Hmm,I wonder if Malorie Marx would like to go black with 2 black studs in her at the same time...and not go back!

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JJ: I hope you will use Caroline Pierce in your movies, her butt is simply perfect and I would love to see her take on a huge black guy like Mandingo for example.

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Just a different genre, that's all.

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I assure you, as soon as August ass is ready for anal u will see it here first!

somewhere slightly above Sunshine and Leisure Time.

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Mitchum22, where do you get your info? You said, Charmane would be in this title?

Jules, maybe you can help us out. She will be in a future title with you?

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Who is Alexa's scene with?

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I think a monthly or semi monthly series featuring white guys black girls could be a huge hit if given half a chance.

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I agree a series like that should have top of the line black girls.Alot of black oriented stuff has black girls with too many tattoos,usually over their floppy down to the waist breasts.I'd prefer HOT girls like Tiffany Mason,Diamond,you get the idea...........

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Notice that I didn't write that ALL white IR porn consumers want to see black male/white female IR porn. You're one of the ones who don't. But, overwhelmingly, more white IR porn consumers want to see black male/white female IR porn than they want to see white male/black female porn. Similarly, most black male IR porn fans also overwhelmingly want to see black male/white female IR porn than white male/black female IR porn. Both these demographics simultaneously create a strong demand for black male/white female IR porn. Porn studios, who are not particularly stupid, can't help but notice these trends and they, in turn, create movies to supply this demand. The market reflects this economic reality. THAT'S where the biggest money is in IR porn.

Also notice that I didn't write that there was no market for white male/black female IR porn (which is what I think you implied when you wrote that I was wrong). I'm not wrong on that count because I didn't write that in the first place. I simply indicated that bigger money is in black male/white female IR porn because that's what most consumers are buying. Cyberchicken, you're trying to put the cart before the horse in implying that the porn producers are simply out of sync with what porn fans collectively are demanding most (white male/black female IR porn) and are consequently flooding the market needlessly with black male/white female IR porn. Simple economics dictate that that's not true. They would quickly go broke if they operated that way on a consistent basis. To the contrary, the porn studios are catering to consumer demand.

Additionally, Cyberchicken, I didn't even indicate to you what my personal preference was. Although I'm pretty sure that you jumped to a conclusion on that issue, also. You conclusion may or may not have been correct, but it's besides the point.

In point of fact, there ARE IR porn movies/series devoted to the white male/black female theme. Two that come to mind are: Devil's Films Gangland White Boy Stomp (I own one movie from that series myself) and Red Light District's White Dicks, Black Chicks. There are probably others as well. I'm sure these series make money, too. I didn't write otherwise. However, generally speaking , they don't make as much money as black male/white female IR porn. The market reflects this reality. For example, Gangland (black male/white female IR porn) is Devil's Films' top selling line and has been since its inception). Jules is a businessman. He goes where the biggest money is. This isn't to say, Cyberchicken, that Jules might not throw you a bone (white male/black female IR porn) at some point, but the bigger money is in black male/white female IR porn). And that's why Jules went with it out of the starting gates. Get it?

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All the titles you mentioned are low end, and it's not surprising that they weren't popular.

If JJ directed two series, one with white girls and one with black girls, both IR, I bet the black girl series would sell just as well.

Personally I'd rather see black pussy than black dicks, but that's just me )

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Edited by - Pontus Maximus on 3/2/2003 11:31:46 PM

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Is quality black girl porn not being produced because no one is buying it, or is no one buying it because it's not being produced.

Let JJ direct both a black girl and a white girl IR series, and see which sells the best. I think they would both do equally well.

