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Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:39PM If anyone's expressive, it's the artist -- not the canvas. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:40PM RandomPrecision wrote: I agree. But I like them for both reasons. Click to expand i guess i meant to say, i don't dislike their aesthetic--i love it--but that's not why i like them. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:41PM The ethos of being someone else's canvas is passivity, even if it's angry, aggressive passivity. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:43PM However, if a girl tattoos herself . . . That begins to get interesting. [Link]

Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:43PM Even if unattractive. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:44PM Bob wrote:Writing a poem, drawing a picture, composing a song -- that's free expression. Picking a tattoo pattern off a wall is about as expressive as selecting canned goods. Click to expand In that case, I guess there might as well only be one kind of car, made by one company and all in the same color. We don't need different clothing styles or hairstyles either. I mean, it isn't a sculpture or a poem or whatever so why bother? [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:52PM I agree. Why? [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:53PM Bob wrote: Writing a poem, drawing a picture, composing a song -- that's free expression. Picking a tattoo pattern off a wall is about as expressive as selecting canned goods. Click to expand i know, i wasn't really talking about their tattoos. i don't have a real opinion of them, but i think you have concocted some strange web of logic that i fear to tread near. too sticky for me. i was actually referring to the community, and the fact that it's all on the girl's terms, and it's really just about them as individuals, instead of it being an industry where the girls are interchangeable and expendable, and where it's about how much they can be exploited for some stranger's gratification. not all of the girls have tattoos or piercings, but they are prominent. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:56PM Bob wrote: The ethos of being someone else's canvas is passivity, even if it's angry, aggressive passivity. Click to expand this is more strange logic that i fear to tackle. most people i know who have tattoos have designed their own. or they've chosen something that has great significance to them. or they just got something stupid. again, i wasn't talking about tattoos, just the suicide girls in general, more in line with their community and fashion-sense. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:56PM Bob wrote: I agree. Why? Click to expand you're both commies. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 4 2008 : 11:59PM i like that our avatars have an almost identical colour scheme. very pleasing to the eye. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 12:01AM ma meeshka wrote: most people i know who have tattoos have designed their own. or they've chosen something that has great significance to them. or they just got something stupid. Click to expand I vote, "Get a bumper sticker." [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 12:03AM ma meeshka wrote: i like that our avatars have an almost identical colour scheme. very pleasing to the eye. Click to expand [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 12:21AM Bob wrote: I vote, "Get a bumper sticker." Click to expand oh, uncle bob, you're quite a card. [Link]

scipio Senior Member 1901 Posts 2/00	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 6:17AM Bob wrote: scipio wrote: Who's the Arbiter of banal from on high, though? You? Me? BDG? Nope. Doesn't work like that. People don't live their lives based around what some random on the intertubes thinks. Click to expand scipio, It's called, "Stating an opinion." Click to expand mmmmm... though the way it's presented implies that it's more than an opinion, rather a statement of fact. The selection of canned goods comment and that of passivity are quite revealing in their implications, though. You design and make all your own clothing and footwear? For what it's worth, I agree that choosing something off the flash doesn't tend to demonstrate creativity, but not everyone is creative. Even fewer people in a manner of visual arts. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 11:24AM scipio wrote: mmmmm... though the way it's presented implies that it's more than an opinion, rather a statement of fact. Click to expand Some of my opinions are strongly held, not tentative. The selection of canned goods comment and that of passivity are quite revealing in their implications, though. Click to expand Can you elaborate? You design and make all your own clothing and footwear? Click to expand No -- but then I don't claim that my clothes shopping is an expressive act. Indicative, yes; expressive, no. . [damn typos!] Edited by - bob on 3/5/2008 11:25:57 AM [Link]
dmzline Member 43 Posts 8/07	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 11:51AM With the restrictive contract required by Suicide Girls, I cannot think of them as liberated. I know, two different things, but it does kill the whole idea for me. [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 12:42PM I agree with ma meeshka that most of the people I know who have good tats, designed (not drew) them themselves. I can't draw worth a damn, but I worked one-on-one with the tattoo artist to design my wrist bracelet to make it a perfect reflection of my personality. (a delicate vine supported by barbed wire) [Link]
cocacoladdict Member 359 Posts 1/08	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 5:01PM my problem with porn fashion is what I call the flourescent hooker look. I'm sure neon orange and green are good for getting customer attention on dark streets but in your average decently lit porn set...give all the neon a rest [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 6:01PM dmzline wrote: With the restrictive contract required by Suicide Girls, I cannot think of them as liberated. I know, two different things, but it does kill the whole idea for me. Click to expand what of these contracts? i did a google search and found this article from feb 15, 2008. their noncompete agreements have been voided. i don't know much about the legalities of things like this. [Link]
dmzline Member 43 Posts 8/07	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 7:00PM I didn't know they had voided the non-compete, it used to be insane. They had a well known photographer sued for competing with them, but I don't know the final disposition of that. On modeling forums the "don't work with suicide girls" threads are common. I've been in college and had no time to think about that lately, so I haven't looked at it much. The non-compete clause was so broadly defined that any modeling for I think 2 years was a no no, unless it was with SG. Apparently some photographers even received cease and desist orders from SG because they unknowingly worked with a SG model, but I have no first hand experience with that. The non-compete clause would be fine if they were backing it with steady work, but that isn't how it turned out for most SG models. But it is their business, not putting them down for it, just like I said, it doesn't really fit the whole "liberated woman" idea to me. Edited by - dmzline on 3/5/2008 7:04:50 PM [Link]
dmzline Member 43 Posts 8/07	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 7:14PM Here is one side of the story: http://www.apneaticmedia.com/ [Link]
HarryWild Member Make me believe 622 Posts 2/05	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 7:14PM I agree! Most of the ladies are so sleazy in dress that it a complete turn off! You might as well hire a street walker. Where the conservative dress lady that all men dream of? It like your images in most videos - plain sluts - tattoos and all! I blame the directors that probably could not find dates so they end up with streetwalkers and so when they do the wardrobe; that what they think of as sexy! (Just kidding!) Diectors don't get mad! [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 5 2008 : 8:08PM dmzline wrote: The non-compete clause would be fine if they were backing it with steady work, but that isn't how it turned out for most SG models. But it is their business, not putting them down for it, just like I said, it doesn't really fit the whole "liberated woman" idea to me. Click to expand i see what you're saying. i was referring more to their personalities and their community interaction than their modelling work. but in that context, that's probably even more restricting than some porn contracts. and you're right, they better be providing steady work for them. [Link]

Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Mar 6 2008 : 5:30PM BustdownGal wrote: yes, not all porn fans are the same age...but all new porn stars are! 18! Let them look like 18-year-olds and not cougars. Click to expand This is a very good point, but not all young adult women dress in the SG fashion. I work in a sex shop, and I meet young women with varying styles. You can break them down into several groups. 1. The Suicide Girl types. Let's be honest, this look takes a hell of a lot of work. There's a lot of time and attention spent on grooming, dressing and applying make-up, particularly for the girls that sport the pin-up look. It's a high-maintenance look. As edgy as they look, they have to primp a lot. 2. The deliberately nerdy mods. These are girls that dress like rejects from Revenge of the nerds, on purpose. They wear very little make-up, have unkempt hair, choose to wear unattractive glasses, and dress like academics. These are the people I consider "hipsters." They're too cool for school, and always have that bored look about them. 3. The Paris Hilton wannabes. Designer fashions, portable little dogs, $400 purses, natural make-up over fake-and-baked skin, and some dipshit guy whose wallet is spewing money. 4. Tweakers. These are the girls that look 60, even though they're 22. They're always covered in soot, and they're hair is breaking off. Might be missing some teeth. Usually stealing. 5. Hoochie-mamas. Big hair. Big ass. Big boobs. Tiny, tiny clothes. Frosted lip gloss. Pencil-thin eyebrows, and mile-long fingernails. 6. Average girls. Jeans, T-shirt, natural make-up, hair in ponytail. Might splurge on manicures and shoes. 7. Hip-hop divas. Bling, bling, bling! 8. Genuine nerds. Hopelessly clueless. 9. Tomboys. Don't have the time, patience or desire to dress up. Distinguished from Average girls by the lack of make-up and fingernail polish. 10. Exotic dancers. Dress like the porn starlets BDG is complaining about. Buy costume-y lingerie using store's professional courtesy discount. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 6 2008 : 7:48PM Pagoda, Approximately how do the groups break down in percentages out of total female customers? [Link]
Pagoda Senior Member Thread Killer 1747 Posts 10/05	Posted - Mar 6 2008 : 9:20PM I made you a pie chart, Bob! Click on the the picture to enlarge it. Local Style Breakdown I see young women of every ethnicity within each of these groups. There's always exceptions to the rules when generalizing this way. Most people can't be pigeon-holed. I will say that the universal styles (at least here in the Pacific Northwest) are All-American-Girl, Complete-Nerd, Hipster-Mod, Tomboy the Tweaker. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 6 2008 : 11:46PM Thanks, Pagoda. You're a sweetheart! I'm really delighted to see that "All-American Girls" make up by far the largest percentage! [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 2:14AM 1. What's the difference between a hiphop diva and a hoochie mama? 2. To say that a receiver of a tattoo is not expressive because they are not the tatoo artist is like saying a film director is not expressive because he is not the production designer. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 7:58AM or physically manning the cameras. doing the lighting. checking continuity. applying the make-up. holding the boom mic. cutting the film. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 10:55AM BustdownGal wrote: 2. To say that a receiver of a tattoo is not expressive because they are not the tatoo artist is like saying a film director is not expressive because he is not the production designer. Click to expand Only if you can explain how a receiver of tattoos is like a film director. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 3:54PM You might try to make the argument from fashion designer, but even that would be a stretch. Maybe &quotdresser" or "head of wardrobe" . . . . [Edit: afterthoughts] Edited by - bob on 3/11/2008 3:38:26 AM [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Mar 10 2008 : 4:00PM Here's a tattoo that I don't find banal: Edited by - bob on 3/10/2008 9:19:06 PM [Link]
kataboom master blaster ad astra per aspera 995 Posts 6/03	Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 12:00AM its cause they dont hire professional makeup artists or stylist with real credentials. porn has a shoestring budget. just stare at the genetalia during the scene. lol [Link]

Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 2:11AM Bob wrote: Here's a tattoo that I don't find banal: Edited by - bob on 3/10/2008 9:19:06 PM Click to expand That's art on a beautiful canvas! I've been watching a bunch of Bryan Xin's movies the last few weeks, some from the Naturally Stacked series and Cheek Freaks etc, one of the stand out themes amongst some very hot, well-shot, nicely lit sex between folks who seem to be enjoying themselves is the attention paid to the clothes. This may have been the lovely Sunchen's doing, and it works, the whole thing looks co-ordinated - the girls look gorgeous, not way, way over the top trampy, just very, very sexy in clothes and lingerie that really let them show off in the best ways. I don't watch porn for the clothes but I mostly enjoy it more when a production takes a bit of care. [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 9:05PM Another problem I see is shitty makeup applicators, there aren't too many great makeup artists in this business and the good ones usually work for the same people! A lot (not all) of "directors" don't think about what they want until they get to set... the fuck junkie ♠ [Link]
dmzline Member 43 Posts 8/07	Posted - Mar 11 2008 : 10:40PM Good point on the makeup. I've seen a few where they had an awesome MUA and it made everything look classier. [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 6 2008 : 8:59AM the receiver of tattoos, like the director, is in charge of the project even though she's not the only creative mind involved in the process. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jul 6 2008 : 1:52PM ^^^ Valiant effort, but it doesn't survive under scrutiny. The director is the "primary maker" of the movie; the tattoo recipient is not the primary maker of the tattoo. At most, the tattoo recipient is like the screenwriter who provides the film's blueprint, or the producer who oversees the project from a broadly financial, logistical, and creative viewpoint (but not in a hands-on manner), or the actor who portrays the character embodied in the screenplay under the director's guidance. The recipient can only be likened to the screenwriter, the producer, or the actor to the extent of their actual level of involvement in the creative process. Otherwise, they're closer to an investor in the film, or the film stock on which images are imprinted, or the moviegoer who chooses among the films showing in the theater that day and purchases a ticket. [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 6 2008 : 11:20PM Bob...please. You're the one trying to say that a tattoo owner is not expressing themselves through their tattoos simply because they don't draw it themselves. Come on man. Tattoo owners either design or choose their tattoo. That's self-expression. [Link]
Holly Randall Member 9 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jul 7 2008 : 2:13AM I hate tattoos, especially on girls. No matter how beautiful the tattoo (and there are some gorgeous ones out there-- Sophia Santi's is nice) all I can do is picture how it will look like when they're middle-aged. But then again I shouldn't be picturing today's models naked at 50 anyhow. I have a stylist, but due to budget reasons I can't use her as often as I'd like. And sometimes she does lean a little more towards the old-skool Playboy look, since that's her background and she's worked for my mom for so many years, who loves to drape EVERYTHING, bless her heart. That being said, not everything that's in fashion these days is particularly flattering to one's shape. The oversized tops and UGGs don't really translate well in porno world. But the look I do hate is the gonzo neon mesh outfits. WTF is up with those? I like simple cocktail dresses, really classy lingerie and killer latex outfits. I used to be able to really go out there with styling but unfortunately most of our magazine clients want simpler outfits. Andrew Blake almost always hits the mark fashion-wise (he uses the same stylist as we do, but she has more freedom working with him). Some of my more favorite outfits: [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jul 7 2008 : 2:22AM BustdownGal...please. If you're going to try for an analogy, make it a good one. There's a world of difference between choosing and designing. There's designing -- and then there's designing. Sure, it's all "self-expression" -- but so is a bumper sticker. The real issue is the level of self-expression at work. And by and large, I think that level is low. But heck, I'm an elitist. [Link]
licker Senior Member Heretic, Iconoclast, Skeptic 1141 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jul 7 2008 : 2:41AM Pagoda wrote: 6. Average girls. Jeans, T-shirt, natural make-up, hair in ponytail. Might splurge on manicures and shoes. Click to expand I love this look. Wish we had more of it in porn, along with sun dresses and plain cotton underwear. 8. Genuine nerds. Hopelessly clueless. Click to expand And totally adorable. A woman whose mind is focused far beyond everyday trivia is someone to fall in love with. 9. Tomboys. Don't have the time, patience or desire to dress up. Distinguished from Average girls by the lack of make-up and fingernail polish. Click to expand Ditto as for "average" girls. I'd love to see more of them. I know I'm weird, but it really is the woman who I'm interested in. Fashionable paintwork and packaging adds nothing for me. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jul 7 2008 : 3:09AM licker wrote: I know I'm weird, but it really is the woman who I'm interested in. Click to expand Not so weird, I think. But in fashion, beyond glamor (which also leaves me cold) there is role-playing and fantasy -- what Holly Randall is pointing to. The girl-next-door is a fantasy, too. [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jan 6 2009 : 12:47AM tats rule! [Link]

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