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John Pype
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Posted - Apr 28 2004 : 1:58AM
I have a largish collection of photos (mostly jpeg) which I am currently organising in a FileMaker Pro (version 5) database. When I open the jpeg files in Photoshop they are almost pin sharp but when I open the same files inside the Filemaker Pro database they have lost some of this definition and the colours have less depth i.e. are less saturated. I do not understand why this is happening. Can anyone offer an explanation and a solution?
picman
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1/03
Posted - Apr 28 2004 : 6:24PM
Most non graphic apps use a proxy image (low res) for their display. I don't know if Filemaker does this, but it's likely. Check the preferences to see if there are display options.
Evil_Rip
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Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 1:45AM
May I suggest an alternative..

ACDSee 6.0

It also allows you to organize your collections and it is the best damned image viewer ever.

I have a collection of around 400,000+ images and its a great piece of software. Some of my directories before organization contained upwards of 25,000+ pictures.

With version 6 there's even a plugin that finds Exact duplicate images and allows you to delete them.
Great!

daviangel
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Only time I would buy a girl flowers is if she was in the hospital
455 Posts
1/04
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 10:25PM
Hey Evil_Rip it sounds like you have about as big or bigger collection of pics than me!
I have 1 directory with over 100,000 files and I think it must be causing acdsee 6 to choke. I was wondering if you have had any problems with corrupt acdsee database's and if so how often it happens. It seems to happen about once a week for me for some reason?
Only thing I noticed is that acdsee 6 creates these catalog files and it causes major fragmentation of my harddrive for some reason but I'm not sure if it relates to corrupted databases? I think I just need to reorganize into smaller directories cuz even on my 64bit cpu opteron with 2gigs of ram and 15,000rpm harddrive it still takes a couple of minutes to open up and browse the thumbnails in the larger directories.
John Pype
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I adore sluts
779 Posts
9/03
Posted - May 2 2004 : 7:44PM
Thanks Evil_Rip, will start saving!
 
Evil_Rip
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12/99
Posted - May 4 2004 : 5:14AM
daviangel
you have an interesting problem.
Well once my directories started getting over the 1000+ pix mark..AcdSee 2.41 (My favorite version)
Really choked.

Version 5 and version 6 were so much better at looking at dirs with lots of pix.

How many thumbnails are you trying to look at-a-time?

Here's the thing I've noticed regarding thos dirs with 5000+ images. It is not ACDSee's fault that it takes a long time before it starts displaying the images.

From what I understand the FileSystem is what's causing the problem. The fileSystem just wasn't meant to handle displaying all these files in one Directory.

You probably also notice if you try to goto the directory in Windows Explorer it also takes a hella long time to open as well.

Ahh the database corruption issue. I remeber there is a way to disable the catalog files.
This forces ACDSee to recreate the thumbnails...
This is both a positive and a negative.
ACDSee's thumbnail priority is where you currently are.. then it starts back at the top and works its way down.
You save yourself the hard drive space... and fragmentation issues by not having a catalog file.

But you loose the optimizaiton of having your thumbnails appear quicker.

Hmm dilema. now if you move your file.. acdsee has the thumbnail but not the new location.. bummer!
You have to use ACDSee's optimize database function..

Ways to speed up thumbnail generation.
Get Rid of all overlay icons.
And probably turn off image dimensions..

Less information to display.. the faster it will show.
I usually keep filename displayed. but of course its upto you.
You can also reduce the size of your thumbnails..
I kind of prefer the 12 hex 90 or larger sizes..

Alternatively..
you can have another hard drive dedicated to the catalog file.
you say you have a 15000 RPM drive is it SCSI?
YOu can get yourself a relatively cheap 9.1gig 15Krpm scsi drive and have it be dedicated to only your catalog file.. and you might as well through your pagefile on there as well.. or get another 9.1gig drive just for your page file..

Not that it matters now... and I'll belive it when I see it..
Microsoft is developing a new File System for its next generation of Windows.. it is supposed to be much much faster than the current file systems. .. WinFS
BIll probably downloaded like 10 billion pornos and needs to see the directories quicker!
If it really delivers.. then we may see a good performance increase when accessing directories with 10K or more files..

jamesn
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Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 4 2004 : 6:49AM
if you're running ntfs, obviously do the stuff above, but i'm guessing your problem is that windows sets the default mft to 12.5%, which chokes on huge amounts of files(like pictures), set it to somewhere between 25-50%, starting at the lower value. that should stop the need to search for and read 2 blocks, since the data will be in one place
Evil_Rip
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Posted - May 5 2004 : 3:53AM
Which reference are you using that suggests changing the MFT size?

