
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 12:15AM
The great majority of the people who post here do do that. A small number of IR ranters migrated here a while back from another site, and keep getting deactivated and coming back under new names. Best thing to do is just not interact with them at all. Nobody is going to think less of you for just ignoring them; we all know what the score is with those guys by now.
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 2:23AM

My wife and I live by Riverhead ... Long Island represent!
lol...
+1
Harri's right, though, most of the posters here are cool ... and those that aren't are usually shown the door pretty quickly...
(and then come back...etc., etc.)
ugh.
Draxxx
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 5:56AM
Hey Gary O., You do great work. I think it would be great to see you and Tabitha do a film with a little lighter/fun subject matter in the future. Something like a James Bond type movie or an action or superhero type movie. The darker stuff is interesting but I'd like to see some fun stuff too.
Gary Orona
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 2:18PM
Cool. Thank God the cavalry arrived. Thanks all.
And we do have some much lighter movies on the way. Same good production value but not so dark. Just had to get those heavy issues onto film so I could lay them to rest. It's all therapy!
Good Thoughts,
Gary O.
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 2:28PM
^This "Sanatorium" movie does look really good...cast and theme...
no1juliaannfan
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 5:14PM
yeah it would be great to see janine and shall i mention jill kelly back, thanks for the great work tabitha
 
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 5:17PM
I would love to watch a scene with Tabitha and Janine!
MonkeySpank
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 5:58PM
Dear Ms. Stevens:
All discussions of skin color aside, I will be giving this release a miss.
Does a 40 year-old woman who (finally) condescends to allow "men of color" to violate her sexually really serve as a selling point for a video now-a-days?
Porn is chock-full of lovely and luscious young women performing sex acts of every conceivable variation and situation... do you seriously think anyone will be interested to see this over-hyped release based on that one single criteria?
Every performer in every artistic arena will tell you the same thing: leave your audience wanting more--never overstay your welcome.
no1juliaannfan
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 8:27PM
hey guys don't you think jill kelly should come out of retirement, it would be awsome. But we have to respecy her wishes
Doe John
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Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 10:05PM
Sanatorium looks like it's going to be pretty good. Tabitha, you look great and don't worry about all the haters.
Edited by - Doe John on 8/20/2010 10:06:33 PM
sh_rock
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iluvmilfs
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 8:51AM
Hi Tabitha still want 2cu in a blowbang scene sexy lady would luv to see ur sexy face Glazed good!!!!!!!! hope u can make it happen.
thx iluvmilfs
Gary Orona
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 12:52PM
^ In reply to MonkeySpank:
Please allow me to correct you:
"Sanatorium" was shot over a period of five years on 35mm film by an International Award winning mainstream producer/director (that's me) in over 30 locations at an expense of well over $100,000. employing the highest grade film telecine employing numerous well known Rock Stars for the completely ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK. It contains one of the most compelling and topical sub-plots you will ever see in a porn film. It is so detailed and spun into a non-linear format that it will have fans of David Lynch wiggling in their seats. It contains nine (9) scenes which include two of Zero Tolerances stunning contract girls, Sara Sloane and Kagney Linn Karter. It also features super star performers; Raylene, Francesca Le', Ashley Roberts, Nick Manning, Mark Wood, Kris Slater, Ethan Hawk, Ron Jeremy (in a non-sex role) and even Dennis Hof (non-sex role) owner of the Bunny Ranch.
Regarding the soundtrack; legendary guitar God Steve Stevens contributed, Teddy ZigZag (formerly of Guns N Roses) performs, as does Koichi Fukuda of Static X.
The scenes include a four-way, a POV anal, numerous boy/girls, a girl/girl, a POV Blow Job and yes Tabitha's first Interracial scene.
And that's just the beginning, so before you suggest that the only selling point of SANATORIUM is Tabitha's first IR perhaps you should DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
You have no idea how much blood, sweat and tears went into a production like this over so many years. I've produced entire seasons of shows for HBO that were easier than this ONE movie... so NO TABITHA'S FIRST IR ISN'T THE ONLY THING IN THIS MOVIE!!!!