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Cyberchicken, I'll let you in on a little secret. I've known and worked with a great many people of all races. I can tell you this: most white men are more sexually attracted to white women than black women. Furthermore, I cannot begin to tell you the number of white men that I've spoken with who aren't attracted to black women at all. Some white men (yourself included), do find black women sexually attractive, but most of the ones I've spoken with don't. Regarding real-life interracial couples, I'm willing to bet that, proportionately, you will always see more black male/white female interracial couples than white male/black female interracial couples. I think that, generally speaking, white women are perceived to be more sexually attractive than black women (now, of course there are many exceptions both ways, but I'm talking in general terms). I think this reality is reflected in porn buying habits as well. If the reverse were true, then the market would already be flooded with white male/black female porn.

If Jules ever produced two series simultaneously, a black male/white female series and a white male/black female series, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the black male/white female series would consistently outsell the other. But Jules Jordan already knows this without having to put it to a test. Cyberchicken, there is a growing trend of black male porn stars getting their own IR series. Guys like Lex, Mr. Marcus, Slayer, Mandingo, Brian Pumper, Jake Steed, Sean Michaels, and so on all have series devoted to the black male/white female theme. But how many white male porn stars have series devoted to the white male/black female theme? There might be some, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Cyberchicken, as I've written, there is a niche for your personal preference. But you continue to think that just because it's your personal preference, that it necessarily follows that there's this huge untapped market of people sharing your personal preference. There isn't. There are people out there who really want to see more white male/black female porn (that's a fact), but it's not a huge, untapped market. It's simply a niche. And it's a smaller niche than people who prefer black male/white female porn. Again, that the latter is flooding the market is not a coincidence as you persistently choose to keep thinking.

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Edited by - Asmodeus on 3/3/2003 1:49:39 AM

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I don't care if it's an IR video or not. If it has IR scenes, fine, if it doesn't fine. As long as I like the performances and the people are attractive, I'm all set!

That being said, it does seem that right now we seem to get more feedback asking for black guys/white girls scenes. But maybe those are just the more vocal people.

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Personally I would tend to stay away from those watermarked titles as a matter of principle (the last thing I' want to see is this watermark scourge spreading within the industry) but I too might make an exception or two depending on the hotties featured

Edited by - joey starr on 3/3/2003 3:07:52 AM

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I was checking out RLD white dicks/black chicks, and I noticed that there were some pretty attractive women in the movie. But for the most part, I won't see those women again. Sometimes I wonder why Vivid/VCA/Wicked,etc. don't seem to have more(or really any for that matter) black female contract stars. I've thought that maybe the problem isn't on the contract star level. Maybe the maybe is at a lower level. What I mean is that maybe the powers that be just haven't done a good job thusfar of keeping hot black women in porn long enough to make them stars. Because regardless of anyone's personal theories on this, I think you need longevity in the porn biz to make it.

I don't know though. Tell me what you's think. Later!

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I'm sure Pontus-Maximus is correct in his estimation of the market, but I can't make the leap from that to saying there's no demand for such scenes. I think the issue is understanding just who does enjoy such scenes and making sure that the girls fit within the parameters of what those people find attractive (I know, I know, that's a challenge in itself). If JJ, or Yani Z, or whoever, got the right cast together I have no doubt they'd make a profit, in addition to developing a hard-core following.

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I, myself, find IR porn very exciting in all of its combinations: white male/black female, black male/white female, white male/ Asian female, black male/Asian female, white male/Hispanic female, black male/Hispanic female, etc., etc. I'm a lot like Sean Michaels in my view of people in general: "No color lines" (in or outside of porn). I think all races should be free to socialize with one another, date one another, intermarry, work together in harmony, etc. I've been married outside my race. I have a sister who has dated outside her race. I don't believe that this kind of thing should be a big deal at all.

Getting back to IR porn, while there are only a precious few movie series devoted to the white male/black female theme, nonetheless, there have been a great many individual scenes over the last three decades that have showcased this theme. Over the years, I've enjoyed watching many such scenes and own quite a few of them in my personal porn collection (as well as several magazines devoted to the white male/black female theme).

