If you like the men and women to both be in your straight porn, than Peter North does an excellent job. He does great up-and-overs. The best shots ever of both their asses when they fuck. Just what I like! So few know how to film good porn like this it's worth noting.
That site was pretty good but they stopped making new films years ago. There are a lot of people like me who want to see the men get as much attention as the women in hardcore. It wouldn't take a lot to film a couple so it could be edited into two films, one with more guy and one with more girl. One session, two markets, two incomes.
^ That's a great idea! As usual, I suggest you peruse some of the older porn flicks--anything with Wade Nichols, Jack Wrangler, Jeff Stryker (in his straight/bi stuff), and John Leslie is almost bound to give you what you're looking for.
"So then gay porn is heterophobic, I guess." Genius! Their are more lesbians in hardcore than ever. There are bi films with both men and women. When a film has a man and a woman and you hide the man because you don't want to offend immature, high school boys who are terrified they will cum when the guys ass is on the screen, that's homophobic.
No it isn't. Homophobia is an irrational fear or hatred of gays. Heterosexual men are those whose sexual interests are confined to women. It is no more homophobic for a man not to want to look at another man's penis than it is misogynist for a gay man not to want to look at a naked woman.
Are you trolling or actually serious? Or do you really have that much of an unfounded victim complex that you would actually see "homophobia" in hetero porn which is naturally geared for hetero's? Or are you that stupid that you don't realise that it's not hate but natural for a man to lose his erection when he has to see a man's face zoomed in when he climaxes at the end of a scene. Also ask aya about that claim, there's really only a handful of mainstream girls who are lesbians, the rest are bi or straight. No you're definitely trolling.
Right. So, if a guy completely freaks out because they saw a dude sucking a dick, or (god forbid) saw a guy's face, that would be homophobia. That doesn't mean the guy hates gay people or is actively homophobic, but they are products of homophobic culture.
First of all, I'm not trolling. Some hetero films try their damndest to hide the men's bodies and faces. Secondly, many if not most of the male performers in hetero films have had a dick in one end or the other. I know because I'm interested in that. I've seen some of the biggest stars with two cocks in them at once. Nice. I know what I'm talking about.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 5 2016 : 1:16PM
A poster in the Adriano thread said recently it was homosexual for Mike to be rimmed while laying on his back instead of standing. If that isn't an irrational fear of being identified as passive and gay I don't know what is. Regardless this is OT. Recommendations is what the OP was looking for. Edited by - BlackSix on 4/5/2016 1:18:29 PM
Bodies? The whole point of hetero porn is P in V so you will always see a dick. As for faces, that's with guys who direct their own scenes and want to stay anonymous. Lastly, there is no homophobia in any of this. This is all unfounded victim-complex. I mean "guys who are freaked out by the sight of men sucking dick are homophobic"? What is this society coming to if people try so hard to find injustice where there is none whatsoever.Yeah? And guess who isn't interested in that? Hetero porn viewers which is what hetero porn is directed towards. The focus is on the girl. You are watching the wrong product for your needs and your complaints don't make sense.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Apr 5 2016 : 1:36PM
This thread wasn't a complaint it was a request for a different kind of porn. Your posts are OT. You could just consider the thread title Homoerotic Hardcore if that makes you feel better and move on. The only issue with that is the assumption the viewer is male, women viewers of porn would also like porn that features the men more. In terms of the request I think the closest thing to it is porn that features more full body master shots. EroticaX comes to mind, particularly the more overtly romantic themed releases. Edited by - BlackSix on 4/5/2016 7:25:06 PM
dogzcatcher you made me laugh. That's a great sofa for fucking. But it is a good point. It's really ridiculous how many films are made on sofas that are too small for two people to fuck. It's one way I know they don't know WTF they are doing. And some companies are so silly, people fuck on stoves. That let's me know their priorities are screwy and they don't take their product seriously enough.
Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09
Posted - Apr 10 2016 : 2:02AM
I agree about your point made, PIVlover, about scenes where the male performer's face is hidden. Thirty minutes of off-camera erections coming into view or half the guy's body visible is frustrating when I'm trying to discover who's the second actor in this erotic play. I care about who the male performer is in boy/girl scenes because they are "pitch-hitting" for this old man and I want to watch a guy who makes love like I did back-in-the day. I prefer to watch performances with high production values, with quality cameras, a steady hand on the camera and a nice venue (not a warehouse set where a tilt of the camera reveals a warehouse ceiling!). Along with the excellent studio suggestions made above I'll include Evil Angel, Jules Jordan, PornPros, Mike John, Zero Tolerance and New Sensations as companies with excellent production values. Other, B-grade companies may offer excellent performers, yet, with out-of-focus shots, screwed-up, yellow-tint filters or jittery camera work, it's a waste of time and money to pay for it. You may discover, with time, your choice in porn may change. Mind did. When I was a kid, I would never consider watching anything other than boy/girl scenes. No IR. No girl/girl. No gay stuff. No trans stuff. In time, I've watched all that out of curiosity. Porn has made me more acceptable of different lifestyles. Diversity is what we're all about as human beings.
Very insightful, dogzcatcher, and I agree with your statements. It's frustrating to be one of the people willing to pay for porn and always getting poor product for your money. However, I discovered TeamSkeet and I'm very happy. They don't cross reference their male actors or even include their names on the scene description, which is very disappointing, but they light up the action and get in there and show me penetration, which is what I'm paying for. Their site is also easy to navigate and their men and women are beautiful and talented. Luckily, I already know the men in most cases but I like to search their names and and see what scenes they are in by name. I find it very hot when the men are treated with respect. As it should be.