I'm ultra proud of this movie because it almost killed me. SO SHUT UP UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'm getting sick and tired of absolute losers preaching disinformation when so many of us work ourselves to the brink of insanity to try to put out good work. To those out there sitting behind keyboards spitting out lies... hell has a special place waiting for you.
Gary Orona

Gary Orona
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 1:15PM
And by the way MonkeySpank, Tabitha created the thread because she's been hounded by her fans wanting information and looking forward to her IR scene. She's constantly asked, "when will it be out, when will it be out." Tabitha is a great person, she responds to her fans.
SHE WASN'T HPYING THE MOVIE SHE WAS ANSWERING HER FANS!
All this in the best of spirit.
But like any devious, fork-tongued politician, you had to go and SPIN it didn't you?
Karma (or whatever you want to call it) will no doubt someday visit you for your false Evangelism. You might want to spread a little cheer out into the world to offset it.
G
90nine55
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 2:22PM
Gary I saw the trailer to you and Tabitha's film. It looks so awesome; great stars and beautiful film quality from what I saw! I sure hope you decide to make several more soon. Does this have Tabitha's suspension in it?
Love the idea of Tabitha and Janine, please get her to do something with you!
Gary Orona
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 2:26PM
Yes she did.
Edited by - Gary Orona on 8/21/2010 2:33:04 PM
 
Draxxx
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 2:26PM
Damn Gary, I had no idea you guys were working on this so long and that much went into the production. From what little I've seen of it, it looks like your hard work paid off. But I have to ask if this was a special project or is most of your Porn work with Tabitha big extraganzas (I haven't seen the vampire movie)? Do you do smaller porn projects? Is another big budget movie coming from you two soon?
Oh, and with your connections, can't you two manage a deal wih HBO or SHOWTIME to do some sort of reality show starring Tabitha? I think it would make for some interesting televison.
Gary Orona
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 2:47PM
That's funny you ask. Major mainstream networks were considering a Reality TV show based around Tabitha a year or two ago. At the end of the day they said that they could give a convicted murderer their own show before they could give a porn star their own show!
Wow. It hit us like a rock. In America a person who kills another person can get their own show but NOT a porn star. It's been said America is basically a warlike culture... there you have it. Violence, good... sex, bad.
It's okay for a porn star to be in an ensemble cast like when Ron Jeremy was on The Surreal Life, or Sasha now in Entourage but they cannot be the central star.
HBO (Pay Cable) is a different beast altogether. They don't have the same censorship limits but they're extremely limited in the amount of shows they can do. Although Cinemax has finally embraced their late night erotic shows, they prefer scripted programming (I agree with them on that). We're not doing shows with HBO/Cinemax right now because I've already been down that path for many years.
Tabitha and I are committed to exploring new untapped territory!
Good Thoughts,
Gary O.
MonkeySpank
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 3:59PM
Three points that dearly need to be made:
1. The title of the thread is: "My FIRST interracial scene about to be released" as though the world were sitting on the edge of its seat waiting for this one event.
2. The apparent fact that someone dislikes the idea or the concept behind selling a movie about a performer who, after 15 years in the business, finally condescends to perform an interracial scene, earns that person the label of "hater" is entirely objectionable--if that is our opinion, we are entitled to that opinion as well as the free expression thereof.
3. My own 25-year career has brought me a great deal of satisfaction and that has come with considerable effort, sweat, and, dare I say, occasional moments of madness. Nonetheless I'm proud of my accomplishments as you, Mr. Orona, have every right to be of yours.