@T Mac. You're right, black female contract porn stars are extremely rare. The only two that pop into my head at the moment are Heather Hunter (Vivid Girl) and Ebony Sinclair (Vivid Girl). There might be others. But overall, they are a very rare breed. It's also been widely noted that, generally, black women aren't as able and/or willing to get as down and dirty as white women. For example, it is gradually becoming routine for white women to do double anals, whereas, with black women, for the most part, it seems difficult just to get them to do an anal. In general, white women just seem better suited to porn both in attitude and sexual abilities.

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I would accept that this is more of a niche product than black guys with white girls but that does notpreclude commercial success. If you produce a new black guy/white girl line you are competing in a very competitive market with well established lines whereas premium product in the reverse category is a thing of rarity.

I find this a fascinating subject. For me the appeal of interracial is nothing to do with race but just the fact that it looks so much more aesthetically beautiful and highlights the action to see a coupling of different skin tones. the other great appeal of black guys is that some of them are so massively endowed that seeing a girl of any colour take these 'babies arms' is an attraction in itself.

Another interesting aside, is the subject of black on black films. These I find the least appealing because they seem to be so difficult to successfully light. It reminds me of conversations I have had with scene of crimes officers who have expressed the difficulty in taking photos of fire gutted buildings - the black surfaces absorb all the light thrown at them making their job a nightmare. Of course, just as white folk are pink, black folk are brown not black but i feel the same holds true with regard to lighting as with charred compartments.

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Sorry I wasn't clear that I wasn't simply responding to your previous.

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Août 1996 est une date essentielle dans la vie de Julia. Suite à un reportage pour le magazine Hot Vidéo, au Congo, sur les malades du Sida, elle rentre à Paris traumatisée par la vision de bébés mourants, par la détresse de cette Afrique qu'elle porte en elle (son père est Peul du Mali), et continue de prôner de façon plus soutenue le port du préservatif dans la profession, plus que jamais persuadée que l'heure est grave. Le latex n'est pas le bienvenu dans l'industrie du X, et Julia Channel décide alors que le moment est venu de sa retraite anticipée du monde du X et fait ses adieux, au moment même ou VIVID, la plus grande société de production américaine, lui propose un contrat équivalent à son rang de star. Mais sa décision est prise, il est temps de passer à autre chose.

You can also read her full bio here.

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Also, there is a couple of us here at ADT that speaks French (French Guy, Walter, Marduk, Noproblemo?, myself, I'm sure there is others but they arent regular posters, thats why my memory fails me... hehe). We could start a thread in French just for you, Hardware.

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Edited by - Walter Burns on 3/3/2003 4:13:52 PM

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Credit where credit is due: Gabriel Nine posted this link to RAME not too long ago.

edited: Hmmm... to get this thread back on topic: "Jules, pourquoi avez vous ajoutez un 'watermark'? " Uhhmm ... let's try again: "Jules, qu'est-ce que vous pensez d'une série avec des belles filles noires, comme Kiwi ou Lacey DuValle? Ca peut être archi méga bon!!"

Edited by - Walter Burns on 3/3/2003 4:45:39 PM

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@Walter. Yes, so there have been more black female contract porn stars than I was previously aware of, then. And, unless I'm mistakened, you might be right about Monique at one time being a contract girl at Extreme Associates (though I'm really not sure of that for a fact). Monique sure did do a lot of work for (the lesser) EA.

@Balabala. I don't speak/read French, but I sure can comprehend how sexy Julia Channel is in those pics! Pardon a naive question, but are Julia Channel and Lydia Channel different people or the same person?

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The link Walter provided covers pretty much everything I could have taught you.

Edited by - balabala on 3/3/2003 4:48:07 PM

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Edited by - menace on 3/3/2003 4:54:36 PM

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Edited by - Pontus Maximus on 3/3/2003 6:03:47 PM

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I really don't understand why so many people think Julia Channel father is Egyptian.

Here is a thread where we discussed her ethnicity, you should have a look at it.

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