PD: For those who think that it is a lot of money just to fuck, I tell you that the world works by supply and demand. If thousands of people are willing to pay to see you fuck, then you deserve to earn a lot.

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If the business is run by mature people the pay will increase. If someone has too big an ego to negotiate and renegotiate the prices, and if they keep going after the low hanging fruits, they will slowly start digging their own graves and will probably realise it after a point of no return, or when the brand name itself gets in the way of selling subscription.

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I hope that only leads to better porn. More professional better directors etc.

Edited by - Alizee on 1/28/2022 1:35:45 PM

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Most companies are already releasing less scenes per year. Blame the pandemic, blame OnlyFans, blame younger people not wanting to pay for things they can get for free.

Whatever the reason I doubt there will be an increase.

When talent is paid it's for a scene but technically isn't it a day rate?

Some shoots can last long hours and might be all day long.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the future companies try to get more clever and shoot more than 1 scene per day with the same talent they've booked (if they aren't already) They only need to release the scenes weeks or months apart; no different than how they already do for multiple scenes that book the same girl for consecutive days.

The issues will be finding girls comfortable taking multiple poundings in a single day (basically the same sensation as a gangbang) and male talent able to have multiple orgasms (though some sites already use fake cum for creampies...)

I was watching some pre-HD porn recently and I was reminded how much shorter scenes once were.

Reasons for this I assume were:

- Scenes shot on film were more expensive
- Digital cameras at the time had less storage capacity
- Internet speed wasn't as advanced so it would take more time to download a video; shorter scene = less downloading time

Once more cameras and cards could save several hours of HD video and internet speed increased I guess companies thought the scenes should be longer.

Realistically however, the average viewer is probably going to skim through it, or cum within 10 minutes; maybe sooner.

Unless someone really loves porn and wants to watch every second and frame, they're either edging for 20-50 minutes or remain hands-free until the moneyshot scene.

Maybe companies go back to shooting 10-15 minute scenes?

No doubt some fans will hate this but here are the pros:

- Sex isn't dragged out and IRL hours aren't wasted setting up shots and lighting, so for the talent it's more enjoyable and less stressful

Male talent in particular can worry less about blowing their load early (off camera/cut scene) and no longer need pills or injections to maintain erections for long hours

- Opportunities for new male talent. Most who audition fail because they can't get hard on command. Basically need to train NOT to cum and then cum ASAP when told. Doesn't sound fun. Let them cum at their own pace and the result is probably a better scene.

- Fans of certain girls get multiple scenes released by their favorite company instead of just 1

Subscribe for one 40 minute scene where everything is consistent or three different 15 minute scenes with variety? (Wardrobe, makeup, hairstyle, fetish/genre)

- Storage on phones has increased but guessing most viewers who have porn downloaded on their phone either only have a few large HD scenes due to space or multiple low resolution files.

Shorter HD files = more space to include more

Bad compression and lowering bitrates intentionally should not be endorsed.

- Girls are already selling short clips of themselves on their platforms. The companies would simply be doing the same but better.

Edited by - Big_Tits_Addict on 1/28/2022 6:04:38 PM

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I definitely need 30mins and prefer 40-60min. I'm not edging just taking my time and go with the flow that the scene has. Also why I often don't prefer gonzo. Why I like softcore as well etc.

My preferred video size/bitrate on smartphone is 1080p 12Mbps.
I have 20 favorite scenes downloaded on the phone currently, roughly 80GB.

I think porn studios should chase quality over quantity. Offer more than what people see on OF.

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I also like Deeper: Drive, Muse 1 & 2 are good for sure even if Maitland is not my type at all (fake tits, cougar, too bitchy dominant). A story through a series of 4-5 40min videos (can also be watched and sold individually) and the overall performance and look of it all just stands out. Effort was put into it.

If you go back to classics that are shot on film they're more story based and the actual sex is definitely not as long as we see nowadays. What Deeper does with the series mentioned above is getting close to that classic porn feel, maybe better.

