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roderic
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3 Posts
10/08
Posted - Oct 16 2008 : 1:59PM
I was foolish enough to shell out on a Peter North produced DVD recently just because it had a model I like in it. The scene was basic b/g but well shot with good angles and not too much editing. It could have been a great scene, but in fact is virtually unwatchable due to the diabolical quality of the picture. I can't believe anyone would want to produce something as crappy as this, when all they need do is get a decent fricking camera! The problem is that when the camera goes even a tiny bit close up and shows any rapid movement - which is kind of the point - the picture goes all fuzzy. After a few minutes I was feeling quite dizzy from all the blurring going on. Unbelievable. This is only the second Peter North title I've ever bought - the first one was the same rubbish quality but I thought things may have improved over the years - how wrong I was. Seriously, why would anyone want to buy such below par videos? I don't understand it at all.
Macko69
Senior Member

Gone for a walk.
1985 Posts
5/08
Posted - Oct 16 2008 : 2:05PM
I have a few of the DVDs from the North Pole series and I've also downloaded some stuff from his website. I never noticed any problems. What DVD was this?
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

1881 Posts
6/05
Posted - Oct 16 2008 : 5:10PM
I think the problem you described could be from them over-compressing the video to get the movie onto a DVD5, when a DVD9 would have been more appropriate. Maybe.
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Oct 16 2008 : 5:28PM
Roderic is dead-on with his criticism!
I just watched Deep Throat This #'s 38, 39, and 40, and was struck by how inferior the quality was from just about any metric you choose to evaluate.
I've seen better video from the illegal VHS bootlegs that all the stroke shops used to stick us with over the years.
FYI, I have all the Deep Throat This and North Pole DVDs from volumes #1 to present, so I have a great deal of perspective on this.
Also, I watch an incredible amount of porn from many studios, and I am insulted by the poor quality coming from North Star these days. Is is, simply, inexcusable.
RandomPrecision
Senior Member

Enjoy!
8175 Posts
3/06
Posted - Oct 16 2008 : 5:34PM
This is the main reason I avoid Peter North. High production values aren't exactly the norm in porn but that's just ridiculous.
 
krustylu
Member

21 Posts
8/07
Posted - Oct 16 2008 : 6:56PM
Does he even perform in scenes anymore? Maybe he has lost the will to produce and make good porn.
ddl33
Member

442 Posts
2/08
Posted - Oct 16 2008 : 7:03PM
How come no one ever knows what I'm talking about whenever I bring this subject up?
From my experience this visual problem comes in different levels. It looks like Northstar is still exceptionally bad.
With that said, I haven't watched any North stuff in a long while because of the bad quality mentioned. I was going to check out one of the new titles to look for any improvement but I guess I'll pass. In this day in age you're always better off renting before buying.
tritone
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1009 Posts
4/03
Posted - Oct 19 2008 : 3:43AM
As someone noted earlier, the problem is not in original taping, but in post production. They overcompress their video so that the resulting output will fit onto a cheap 4.7 GB single-layer DVD (called a DVD-5). "Quality" production houses use dual layer DVD-9s, which can hold twice this size and accommodate higher encoding bitrates. This gives you richer picture quality and almost no digital artifacts ("blockiness") during moments of high motion.
For years now, NorthStar Productions has been releasing their content on DVD-5s. I guess this saves them money on production, but now as the use of HD cameras proliferates, the baseline standards of adult video quality are increasing (even Standard Def DVDs look better if they come from HD sources). This in turn makes NorthStar's cheap, low-bitrate DVDs seem paltry.

Edited by - tritone on 10/19/2008 3:45:46 AM

HeyNow All-Star Supporter
Oblivious

Gold Star Hey!
5965 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 19 2008 : 3:49AM
Hopefully they can get the technical stuff down again - they used to have some pretty great stuff in the 1999 to 2003 time frame (give or take a year.)
JohnW
Senior Member

1351 Posts
6/08
Posted - Oct 19 2008 : 6:52AM
Most of the North material I have is good quality. I don't have much of the later stuff tho. Never had any problems with the North Pole movies, and I watch them on my high resolution pc monitor as well.
OliverAshe
Northstar

