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| pudknock Member A comfortable distance 499 Posts 7/06 | Reason: condoms. http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-onlocation-la-porn-industry-20140806-story.html Porn production plummets in Los Angeles As Hollywood battles to keep movie and TV shows from leaving the state, another local industry — adult entertainment — is fleeing Los Angeles. At least that's the picture that emerges from the latest data on location filming in the region. The number of permits issued for X-rated productions plummeted about 90% to just 40 permits last year compared with 2012, according to data from FilmL.A. Inc., the nonprofit group that handles film permits for the city and county. Only 20 permits have been issued so far this year. The decline follows the passage in late 2012 of a county law mandating condom use by performers. "We've seen a dramatic drop in permits," said Paul Audley, president of FilmL.A. "It is a cause for concern that people who are manning the cameras, lights and other things on those sets are not working anymore.... It's not helpful to have another segment of the industry leave the region." The decline in permitted shoots for adult entertainment comes at a time when L.A.'s workforce has been hammered by one of the state's highest unemployment rates. The entertainment industry has also been hurt by the flight of mainstream movies and TV shows to other cities and states offering tax breaks and rebates. Although critics say it's unclear how many companies may be filming illegally without permits, porn producers say they're taking their business to other counties in Southern California, as well as Nevada, Florida and Eastern Europe, where they say they face fewer regulations. The industry also has been forced to downsize amid declining DVD sales and free porn on the Internet. "We're not shooting in L.A. anymore," said Steven Hirsch, founder and co-chairman of Vivid Entertainment. "We'd like to stay here. This is our home, where we've produced for the last 30 years. But if we're forced to move, we will." The situation is the same at Penthouse Entertainment in Chatsworth. The company, which has 10 television channels and produces up to 80 movies a year, has stopped all local film shoots. "This month we're shooting 10 movies in Brazil," said Kelly Holland, managing director for Penthouse Entertainment. "Last month, we shot five movies in Europe. It's just too complex to shoot here." The decline in adult entertainment has been widely felt in the San Fernando Valley, where much of the multibillion-dollar industry is concentrated. Although porn production accounts for less than 5% of all film permits, the industry has traditionally been an important contributor to the local economy. A decade ago, local economists estimated that the porn industry in the San Fernando Valley generated 10,000 to 20,000 jobs annually and had $4 billion in annual sales. As many as 5,000 adult films were shot in Los Angeles in warehouses and private homes in 2011, according to industry estimates. "Losing an industry like that is going to have hugely negative consequences," said Stuart Waldman, president of the Valley Industry and Commerce Assn. "We're not just talking about actors or the filmmakers, but everyone from the grips and caterers to assistants," Waldman added. "These are people who live in the San Fernando Valley, buy homes, cars, send their kids to school and go to the dry cleaners. If they move, all the money goes with them." Whereas conventional film and TV producers blame tax credits for driving production outside California, porn industry producers cite fallout from Measure B, the ordinance passed by L.A. County voters. The law was advocated by AIDS activists, who argued that it would protect performers from disease outbreaks. But the measure has been assailed in the porn industry, which has argued that mandatory actor testing for HIV was already effective, and that the law's real intent was to drive them out of business. Industry advocates also have argued there is little market demand for condom porn and that many performers object to wearing condoms. Vivid Entertainment and others sued the county last year to prevent implementation of the condom requirement. A U.S. district judge found that the condom mandate did not violate the 1st Amendment right to free speech, but imposed restrictions on how the rule can be enforced. A federal appeals court is expect to rule on the lawsuit later this year. Michael Weinstein, president of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, which backed Measure B, disputes the notion that the porn industry is leaving L.A. "There is no question people are filming without permits," Weinstein said. "We're not against porn. We're not trying to drive them out of business. We want to protect the performer and we want them to be a safe industry like any other industry." Causing further alarm in the industry is a bill that would mandate condom use statewide and require mandatory testing of adult film actors. The bill, AB 1576, was approved by the California Assembly in May and could be voted on by the state Senate this month. Members of a coalition of industry groups, who testified against the bill at a Senate hearing Monday, said the measure was crafted without their input. They contend that a statewide condom mandate would give them less reason to remain in California. "They are working so hard to keep mainstream production in California while driving another type of legal production outside the state," said Diane Duke, chief executive of the Free Speech Coalition, a trade group for the adult entertainment industry. Assemblyman Isadore Hall III (D-Compton), who sponsored the bill, has argued that the law is necessary to protect performers from sexually transmitted diseases. "It's not that the industry is being targeted," he said. "The industry is being asked to protect their employees and provide them workplace protection." Hall notes that several porn studios with long-standing condom requirements have been successful. Like Weinstein, he also disputes the claim that porn filming is in decline. "That is absolutely not true," he said. [Link] |
| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | |
| hoochimama Deactivated User 1436 Posts 5/10 | ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 8/7/2014 5:25:41 AM |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Past studies of condom use have focused exclusively on their effectiveness in preventing infections and pregnancy, without any mention at all of their effect on the quality of sex and sexual pleasure. Which is like studying the effectiveness of some drug, while totally ignoring its side-effects and how they affect the quality of life. This kind of a study would be totally unacceptable for most medical prescriptions and treatments. Such medical studies always need to take into account unwanted side-effects and study them too. But in sexual matters, the medical community seems to have a double-standard. They don't seem to care about the quality of sex in people's lives. They only care about preventing infections, regardless of how it affects people's sex lives. Which is an unethical way of doing it, according to their own ethical standards that they use for other medical issues. Edited by - Dan on 8/7/2014 8:19:10 AM |
