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Dan
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Posted - Feb 1 2008 : 10:42AM
I've just come accross an article in the mainstream media which says that the popularity of a new porn website is due to the fact that it shows 'natural sex'. But then the article goes on to say that this website "encourages input from site visitors. Fans can post a suggestion in the forums and find themselves discussing it with a director within hours. The shoot might even begin the next day.
Staffers develop a scenario for each shoot, but let the sexual energy build organically. The performers decide what to do and when to do it."
www.wired.com
Having sex for the camera doesn't look like 'natural sex' to me. Privacy from prying eyes is what most people usually seek when they want to have sex.
But the fact that this website is responsive to the fans and tries to show what they want to see perhaps has something to do with its popularity. This and perhaps the freedom for its porn stars to be individualistic and spontaneous in their sex acts. Instead of becoming sex-caricatures of other people's minds, these sex actors are free to express themselves and create real works of sex-art.
When people are free to be creative like that. Then its only inevitable that some of them will turn out to be Leonardo Da Vinci's, Michelangelo's, and Picasso's of porn.
zorge
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278 Posts
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Posted - Feb 1 2008 : 12:37PM
I bet Picasso would have made a good porn director. He certainly liked him some ladies, but the performers would have to be wary of getting paid in sketches and autographs. I don't think I'd like Michaelangelo as a director, though, his work would probably be too "couples-feature" oriented.
zorge
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Posted - Feb 1 2008 : 12:47PM
I have seen a few Abbywinters dvds, but I never join websites. They've been the only girl-on-girl (I haven't seen the solo girl videos) stuff I've really gotten into, and they do have a more or less "natural" feel to them, that's their marketing niche, anyway. Cute young girls that have a non-pro feel to them and take their time in their scenes. That sort of "nervous energy" of a new girl in front of the camera that the article talks about seems to be a lot of what they go for.

caroline-NL
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Posted - Feb 1 2008 : 3:10PM
Dan wrote:
"Staffers develop a scenario for each shoot, but let the sexual energy build organically. The performers decide what to do and when to do it."
Sounds to me like a contradiction. If "staffers" develop a scenario, then it isnt any longer in the hands of the performers.
It isnt really natural any longer.
"Having sex for the camera doesn't look like 'natural sex' to me."
Wouldnt say that. You dont have to have
sex FOR the camera, but only before a camera.
Ive met girls who didnt thought about the camera after a few minutes, but also girls, that were turned on by it.
But they had exactly the same sex they had in their private life. Many with their "real life" partners. Abby Winters is a good example. But Abby Winters concept will not work, if fans tell: "Please do it on the table, instead of a bed" etc. Because they wouldnt like it. ( I assume ). Many fans write: " We need men in Abby Winters porn ",
sounds like a threat to lesbian girls. And even many bi-sexual girls prefer to shoot with girls.
"Instead of becoming sex-caricatures of other people's minds, these sex actors are free to express themselves and create real works of sex-art."
Art sounds a litte highbrow, these porn movies arent the mainstream, but they exist. It has nothing to do with art. Our dutch video company "Video Art Holland" had many, many porn movies in this style, it was excellent porn, but not art.
But wasnt it Joseph Beuys who said:
" Everybody is an artist ", so it is relative.
zorge
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Posted - Feb 1 2008 : 3:22PM
I have a feeling Joseph Beuys would probably make very confusing pornography.
 
Kensington Chapp
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Mine is the biggest.
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Posted - Feb 1 2008 : 6:38PM
I like pornography.
caroline-NL
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3/07
Posted - Feb 2 2008 : 11:30AM
Yes, but he died in Jan.86. Sadly he cant try this out anymore. I especially liked his " Sun instead of Reagan " ( "Sonne statt Regen" ) song, that even entered the german hitparade.
In the USA his project: "Coyote: I like America and America likes me", is well known.
I think WIREDs theory is partly true, more and more customers want "natural" porn - especially women. This market will grow, but it will not dominate the US porn market.
Dan
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 2:34PM
Whether something is art or not is a matter of opinion and subjective judgement. But the purpose of all art is to impress people's minds and emotions in some way, including an erotic way, the way all porn films try to do.
Perhaps all porn is art. But not all porn is good art. Good porn art is something that shows a lot more than just the physical sex-act. It shows lust, lewdness, wantonness, promiscuity, fornication, debauchery, and a few other hard to define sex-concepts that become obvious when you see them in action.

ntfighter
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 12:26PM
caroline-NL
Member

543 Posts
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 4:36PM
No, take it, its yours. ;-)
nandology
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 4:48PM
What does Gonzo Porn mean? Is that like amateurs ??
Shagdog
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Houston
626 Posts
1/07
Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 5:11PM
We all know how to fuck. And hopefully turn each other on. You don't need a porn directer telling you how to fuck.
It looks to me like an experienced professional male porn star should be able to.
1 Turn on the girl and himself for a hot scene.
2 Get the most out of her sexually.
3 present her to the camera.
4 The goal being getting her to cum as many times as possible before he shoots.
The director/cameraman and the talent should be able to sit down and discuss what they want to do in the shoot. Then just let them fuck and an experienced director/cameraman should be able to keep up.

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