9 Posts
11/05
Posted - Oct 23 2008 : 5:40PM
Hello all ,
Thank you for all your comments and concerns. I too am a diretcor for NorthStar. We have communicated all your issues on the series mentioned above to Peter. We are making some changes that I know all fans will truly appreciate.
In my opinion you have to keep making things interesting for the consumer to keep them coming back for more. I watch a lot of videos from other directors in order to keep improving and honing (sp) my craft so I can continue to grow as a director.
You will see improvents in the lines in the near future. Thank you for all your comments and concerns. Although I do not direct any of Peters lines I do for NorthStar itself. I am getting pretty fair reviews and I am please that people do like my work. However I try to change things up a bit with diferent locations , set ups etc. This to me is very important.
Again thanks for letting us know We (I) do value your opinions and concerns.
OA
Narcissus
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Love Thyself
418 Posts
1/08
Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 4:54PM
well, i've been jacking off to porn for 20+ years and i've seen the quality of vids progressively improve over the years. back in the day, i could still cum to the (then) inferior quality of the vid. so, quality of the vid is not that huge of a deal to me. so long as i can see the action.
my complaint about a recent Peter North dvd (the latest North Pole series release), i bought is not the technical quality of the vid. ... but the quality of the scene itself. i, too, had got the dvd because the model on the box cover. when i watched the scene i was very disappointed about how drab, plain and colorless the set was. the whole scene took place on a bed? wtf? who does that anymore? didn't that go out in the 80's? i was also disappointed with the lackluster performance of Peter himself. there was absolutely no heat in the scene. maybe the model wasn't into him. maybe since ol Pete has fucked thousands of women, it's no longer exciting for him and he was just going through the motions.
either way... i'm a disappointed with Northstsr and it's gonna take some revamping before i'll shell out any money for more of their product.
tylerj
Senior Member

Double the pleasure, double the fun
2562 Posts
10/08
Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 5:04PM
I just watched Peter North's POV 18, the quality was alright....but the Trailers froze up, I was looking forward to scenes from #17.....I also thought the scenes were too short, it was over in an hour. But Holly West and Aurora Snow were great in their scenes!!!
OliverAshe
Northstar

9 Posts
11/05
Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 6:08PM
Narcissus,
I was also referring to the scenes. We need to have more set ups and have the girls do more that just the typical bedroom scene. I hope to win back your viewership. We need more angles and what have you to improve the scenes. Take it away from the bedroom if you will.
There is much room for improvment. I agree.
Thank you and I hope we see you back on board soon. I would love to discuss this more with you. send me an email at mba2269@yahoo.com and we can even talk personally. I would like to hear more. I appreciate the input and Craven and Peter are now both aware.
OA
DJ3
Member

48 Posts
3/06
Posted - Oct 24 2008 : 11:12PM
Stopped even looking at North Pole product years ago. It seems like they can't be bothered with even the basics. Menus that don't work. Lame editing. Terrible lighting. The list goes on.
there`s other stuff out there form people who actually make an effort.
 