TeamSkeet never names the guy in the scene and does not not a comprehensive list of male talent. It seems so professional, I just don't understand why male talent tolerates this. If I was an actor I would want to get credit for my talent.
^ Yeah I don't get why studios don't at least have a text card at the end of the scene with the basic credits. Would be nice to know all the performers names as well as a few credits like Director, photographer, and writer (for scenes with scripted dialogue). Edited by - Jackie Treehorn on 4/13/2016 12:30:24 AM
^ Let's face it: The sad fact is that a decent number of people who work in porn have no respect for porn. They feel it's not worth a one hundred percent effort on their part.
When I was doing encyclopedia entries for a bunch of pornographic features, I had to email the studios and have their secretary dig out the files to find composers and script writers. Crazy.
The male stars have huge numbers of male fans and I don't think they have figured out how to exploit that. And to be frank, hardcore just isn't filthy enough. There is so much more to do but there is a lack of imagination.
^ If it gets any filthier, we will be watching spleens fucking arteries.Yes, the Fleshlight seems to be the only thing that generates royalties. It's sad, and something I feel strongly should change. Nica Noelle tried to unionize performers, and Ona Zee before her. Both failed. Nica says the FSC and some members of the industry bullied and intimidated her into quitting, iirc. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 4/15/2016 7:52:04 AM
^ Obviously the FSC does a lot of good, but I think it's name is a bit of an intentional misnomer. It's not some dedicated 1st Amendment group like the ACLU, it's an industry trade group more similar to something like the National Association of Manufacturers. It's bankrolled by the big companies in the industry and works to protect their interests which often means taking on free speech causes but isn't limited to that. Not surprising to hear that they oppose unionization.
"If it gets any filthier, we'll be watching spleens fucking arteries." Ha. But really, I'm not talking about standard issue. I'm talking about the little things. I'm talking about the language, for example, that seldom gets really filthy. Or the set ups. They are so bland.
Yes. Somehow, all these porn sites decided unfocused, bad lighting and "romance" was the way to go. Horrible, horrible, horrible trash. I don't know if you ever saw his work, but Ben Dover used to make some filthy shit. I'm talking pole dancers getting guys hard and multiple audience members watching. Orgies that were well choreographed for maximum penetration shots with both men and women showing off all their bodies and talents. Filthy language. Really gets you worked up.
^ Watching CURSE OF THE CATWOMAN makes me pine for that sort of thing in today's porn. That film is incredible and super filthy. Male and female bodies are on display in exhibitionist fashion. Great stuff.
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Posted - Aug 14 2016 : 3:38PM
Buddy I do think your comment shows that you are gay. No offense intended! I would personally not enjoy to see more of the male than the female doing the sex act because if I do I would feel so bad having cock in mind.
Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09
Posted - Aug 14 2016 : 7:58PM
I'm always surprised when a performer, male or female, is tagged with the "gay-for-pay" tag, as if something is bad about shooting same sex scenes. One of my favorite scenes is a 3 -way with Mason Moore, Steve Holmes and Eric Everhard in "Bra Busters" distributed by Jules Jordan. Like many dp scenes, at certain moments, both male talent's erections rub against each other. Like many blow-bang scenes, at certain moments, someone's erection may bump into some other's guy's erection in the scene, because people are in close proximity to each other. In the early days in porn, the camera would often cut to a close-up of the male talent's face, which always made me laugh out loud. The first time I saw Mike John swing the camera around from the woman to his mug, I had to laugh. Both him and Tim combined humor with erotica, which I loved to watch. No need to get hung up on watching erections bang into each other. Watch your favorite eye candy and laugh at the awkward moments of human beings making love.
^The tag gay-for-pay can be an issue to some fans because it may make it harder for them to accept the fantasy that the performer is actually enjoying what they are doing on screen because they know they don't enjoy it in their private life. In my case it's not an issue if a female performer is straight in real life as long as she appears to enjoy women when she does lesbian porn but I have seen more than my share of lesbian scenes where it is obvious that the performer is simply not into women and the scene becomes unwatchable. I can't speak for gay porn but I suspect it's the same.
Is it indicative of the current state of the porn industry that studios will happily promote the women appearing in their scenes or movies but more or less relegate the men to being dicks with legs as though any male performer will do as long as he can keep is penis erect for hours, follow direction and cum on command. I for one find the male performers from the 70's and 80's were far superior to most of their modern counterpart and their presence with the female performer could make or break a scene. Call me a purist but I prefer my performers to have as few tattoos as possible and I am almost always quite disappointed when I get this beautiful women with few if any tattoos getting fucked by a guy that is covered in them.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Aug 15 2016 : 8:43PM
^^ Pardon the pun, but this is why consumers should never know how the sausage gets made. Especially so for porn since many people (like those you mention) rely on the fantasy holding up. I gotta be honest, I can't really wrap my head around the idea of people who know they are watching a fantasy, and their enjoyment of the product relies upon that fantasy, yet they actively seek out as much information as they can (on social media and forums like this) to destroy that very fantasy. This is one of the reasons I barely participate in the Star Crossed forum any more. There is waaaaay too much information over there on the performers.
Posted - Apr 3 2016 : 4:21PM