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Most Blacked scenes are "I hate Boyfriend/Husband, I'll fuck this black guy I've just met" or "I had a dream about fucking this black guy....But it turns out it was real"

Vixen/Tushy & especially Deeper have decent plots, Why do they get so lazy with Blacked.

Also I wish VMG would update the BTS stuff more often and make them a bit longer and maybe add some interviews with the stars.

Edited by - redhood on 1/29/2022 8:04:45 AM

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The concept was simple. You just touch, caress and adore the model. I loved that some models were cool with that, the way their personality shined through is not possible with solo/ masturbation.

Yonitale website does not exist anymore. Hegre does. But hegre does not have the element of a photographer or someone really interested in caressing models. They hire pro male models which is not that hot. Still some of their work is groundbreaking.

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Or, when 3D was going to replace 2D? Did gifs make images obsolete? Do robots superannuated pro sports players? Did gaming tournaments reduce crowds during super bowl?

VR is more a medium of indie content creators, people shooting at home, they can't have scale but can compensate with more personal, immersive experiences. That is, if it ever catches up in first place.

First person perspective proved to be limiting in games (which is an interactive media) and only a few indie movies ever used it for their entire runtime. That, plus navigable 180° vision means not only being limited by the perspective but also wondering if you are getting the best view of the action. It makes sense if there is an orgy all around you but if the action is in a bedroom, why should I be looking at wall behind me when action is in front?

I don't like the weight of headset or the idea of chip inside my brain. I prefer to use stereo speakers and not headphones for same reason. It is so much freeing, comfortable and luxurious.

Yes there will be a lot of investment but intelligence without wisdom can be misleading and these companies will likely go bankrupt or settle as niche creators. Ironically, they themselves should be noticing that they can not put a lot of money in a VR porn production in the first place. It's small scale is why it has application in the first place.

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I think I've mentioned it before but there's a stigma for paying for porn among most people. But if several companies/brands were available on Netflix I think a lot more casual viewers would secretly be interested in watching and use the excuse they have a membership for non-porn Netflix content and the billing continues to show up as Netflix and doesn't look suspicious if that's a concern.

I wouldn't expect same day releases for brand new scenes but for some sites with huge catalogues with hundreds or thousands of videos, there's enough content to keep any viewer occupied and maybe the companies get a 6 month exclusive window before recent scenes eventually premiere on Netflix. This way subscribers of the adult site(s) still enjoy the benefits of earlier access among other options like downloads and commenting on the scenes for feedback.

The "peak" years of the industry supposedly was when hotels would carry/sell porn; those big contracts were a big deal.

If Netflix were to pay say $1000 a scene that seems like fair value for both parties; some scenes cost more than that to produce but let's assume those scenes at least broke even or turned a profit a long time ago so this new income is simply a bonus now. $1000 to license a scene is significantly less than the costs Netflix is currently spending on their average episode of garbage woke programming that they will end up canceling after 1 season.

100k per episode to produce a trash reality show or license 100 scenes for the same cost? On paper one option clearly has a longer running time and is better value.

Parental controls can easily be added to protect minors as a CYA.

If Netflix ceases to exist anyway at least they tried, but if adult content ends up helping to save them they look like geniuses for taking that gamble.

People also joke that OnlyFans has helped normalize porn. In a generation or two, everyone's mom will probably have an account.

The adult industry might end up getting associated with Netflix in the end regardless. If they fold, there will probably be great interest in acquiring some of their servers for hosting.

Edited by - Big_Tits_Addict on 6/27/2022 4:12:35 PM

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More of that seems like the fairest way for things to go.

And something, SOMETHING, needs to be done about the tube sites.

On the whole, I just hope lesbian porn gets back to the quality of the early '10s cause right now, the vast majority of it is just flat awful.

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There is another question that will people like an ad in between porn? To begin with, studios can start partnering with boutique fashion and lingerie brands and see how it works. You may also ask whether these brands want adult industry models to champion their brands.

