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oatmeal
Meat Popsicle


Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 12:28PM
I'm thinking about hooking my xbox up to the internet. I Currently have an old Netgear router and have to run a cable out the door and down the hall. Perfect use for wireless right?

I've looked at what would be involved and the wireless router is simple (forward any suggested makes good at transmitting through walls) but the connection at the xbox is not.

A couple of companies sell high priced wireless networking adapters. Do you have to go with that solution or is there a cheaper way to do this?

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 1:16PM
A word of caution.
A gaming crazy friend tried this, and his ping times went up considerably.
It helped a little when he exchanged the cheap shite router for a better brand, but it was still not acceptable to him.

I haven't tried it myself, so it's just second hand info, but perhaps worth reading up on before you go for it.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 1:33PM
I wonder if it has something to do with people looking for insecure modded xboxes? Most of the operating systems have built in ftp servers and a common password.

I realize there are tons of security risks with wireless routers if you don't configure them properly. My big problem will be going through a bunch of walls with as little signal loss as possible.


Edited by - oatmeal on 1/28/2005 1:36:24 PM

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 2:03PM
I didn't mean ping counts as in hacking attempts, thought that might be another concern.

I meant his ping times. Isn't that what the lag rating is called in the server list of 1st person shooters?

The wireless hardware introduced a noticeable lag.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 2:33PM
Your terminology is right... I misunderstood.

You can get some brutal network speeds (ping rates) using wireless. I've tried it a couple of times (using Dlink and Microsoft routers) and found it unacceptable. There are some newer routers that have promise.

I live in a high-rise condo with lots of walls, concrete, microwaves and 2.4 GHz phones to screw with the signal strength.

 
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Your other left
14594 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 3:06PM
Any wireless router can transmit through your average home wall. Wireless is affected by other devices propagating signals in the same range though, like your microwave oven. Fortunately, the signal strength falls off quickly, so as long as you're not too close your wireless will work. However, distance will also affect the speed of your connection to the wireless uplink. In other words, you might get an 802.11b wireless router rated at 11Mbps, but find that you can only get 6Mbps because of where you put the router in relation to your Xbox. If you have a cable modem, then your ISP connection is rated at 10Mbps (whether you actually get that or not is another story), so our theoretical 6Mbps wireless connection is a potential bottleneck.

Here's a page that lists varies wireless protocols available for home use. Read up on this and you'll be able to make a good decision.

PS - Wireless also tends to be very unsecure, so I wouldn't recommend it if you're doing anything you wouldn't want the neighbors to know about, or if you've got a potential script kiddie living next door.

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 3:09PM
the easiest way to do it is probably dropping the 100-ish bucks for a gaming adapter and setting it up with no changes to defaults other than wep/wpa.

i don't actually own an xbox, so i can't make a recommendation for a specific adapter but i'd go for a good wds-enabled bridge so you'd have something with an internal radio that you could plug into any computer and use it as a wireless client adapter in the future.

for a cheap router nothing comes close to the hardware on the linksys wrt54gs(broadcom 200mhz/32mb) and it's running a linux kernel and can be flashed to adjust the tx/rx power on the antennas by grabbing the hyperwrt.org firmwares. you can safely get double the dbm as any other consumer-grade router.
you also can get the linksys wrt54g/gs to work in client mode, though it might be bulky.

for over 100, MIMO is the way to go. the stuff out there isn't going to be real -N compliant, but it's going to be a year and a half before it's finalized. basically, the linksys, belkin, dlink stuff out there are b/g-compliant routers with wildly better antenna-technology. i've been playing around with a belkin pre-n got on sale for 90 bucks and i get better range without needing a pre-n client card than with the juiced-up linksys and the big antennas i put on it. i'd consider getting a couple of the 5+dbm antennas, i've had the best luck with the 15dbm corner antennas. the one on the router will work best placed up high and obviously away from obstructions. directional ones can work better than omnis if you're going to be able to manage to point them at each other's direction. it's basically flashlight versus candle in terms of width of pattern, really long runs need directionals, most people will be fine with omnis and not surveying and adjusting too much.

there must be a gaming adapter with PoE, if you want to get rid of cords.

about the xbox-router connection i'm pretty sure you want to forward a port in the 3000's and 88. it should be explained on the router's web-based config as well as exactly what you want for mac, subnet, etc values. it should probably be in infrastructure by default to be online, but i'd assume you can set it to adhoc for your comp.

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Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 3:09PM
Microsoft routers? Run away! Run away!
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 3:47PM
It sucked really bad... didn't have proper security and dropped connections.

It was a combo kit (router and notebook adapter) that was cheap... thankfully they had a good return policy.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 3:48PM
Thanks again. I've been tempted by MIMO but it's a little slow to hit store shelves up here.

I'll look into the client mode on that linksys to see if it's what I need.

jcjarra
Member

44 Posts
7/04
Posted - Feb 1 2005 : 10:22AM
Can't you just buy a long ethernet cable and run it straight from the modem to the xbox? If that sounds stupid, sorry. I am not too smart with computers. I blow this one up about once a month. Good thing I got that extra warranty from Best Buy.
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Feb 2 2005 : 11:18AM
that's what I do now when I want to go live with the xbox... just tired of doing it. Besides I'd like to use the media streaming.
jrv
Senior Member

1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - Feb 9 2005 : 3:40AM
Other comments: Your Mileage May Really, Really Vary with wireless. My suggestion is to borrow a notebook with wireless capability and run a program like NetStumbler to see what the RF pollution situation is, especially if you live in an apartment or some other densely-packed hive housing... I have seen as many as a dozen (!) Access Points before.

802.11b/g channels overlap. You need to be at least five channels away to be interference-free. If you have a neighbor with a strong signal on channel 11 then you should choose channel 6 or below.

If your microwave or cordless phones interfere then there's nothing to do but wait for them to turn off.

802.11a channels do not overlap and do not suffer from interference from most consumer electronics (except that 5 GHz cordless phone interfere with some channels). A drawback is that the power output on the standard 802.11a bands is strictly limited, and the FCC generally prohibits detachable antennae on the standard band (there are two other 802.11a bands without these limitations but I know of no hardware for them yet). Even so I try to put clients on 802.11a: the RF pollution problems in 802.11b/g often make 802.11a's real-world range better than b/g.

Reviews I've seen of the Linksys MIMO radio say it does work as advertised. Moreover it has working QoS features for media playback. http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/60067 has links to a couple of reviews.

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Feb 9 2005 : 7:04AM
good taste in websites jrv-the scoop on the MIMO routers is that they're the real deal compared to the rest of the g stuff. the belkin and linksys share exactly the same hardware, according to people who've dissected them and the belkin's 60-90 dollars cheaper since it's been out a while. the belkin i got open-boxed was less than 100, but they're available for around 120, which ends up about the same as a good g router and the serious antennae you'd need to get close to the range and thoroughput. i freed up some space without the antennas and didn't have to fiddle with them to make sure the signal beams worked well.

i thought very little of belkin's hardware, but on the belkin forum on jrv's link their pre-n stuff has gotten almost no negative comments and i just use the AP function for the mimo but it's a definite improvement over an already tweaked linksys wrt54gs and high-gain 14db antenna

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