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Draxxx
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Posted - Aug 21 2010 : 8:32PM
You refuse to acknowledge what's been pointed out to you. Lots of people have been asking Tabitha when she's goiong to do IR. This site in particular seems overly concerned with IR as we clearly see from your preoccupation with the subject. Tabitha announced here that the movie containing her first IR scene is about to be released. I'm still trying to figure out why that's such a horrible thing. No, the world isn't on the edge of it's seat but many of Tabitha's fans are interested. You obviously don't care and that's fine but I don't get your burning need to repeatedly tell us you don't care or don'tlike it.
You're free to dislike anything you please. Just as we're free to call you a "hater" and point out that we don't agree with your opinions or even point out you're pissing on a thread that others were enjoying before you came along. I can also give the opinion that not everyone shares your views on when it's right or wrong for a person to make the choices they do when it comes to their careers. I also have the opinion that most normal adjusted people who don't like something merely ignore it if it isn't causing anyone any harm. My opinion is most normally adjusted people realize the world doesn't revolve around what they want or like and realize other people are free to make the decisions that they feel works best for them. It's my opinion that if a person doesn't like the food at a restaurant it's pretty ridiculous of them to take time out of their day to repeatly go back there and tell them you don't like the food. It's my opinion that they aren't going change anything for someone they see as a goofball so it's a complete and total waste of time for that goofball even though that goofball will refuse to see it.
Good for you. What you should do now is video tape yourself a work and name your accomplishments so Gary and Tabitha can tell you what they don't like about your career choices and job performance. I know you're all for it because you couldn't possibly be one of those "give it but can't take it back" type of guys. Epecially since you're all about the freedom for people to express their opinions.
WisePaul
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Posted - Aug 22 2010 : 9:03PM
You are talking as if white fans don't have any influence in some girls' reluctance to do IR. You should read comments people leave under IR scenes on tube sites. Money this, monkey that...and references to bestiality. That is a sad reality. You would think we are in the 1700s.
WisePaul
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Posted - Aug 22 2010 : 9:07PM
Don't even get me started on hate mails (sometimes threats) these girls get for doing IR. You can deny it all you want but that is the reality. For some reason nobody likes to talk about that.
Irex
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Posted - Aug 23 2010 : 9:55AM
Let me just make a few points here:
unlike myself and many others on this board, Tabitha is a public personality. She makes TV appearances, radio show appearances, has a website, etc...
Her income at least partially, depends on promotion, just so people know the product is out there. So even if she comes on just to "discuss" something, it's still pretty much hyping, even if it's indirect. It's a product that she's a part of,there's no getting around that.
I don't see how that's a bad thing, but it's also somewhat silly to act like it's not the case.
As for the dreaded saving IR topic, it's too easy to just drop the "racist" tag and paint someone with a brush that will stain them forever.
Saving IR is a decision I do not like on the part of many girls, it's an unprovable career extending path (Nina Hartley's been doing it since early in her career, doesn't seem like she needs any tricks saved in her bag, to keep her twenty five or thirty year long career going?).I could quote the careers of a hundred other girls, but it would be pointless as their experiences don't dovetail with Tabitha's.
But is it racist?
No, I don't think a girl has to be a racist to avoid IR for so many years.
But here is my problem, if you're making the decision because white fans wouldn't like it, then you're putting the interests of your white fans ahead of your black fans (which as a black porn consumer makes me feel like my money is somehow worth less to you).
If you're doing it because saving IR lengthens your career then again I feel like my money is somehow worth less to you (why not save anal for the last year of your career? Or do something crazy like no girl/girl for the first few years? Any "first" is gonna be a gamechanger. Why for so many girls is it 'save IR until you're nearly forty or more').
But no, for so many porn queens, it's 'save IR for the last ride before retirement.' Think about this, if I were a fan of Tabitha's from her first film and I was fifty when her first scene came out, I have to wait until I'm receiving social security benefits before I see her first Interracial scene.
Nearly four presidents could be elected in the time it's taking for her first IR scene to come out.
That just seems like a long time to me.
So to reiterate, because I'm sure there are those who will try to twist this statement.
I don't think girls who save IR are necessarily racist.
