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mapofhawaii
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Posted - Mar 8 2014 : 2:19AM
I grew up on 70s and 80s porn, and many of my favorite all-time performers are from that era (Annette Haven, Ginger Lynn, Christy Canyon), but porn in the last 10 years is just so much better. Hotter girls, better picture, better directors. I can't even imagine trying to get off to an 80s flick now. Look at this list of smoking hot girls
Riley Reid
Mia Malkova
Jynx Maze
Remy LaCroix
Jenna Haze
Gianna Michaels
Dani Daniels
Alexis Texas
And more hot girls keep coming too. And the internet has helped in my opinion. It's brought in more girls than would have entered the business without it. Plus it means more and more scenes, which you might think dilutes the quality, but not so. This is the new Golden Age of Porn.
pervybrit50
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Posted - Mar 8 2014 : 3:22AM
Porn is in the golden age right now-the women are better looking than ever, have better bodies than ever, show more personality than ever, the direction & production values have never been better etc & you can even converse with them on forums like this & on their social media.
Draxxx
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Posted - Mar 8 2014 : 8:45AM
I've always thought up until about 2 years ago (when the money just wasn't there and the multiple health scares really affected the porn biz) that porn porn was better than ever. A better range of girls: Bigg boobs, big bubble butts, MILFs, younger, thin, curvier, etc., etc... A wider range of the type of sex you want to see: From KINK.COM to SWEET SINNER and everything in between. Porn is cheaper and consumers have so many more options to buy and attain porn. Much better picture quality. So much stuff is available from the 70s to now if a person prefers a particular era stuff.
The girls of today generally do more kinds of stuff and do it at a much faster pace. As much as some people here complain about IR, there's been more IR in the past 10 years than ever. More girls doing harder stuff than ever. More girls doing the harder stuff earlier in their career than ever. I feel the girls have been overall better looking than ever. Thanks to the MILF market it's great to see so many perfomers return to the biz and be able to work steadily. It's also good that porn becomes more and more accepted in the mainstream.
Yeah, I think porn is much better now overall.
Harry Buddha Palm
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 4:41PM
I disagree. I think it's more boring and lazy. A bunch of people screwing on a couch for an hour. Big whoop. Scenes are too long and too bland. I miss the days when there was an artistry to porn and people knew how to edit a scene to keep the pacing up. I miss great lighting and costumes and scenarios. I miss the days when you could watch a movie in one sitting. I miss when every movie didn't have a double digit number in the title. Porn's gotten pretty mean and disgusting overall, too. Spitting, gagging, gaping assholes, slapping. I've got a pretty strong stomach, but a lot of porn these days makes my stomach churn.
I've been watching porn for 20 years and I'm pretty over it. 70's and 80's porn was fun. 90's and early 00's porn was beautiful. This crap from the last decade is just disposable product cranked out as quickly and cheaply as possible. The same few actors in the same few houses on the same few couches screwing for 45 minutes. No artistry. No talent. No thought. No story. No meaning. No one cares. It's about the paycheck and nothing more. The old movies used to explore taboos. Today, they just explore colons. I'm done with it.
Cerebral Jedi
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 4:56PM
YOU KIDS STAY OFF MY LAWN!
 
pat362
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 6:21PM
^^Everything he said. I suspect that anyone who thinks that the stuff made today is the best ever is probably under the age of 25. Nothing wrong with that opinion but it's not one that I share.
stinkfist
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 6:50PM
Well said pervy brit,i love the fact that all genres are catered for and the girls are so beautiful :)
InstantClassic
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 6:57PM
Most of them are retired.
..and leaving within few months.
That's debatable. There is a lot of bad stuff outthere. No sense for camera work or lighting.
It's the beginning of the end. Most studios are dead. And come on..stuff like Brazzers, PornBros or Naughty America...unwatchable IMO. Quantity over quality.
Jules Jules, Mason, William H that's all what's left-
stinkfist
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 7:14PM
Are you not a fan of any Evil Angel Directors.
InstantClassic
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 7:57PM
^I have mixed feelings about Evil Angel. I like the Evil Anal series and Lex Steel is okay too. But I am not the biggest fan of robotic euro porn (IMO), extreme close ups and weird stuff with pig masks and other disturbing scenarios.
I see huge potential in Kevin Moore but I really wish he would use a strong male talent. Jay Sin is a hit or miss. Brilliant camerawork and lighting. The picture is crystal clear...but I am not much into G/G and he is using the same girls too often (IMO again).
prophetman13
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 8:42PM

Edited by - prophetman13 on 5/31/2014 8:36:59 AM
mharris127
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Posted - Mar 13 2014 : 9:47PM
The girls were hotter until the last couple of years where many of them went out and got tacky tattoos on their chests and stomachs. I am not much of a tattoo person anyway but women having chest and stomach tattoos is annoying to me, especially if otherwise the woman is cute. I hope the frontal tattoo thing on chicks is a fad that goes away soon (I could certainly live with the tramp stamp on the small of the back bit that has been in porn for years now).
