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SSBN
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431 Posts
6/06
Posted - Jun 7 2010 : 2:21PM
Anabolic, Red Light, Vouyer Media, Platinum, Zane, Devils, etc, etc, etc, only made compilations and bad movies lately.
Jules Jordan, Vince Vouyer, Mike John, Brandon Iron, etc. are very lazy lately. They release a lot of boring and old scenes too.
What happen with old times of gonzo ?, Not more money but more important is not more ideas ...
What future become for really good porn ?
Flash All-Star Supporter
Golden Age Classic

11018 Posts
5/01
Posted - Jun 7 2010 : 2:29PM
I think that you are going to see, as profits continue to go down and theft continues to rise, more and more compilations so that companies can make money.
SwirlieCEO
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Swirlie.Com
241 Posts
11/09
Posted - Jun 7 2010 : 4:28PM
This is what happens when you release massive amounts of porn month after month. It gets stale. It seems like companies feel they have to keep churning out releases to fight for shelf space or else they'll go the way of the DoDo bird.
Also, theft is insane. As someone who makes their living shooting amateur porn and promoting other websites, I can't stress how much I value those of you who are helping the industry by spending your hard earned money purchasing porn. Unfortunately, the newer generations just don't feel it's something you pay for. That eventually affects everyone in the business from the largest companies to the small guys like me hustling.
Plus, it's the same girls over and over and over and over and over again doing the same things over and over and over and over again. I mean... it's really boring anymore. No heat, no nothing... just people fucking. But that's what happens when you get a bunch of people just in it for the paycheck. It's just a job to most... fuck and move onto the next set.
- Swirlie CEO
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posthum
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349 Posts
12/09
Posted - Jun 7 2010 : 4:35PM
First time I read this from someone working on the rear end of the camera. And true for most stuff I've seen for a while now.
SwirlieCEO
Member

Swirlie.Com
241 Posts
11/09
Posted - Jun 7 2010 : 8:23PM
I don't really shoot anymore. I used to... back in like 2001-2004. These days, I mainly just promote other sites. I'll occasionally shoot a scene here and there, but not enough to really matter to anyone.
Anyway... I always was a porn fan, but the stuff I'm seeing today just bores the hell out of me. Honestly, there's only a few products that make me pay notice.
- Swirlie CEO
 
Harry Buddha Palm
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51 Posts
3/09
Posted - Jun 7 2010 : 11:53PM
Yeah, that's the truth. If companies put out better product, their profits might start getting better. Gonzo is boring as shit. I know its cheap to produce and the performers prefer doing it to more extravagant productions, but it's dull dull dull. There's only so many times you can watch a girl get banged on a couch.
The big companies like Vivid and Wicked still put out some features, but they're full of the same girls over and over and made by the same directors over and over. I HATE the contract system. I absolutely HATE it. Why bother watching the latest Digital Playground feature when it has the same girls and same director as the last dozen Digital Playground feature?
Variety is the spice of life. Porn-makers need to get creative again. Porn is supposed to be about fantasies. I don't fantasize about nailing a girl on my couch. Tell good stories. Explore taboos and sexual fantasies. Show us something we haven't seen before. Porn used to be all about that. Now it's just about how far they can stretch a girl's asshole open.
Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

3832 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 8 2010 : 7:07AM
What you call lazy is actually much like the duck appearing calm on the surface but paddling like mad below. Sorry to bore you. When you see me on a cliff and say, "Jump!" I will say, "How high?" Steve Driver proved that 50 feet will do the trick.
ekarth
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211 Posts
1/10
Posted - Jun 8 2010 : 9:17AM
you're right . no good bbw Latina booty movies made.
its same routine skinny white angelic looking teen girls doing sex like aerobics.
NewRomancer
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738 Posts
7/08
Posted - Jun 8 2010 : 11:21AM
Hear hear. Give people something they think is worth their money, and they will spend money on it....
Give them the same old garbage, turning a deaf ear to their requests, and they will not even steal your crap.
I've learned that I'd rather watch hot people having good or great sex instead of porn. Porn is fake... It's boring... And it refuses to change, no matter how easily it could.
mike john
Mike John Productions

389 Posts
8/02
Posted - Jun 8 2010 : 6:17PM
Oh how I wish being lazy was the problem.
Edited by - mike john on 6/8/2010 6:17:49 PM
VincentVanGauge
Former Fucking Virgin