roderic
New Member

3 Posts
10/08
Posted - Oct 25 2008 : 12:43PM
The reply from Oliver Ashe is appreciated. I would be amazed if Peter North does not up the qualty of his DVDs in this high definition age - but then I'm still amazed he hasn't done so already. I guess it would would be too much to expect him to discontinue the crappy DVD-5s (or whatever) immediately and convert them to the higher quality. Yeah, what am I thinking? Hmm. I heard that Blu-ray players help improve the quality of even standard DVDs that are played on them. Does anyone know if this is really true and whether it would be likely to make any difference to Peter North videos?
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 10:43AM
You know fellas, there's nothing inherently bad about putting product out on single-sided DVDs.
You can easily put 90-minutes of quality-looking video onto a 4.7 GB single-sided DVD-5.
North Star movies are seldom longer than 90-minutes, if that.
One issue is that, North Star doesn't even use the disk space available to them.
As many of you know, a 4.7 GB single-sided DVD-5 leaves you with 4459 MBs (4.35 GB) of available space for video DVDs.
Looking at three recent Deep Throat This releases, notice how the available space is used (not used):
DTT #40
Total Disk Space Used: 3.94 GB (4035 MB) = 90% of disk used
Main Feature Disk Space Used: 3.26 GB (3339 MB)
Main Feature Running Time: 1:29:14 (89 minutes) = 37.5 MB/per minute
DTT #39
Total Disk Space Used: 3.81 GB (3901 MB) = 87% of disk used
Main Feature Disk Space Used: 3.06 GB (3135 MB)
Main Feature Running Time: 1:13:04 (73 minutes) = 42.9 MB/per minute
DTT #38
Total Disk Space Used: 3.53 GB (3615 MB) = 81% of disk used
Main Feature Disk Space Used: 2.92 GB (2987 MB)
Main Feature Running Time: 1:18:08 (78 minutes) = 38.3 MB/per minute
Let's contrast these with Glamcore from Teravision/Vivid:
Glamcore
Total Disk Space Used: 5.64 GB (5775 MB) *released on DVD-9
Main Feature Disk Space Used: 3.7 GB (3786 MB)
Main Feature Running Time: 1:31:13 (91 minutes) = 41.6 MB/per minute
Notice that Glamcore, at 41.6 MB/per minute, is comparable with the Deep Throat This releases.
So, while they all devote similar amounts of disk space to the main feature, the Teravision/Vivid product is gorgeous and superior in every respect.
Teravision/Vivid could have burned this movie onto a 4.7 GB single-sided DVD-5 -- without any loss of quality whatsoever -- simply by putting a few less extras with the release.
The media used (single-sided DVD-5 vs dual-layer DVD-9) has nothing to do with it!
The problem is that, North Star is putting crap onto the DVD to start with.
And, the product has gotten noticeably worse over the last two years or so.
Poor video quality...
The same fucking "set" over and over...
Inferior lighting...
Jerky "MTV" camera work...
Fucked-up disk "authoring" with menus that don't work properly...
Zero production values...
How about a little hair and makeup attention with the girls?...
And, talking about the "set," I present you with the "brown couch":
Staircase -- tile floor
BrownCouch_01.jpg
Let's put the couch on the oriental rug
BrownCouch_02.jpg
Let's move the lamp on the bureau to the right end
BrownCouch_03.jpg
Lose the plants
BrownCouch_04.jpg
That's it, no plants... and add a candlestick
BrownCouch_05.jpg
Ooo, Ooo, Ooo... I know... let's add the couch's 2-seat baby brother
BrownCouch_06.jpg
How about against a bare wall?
BrownCouch_07.jpg
Too "Extreme"... move the end table over, and add a plant from the staircase
BrownCouch_08.jpg
How about in front of the windows?
BrownCouch_09.jpg
Perfect! Let's open the shade and use the natural light (don't worry about that pull-cord)...
BrownCouch_10.jpg
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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18631 Posts
4/08
Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 1:07PM
^Ah, the stories that couch will be able to tell its grandkids... :)
axlsfury
Senior Member

1110 Posts
7/04
Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 7:52PM
^I hope they use a proper leather conditioner to keep it like new!
rlankford
Senior Member

2045 Posts
6/06
Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 8:20PM
Scott Hancock of Overboard Video puts out all the stuff from his websites (Stuffed Petite, Only Teens Blowjobs, Throated, 1000 Facials, Meat My Ass, Share My Cock, Love Your Tits) through NorthStar. Same problem. They hack up all the origianl web scenes, with some 20 minute scenes shortened to just 8-10 minutes, then drop them onto a DVD5. Most of the time the runtime is only 80-90 minutes. I hate this. It's just cutting corners, cutting costs. But they certainly don't pass it on to customers as their titles cost the same as many DVD's running 3 or 3.5 hours. They have lost my business.
Jeff @ IAFD All-Star Supporter
Webmaster IAFD.COM

931 Posts
6/00
Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 10:09PM
Goddamn, BigBobXXX, that photo essay was fucking hilarious... and spot on.
Bravo!
Harri Patel
Senior Member

#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele
5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Oct 26 2008 : 10:21PM
Is the BTS 10 minutes of a guy moving the couch around?
HeyNow All-Star Supporter
Oblivious

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5965 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 27 2008 : 2:57AM
3 cheers for BigBobXXX!
warrenwest67
Member

Thanks for the mammaries.
966 Posts
1/07
Posted - Oct 27 2008 : 1:50PM
The last I heard Peter wasn't as active in the business anymore? Not that he sat in on every editing session and/or shoot.
Johnothan Pedak
Senior Member

Catastrophe
1594 Posts
6/07
Posted - Oct 27 2008 : 7:09PM
After spraying such massive loads, Peter has no energy for anything else.
 
monkey power
Member

Tim?
868 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 27 2008 : 8:04PM

Peter's nutsack requires much rest between blasts to build back the sperm pressure into his ho's hose. And you know how the Canadian health care system is--if Pete needs an MRI taken of his dong he has to wait 20+ weeks.
So furniture shopping is a luxury that there's just no time for unless you want him to not be fully recovered for his next scene. Plus, do you know how tough it is to find good sex furniture? Once you've got hold of a chair or couch you really like, that's like gold man.
(Nice montage.)
OliverAshe
Northstar

