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Bob All-Star Supporter
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Do you ever feel painfully mind-fucked by the "painful ass fuckin" thread? I know I do.
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Edited by - bob on Jun 20 2009
elgringoviejo58
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 7:18AM
No, but I would to see guys who are into watching girls get painfully ass-fucked themselves get ass-fucked by those very strapon-wearing girls.
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 9:13AM

Here here. I feel like there's no point posting on that thread, but yes indeed - if they love seeing it so much, and it's so close to pleasure, then they should sign up for Strap Attack. I'm still confused as to how people can be so comfortable with enjoying seeing women in pain, and probably think of it as completely different from "rape" or other forms of sexual assault.
bandanoantri
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 2:14PM
Yeah, I feel awfully mindfucked right now, because I opened this fuckin thread and read your motherfuckin first post. Man, if you're bored jerk off or whatever...
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 5:33PM
^^^
Awww. Poor little guy. I feel for you.
 
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 6:42PM
I'm definitely in favour of the idea that every guy who wants to do or see a girl getting it up the ass should have to get it up the ass himself first.
I'm sure some providers would be willing to do a ten-minute strap-on session for a relatively low price in the name of education, so long as you looked like you weren't enjoying it. Especially if a few porn fans had to sign up together for their "initiation". She could do four in an hour with breaks and make some pretty decent cash, and not get too sore. Well maybe her pelvis muscles might get sore from the slightly unusual (for her) thrusting motion. But other than that she'd likely be alright, and probably a little bit amused as well.
If a strap-on session with a provider (or a significant other) cannot be arranged, I imagine some kind of dildo workout would be an acceptable substitute.
backdoorman
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 8:48PM
That's crazy KB. Should guys that like seeing girls suck dick have to suck one themselves first ?
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 10:12PM

That's an imbalanced analogy, in my opinion, if you consider the thread/specific posts it alludes to. The answer is no - a suitable analogy would be if a guy wants to see a girl throat-fucked and see her visibly struggle for breath, experience pain, and be given no relief, (often with the guy insisting that she experiences this as pleasure), then yes, it would be interesting to see how he likes it.
I believe the purpose of these suggestions is to point out some highly disturbing posts, not to mention encourage a degree of empathy...
elgringoviejo58
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Posted - Jun 20 2009 : 10:35PM
Excellent reply, GG Girl.
LawrenceSingleton
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Posted - Jun 21 2009 : 10:20PM
Oh, drat. Foiled again by parallel phrasing. I was hoping "painful mind fuckin" meant this thread would be about movies like Meatholes, where the focus on emotional abuse is about as prominent as the physical degradation.
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Posted - Jun 21 2009 : 10:46PM
I'm definitely in favour of the idea that every guy who wants to do or see a girl getting it up the ass [painfully] should have to get it up the ass himself first.
If you add the word painfully like I have above then I agree. Without you have condemned all anal sex.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 3:59PM
Have you ever noticed that some threads are as perversely durable as cockroaches?
Mr. Sausage
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Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 4:07PM
I agree, Bill is off. :p
Women don't have a penis. So, it is only natural ther get one up the butthole.
It's nature, don't fight it.
Edited by - Mr. Sausage on 7/10/2009 4:08:02 PM
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Ah yes, yet more douchebaggery...
Mr. Sausage
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Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 4:40PM
Why because someone has a different opinion than you?
It's not like I started a thread to berate another thread.
 