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 14 2014 : 9:22AM
I agree about how many gorgeous women are performing today.
When I started watching porn in the 70s and 80s, there were a handful of theaters in the large city in which I lived. I had my favorite, which showed three movies a week. A few of them were memorable, and watching some of those on DVD confirms my memory.
But there were basically 10 or 20 women who would appear regularly in porn, and maybe a hundred other women who would appear in a few scenes. Most of them were pretty average looking, but a few were extremely hot. One or two could have graced the cover of Playboy. Today, there are a flood of absolutely gorgeous women entering the industry every day.
Yesterday, Tasha Reign was the 100th most searched babe on Freeones.com (i.e. the last name on the list). I think it's fair to say that #100 on Freeones doesn't make you a top-tier porn star.
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Seka was one of the biggest stars of the Golden Age, and one of my favorites. No doubt she was beautiful, and had a certain allure that Tasha Reign lacks. But we are comparing arguably the top star of the Golden Age with a mid-level performer of our day.
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Samantha Fox was probably one of the top-twenty stars of the Golden Age, and has been inducted into the AVN Hall of Fame.
SamanthaFox.pngI don't want to disparage any woman who will fuck on camera so a bunch of perverts can jerk off. But we are comparing a Hall of Fame performer from the Golden Age with a mid-tier performer of today.
pat362
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Posted - Mar 14 2014 : 9:55AM
My favorite performers of all time are for the most part those who did porn in the 70's and 80's. That's not to say that I don't love performers that have come after them but if I was limited to only a specific time in history from which to pick performers then those Golden Era performers are the ones that I would always pick.
I know that they are the first performers I saw do porn so that has to have a effect on my choice but that's not the only reason. Most of these early porn women didn't have tattoos, most were all natural, most were in their 20's or older, most had pubic hair and all had decent to excellent acting talent as well as being able to perform hot sex scenes. I still use these qualities to judge a performer today and that's why some popular performer don't make it onto my list because they fall short on more than one of my pre-requisite.
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 14 2014 : 10:43AM
^ I agree with everything you said, and would add that the style of performance today is pretty over the top.
Still, some girls shine within the current norms. Stoya, for instance, does great facial expressions. Hillary Scott was pretty over the top in her performances, but she was great.
You're right that the general level of acting talent was probably higher. But it may also be nostalgia: Yes Veronica Hart and Kay Parker could act, but what about Sue Nero and Veri Knotti?
Among 21st century performers ....
... I think jessica drake, Kimberly Kane, Sunny Lane, and Brooklyn Lee are pretty decent actresses.
... I didn't see Wasteland, but reviewers say Lily Carter did a great acting job.
... Riley Steele isn't doesn't play a lot of characters, but I think she does a great job on the girl who plays innocent but is really a mega-slut. I haven't seen her Cinemax series, but if they've kept her on, they must not consider her a terrible actress.
... I may just have a crush on Stoya, but I think she can act too.
I like Jerk Off Encouragement, which normally involves a girl undressing while she talks to the camera, so it requires a pretty high level of acting ability to pull off. Zoey Holloway and Veronica Ricci are both great at it. These performances are especially impressive given that they are single takes, and largely improvised.
 
Draxxx
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Posted - Mar 15 2014 : 10:17AM
I'm a fan of EVIL ANGEL for the most part. My only complaint with EA is that with some of their directors it's the same thing over and over. They give their movies different titles but they're pretty much interchangable. I think what some of them do is actually pretty good but it's pretty much all the same. My porn buying/watch habits depend mostly on the girl so it's not that much of a big deal with me because I only wath those directors when they do scenes with girls I like but for those porn fans who watch based on the studio/director I could see how they'd get bored with those directors.
I also think why some people who claim current porn isn't any good today is because they're only watching one type of porn or porn from a particular studio and it's gotten boring.
Draxxx
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Posted - Mar 15 2014 : 10:23AM
I think people who are more about following certain women in porn rather than following a studio or certain sex acts tend to see porn differently in terms of rating how good porn is today vs the old stuff.
Edited by - draxxx on 3/15/2014 10:24:43 AM
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Mar 15 2014 : 7:38PM
^ I have mixed feelings about sex acts and companies.
On the negative side:
I may have somewhat vanilla tastes when it comes to sex acts. I'm not thrilled with how acts that were once extreme are becoming mainstream. I like anal, but rimming and ass-to-mouth both make me a little queazy. Intellectually, I understand that the performers have had enemas before the scene, and it's as clean as an ass could be, but in my gut I can't help but feel like I'm watching people eat shit.
There's a lot more slapping and hair pulling in mainstream porn. Again, I know it's a performance, but it doesn't turn me on.
I am somewhat bored with the monotony of mainstream porn. Five minutes tease, BJ, a few positions (with or without anal), maybe a little cunnilingus thrown in, and the guy jerks off on the girl's face.
Few features come close to the golden age for their seamless blend of story and sex. Today, the "story" is little more than an interlude between sex scenes.