Paying trib-ute to SinncentVanSage
1412 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jun 8 2010 : 6:59PM
Some people possess more porn movies than they can ever watch without getting bored, and still there's a thousand times more porn movies out there they don't possess. There's just "too much porn" out there from an economical point of view, so those who produce it have to fight for an ever smaller piece of cake. And I haven't even mentioned piracy yet.
Still it could be worse... way worse. And maybe it will get worse. Maybe in ten years we'll have to read thread titles like "Favorite porn scenes without product placement". Maybe there will only be two porn studios... and the only difference between their movies will be whether the girls shove Coke or Pepsi bottles up their holes. The only improvement will be the ever increasing number of bottles... and though one day there might be a girl who could manage to shove 7 up she wouldn't be allowed to due to legal reasons. Of course people will get bored soon by all the 6-only crap, and the two porn studios will have to do something new... something pushing the limits. So they will start to mix their bottle brands... a bottle of Coke in the pussy and a bottle of Pepsi in the ass... wow, Nu Interracial, now that's what I call breaking a taboo. But why doesn't pornstar XY do NuI? Is she a carbonic acist? Oh wait a minute... what did she just do? Put the Pepsi bottle in the pussy and the Coke bottle in the ass? That genius! Reverse NuI all the way. Almost as good as the golden days of 2010...
Hardware All-Star Supporter
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14594 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 8 2010 : 7:09PM
Really? The EBI has practically turned into a Russian gonzo fan club.
Furthermore, internet "sharing" sites are crammed full of 'boring' gonzo scenes, thus proving that plenty of other people value it, even if you don't.
What I see is that the reduction in profits caused by all this internet 'sharing' is driving the market toward new faces, period. There's no incentive to do more than make the cheapest movies possible if they're going to be posted 'for free' on the internet the day you release them. There's no incentive to develop a star because there's no return on that investment. All the 'fan boyz' will share your movie with their internet buddies for free, and the extra investment in a star won't garner you one extra dime.
Unlike the mainstream media, pornographers can't offer a 'movie going experience' that you can go to your megaplex and enjoy with all your friends. They depend on individual sales, and that is exactly the market that all this internet piracy is killing.
Roads To Moscow
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Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com
1390 Posts
7/05
Posted - Jun 8 2010 : 8:13PM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and in no way am I challenging yours.
I can only speak for Vouyer Media - only four months ago we released the two-disc Not Really...The Dukes Of Hazzard: A Hardcore Parody, our first scripted feature. It became the first VM release to receive unanimous Editor's Choice reviews from both AVN and XBIZ, surpassing even The Gauntlet #3 for positive feedback. Next month we'll be releasing the follow up, Vouyer Media's Taxi: A Hardcore Parody.
And this week, we're releasing the largest project of Jack Napier's career, It's Big, It's Black, It's Jack #10, which pairs the actor/director up with fourteen starlets. The franchise has received the AVN award for Best Interracial Series for the last two years in a row (2009 / 2010) and this is the most ambitious entry yet in the series. Details can be found here.
As I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect yours. I simply wanted to point out that we believe we are creating high-end releases, and the awards and editorial input we've received this year seem to substantiate this view.
Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow
ControlFreak
Member

At the end of the day, it is what it is.
629 Posts
12/09
Posted - Jun 9 2010 : 9:28PM
The old format is dead for a lot of reasons. Even if there was no theft and a thriving economy, technology has enabled fans to endlessly watch only the stars and niches that they want to. In the old days, porn tapes and DVDs would come out with one sex scene by the star you wanted to see! She spends the rest of the movie in a speaking role. And there were lots of filler scenes. Compilations and recycled porn actually fits this era regardless.
ControlFreak
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At the end of the day, it is what it is.
629 Posts
12/09
Posted - Jun 9 2010 : 9:30PM
Keep up the good work. I'm a fan of Voyeur.
 
