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Botticelli
Member

7 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 4:10AM
I'm new here so I hope people will bear with me even if I say something stupid. I'm surprised by some of the people who write in this forum. Everyone who posts here seems so genuine and friendly. It's great to see posts from some of my favorite people, like Kami Andrews and Steve Holmes. Steve Holmes, you're my idol!

Anyway, I am hoping anyone from in the industry has advice for an outsider. It's a fact, there's people on both sides of the camera, you don't have to be quite as beautiful if you aren't going to be in front of the camera.

Several years back, I graduated with a degree concentrating on fiction and non-fiction writing. After college I got involved in video production and worked on some very high quality productions in positions ranging from Gaffer to Cinematographer to Producer and even wrote a film script and wrote and directed a production myself. The reason I was hoping for advice is that I came up with some ground breaking concepts that I wanted to introduce into the adult industry.

The problem is that I have written to people at several companies, including people like Vince Voyeur and John Stagliano. Since I never received replies, I can only assume they either didn't read my letters, or else they didn't believe that I can deliver ideas that are as potent as the ones I want to discuss with them.

My questions for anyone who is willing to answer are:

1.) How can I get in touch with the people who would really be interested in my ideas?

and:

2.) Is there a way of protecting my ideas, so that a production company can't just take my ideas and use them without giving me some form of credit?

croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 4:15AM
If you want to get your foot in the door, I'm thinking 1 & 2 are mutually exclussive. That's how things work, just like in the office bosses will take credit.

The good thing is, once you get established, you can make a name for yourself. Look at Jules Jordan.

#2 is a possibility, but difficult. Look at Strazynski (sp?) Deep Space Nine and Babylon 5 .

Botticelli
Member

7 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 4:37AM
I wouldn't doubt if most people in the adult industry are even more concerned about "fair compensation" than people in many other industries. Being cheated out of money after a scene doesn't seem that much different than kidnapping and rape. I would think that would be kind of hard to just write it off as some annoyance by some producer with an over-sized ego.
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 4:37AM
Come on, brother, share your "ground breaking concepts" with us.
croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 4:50AM
If you are a performer, you will be paid. If you had an idea and shared it, best of luck to you.
 
Joey Starr
Senior Member

Still wanking after all these years.
8082 Posts
10/00
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 5:03AM
I'll take that over kidnapping and rape anyday, thanks!
croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 5:14AM
Great, now I have to change party plans for your 6000th post.
Joey Starr
Senior Member

Still wanking after all these years.
8082 Posts
10/00
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 5:18AM
I dunno, won't be before three weeks or so I guess. Well maybe less.

Travelling to Australia soon?

DenverDon
Benevolent

Firmly Embedded in Depravity
5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 10:58AM
Boticelli,

I've neve heard of anyone being paid for a script or idea in the adult industry (unless it is the producer/director that has the idea). This isn't mainstream where they hire teams of writers.

Some adult movies in the opening credits will have "Written, produced, and directed by ..."

Good luck.

DenverDon

imak
Adult Film Legend

3345 Posts
2/04
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 12:09PM
what he said.
dogs don't need jackets
picman
Senior Member

Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass.
2884 Posts
1/03
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 2:05PM
MASAMUNE
Senior Member

1452 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 2:37PM
ONce you share an idea to someone else, it isn't your idea anymore. But good luck anyway
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 2:46PM
Yeah, adult entertainment,
home of the auteur cinema.
green-toke
Member

Loc: Kyoto, Japan
159 Posts
4/05
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 2:57PM
Seems like you would need to be a director or start your own porn studio to use your ideas and get credit. Not sure which directors out there aren't former performers. But if there are any, maybe contact them and see how they got their break. You could also become a performer and hope that it leads to directing one day.
nietzsche
Deactivated User

5470 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 3:04PM
What makes the OP think viewers even care that much about plot?
 