Looking at the MS website Change MFT Zone Size

It suggests increasing the MFT for storage of many smaller files 2k-7k.
Are you extrapolating that given large numbers of files per directory would be better served with a larger MFT?

Evil_Rip
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Posted - May 5 2004 : 4:00AM
This looks interesting
Optimizing NTFS

This article looks very familiar. I think I may have done some of these tricks on my Win2K machine to improve the file system performance...
you may want to search google for more NTFS optimizations...

daviangel
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1/04
Posted - May 5 2004 : 7:10AM
Yeah I think you guys are onto something with it being partly an OS/filesytem issue. My observations as far as this goes is that when I use windows server 2003 acdsee seems more responsive and the thumbnails seem to load faster although I haven't come up with anyway to benchmark this it' purely subjective as I said. Also if I use linux I use suse 9 with it's ext3 filesystem there definitely is no slowdown when browsing even 100,000 thumbnails and the cool thing in linux is that once it creates thumbnails of images you have in a directory it doesn't seem to recreate them everytime you log back into your computer like windows. You'd think some porn lovers like us would've come up with some sort of benchmarks for this type of thing by now but I haven't found anything on this topic?
snowman872
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Posted - May 7 2004 : 5:05AM

ACDSee recently released a minor update (6.03). It helped with some of the speed problems.

I wish ACDSee could create better galleries for the web.

-- Snowman

jamesn
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Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 7 2004 : 6:00PM
poking around anandtech, tomhardware and a few others, i thought this was a pretty good explanation, maybe the problem is related to fast drives heating up, the sizes of your icon cache and how many folders you have in memory. microsoft's official stances on some things run counter to what people end up finding works better, think about how many useless services they default to auto on xp. i guess the firewall industry loves that...

"In Windows NT (with SP6) and above you can control how much space for the MFT (Master File Table) is reserved.

For each file and folder NTFS uses, an entry is created inside the MFT. This allows NTFS to located the objects very fast.

However, only a MFT that is in one block is really fast. If you copy many small images to this computer, the normal MFT space is properly to small, so the MFT is continued on a different location on the hard disk.

This is not a problem because the computer still works, but any request to a file takes much longer because now NTFS needs to seek for two MFT "block" and reads both (for every file access!). In this example, a big MFT would be a good idea so it is keeped in one block.

On the other hand, if you only have some very huge database files on this computer, a huge MFT is not a good idea since every file request takes longer than needed (the MFT is allways read completely). That's because there are only few files on the disk and the MFT could be small.

Unfortunately, Microsoft didn't specifies this setting in detail, so the only chance is to play around with this settings and check the performance of the computer after you have changed this setting "

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - May 7 2004 : 6:00PM
poking around anandtech, tomhardware and a few others, i thought this was a pretty good explanation, maybe the problem is related to fast drives heating up, the sizes of your icon cache and how many folders you have in memory. microsoft's official stances on some things run counter to what people end up finding works better, think about how many useless services they default to auto on xp. i guess the firewall industry loves that...

"In Windows NT (with SP6) and above you can control how much space for the MFT (Master File Table) is reserved.

For each file and folder NTFS uses, an entry is created inside the MFT. This allows NTFS to located the objects very fast.

However, only a MFT that is in one block is really fast. If you copy many small images to this computer, the normal MFT space is properly to small, so the MFT is continued on a different location on the hard disk.

This is not a problem because the computer still works, but any request to a file takes much longer because now NTFS needs to seek for two MFT "block" and reads both (for every file access!). In this example, a big MFT would be a good idea so it is keeped in one block.

On the other hand, if you only have some very huge database files on this computer, a huge MFT is not a good idea since every file request takes longer than needed (the MFT is allways read completely). That's because there are only few files on the disk and the MFT could be small.

Unfortunately, Microsoft didn't specifies this setting in detail, so the only chance is to play around with this settings and check the performance of the computer after you have changed this setting "




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