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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No, it's because you say unpleasant things about performers, as well as misogynistic crap such as your thread above. I would welcome a well articulated-response that differs from mine, always do.
StillHope
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Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 6:45PM
Good day! Enjoy a nice cup of coco whilst I spin you a tale...
IMHO, the word "acting" is thrown around too much, especially in gonzo threads. If it is not a feature, there really isn't too much acting occurring. As one ADT poster to elequently stated "These aren't special effects, a dick down the throat is a dick down the throat".
I am not here to argue about what certain female talent may or may not enjoy, but I will say that a large majority of talent that display serious signs of discomfort or an inability to breath during a throating are, again, not acting.
Say what you will, someone who enjoys another person being in serious pain to the point of sexual excitement is somewhat disturbed. Once again, IMHO.
"We've landed on the Moon!" --from Dumb and Dumber
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Nope. That was me.
Loraine
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Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 8:44PM
Initiative is admirable and sexy. Spelling it is a mind fuck.
Ida Lupino
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Posted - Sep 24 2009 : 6:43AM
A painful vaginal thread is long overdue.
ma meeshka
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Yes. I'm always frustrated by closet homosexuals. They should be proud of who they are.
duefuss
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Posted - Sep 24 2009 : 1:15PM
In my absolutely UNprofessional opinion, the expressions and reactions of women in pain or feigning it are very close to the facial contortions and screams of extreme ecstasy.
In the strange convoluted world of male sexual repressions and insecurities, sadistic fantasy becomes a way to elicit sexual response from a woman without having to be sexually competent oneself. A man doesn't have to get it up and keep it up to induce a sexual response from a woman. All he has to do is rough her up.
In most cases this is strictly fantasy -- pretending. Most people aroused by BDSM would be horrified at the idea of actually hurting someone.
Their arousal comes from the sensory stimulation of seeing and hearing the pseudo ecstasy of a woman in pain. Part of their fantasy is that the woman actually likes the pain, wants it, is aroused and climaxes from it (e.g. Kink.com). This is why BDSM is the most common of the so called sexual aberrations catered to by the porn industry.
Misogyny, on the other hand: rape, the actual harming and humiliation of women, is not primarily sexual nor is it fantasy. Rough anal sex, hitting, urination, etc. are expressions of power. They are connected to sex for the misogynist, of course, because the male illusion of superiority to women and to competing males has always been predicated on physical strength and sexual prowess.
The most significant and dangerous difference between BDSM and misogyny is that misogyny is NOT a fantasy. The work of porn makers like Max Hardcore acts only as a stimulation to the woman hater to go out and do the real thing. The BDSM freak would die before actually harming a woman. The pure misogynist's ultimate turn on IS to harm her.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 1:52PM
I'm going to propose to Steph and Drew that they create one new forum called the "Pain, Discomfort, Distress, and Tears" forum for all those threads for which even the Porn Pool reflects too delicate a sensibility.
I think ADT could also benefit from a separate "Interracial Porn" forum -- separate but, of course, equal.
Please e-mail Steph or Drew if you think I'm onto something here.
Thanks all,
Bob
duefuss
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 5:05PM
A segregated racial porn forum? Man, if I were ADT, I wouldn't touch that one with a ten foot burning cross.
SunShowers
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 5:17PM
"So, it is only natural ther get one up the butthole."
There's nothing natural about anal sex. Just wanted to point that out. Not saying that people shouldn't do it. Might I also remind you that men have assholes?
 
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 9:21PM
I should have put a [wink] after that line.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Have I confused dripping irony with cheap lube?
BYOB_Kenobi
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 10:16PM
I don't use this one often, but after reading this one, your post is deserving.
BYOB_Kenobi
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 10:35PM
So many thoughts here.
IR Section
Bob, great idea. After 3 weeks of reading the IR Wars of 2009, I agree and think IR deserves its own section. It's mentally taxing to read the harassing posts that encroach into the Star Section alone, nevermind trying to navigate thru TPP!
Painful ass fuckin
On a related note, I cannot understand why there's even demand for anal prolapses. Willfully enjoying and getting aroused by female rectal prolapses is fucked up. Personally, I think 'enjoying/arousal for rectal prolapse' should be included in profiling techniques like animal cruelty is a predictor for domestic abusers and serial killers.
Anal indoctrination
elgringoviejo58, a great standard to live by and should be implemented ASAP!
Mad props GGG
Edited by - BYOB_Kenobi on 10/15/2009 9:31:25 AM
realtip
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 11:27PM
You can't be serious. I've heard this same argument many times before, except it's usually used to apply to people who watch pornography at all, regardless of the type of porn it is. An affinity for one fetish is no more of an indicator for sociopathy than an affinity for any other fetish.
BYOB_Kenobi
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 11:56PM
I am serious.
BYOB_Kenobi
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 12:22AM
You can 'fetishize' anything, however, this doesn't make it right, tolerable, or immune from criticism. I am all for minimizing judgement of other's sexual tastes and preferences, but when you cause and/or document rectal prolapses on video for financial gain, I think this is clearly going to far. The fact that rectal prolapses usually require repair/reconstruction is a testament to its magnitude.
Example 1
One could 'fetishize' the act of deep-throating a girl so much that it causes damage to her vocal cords. Does this mean it fine and should be acceptable?
Example 2
I actually read somewhere of a person asking if there were any legitimate videos/scenes where a female performer gets infected with HIV. Is this a fetish? Are you fine with this?
As for my reference to abnormal-personality/psychopathology research, I'll let you be the judge (if you are unaware).
ma meeshka
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Nah, sticky a poll.
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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duefuss
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Realtip wrote:
An affinity for one fetish is no more of an indicator for sociopathy than an affinity for any other fetish.
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No single 'indicator' is ever sufficent to establish sociopathy or any mental condition. However, some fetshes or paraphilias, such as BDSM, or rape fantasy when present with other behaviors, e.g., animal abuse, lack of socialization, etc. can very reliably predict mental disorders. By themselves, no fetsh is anything more than a perfectly normal(IMO) individual turn-on.
This is psychology, however, not Math. Indicators of mental disese, no matter how numerous, are not flawless predictors of it.
 