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 3:33PM
phatbasey
Senior Member

1390 Posts
1/05
Posted - Jun 11 2005 : 4:31PM
I don't want to piggyback on what everyone is saying but recently someone had a similar question and I suggest you type "scripts" in the search box and you will find alot of threads about pros and cons about writing.
Botticelli
Member

7 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 12 2005 : 12:51AM
Thanks you guys for answering my questions, but it's really hard to imagine what I'm talking about I guess since no one but me knows what it is I've come up with. It's not really about script writing or pitching an idea and trying to get them to label me as a director just for making a suggestion. What I'm working with is really an entire business model that works completely differently than anything that's ever been done in the adult industry. It's also about marketing methods...the kind of ideas that Harvard graduates get hired into corporations for hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.

It's true there's a lot of smoke blowing going on out there, but you'd be surprised how many people end up in poverty who have had ideas just as brilliant as Bill Gates. It just happens that they don't always have the resources or knowledge to turn their ideas into tangible products. Look at Commodore for example. I'm still not sure how IBM beat out Commodore with an 8 color platform. And Apple did it with a grayscale platform.

I guess I'm better off keeping my ideas to myself. The problem then is: I once read that John Stagliano used to drop 8,000 dollars productions that would rake in 8 million in revenues. I guess maybe I can just hope that by the time I'm 50 years old or so I'll have the 8,000 dollars in expendable savings to drop on a business investment. On the other hand, by that time 8,000 dollars will be worth 2,000 because of inflation, and I'll be the same poverty stricken self I've always been.

Thanks for the advice.

imak
Adult Film Legend

3345 Posts
2/04
Posted - Jun 12 2005 : 1:34AM
babe as you get money buy cd's set a goal for yourself and put the max you can back each week even if its only 10 dollars. or ebay some shit.

if your initial investment will make you a millionaire consider a short term extra job. fuck sell blood every week for $30.

if your ideas are this great don't wait for some one to save you save yourself :)

I know it's easier said than done but anything is possible.

croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jun 12 2005 : 3:37AM
Buisness models don't get copywrite or IP protection. Many things don't, which is why there are trade secrets.
It also takes a lot of trust to change the entire buisness model on which your livelyhood is run, more than a stranger off the street will get.
Save your money, get marketable skills.
Steve Holmes
Senior Member

1235 Posts
12/02
Posted - Jun 14 2005 : 5:24PM
Hi Botticelli,

first of all I want to thank you for your friendly words in your initial post. But now to your question.

Most porn companies are run by entrepreneurs who had a business idea which they are convinced it is good. Some get confirmed and rich and some get bankrupted. You mentioned that you contacted John and Vince. Both are very successful. And as they say in the IT business: "Never touch a running system."

You might have a better chance if you find an investor from outside of the industry who has money but no idea of the porn business. If you convince him, that you can multiply his money by revolutionizing the porn industry you might can do it in a joint venture.

Steve Holmes

juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 14 2005 : 6:25PM
Sorry, Botticelli,
that we weren't much of a help.
But it's not the idea that counts. It's the determination with which you go for it.

It's hardly possible that anybody has any thought that hasn't been thought by anybody else before.
No idea is really ground breaking.

BTW, your name sounds like you have a too refined art taste to produce smut.

Botticelli
Member

7 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 15 2005 : 4:19AM
Wow! Steve Holmes! Thank you for replying, Steve and Kami, and everyone else.

Some of the suggestions are helpful, others are token cynicism. People are always so full of doubt when someone has a new idea that hasn't ever been presented to the public. A reception of doubt doesn't make me any less confident in my ideas. I wouldn't even doubt if someone else has thought them up before. But they haven't brought them to the market in a way that made it worthy of consumer support. Poorly compressed, grainy, distorted, washed out, crude attempts streamed onto your computer through Real Media might con some poor suckers out of their money, but won't build a porno enterprise that commands any respect.

Anyway, now if I can only figure out where I'm going to get some investors. If I can, I'm going to be a worthy competitor. It will mean lost sales for the established producers. Too bad we can't be on the same side and share the benefits of my methods.

BTW: I may be an artist and an intellectual but that doesn't make me any less horny.

Hardware All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

Your other left
14595 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 15 2005 : 4:31AM
Do you want credit or compensation? If the latter, I suggest you spend the money to ask an attorney that question.
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