My second reaction is that they don't have Mike John any more and it's likely to be very obvious when I watch this and NCDA back-to-back.

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This was easy to predict.

Porn is becoming specialized, and now the major studios
are releasing lines that feature swallowing, facials, and cream pies for those fans who want to see their favorite
kink featured in every scene.

Very nice cover for this movie btw.

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At least Private knows how to do great photography, whereas Chico is just medium IQ dude with a semi-pro digicam and a couple of portable lights.

I predict this one will bomb.

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"No Cum Swallowing Allowed"-the ironic thing to me is that if Mike John were the one making this it would be great.

This is quite clearly counterprogramming on one level as well as possible pity jealousy on another. Realistically though, I do not care that much about that. Mike John has said he shoots swallowing because that is what he likes and what he would want to see in a porn tape himself. Chico is saying that he is doing this because he hates swallowing. Well, I don't hate swallowing but I definitely don't share the same affinity for it that Mike does so I was kind of excited to see Chico's title, especially considering that it stars Katin, Dana Vespoli, and Lucy Thai. Then I checked out the trailer. And there is a freakin' part where Chico has three different bullseye circles drawn on Katin's head as targets for the guy. To sum up my reaction to that, let me put it this way...I don't share the same hate for women that he seems to have. If he is going to do shit like that a more apt title would be "cum targets" because that is exactly what these girls are portrayed as being in that trailer. And that is also something that Mike John would thankfully never do because he is a very different kind of director.

That being said I still semi-look forward to seeing this because Chico's "Spring Chickens 6" was great, with his usual crap left on hold. And as I hinted at earlier I can't pass up an anal scene from Dana, a dp from Lucy, and who knows what from Katin. I just don't anticipate being blown away by it like I was by "No Cum Dodging Allowed #2."

Kelly

Since Mike has confirmed that this does seem to appear to be pure grudge on Chico's part let me say this: one clever parodic title and boxcover is not going to eclipse Mike John and not going to elevate Chico's level in the biz. Get back to us when you have made as many awesome titles as John and then we'll listen.

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Chico has a medium IQ? Exactly how did you come to that conclusion?

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Anabolic has been a second-class product at my local smut shop for well over a year now: only half or less of their new releases are stocked, and when stocked they are on the lower shelves. By contrast there are 5-6 studios that get their own section, all releases together, and all or nearly all new releases carried.

Anabolic would do well to consider whether they should spend time worrying about competitor's products or perhaps spend that effort worrying about their own.

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Somewhere waiting for feedback, O.K. Mike I already know yours.

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Will it be released on DVD right away?

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This is a very interesting thread indeed. Not sure exactly where to start but I'll just let a bit of mindless meandering hopefully resolve some of the points made on this thread.

About two months ago, I was dancing with the idea of creating a new line. There's so many swallowing lines out there, I wanted to keep a line all facials, let the title reflect that, and, since most titles end with facials, step it up a notch and tweak with obviosity. I spoke to Cal444 and dicked around with the title "No Swallowing Allowed". There's an inbetweener in an earlier Down The Hatch which Cal444 created called "No Cum Dodging Allowed". When I realized this fact, my movie was born immediately.

Maybe it is a mock. Perhaps it is counter-programming lodged in my subconscious. Whatever it is, this video is not designed to be a grudge against Mike John. I consider him easily the best pornographer in the business and consider DTH #8 the best porn video I have ever seen.

This isn't to say there isn't some mild hostile competition between the two respective companies. I hear things from the other camp all the time. "You can't work there!", "Sinking ship!", "Webmaster directing?", "I won't work for you if you work there!", etc. Now, if that isn't a motivating factor for me, kind of like a linebacker pretending the offensive lineman killed his dog to motivate him, I don't know what is. I'm also sure that recent events have really changed director's outlooks on life but noone here needs to know that. I kept my cool about it for a long time and anybody who know me knows how immediately reactionary I can get. Besides, that's for another forum (lukeford.com) and has no place here.

If we can all engage in friendly competition, the future is brighter for everyone and the past would've been significantly better. If not, we can all play this game and be funny.