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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^ I agree, regardless of what my personal reaction to these fetishes might be. Some would argue that *all* sexual preference is a fetish - it's just that some of them have become normalized. That doesn't mean I feel comfortable or empathetic toward people who get off on another person's actual pain.
realtip
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 11:49PM
True. But it doesn't make it wrong either. Who decides that an act is going "too far?" I always thought that was up to the performers to decide. These are consenting adults performing these acts. If they don't find their acts to be so intolerable, then who is anyone else to tell them that they are? It may be a matter of personal opinion. But in the end, it's for them, not you or us, to decide. The only decision you're responsible for making is whether or not to view it. If there's a demand for a fetish, and there are performers willing to perform it, then so be it. The same goes for deep-throating. So, yes, as long as the performer has agreed to do it, then there's no reason that I should I find it unacceptable. Even if I did, it's still her choice to do it, as well as someone else's choice to watch it.
However, this cannot be compared to your example of the transmission of HIV, or any other disease. For one thing, no performer consents to be infected with an STD. Plus, nobody dies from hard anal sex or deepthroating. Infecting someone with a deadly disease cannot at all be compared to the desire to view a particular consensual sexual act. Also, I was not taking issue with your statement about animal cruelty, only the incorrect assertion that it is comparable to an affinity for a certain fetish. Again, animals cannot consent, neither do they have the power to say "Stop," "No," etc. The comparison between the two is ridiculous.
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 2:14AM
^ RT,
I disagree completely.
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First, let me make these caveats/stipulations, to prevent confusion.

  • This is my opinion and me stating my opinion; no more, no less

  • Whenever possible I try not and force my opinion (in this case and many cases) on anyone else in the form of advocating mandatory laws or regulation, especially in cases of issues related to private life.

  • Even though I construe this as semi-public behavior, in this case, I am not advocating any governmental regulation/intervention, just merely an ethical contention.

  • I enjoy many fetishes myself.

  • I understand my opinion amounts to fairy dust, however, this does not negate my opinion.

  • If you take exception to my opinion and statements, I don't know what to say.

  • In the bigger picture (in porn), I'm sure there are much more 'important' issues, irregardless, I felt it was relevant to this thread.