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| misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13 | |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | And what about the complaints that are being filed in other states now? At least one has been filed in Florida by AHF on a production there. If other states start following California will all the people making it pack up and move to another country? Edited to add, apparently AHF has filed one in Nevada too. Edited by - flash on 8/7/2014 4:30:56 PM |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Though the producers have their sales stats and most of all their download stats or see what scenes are downloaded the most even with the same talents involved Each of them is likely jealous of his own data , that's why there's no compared survey, but if they move to another State with no guarantee they will be allowed to film porn like in California ,I'd assume they have very good reasons Edited by - LCF on 8/7/2014 4:34:28 PM |
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| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Anyway I have no problem with condoms even though I prefer without but we all know the actual reason behind them is to wipe out porn ,and incidentally exposing to some Judge that they are filming porn in Sates where it's not officially legal like Florida or Nevada (as far as I know) |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | In reality, I suspect the truth of the matter is: Most viewers would say they prefer not to have condoms in adult movies. Note prefer is not the same as would accept. A decent percentage of those polled would say that they would accept condoms in adult movies. The same percentage of those polled that would accept condoms would say that if condoms were in adult movies that it would not affect their purchasing of the movies from a studio that they like. A percentage of the people who said they would not accept condoms would still purchase adult movies but would bitch about the condom use on forums. And if all companies went to condom use in adult movies that sales numbers overall wouldn't differ that much from now. This is just my opinion though. |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | I don't really care about condoms in porn but do note that Bang Bros, one of the truly successful porn sites, had condoms in all their scenes for years and still seem to have made a boatload of cash. These days they don't seem to have condoms though. Wonder what the story is there. |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | For 2004, the only straight company that I can find a record of is Seymore Butts. Vivid stayed condom only from 1998 to 2006, when they stopped Hirsch claimed it was due to a 10 - 20% decline in sales. Yet Hirsch calls Vivid, "condom optional" now which if that is true they could still put out all condom features. Wicked appears to still require the use of condoms. VCA was purchased by Hustler in 2003. I can't find any records of whether they stayed condom only until their sale or if they stopped prior. I can not find any records on how long Seymore Butts stayed condom only, or if it still is. There may have been more companies in 2004, that was the only company I could find proof of. I specified straight since it looks like many gay companies have been condom only for a long time now. |
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| whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11 | I don't really see any other state coming to a different ruling about the legality of porn production than California and New Hampshire. The attorneys in the other states would just use the same legal argument and use those states cases as precedent (as pandering/prostitution laws aren't different enough around the country to cause a different outcome). And then on top of that Nevada would have an added issue with the fact that that there are areas where prostitution is legal. All that is the reason you don't actually see people getting arrested/charged on the pandering/prostitution aspect of it anymore, because no one wants to start the proceedings to set that legal precedent in their state. When performers/producers do get arrested and/or fined, it's usually for indecent exposure, or being a public nuisance, or filming without a permit, or some other tangential issue. If the state government/legislature really don't want porn professionally filmed there, they're much more likely to do what AHF is trying to get California to do and have the whole thing be so regulated that companies don't want to shoot there. |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | From Wikipedia:Edited to add: AHF seems to be trying to target states where non-California based companies are operating out of as well, I am sure in the hope that they can bring similar measures there as well. With filming permits down in California, it seems to me that a better avenue than mass exodus would be for the companies to work with the state to create rules that both can live with. California seems to be concerned with losing the money brought in by adult movie companies, so it seems ripe for working together right now. Concessions would have to be made on both sides, but that seems like a better avenue to me than to start running to other states where the result would be completely unknown. Edited by - flash on 8/8/2014 4:03:52 PM |
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| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | The idea that other states would rule as Californa did in the Freeman case seems overly optimistic, to put it mildly. |
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I definitely remember Tom Byron going condom only for a while and later saying nobody wanted to see condoms except big boys like Vivid and Wicked who made most of their money from cable TV and PPV. IMHO the gonzo guys especially will stay away from condoms because they know their fan base won't buy it. |
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| charn fubar 2880 Posts 12/09 | If they can't set up business elsewhere, the pornographers can sell their cameras and try to find other jobs. Move or die. |
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