There's room for everyone and their vision. I make my movies the way I would like to see porn videos. It may not be for everyone. You start catering to everyone, you water down your own product. Though I have tons of experience shooting Internet content, I'm relatively new at this video shooting game. All I want to do for 2004 is to own my own websites and shoot Diabolic videos I'm proud to put my name on.

That being said, I did put alot of time in this movie. The final running time will max out the DVD at around 3 hours 30+ minutes as Cal & I always try to do. I do hope you enjoy it cause the release date will be early february.

Chico Wang

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I MUCH prefer facials to swallowing, but the trailer for this leaves me a little less than enthused. Maybe because with the exception of the Cris Taliana glazing (That was HOT!), I didn't like any of the girls.

And some didn't look too excited about the whole prospect.

And I can live without the bullseyes on the forehead.

Still like facials better than swallowing though.

BSD

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And I REALLY ain't into cum gargling and spitting\drooling back out.

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I haven't seen a Chico release yet--you never know what craziness is in store! If I don't like it... no harm done.

Mike L.

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MLyons-"I haven't seen a Chico release yet"

I'm not exactly sure why but I have fallen prey to this too Chico's stuff comes under extreme criticism around here. However, I too had never seen any of his actual work but I had this negative opinion of him from the get-go. Then I saw "Spring Chickens #6" and it was really good. Nautica, Serena South, Missy Monroe, and Avena Lee stole the show. However, Chico does throw in some things in his stuff that I wish he wouldn't, like the targets on Katin's forehead for example. In "Spring" there is a highly depressing segment where cute brunette Haley stands in a shower and covers herself as she is belted with eggs. She looks about as happy during it as Dana does when she gets that facial in the trailer for "No Swallowing Allowed." But the actual sex footage that I have seen from Chico is great. And I believe he filmed some of the scenes for "Spring Chickens #5" and those were great too, especially Jennifer Luv's scene. Simply put, I think that trailer showcases some of Chico's weaknesses, such as the Katin and Dana things. If it actually showcased the actual sex I believe "No Swallowing Allowed" would look a lot better to all of us than it does now.

Chico-
I didn't know that you were no longer associated with the meatholes, nightprowler, pissmops, frankwank group of sites. I've been seeing those sites and assuming it was all you. I have probably formed an unfair opinion of you then.

As for "No Swallowing Allowed," again I do like the concept of this line. Back when I first started watching porn I only watched films starring the luscious Taylor St. Claire. So, my introduction to Anabolic/Diabolic didn't come until she did "Nice Rack #6" and "Lewd Conduct #9" there. She did a couple of other ones, of coure, but these were the first ones I saw and they were both Vince Vouyer films. However, they both tried to empathize swallowing over facials, though I think Taylor never did really swallow. Then the more and more stuff I saw the more annoyed I became by Everhard or whatever male performer constantly shooting off straight into the girl's mouth. It is just not my thing. Vouyer and Everhard and Mike John seem to love it. I just tolerate it. And "Spring Chickens #6" definitely had a lot of facials, with poor Missy Monroe clearly not enjoying the massive double facial that effectively glued her eyes shut. However, it is stuff like painting targets on Katin's head, reducing her to a mere object upon which men will shoot cum, that turns me off. Of course, you are not pulling out speculums or peeing on them when their eyes are shut like Max Hardcore so it's not that bad. It's just a turn-off for me, similar to how I felt when seeing Haley pelted with eggs in "Spring 6."

In other words, I wish you would keep it more simple sometimes and elimate the truly extraneous things that you do. However, I guess that is what you do and it's your style. Some people really don't dig it. Similar to swallowing in Mike John films, I just tolerate it so I can see a Jennifer Luv or Nautica Thorn or Lucy Thai or Dana Vespoli in hot sex. Incidentally, I would like to say that regarldess of anything else I do really dig your casting decisions so far. "Spring Chickens #6" had one of the best casts I'd seen in a gonzo film in a long, long time and though some people here may not be that turned on by the girls in "No Swallowing" they look hot to me. You keep casting hot girls I'll keep checking it out.

Kelly

I'm sure you'll know who I am talking about Chico-what happened with Eva (apparently going by Eva Evangelis now)? She was in the AnabolicXXX members area and I e-mailed the Minion and he told me you were all in love with her. However, she was signing at the Exquiste Pleasures booth at AEE (so I read) and her first film coming out is a TTBOy film ("Asian Street Hookers #36.) Will she be popping up in anything for you guys anytime soon?