M.B.
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1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - Jun 9 2010 : 10:38PM
I know 3 store owners and the longtime employees in my area pretty well as I've been renting there for many, many years.
These stores were mainly movie stores. Bring in tons of rentals a week. Toys were not that big, they stuck to movies.
The best store (in it's heyday) was moving 250-300 rentals out the door per day + sales, on Fridays and Saturdays they would do more like 500. When they opened at 10:00am there were7 or 8 people sitting in the parking lot waiting for them to open the doors...on a weekday! This was when DVD's had just exploded and VHS was still hanging around. They had a wide range of customers. People in their 20's all the way up to the old folks.
If you go there now the rentals have dropped drastically...they're completely dead. Nowhere near the numbers they used to do. VHS died. And you won't find anyone under the age of 40 in the stores anymore. Why? because people in that age bracket are all tech/internet savy. Anything they want they can download for free.
It used to be if people were going to copy a scene or two or even the whole movie to keep for themselves (VHS days or early DVD days) you'd at least et the rental out of them, now even that is gone.
Add in the fact that porn in general got way too comfortable churning out the same old shit week after week, month after month. No originality whatsover. The old star based system was gone. Didn't need a star to sell a movie anymore...just new girls. There were a few exceptions of course like Jenna Jameson and a couple of others but in general you didn't need the star to sell your flick anymore, just plenty of young girls and lots of anal. After awhile I would hear people complain that studios are just churning out the same movie over and over again with girls that are here today gone tomorrow, if this months flicks are the same as last months, why should I shell out the cash?
And then the directors began believing they were the stars, not the girls. The fuckin' idiot behind the camera was talking through entire scenes. Shut the fuck up and shoot the scene, don't want to hear your blabbering when a beautiful girl is getting fucked.
All those comps that people are talking about are there because it's cheap. All they do is repackage old scenes in a new case, that's it.
There's still good stuff out there. Evil and Elegant Angel, 3rd Degree, Zero Tolerance etc. but the glory days are gone.
There's still money to be made on the toy end of things, that's something I don't think will ever change, but it's a different business. Way more overhead, space issues etc. It's just very different.
Most of the movie stores in my area are gradually shifting to sales more than rentals or just closing all together. Selling titles that are a few years old still sealed really cheap. Tons of really good movies from well known studios being sold really fuckin' cheap. Hustler, Red Light etc. The owner told me that he's looking at sales almost like a rental but looking to movie it right away and make $5 off it.

Edited by - m.b. on 6/9/2010 10:48:58 PM

Rosco Fuji
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3309 Posts
2/09
Posted - Jun 10 2010 : 4:10PM
I wouldn't say that. The reason I stopped going to the store is because I started using a company like Bush Dvds, kind of like a net flix for porn. You spend less, you build a que, and you walk to the mailbox. Lot less effort than going to a store.
redhead
Member

Not so redhead these days...
718 Posts
1/08
Posted - Jun 10 2010 : 4:43PM
The only porn that has stood out as amazing to me recently is the trailer for Kimberley Kane's newest release 'My Own Master'. It's creative, hot as fuck and the trailer alone turned me on more than anything I've watched in the last 6 months.
AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy
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Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity!
465 Posts
3/10
Posted - Jun 10 2010 : 6:44PM
The industry keeps employing incompetent men on the basis of their connections. The buddy system is in full swing, and the faces keep getting more familiar. They are more interested in being sick and dehumanizing than sexy and hardcore. These companies are so interbred with each other, you can't tell them apart.
Vouyer is also boring as hell, in my opinion. He's an off-shoot of Anabolic. They are all notorious for repetitious cinematography....facial close up, penetration close up, 45 degree angle of a woman from the ankles up, ...repeat.
"Something about Jack"...I wish men would realize that they are not the stars, the women are what we want to see. Jack is a well endowed "Mr. Softy" who gives me strong homosexual vibes...nothing more. AVN awards mean nothing, it is little more than P.R. psychological ego boosting bullshit.
ControlFreak
Member

At the end of the day, it is what it is.
629 Posts
12/09
Posted - Jun 10 2010 : 6:51PM
Actually, as I am a fanatical anti-implants guy, Jack scored big points with me in "Jack On Blondes 1" because he went into a 5 minute melodramatic rant after Anita Blue suggested she would get a boob job. At least Jack knows perfect tits.
Edited by - ControlFreak on 6/10/2010 6:56:18 PM
screwcap
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I'm walkin' here........
1032 Posts
6/10
Posted - Jun 10 2010 : 6:52PM
I think perhaps we all become a bit jaded and expect too much too soon.. I think this industry, like others, is cyclic and prone to up/down in the economy. Economy aside, there are just way to many tube sites/pirates out there. Dont these labels have any kind of (c) enforecement? If not they should invest. Yes, adding competent legal staff is a big expense, but after of few of these "tube" sites (most of them, if not all infected with malware) get shut down, more revenue will come in. Sumtimes u have to pay up front to receive the desired end result. the other side of the coin is perhaps they just don't care enough and preceive the tube as free advertising. I'm a gonna close the yap now and let others more elequent tear me a new one.
Edited by - screwcap on 6/10/2010 6:53:24 PM



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