But musings are without any value since we haven't even figured out the payment system yet.

I would suggest having something like Adult Entertainment Coin . Buy any scene individually for one such coin and half of it goes to the studio, half of it to the girl. Best of both worlds.

Industry would have to come together for something like this but they don't feel like innovating because they keep getting their more or less steady revenue. Pandemic was a time to experiment and companies experimented but the adult entertainment industry did not. Maybe because they saw spike in their earnings with people staying at home.

Porn needs to be big enough for general entertainment industry to be willing to shake hands with it. But even if you make a quality adult film there are limited avenues to promote it.

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Well we are almost two years in now and OFs got a turbo boost from the pandemic.

What seems obvious now is that the cost and accessibility quality production equipment paired with distribution platforms like OnlyFans makes it incredibly easy for anyone moderately talented or social media savvy to make some significant money if they make a few smart decisions and work hard on their content.

However.

The playing field will only get bigger and more competitive. My prediction is that as competition increases two things happen.

1. OnlyFans top content creators essentially become mini studios in their own right. Angela White is a good example of what is to come. With the money being made you will see content and cross collaboration's marketed at new levels.

2. This decade will see new platforms rise to compete with OFs that offer a better consumer experience.

My other predictions:

VR porn will 100% be huge by the end of the decade. It is still just ok right now but will soon offer the ultimate pov experience

Studios won't disappear, however the distribution elements of the studios is meaningless all that will matter is the quality of their content. So those that can still innovate and market themselves will thrive. For example I look at what Kayden Kross is doing at Deeper.com

I agree porn will continue to become more acceptable culturally as a profession and we will see more stars crossing over to "mainstream" however with the money in porn I think we will also see "mainstream" stars shock us and cross over into porn

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Technology exists so please! Spend some effort into proper lights and camera angels for scenes! even having multiple cameras should
be easy today. I see way to many low quality scenes and hey the girls get paid independent same anyhow.

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Edited by - Alizee on 10/28/2022 6:27:08 AM

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I think porn and mainstream will further converge and we'll see cross-platform productions. Major TV show with non-porn-actor main characters. Side characters are acted by porn performers. Web series continues the show's universe with side characters in hardcore scenes. That kinda thing.

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2. The mainstream actresses usually have both male and female fans. In comparison, porn actresses have mostly male fans only. So mainstream actresses are better investment.

3. What you are suggesting can never happen on industry wide level. Only a handful of actresses in porn can and will (in niche instances) land role as side character and it will be a while before we see one winning an emmy.

4. Before that starts happening you'll see prestige adult websites and some girls only doing hardcore exclusively for them.

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Furthermore, there is no longer this porn "hype". For the masses, porn is something that has lost almost all studios in recent years and is now somewhere locked behind a large, opaque pay wall.

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Edited by - Blast on 10/28/2022 4:09:38 AM

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Big Entertainment is losing mindshare. That's a existential risk. Porn is spectacle, and it's now a safer option compared to 20-30 years ago in relation to public blowback. At the very least, we may see what I wrote as a one-off experiment. Success is a different question.

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Edited by - froccer on 10/28/2022 9:40:48 PM

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It also had some wankable girls on it, so I'll add to my post: we'll be back to using National Geographic and reruns of BJ And The Bear to wank off to.

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About the std talk a few posts back. Recently I was in a group voice call with Ana foxx, Lydia black, Freya Parker and a few other highly popular girls. They were talking about the outbreak of chlamydia in the scene. Freya was surprised she now has to do anal swabs every 2 weeks even though she doesn't do anal. Surely I've seen her rimming girls at Slayed (not complaining).

Clearly you can get and spread chlamydia via oral

With sex acts changing so do the precautions. Should companies pay for tests? I've heard it's 200usd every 2 weeks (test interval) which sounds absurd. Will we then also see more exclusive contracts? Possibly.

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