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I get really bored with the usual intros in porno. Really bored. To the point where I fast forward. If I can start every scene with the girl looking directly at the camera and rubbing herself saying,

"Hi, I'm Jojoba, I'm 18 years old, these are my 18 year old titties ... this is my 18 year old tight, pink pussy ... I'm so horny right now ... I need a big fat cock ..."

Then I would be bored to tears during the set. It becomes literally an exercise in redundancy. How about the usual girl walks through the door like a trespasser, the camera pans to her ass, suddenly she is stricken by a desire to fondle herself, and lo and behold a dick pops from the left.

As long as the sex is shot normal, who cares about everything inbetween? Let me have my fun.

As far as Eva, yes, I have talked to her. She's fucking hot with one of the freshest faces I've seen. I'm taking a chance on this one. I have a real funny feeling she'll be doing anal soon and don't want to miss out. She's sitting on a goldmine but yet she doth not balk.

That being said, I'll let you in on a little secret. As of today, I'm taking over my first Anabolic line, Sweet Cheeks. This one, I plan to shoot straight up without going to bizarro land with outfits, locations, the works.

After all, unlike what some other people say, shooting porno isn't rocket science. It's one of the easiest things to do if you put your mind to it. It only takes a fraction of your work week and as long as you make up the right chemistry and hold the camera steady and know how to inspire the talent, you'll be just fine. As long as I feel I'm getting better, I'll keep on shooting.

Chico

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I just wanted to jump in real fast and say that I appreciate your need to "keep things interesting" as it were. My favorite directors are my favorites because they take chances and do just that. Please don't stop injecting your personality into the movies you shoot. I haven't seen any yet, and it's not because I've heard bad things at all... it's just because the opportunity hasn't arisen. And again, that's an oversight I'll correct shortly.

If whatever quirky ideas you concoct don't happen to work, chalk it up to an "oopsy-daisy" and move on--but keep on trying, because that's what is ultimately going to make you stand out, and with any luck, bring some interest and dynamic interaction to a world where there is precious little. Joey Silvera, Mason, William H., Mike Quasar, Buttman, and even Camera Guy of Shane's World (among others) all have this ability to bring something unique to their movies that give them life. Keep trying to find your niche, and don't let the nay-sayers turn you into another assembly line director. That's my two cents, anyway.

Mike L.

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Can someone please explain what the fuck the speaker phone was about!

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I love Dana. She loves sniffing smelly armpits and anything having to do with urine. She's a serious degenerate and I mean that in the nicest way. Like I've said before, sometimes a real woman like Dana is a refreshing change of pace from some of the 18 year olds who have no clue about their own sexuality yet.

BTW, I helped her site get something up just now. Check it out at
DANA'S URL

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In the main scene, she does a DP and double vag with Steve Holmes and John Strong.

She also performs 2 mini multiple face blasts, one going on her face and one going in her mouth with the obligatory listering gurgling and spit out.

She also does a POV BJ with Brian Surewood.

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But ya know sometimes you guys are ahead of your time,you had people like Aurora Snow and Bella Marie before they ever did anal/dp's.Elizabeth Lawrence is definitely DP friendly!

Maybe not your cup of tea,but I'm in love with Lani Kaluha,and would love to see her in some Diabolic product.OPEN UP DAT PHAT ASS!

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Granted the concepts may be more to some people's tastes, but let me assure you--the names are equally as imperically stupid. :)

As for my own useless opinion. I really don't care about the politics of the situation... and whatever grudge or disrespect or lack thereof is involved here. I'm just a fan looking for something interesting to watch. As long as no one's getting hurt, I don't care whether it was made by Mike John, Chico Wang or Papa Smurf for that matter.

Let's not lose our sense of perspective. Almost all of today's specialty porn is rediculous to a certain degree. That doesn't mean it doesn't still have some value to someone .

Mike L.

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I guess he is seriously handicapped by the fact that he only has one contract girl in his stable. Of course, Smurfette (that what you call her, right?) has all the qualities of a porn star: she is blond, always wears incredibly short dresses, is constantly seducing everything that walks by wearing white trousers and a white hat and always seems to have a tail up her ass.

