The whole lighting issue is, for me, part of the forbidden aesthetic that JT is aiming for in most of his films. I know you dig on JM American Bukkake films, but I just can't stand them because there's no fucking in those films and they're "over-lit" (lol).

Ceck out some of his earlier films for the "well-lit" stuff (they are slowly being re-vamped/re-mastered for dvd).

Is it because there is a woman on woman dynamic in those films you respond to? Do you find substantial differences between a woman being "degraded" by being covered in urine/vomit/excrement versus cum? They're all body excretions, right?

And no, I'm not one of those "eewww, the body and it's sinful functions" types. Just confused. To be honest, it's not the bukkake part of these films that gets me off.

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strange, I wrote a long reply to your question,
but it must have been lost in cyberspace.

"What is the difference or missing element that is/are in the(se) Japanese films (and that you respond to) that is missing from JT films (I've noted your appreciation of mfx video as well)?"

The difference lies clearly on the hand,
in women-degrading porn, the women are "used", they are
passive, like puppets, they are insulted and treated badly.

GGG etc. is the "best" ( worst ) example.
Its just primitive junk. The faked interviews, macho talking by Mr.Thompson ( or you can insert Max Hardcore ).
I think men ( I dont know one single women enjoying GGG or
666 ) who watch this, have an inherent hate against women.
Its the same with "King of Realism", and I have a japanese girlfriend who translated his "monologues".
And I am not talking from an arrogant point of view, saw not only one GGG/666/Sexbox, but watched a dozen ones to get a representative picture.
It is all the same. If this would be my first encounter with
porn, I would be a typicial feminist hating and fighting against porn.

I want to watch porn movies, where the girls
( and the men ) are treated with respect. I want to see them enjoying the sex. And if they are sometimes testing out their limits,
as it is the case in some extreme porn movies, I want, that their motivations are genuine. Not only, because a scat scene is paid better, but because she wants to test out her limit.
The first wave of MFX - mostly - had this. The last ones were the exact opposite. Formulated and mechanic sex.
No emotion, no passion, the actresses moved like marionettes.

There are many, many really good japanese porn movies,
but also veeery bad ones, full of hate and degrading.

For extreme porn, I liked some from Borderline Productions
(great name !). There is also stuff on this label, where money seems to be the only motivation, but also very
great stuff.

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Also, are you sure you're a radical feminist? They get a bad rap through the media, but there are also a few radicals that support incest as it's "sex with someone close to you that you love, who will teach you about it." I can understand the logic behind this, but sex with kids (under 18) is the only thing I can't justify. Especially when they have no idea what's going on.

Anyway, thanks for the insight.

Best,

Kierkegaard.

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thanks for your insightfull answer.

"that macho talk goes right over my head."
JT isnt stupid, he doesnt subtitles his interviews.
But in the sex itself, you can see this macho thing.

The girls head is brought down and then the man cries:
"Suck ! You bitch ! You are scum ! Suck !"

GGG is the perfect example of "Deutschporn" ( its a synonyme
for bad porn - porn from Germany ).

Annette is a pretty women and I think she does golden shower, because she is really liking it. But this is all totally destroyed by the other circumstances of these movies. In fact, JT or other "directors", like Max Hardcore,
they really dont want it, that it looks, as if the women enjoy it. Its a sort of demonstrating the force. Men commanding (stupid) women. And that he pays bad, is also
typical.

Your explaination MAKES sense. woman-hate is often the result of uncertainty and male weakness.

Many men fear attractive AND intelligent women.
And they fear it even more, if a women has a strong sex drive and is interested in more unusual sex acts.

The last boyfriend I had in Germany, long ago, watched
endless volumes of Golden Shower Videos. But when I wanted
to perform this with him, he dont wanted it.
I think many men watch sex acts they never would do.
Porn is a sort of compensation and daydreaming.

For me it was an inspiration to try something new.
I dont like to watch things I dont want to experience sooner
or later.

"See, I think this is where I missed your point of view as I've only seen the later MFX stuff, not the early stuff."

Look at the first two vomit movies or the classics with
Carol and many others.

"We watched one porn where only two guys jacked off of a woman's face and she looked at me and said "that's disgusting." I can only imagine her reaction to 30 guys. "

Thats very strange. You are scandinavian, or ?
In Denmark I met and know many women who are enjoying and collecting porn. Some even had ( mail order ) stores.

"Also, are you sure you're a radical feminist?"
Yes, I am. Normal feminist dislike porn. I like them,
so I am radical. ( serious : There was always a branch
of pro-porn feminists. The women movement demanded free sexuality for all women. I have met many dutch girls that
lived out their free sexuality in porn. If you would ask them, they would answer, that they are feminists. )

I have mixed feelings with incest ( brother/sister ),
because if they have kids, the rate of complications
of the new born children is very high. You only have to read Mendel.

"but sex with kids (under 18) is the only thing I can't justify. Especially when they have no idea what's going on."

I cant justify sex with kids also, but 15-17 year olds are no kids. In Denmark, you were a kid if you were under 15,
in NL if you were under 12. Now they changed that, but I dont think it is ok to criminalize sex with and among
older teenagers.
I think an old Seventeen Video with 16-year old teen girls enjoying theirselves is much more justifiable, than a GGG video where a desperate 18-year old girl, broke because of excessive mobile telephone debts, and needing the money badly, is thrown into a crowd of 30 man pissing in her mouth, and she is only bearing the "procedure".

It is an ironic but sad note, that the 18-regulations
truncated and nearly killed the good labels in NL and DK, that had excellent production conditions, but that the bad labels now can treat the women worser than before.
Because they are 18, nobody seems to care.

To summarize this up :
You no longer rent/buy GGG, because they pay so badly ?

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