9 Posts
11/05
Posted - Oct 30 2008 : 1:42AM
Thank you all for your comments . I forwarded to Peter and Craven. I am sure something positive will happen. I take all of your feedback seriously. I am sure they do too. I hope they jump on this thread.
Thank you,
OA
tylerj
Senior Member

Double the pleasure, double the fun
2562 Posts
10/08
Posted - Oct 30 2008 : 2:16AM
Cool, the movies have the potential and the stars....I want to see it better, I really like the movies...and will buy again
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Nov 1 2008 : 11:02AM
How Now Brown Couch... North Pole #71 Edition:
Brown Couch stars in three of the five scenes (1, 3 and 4). I can't show them all due to likely violations of the ADT Image Policy.
Scene 1 introduces a new "arrangement" along the wall. I couldn't figure out if this was a Santeria altar, or Carmen Miranda hiding behind the couch
BrownCouch_NP71_1.jpg
Scene 3
BrownCouch_NP71_2.jpg
Now, in Scene 2, I can't believe my eyes. The three-seat couch is now cloth, but of eerily similar design. And, notice that the "set" is otherwise completely emptied out. What's up with that?
ClothCouch_NP71_3.jpg
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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18631 Posts
4/08
Posted - Nov 1 2008 : 1:19PM
Ha! That's funny shit! Nice one BigBob!
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Nov 9 2008 : 12:56PM
Brown Couch Fan Club... North Pole #70 Edition:
Brown Couch stars in three of the five scenes (2, 3 and 4).
Scene 2 introduces a new location -- in front of the vertical blinds with a stereo system set dressing
BrownCouch_NP70_2.jpg
Scene 3 along "the wall" with our familiar set pieces re-arranged
BrownCouch_NP70_3.jpg
Scene 4 back in front of the vertical blinds with a stereo system set dressing
BrownCouch_NP70_4.jpg
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Nov 9 2008 : 1:48PM
Not to be forgotten is the "Pink Bedroom" set.
In North Pole #69, Scene 1, we begin with a minimalist approach (e.g. no drapes)
PinkBedroom_NP69_1.jpg
In North Pole #70, Scene 1, we add some drapes, dress the set and add a new bedspread
PinkBedroom_NP70_1.jpg
In North Pole #69, Scene 3, we add a bedsheet to cover the headboard.
It is likely a no-expenses-spared tribute to the glory days of the Deep Throat This series, where Peter and Craven always found creative and innovative ways to distinguish the NP titles from the Oral Adventures of Craven Moorehead series titles (shot with the same female cast on the same "sets" for both series).
Since this is Peter's scene, the bedsheet covering the headboard, no doubt, sets it apart.
PinkBedroom_NP69_3.jpg
Edited by - BigBobxxx on 11/9/2008 2:34:02 PM
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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18631 Posts
4/08
Posted - Nov 9 2008 : 2:21PM
^Hilarious post again, BigBob.
peternorthfan
Member

13 Posts
11/08
Posted - Nov 11 2008 : 3:36PM
I like the big clock in the background.
There is a scene with Peter and Amy Reid in Natural Knockers (#5 I think) where you can see the clock in the background several times during the scene. It gives you a good idea of how long it took to film the scene, and when they took a break from filming!
great thread!
sintricate
Member

528491
174 Posts
6/06
Posted - Mar 15 2009 : 1:04AM
I just read this thread and have noted that since this originated, all Peter North and Northstar Associates activity has come to a grinding halt. In the last two or three months, I think they put out a couple of DVDs-best of discs. Other than that, tumbleweeds are blowing around at the North Pole. I am a fan of a lot of Peter's content. I did get a good laugh at all of the flaws pointed out in this thread. However, I don't think that people wanted to crush the Northstar "empire" or his ego! Even his website seems to be regurgitating content as new updates. Anyone know any status? Has he gone "Joaquin Phoenix" on us?
 
Harri Patel
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5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Mar 15 2009 : 2:32AM
I hope you're happy, BigBobxxx.
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Mar 15 2009 : 8:56AM
I want the brown couch when they have the auction.
No, I'm not happy! I've been a huge Peter North fan and purchased an incredible amount of his product over the years.
The problems with North Star predated this thread -- which is why this thread became relevant.
Peter has not been that active over the past couple years or so.
Without Peter in his movies, who cares? Certainly not with the lame product that they have been putting out.
Cumwhipper
Senior Member

4050 Posts
3/04
Posted - Mar 15 2009 : 9:12AM
LOL! I can't believe I haven't seen this thread before. I've been complaining about these same things myself in I don't know how many posts. Considering how many scenes are still great in the DTT series despite all the flaws, it's a minor miracle, but those scenes could have been all-time classics if not for the maddeningly bad color, lighting, etc.
Airbag
Member