I think Tabitha has every right to promote projects, but also as a public personality should be willing to accept a different scrutiny than those who don't make their money in the public limelight.
I think she has every right to "pace" her career, but given every time you hear that it almost always refers to BM/WF, doesn't that seem to be porn code for save IR for last, which seems to be more of a mentality than an actual proven strategy (i.e. in baseball when hitters going to the American League at the end of their career so they can DH- that's a proven working strategy).
So there's my statement. Have at it...Please show me the same courtesy of no expletives and other puerile name calling.
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Posted - Aug 23 2010 : 10:35AM
This thread is about a movie, not a place for any of you to judge whether or not someone is a racist. Continue with the movie discussion or don't post.
Irex
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Posted - Aug 24 2010 : 2:35AM
The thread is already pretty corrupted. might as well just close it, because i doubt it'll get any less volatile with the next few responses...
 
cole37
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Posted - Sep 4 2010 : 5:33AM
Do you have any other IR movies planned Tabitha?
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georgez
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is this for real? i'm starting to get my doubts
tabithastevens
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Posted - Sep 4 2010 : 1:45PM
The FINAL scene to my career is a GANG BANG. Yes, both black and white men will be in this scene. I am going to promote that HEAVILY as well. So PACING for me works. Every girl is different. I come from a time (1995) where most of the girls were told to pace themselves if they wanted longevity with their careers. My first movie was for Vivid in a Raquel Darrian title. I know that back then contract girls paced their careers as well.
Yes, times have changed and many of the newer girls do pretty much everything. I can only name a few girls with BIG names that are newer and are STILL in this business. Many girls now, come in, do everything and then leave. Are you part of our porn community? Do you hear all of the girls complaining that there is NO work for them because they have already done everything that there is to do and companies want to hire girls that have NOT done specific scenes yet? Yep, it's true. My husband and I own a production company and we are asked not to shoot girls that have been pretty much shot out. If I were shooting a show that called for an anal scene let's say, I'd hire the girl that was going to do her first anal ~ ESPECIALLY if it were a legend in our business who's fans were waiting to see her first anal. That makes TOTAL sense to me. Giving your fans something that they haven't seen you do yet. Now that's EXCITING.
I have ALWAYS made a BIG deal over something NEW (other than the norm sex scene) that was shot. On the box cover of these movies it reads :Tabitha Stevens's FIRST.............
I'm done explaining myself. Watch the film if you'd like. If not, I won't be offended.
Enjoy the weekend and be safe :-).
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Draxxx
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Posted - Sep 4 2010 : 3:42PM
Hey!!! I thought you said you were going to be around doing movies for awhile. As much as I'd like to see that gang bang I hope it doesn't happen for awhile so I hope you downshift your "pacing" and slow down and do some more movies before planning your final scene. You've got more ground to cover first. If I recall correctly you owe us some DP, rimming and more IR. It's crazy for you to talk final scenes when you're looking better than ever and up to trying new things. I think you owe to your fans and legacy to do a DP or two and show off that firm, toned and smooth ass. Bury that sexy face between the buttcheeks of a few guys and girls. Let some more black studs take a ride on the hot Tabby Train. At the very least have Gary do an all Tabitha scenes movie where you do most of this stuff before you go. Come on...don't make me beg.
Oh yeah, can't wait to buy SANATORIUM next week.
tabithastevens
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Posted - Sep 4 2010 : 5:02PM
I'm Not quitting just yet. My FINALE will be my Gang Bang. There's more to CUM ;). Gary will be directing all of my scenes as will Mike Quasar. No need to beg my friend~XO.Tabitha_Bedroom.jpg
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Draxxx
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Posted - Sep 4 2010 : 9:20PM
^ Wow! Look at you all sexy with the tight abs.
Aleister LaRocque
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Posted - Sep 5 2010 : 6:18PM
Tabitha, you think big. So you have and will continue to have a long career. I root for it!
Can not wait to see you in a blowbang as Massive Facials, Feeding Freenzy or Sperm Receptacle, with many guys cumming in your face.