Hmmm... Belgian porn does exist after all.




Sir Noel Plum said:
"If I was your President I would make it a criminal offence for anyone to receive more blowjobs than me."

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And, truthfully, I'd rather see facials than "good to the last pathetic dribble" swallowing scenes, which have not only gotten kind of old hat but almost a strict relgious code in a lot of gonzo these days.

As for Dana, her armpits smell like heaven's own pepper pot .

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You see, I just got a press release from Anarchy with a title called "Perverted P.O.V.". Now that is a blatant ripoff of a Diabolic title. Personally, I don't give a flying fuck. Of course it's a deliberate attempt to confuse the consumer. Proof is in the pudding. If they fail, they end up looking bad. And to take a name "Directed by Chico Redfield" is also kind of goofy. Again, who gives a flying Buddha.

Too many people out there take all this shit too seriously.

The Porn World should never be taken seriously. There's too many fucking psycopaths, goofballs, and subhumans that inhabit this business. It's FantasyLand and will always be such.

No director out there is creating 'high art'. In it's basic core, all we're doing is creating visual impact that'll have a guy jackoff onto his belly. That's the sheer essence of porn.

Maybe I'm stupid or something. The average porn consumer knows no pornstar other than a select few if any at all. The average porn consumer buys based on boxcovers. The average porn consumer buys a shitload of Leisure Time and Vivid compilation tapes cause "FOUR HOURS OF HARDCORE SEX!". Without those cheap ass comp tapes, video stores wouldn't make it in business.

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Kelly

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Edited by - Chico Wang on 1/19/2004 3:33:50 AM

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Chico-
I completely understand what you mean about non-distinguishable product. I review RedLightDistrict films for www.bluedoor.com all the time and it has reached the point now where they all look the same to me, except of course Mike and Erik's stuff. And while I may not like everything you always do (ie belting Haley with eggs) I can at least say you are very distinct.

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I'll tell you how it came to be. I just started shooting the line Spring Chickens. Most of the initial scenes went into Spring Chickens #5 (I believe two scenes were from Jon Dough and thus I didn't want my name on the box). The person thought it would be funny if I threw eggs at Haley as an inbetweener. Now anybody knows me knows I convinced girls to do a hell of alot worse when I was at Extreme. This was easy pickins.

In this industry there are three ways to convince women to do something. (1) They are so devoid of self-esteem or intelligence, they'll do anything you ask. (2) You can scare them into it especially if they're new. (3) You have this jackass, party atmosphere on the set and they'll do it for kicks.

In Haley's case, she did it for kicks and I shot her again. I stipulated to the guys to intentionally miss and crack eggs on her head when they were real close. In my personal life, I've had girls snort my jizz with a straw simply cause I challenged them. (Maybe that'll be a new line :)) I've actually had girls ask me to pee up their nostrils as an erotic act but couldn't muster the bladder control.

It's a real odd world. I'm trying. My breasts may be growing but I'm trying.

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Your honesty is refreshing. I've got a question: roughly speaking, what is the percentage breakdown of self esteem/ novice persuasion/ party atmosphere that holds when you or other directors are trying to get a woman to do something edgier? Is it something like 10/10/80? Just curious.

P.S. I used "persuasion" because "scare them into it" sounded too harsh, but maybe I'm being too naive about it.

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Basically, you say you want to bring more honesty to your product and demystify the quasi-glamorous perceptoins of porn. You want to keep your set like a frat house environment. That is perfectly fine and cool. I understand that. I guess the best way I can respond to it is to say that I am in college right now and I am not in a fraternity nor do I ever plan to be. That is not an environment I particularly wanted to be a part of. As such, I'm probably a tad bit too uptight about some of your antics.

I thought "Spring Chickens 6" was great. I just didn't care for Haley's scene and the in-betweener with her in the bathroom. But I am still going to be renting "No Swallowing Allowed" and I will still rent "Lewd Conduct 19." I'll probably see more stuff that I won't like but at this point I'll be more inclined to just let it pass.

Kelly

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Is there a honest to goodness release date for this title? My understanding was that it was coming sometime this month, but I didn't know what date. Dare I hope that this will be a simultaneous release?

Chico? Gregg? Anyone?

Mike L.

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