239 Posts
7/03
Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 5:29PM
Has North retired from being in front of the camera? Haven't seen him billed in anything for ages.
messhuga
Member

Stop the Swedes!!!!!
824 Posts
3/07
Posted - Mar 16 2009 : 6:00PM
Wow I can't believe I missed this priceless thread for so long.
I stopped buying Peter North joints more than 3 years ago. The production was lame and no frills that it makes Lethal Hardcore look like high end porn.
But geez I nearly fell off my chair laughing at the posts in this thread.
I think BigBobxx pretty much summed up what most fans feel about the Company and its very poor production standards and lazy sets.
warrenwest67
Member

Thanks for the mammaries.
966 Posts
1/07
Posted - Mar 17 2009 : 11:39AM
I sware I just bought that couch and the matching love seat. I never noticed it the exact same one. It might smell a little better being new and all...
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Edited by - warrenwest67 on 3/17/2009 11:47:11 AM
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Mar 17 2009 : 11:58AM
^ Gives me a stiffie just looking at it
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 17 2009 : 2:29PM
^ I laughed out loud at that post. Nice one BigBob!
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 9:04AM
Just noticed this new ad this morning.
I guess the North Star folks really do love the ADT gang.
PeterNorthAd.jpg
Richie04
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50 Posts
4/08
Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 12:59PM
BigBobxxx"The media used (single-sided DVD-5 vs dual-layer DVD-9) has nothing to do with it!"
I couldn't agree more.
"The problem is that, North Star is putting crap onto the DVD to start with."
But why? This doesn't make sense. There is no reason to intentionally downgrade the bit rate. Right?
And I certainly can't believe that the material was orignally filmed at a lousy bit rate - heck even my HandyCam gives me 8 megabytes per second.
Just can't figure out where things are going wrong for them.
Edited by - Richie04 on 3/22/2009 1:02:18 PM
sintricate
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528491
174 Posts
6/06
Posted - Mar 23 2009 : 12:06AM
That ad is priceless! I am glad that they put a picture of Peter right next to..um...Peter? Brilliant juxtaposition of shirtless vs. clothed. And the Rolling Stones are oh, so proud of this moment in free promos.....
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 10:18AM
Since this thread, it's become quite obvious that something has happened with Peter and North Star.
But, what?
I haven't seen a single new DVD from North Star in over six months -- not even recycled "best ofs," comps or older scenes finally being released.
Not a word from or about Peter.
Or Craven.
North Star product is also disappearing altogether from online retailers and rental sites.
(I'm afraid I'll never be able to get Deep Throat This #37 so that I have the complete DTT series)
So, does anybody know anything?
Granted, Peter has always been very quiet, almost reclusive, but somebody must have heard something by now?
torris
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1827 Posts
1/00
Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 3:12PM
I've been "retired" from pron for the past couple years, any good Peter North facial blasts to recommend. There's a dude in one of the Bang Bus series (Ass Parade 22/Gisell Humes iirc) who's getting off some voluminous facial action
sintricate
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528491
174 Posts
6/06
Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 9:47PM
Torris, there are plenty of decent facials scattered around websites like BangBros, Naughty America, and Brazzers. I am not saying they are Peter North level, but there have been some good ones. If you already have a BangBros membership, they have a site called FacialFest, that is pretty good. As far as DVDs, the only thing out there that is close to the Deep Throat This series (from NorthStar), is the "Suck it Dry", and "Sloppy Head" series from Jonni Darkko through Evil Angel.
BigBobxxx, Just about a month ago, I wrote back and forth with NorthStar Enterprises' Director of Business Development. Her name is Kim Chase. She told me that Peter has new lines coming out, and I think she hinted that some existing series (like DTT) will continue. She stated that announcements would start sometime this month, and that there would be a visit with Howard Stern, where he would announce his new stuff. She also stated that there would be improved quality and formats of the new content (evidence that this thread made some waves). I am a big fan of his work, and hope the new stuff starts soon! If you never find a copy of DTT 37, just send NorthStar a check and I will burn you a copy! J/K!
Ordell
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1042 Posts
6/05
Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 12:29AM
I don't think DVD-5 is a legitimate excuse. All my JAVs are DVD-5 and they look beautiful with no compression errors, etc.
shellshock91
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663 Posts
1/05
Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 12:46AM
I haven't been into Peter North's porn in years. His North Pole series used to be a can't miss for me.
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