Tabitha, you're awesome!
alfan
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Posted - Sep 5 2010 : 10:09PM
I have been a Tabitha fan for years and for sure am glad to see her still working and enjoying her work. She even seemed to love working with Ron Jeremy many times...wow.. I read all the back and forth points and can understand where those posters points of view came from.
But, since I like TS soooo much, I am just glad she is doing content and let me say.....she is still one of the best at what she does and for that I want to say to Tabitha.....I intend to support anything you do....so keep rocking..!!!
Edited by - alfan on 9/5/2010 10:13:49 PM
Edited by - alfan on 9/5/2010 10:14:55 PM
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Newport
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Posted - Sep 7 2010 : 11:28PM
Great pic, Tabitha, and as always you look RAVISHING!
Kudos to you and Gary for what looks to be an absolute Masterpiece. The trailer for Sanatorium rocks. If ever a porn film can be called a "labor of love," this certainly has to be it.
You probably get tired of hearing it, Tabitha, but you are a beautiful woman, both inside and out. You are unquestionably hot, but you are also radiant. Your inner beauty shines through your sparkling eyes. And it does not get mentioned often enough, but as a fan who has met you in person, I must say that you have an absolutely amazing SENSE OF HUMOR!
Your ability to "laugh it off" enables you to put up with the BS of people like Motown. I am so sorry that a jackass like him, with a huge CHIP on his shoulder, has to come on this thread to try to ruin a great moment for you and Gary, the release of your most interesting and artistic film.
I can't wait to see your blockbuster, Tabitha, and as always I wish you all the best.
P.S. I hope that you never, ever, call it "quits" for good. Please take some time to enjoy yourself, travel, bask in your family life, but pop back now and then for the fans who adore you.
Always your fan,
Newport
Irex
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Posted - Sep 22 2010 : 11:17PM
I only wrote for the industry for several years (including magazines such as Adam Film World) and wasn't involved in the actual shooting but from my personal experience, the girls who connected to the fans tended to have long careers regardless of what they've shot.
I don't think Nina Hartley's or Tiffany Mynx's careers would've been much more celebrated if they'd been more limited in what they shot. Jewel DeNyle became more popular as she expanded her horizons, as did Bella Donna. Sometimes, the more open and unleashed a girl becomes in her career, the more popular she becomes overall. I think a combination of performance, looks and charisma is the biggest factor in a girl's overall long term success. After all, I can name any number of beautiful porn girls who simply fade out because they don't have that star quality.
Of course, a first is always awesome and will garner more money, but giving out a specialty act in small doses works for popular girls as well. I mean, Lisa Ann did her first IRs over ten years ago. She retired, came back, retired and then came back full bore. Her new scenes still sell exceptionally well because guys just like her, in my opinion.
I think that intangible factor that makes a girl a star with the audience is more important than any unprovable method of pacing.
I'm not calling anybody out or saying anything nasty, simply providing a counterpoint to an argument on the board. I hope anybody reading considers both sides of this coin...
Johnny Chicago
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 2:21PM
Yeah...
I don't think I've ever chimed in on this whole "racism" thing in porn, but here goes:
It's very much true that most White women in porn back in the day were told that "going Black" was death to their "career."
White women are 90% of the porn market, and we like to watch them do unbelievable things on screen for our sexual jollies. There are thousands of porn girls out there, and only in the last 5 years the Black porn market is becoming just lucrative enough for SOME of the White women holdouts to then "do IR," because it's all about $$$ for them, plain and simple.
Besides, very rarely do you hear about or even meet ANY women in porn who actually LIKE being rodded out like a stuffed-up toilet twice a day, sometimes for 2 or more weeks at a time? I tell you one thing, as long as the fat grimy hands are out holding cum-drenched hundred dollar bills for them to grab, these same women will take it, fuck and suck whoever (and whatever) they have put in front of them, and then move on. It's a formula that has worked forever, and that's why it's called a BUSINESS.