I am responding to your post above in the following format, because I could easily write a billion pages on this topic and other issues related to consent. This format allows me to stay on point/topic, while responding to your specific questions and comments.
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My responses
Q: "Who decides that an act is going "too far?""
A: I decide for myself to guide my thoughts and behavior, no one else (see above caveat section regarding my stance of not imposing my opinion on others). I stated my preference in this context.
Comment: "I always thought that was up to the performers to decide."
Response: Yes, it is up to them to decide what to do with their bodies. It is not up to them or you, only I can decide my views/values that result in my personal stances (i.e., "right" or wrong).
Comment: "These are consenting adults performing these acts."
Response: Yes, consent is a mandatory/basic component of any potentially risky behavior (and even many non-risky behaviors). However, like I stated before, IMO, consent in itself does not give immunity/green-light for anything goes, as I don't buy the whole "if she consents, everything is dandy" in ethical arguments.
Comment: "If they don't find their acts to be so intolerable, then who is anyone else to tell them that they are?"
Response: I try to consider extraneous circumstances/variables (many times failing). For example, there are many scenarios where a person can willfully consent, yet I would find it unacceptable (e.g., coercion, false pretenses, psychological/cognitive impairment, etc. etc.).
Comment: "It may be a matter of personal opinion. But in the end, it's for them, not you or us, to decide."
Response: Yes, it is for them to decide if they want to partake in the activity. It is me to decide if I want to procure their material, support this behavior (not financially speaking), and even condone this behavior.
Comment: "The only decision you're responsible for making is whether or not to view it."
Response: I disagree. Please see my previous response.
Comment: "If there's a demand for a fetish, and there are performers willing to perform it, then so be it."
Response: I do not wholly (100%) subscribe to the any 'market driven activity' is fine, especially as a justification. Usually I support this view, but in this case I do not support/approve of it. It could be argued that there are other unacceptable 'fetishes' that are on the extreme spectrum, but I won't cite these.
Comment: "The same goes for deep-throating. So, yes, as long as the performer has agreed to do it, then there's no reason that I should I find it unacceptable."
Response: Not sure of your example, but I was referring to a specific instance/example of deep-throating, not the general activity.
Comment: "However, this cannot be compared to your example of the transmission of HIV, or any other disease."
Response: Why not? We were talking about fetishes and this was a real example I came across and I found it applicable.
Comment: "For one thing, no performer consents to be infected with an STD."
Response: No performer consents to having a rectal prolapse (not that I know of), but it happens.
Comment: "Plus, nobody dies from hard anal sex or deepthroating."
Response: Although I would assume there aren't a lot of deaths attributed to the cases I was referring to, I think it would be overreaching to say there wasn't any. Applying your statement to the scenarios I originally cited, I find it presumptuous on your part, as there would be a significant number of cases that would most likely be classified as a medical/surgical emergency, where infection (in case of rectal prolapse) is a real threat. Also, I don't view death as the only non-desirable harmful outcome to a performer, as there are other outcomes that are unsatisfactory (e.g., disability, disfigurement, cripple etc. etc.).
Comment: "Infecting someone with a deadly disease cannot at all be compared to the desire to view a particular consensual sexual act."
Response: Please see my response to your "For one thing..." comment. Also, I submit it is relevant as this demand/preference satisfies the criteria/technical-definition for fetishes.
Comment: "Also, I was not taking issue with your statement about animal cruelty, only the incorrect assertion that it is comparable to an affinity for a certain fetish. Again, animals cannot consent, neither do they have the power to say "Stop," "No," etc. The comparison between the two is ridiculous"
Response: I will limit my comment here to preventing me from straying too far off topic. That being said, this is how many things in science/research is discovered. Subtle or even disconnected links are often formed after empirical analysis. I didn't say it was a fact or proven. Also, even though my wording wasn't the best (I don't equate the two), I was trying to draw a parallel showing that correlations can/do exist for behavior/preferences and psychopathology (please don't confuse my statement as I am saying there is a causal link or mutually exclusive relationship here & also please consider the stigma of psychological disorders). I was just stating a personal theory; no more no less.
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Edited by - killbillvol69 on 10/18/2009 1:31:17 AM
realtip
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Rather than address each individual point you made, I'll just say that I agree with most of your post, mainly those points about your opinion being only that. I do not take exception to your opinion. You are entitled to it. However, the problem arrives when those opinions become unfounded generalizations about the people whose opinions and preferences differ from your own. You are right that you are responsible for deciding what's right/wrong/ethical/acceptable for yourself, as long as you are the only person for whom you are making those decisions.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 6:36PM
Have you ever thought that using a soddering gun on some posters' heads might be a good way to fix so much of the painful mind fuckin' that goes on around here?
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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What's a soddering gun?
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 6:57PM
Well, it's like a soldering gun, only spelled incorrectly.
Now sod off. ;)
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 6:58PM
Maybe I meant "sodomy gun".
I'll have to give it a think.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 6:59PM
Better idea in relation to the painful ass fuckin' thread.
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Edited by - bob on 11/5/2009 6:59:44 PM
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 7:01PM
I actually wasn't being a dick (for once) - I genuinely thought I was about to learn something new. Turns out you're just not good at spelling. Sigh.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 7:03PM
I'm great at spelling -- just not at proofreading.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 7:06PM
Now I'm thinking, "sodding gun".
It's like one of those drills with a dildo attached.
Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 5 2009 : 7:09PM
I've never thought of you as a dick, even once.
Sorry to disappoint. Maybe some other time.
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Fuckin' spelling!
Edited by - bob on 11/5/2009 7:11:16 PM
Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Bob All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 1:42PM
There's erotic pain.
And then there's pain pain.
Not even a sexual masochist enjoys getting a stubbed toe.
torris
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Posted - Nov 10 2009 : 2:42PM
Here here. It reminds me of an old Bloom County cartoon. "Bless us oh lord the righteous and smite the unwashed godless heathens". I have no interest in having anything put up my ass but I enjoy seeing painful anal b/c it's real emotion in an industry that passes off artifice as real emotion. Hard to fake moan your way having Lex Steele's cock in your ass.
This is porn. We pay to watch girls fucking and painful anal is one way to cut through the thousands of run of the mill releases. It's a turn on for me not b/c I want to punish these porn girls but b/c I'm into the dominance and submissive ass-pects of it
I'm a consumer I don't have to justify my expenditures to anybody and there is a market for this stuff that I will pay top dollar for. This post is just a lame troll
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