These same women really don't give a shit about "the fans", do they? Do you ever hear of "a fan" marrying Little Miss Cumbucket and taking her and her plastic tits home to mother? NO!
Porn is for our sexual gratification, and they are nothing but pink props and actors on their knees for our money.
Now as far as "doing IR" is concerned? Who gives a shit, really? Some of these women have had enough crappy experiences with White men, fucking and sucking off sadists, 'tards and morons, but who just happen to have the same pigmentation as them for a long time.
"Doing IR" is nothing more than a choice - just like Matt Ramsey/Peter North did when he stopped getting butt-fucked by hung studs for money on camera and moved to banging Traci Lord's underaged ass.
It comes to the actual question posed a while back: Tabitha Stevens wants to NOW fuck/suck men who don't have her skin color, and...?
Let's do a reality check here a moment.
Should she have done it 15 years ago? Some would say maybe.
Would anyone have cared, really? Probably not.
Tabitha is not the problem here, let's put the blame where it belongs: on the "industry" and the "fans" for stigmatizing young poor White girls against doing it in the first place, because the cash holders (guess who again) couldn't make real $$$ profits off of it, and because of their racist beliefs they said NO NO NO. And maybe - MAYBE - there have been one or two girls in the past (or even now) who just simply won't do it because they themselves don't want to fuck Black men. So? Who cares? Don't watch their shit, then.
If I was a girl going into porn, and getting paid stank money to get banged/almost raped repeatedly and helplessly, choked out, spit on, pissed on, gangbanged, had 12 inch dildos shoved up my ass etc. and than after all that take a greasy salty cumshot in the eyes and face EVERY DAY (or at least every other day), and then pretend to like all of that on film for everyone to see?
Well, I'd like to think I can have a bit of control on who can or can't shit on me.
Maybe Tabitha just didn't want to do it until now - remember, back in her day, the great porn movies and stars were at their peak, and it's was all still mostly pale white sex everywhere and on the shelves - the black porn was still considered "specialty stuff" and NEVER put next to the other "good" stuff up front. Maybe she just didn't put too much stock into the bullshit surrounding it.
Now up until recently almost EVERYONE is banging someone who is not their racial makeup because there is GOOD MONEY in it. In this economy porn has taken a hit, and they still are. Sure they're still making big $$$, but does the talent get it? NOPE.
Now I can download TONS of stuff online if I want to, but I don't. I like to buy my stuff when I want it, and the porn places in Chicago - where you can actually walk in and browse at your leisure - are drying up.
All in all I'm gonna stand on two things for sure:
1) Tabitha Stevens has had a shitstorm of stuff happen in her life, both good and bad, and it's well-publicized. She seems on paper to be a down-to-earth gal and "doing IR" for her seems to be a natural progression since coming back to porn a few years ago. Look at Nina Hartley, she is one of a group of older women (like Tabitha) who are still popular enough to stay in porn and still make a good living off of it. "Doing IR" doesn't seem to have hurt Nina - Hell, I still want her! - but of course she did it back in the late 80's/early 90's and to be honest that was her natural progression. This was Tabitha's time, and so maybe it took her a little longer to come around to it, but in the end who gives a shit? I say: leave her the fuck alone. She's back making movies and doing scenes and if the $$$ is good enough for her now to be "doing IR", and has to be announced like the Second Coming? Well, you'll still pay good money to see it, even if the Black cock in her was White, because porn is porn is porn, and she'll still be fucking and sucking long after all this bullshit has died down here. Tabitha, go get that fucking paper, girl, and stay healthy.
2) As to "doing IR" in porn in general? It's old hat to many of us, and blaming anyone who hasn't done it or isn't going to do it sounds just as racist as the rants themselves for or against it sound, and if any girl doesn't want to take cock in her based on race, well then she's a piece of shit. If this applies to Tabitha, I don't know. I can apply this whole argument to about 25 other porn girls in the past who never did it their entire careers, does this make them less jerkoff worthy? Have you turned your backs on Christy Canyon simply because she won't take a cumshot or do anal? Yeah, try and do that...
In the end, one thing is true: I think this entire thread is fucked.
Tabitha Stevens did an IR scene. I'll be honest, big deal.
Now I'll support any porn girls, White or otherwise, and her right to either fuck or not fuck men outside their race, because
A)I don't own a pussy, and
B)it's not a racist thing in porn, it's a $$$ thing, and rule number one in porn is don't mess with a girl's cash flow. It's simply business.
However, If I personally knew any White girl in porn who went out of their way to avoid Black cock for ANY reason? I'd say fuck them and boycott their stupid ass and bankrupt them.
Now, as a personal note to Tabitha herself:
Tabitha, if you are reading this (and judging by the thread, you are a frequent visitor), you are a legend in the porn community, and you've been around a long while. However, your reasoning to singularly announce an "IR scene" on this site when you should have announced the entire film FIRST in the heading, well that was a misstep.
Since I've watched the entire movie (including all the bonus stuff, the interview, etc. on the second disc), I'm gonna have to be honest here when I say that I saw no real differences between you and Tyler Knight or you and Nick Manning's scenes. It was two very standard scenes of two people having sex and I expected more, but it turned out ho hum for me.
I think the whole buildup about it - and your announcement of it - let me down. Still, you've had a hell of a career - I wish you nothing but success in everything you do.
Now to everyone else who still feels the need to complain or argue about it...
Fuck off, let the shit go, and go fuck someone you love.
Edited by - Johnny Chicago on 9/23/2010 3:05:20 PM
Draxxx
Senior Member

3831 Posts
2/07
Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 9:56PM
You're entitled to your opinion but I thought Tabitha's scene with Tyler was much hotter and erotic than her scene with Nick or any of the other scenes in the movie. Tabitha looked much more into him and seemed to into the sex with him than with the other performers. I think Tabitha would be doing herself and her fans a disservice if she didn't do another scene or 3 with Tyler again. Even Gary was impressed with him.
SANATORIUM was an interesting movie to watch. It's the first time I ever watched a whole porn film in one sitting beginning to end. It was very visually stylish and interesting. Even though there were times I didn't quite get where the story was going, it was interesting enough to keep me watching. It was cool seeing the different locations and all the different looks Tabitha sported in the film. It was stylish, bizzare, compelling, sexy and quirky all at the same time. Visually, it was the best looking porn movie I've ever seen. It's a shame that this movie didn't come out earlier in a healthier market wher it would've probably enjoyed better sales and a bigger audience. That said...it's not a porn movie for everyone. It's the polar opposite of a typical Gonzo movie.
Tabitha and Gary did some great work on this.
tabithastevens
Member

Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210,
264 Posts
7/09
Posted - Sep 24 2010 : 2:58PM
WOW! Thank you So Much for your kind words Draxxx! FINALLY, someone who fully appreciates our hard work and style. What many people forget is that this is a FEATURE Film and NOT a gonzo movie so the sex scenes aren't supposed to be gratuitous , they are supposed to feel REAL and go with the flow of the story. Now the anal scene that I did in the film was sloppy and filled with dirty talk ~ that's because that scene called for it. I too agree that my scene with Tyler Knight was more intense than the scene I did with Nick Manning. I fully connected with Tyler. My scene with Nick was great too. I thought that ALL of the scenes were great.
What many people do not know is that I did ALL of my wardrobe ~ yes, I even created and hand made my costumes. So much time, energy, hard work and love was put into this film.
Agreed, many people will NOT understand our film and that's okay :-). We just want to put out the most stunning looking films that our industry has ever seen!
www.tabithastevens.com
cole37
Member

31 Posts
10/09
Posted - Sep 25 2010 : 5:35AM
So when is your next IR Tabitha. You said you were going to shoot an IR Blowbang and IR DP.
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