On the plus side:
I appreciate how easy it is to find whatever kinks an individual might enjoy. Like I said, I enjoy Jerk Off Encouragement. Ten years ago, I had no idea that the genre existed or that I might enjoy it. Even though I'm not into rough stuff, I like that sites like Kink.com produce high quality porn for diverse tastes.
I like the rise of Indie porn, and especially Indie girls. I've yet to join AngelaWhite.com, because I'm waiting for a day and time when I'm ready and in the mood for a live sex show and she's getting ready to go on camera. I love that she's offering production qualities as an Indie porn star. I wish more indie girls would pay attention to production quality.
Idlewild66
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Posted - Mar 16 2014 : 12:38AM
+1000
It isn't just about the girls.
Directors are terrible these days.
No imagination.
Golden Age "my ass" - These are the days when it really has become "disposable."
I've seen a few porn movies from the 70's, 80's, and 90's, that if you take out the explicit scenes, add just a tad bit more dialogue or scene or two, might actually could have been legit mainstream flicks.
Draxxx
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Posted - Mar 16 2014 : 8:20AM
I get what you're saying...most porn is formulaic and seems to have a checklist of positions that must be done in a certain order. But this seems to be what some fans want. I've read many reviews where the reviewer (and fans)complain that certain positions didn't last long enough. Personally, I don't mind seeing those positions because they've been proven to be the best positions for penetration and filming (for the most part). Plus, just because they're the same positions doesn't mean the results are always exactly the same. When different directors shoot those positions you get different camera angles and results. With certain girls those postions can look bland and with others they can look explosive.
I'm not a feature kind of guy so when people sing the praises of those old 70s and 80s features I really don't get it. I've watched some of that 70s stuff and I just see directors trying too hard to make a mainstream movie and not giving the sex scenes enough care. In my eyes the results don't work because in most cases the story is never really that great so it doesn't keep my interest and the sex scenes are waaaay too short and not filmed well because it seems the director is more focused on the story that isn't that good to begin with. I can much easily sit through a modern feature because it's at least technically better in terms of the look and the story works better because the writer isn't fooling themselves into thinking they're writing a great movie. The acting was probably better overall back then but the girls weren't as hot as today's girls. For me I'd rather have a hot performer with great sex performance skills than a good actress that doesn't look so hot and gives so-so performances.
I see a people complaining about today's feature here saying they aren't as god as the old stuff but from what little I've seen of the SWEET SINNER and GIRLFRIENDS stuff that stuff looks so much better than the old 70s stuff and it seems they're well done. I don't get why the SWEET SINNER stuff doesn't get more props from Feature fans.
In my mind for any feature the sex will always be the most important aspect and the ones that I like the best are the ones that flow from one sex scene to the other in a smooth fast pace. But I really don't think features of any era really live up to their potential as far as the sex goes. In my mind the sex in features mostly never reflects the actual story and just ends up being a generic sex scene dropped into the story. A romantic story shouldn't have the same sort of sex a drama or comedy does.
pat362
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Posted - Mar 16 2014 : 12:48PM
^Since you admitted to not being a fan of porn feature films then by default you are probably not able to enjoy most of the porn made in the 70's and 80s. I also think that you confused the intention of past directors. They weren't trying too hard to make mainstream movies. They were true filmmakers trying to make a feature film with a story, well developed characters, actual dialogue, proper wardrobe for the players but who just happen to also want to add what happens when the screen goes black or the door clothes on mainstream movies. I know many people complain that the sex scenes were not as well shot as they could have been but how many of these people ever stop to think that unless you were shooting loop films then most porn filmmakers were using 35mm cameras. Not the easiest thing to move around and therefore sex scenes were all scripted and the director knew that he would only be able to offer a select amount of angles for the sex scenes. I'd also like to point out that old time directors had something to work with that todays directors don't and it's performers with actual acting talent. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that a talent for acting is something most of todays performers do not need. That's not to say that some don't have it but that it has become a redundant talent in an era of gonzo porn.
Of course todays porn offers so many more possible angles but that's because you can hold an HD camera in one hand and still shoot from any angle you want with it. The other major disadvantage to old time directors was that 35mm print wasn't cheap so you didn't do 10 takes of a scene or you could kiss goodbye to your profit and you certainly wouldn't shoot a 30 minute sex scene because 10-20 minutes would wind up on the cutting room floor.
You won't hear me complaining about the stuff GFF puts out because although it's not exactly what old times director would call a feature porn film. The people at GFF still try to tell a story and there is dialogue, more or less proper clothes, usually decent acting talent and the sex scenes are excellent.
Draxxx
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Posted - Mar 18 2014 : 10:35PM
Not saying you're wrong... but I still maintain that at least some saw the sex as a necessary evil. I look at some of that old stuff and some (if not most) didn't seem to put that much energy or time into the sex scenes. I've seen many that were poorly lit, poor positioning, not showing much penetration, scenes really short, etc...You're probably fondly remembering the better stuff but I think the majority of that old stuff overall wasn't that good. I've ended up seeing a bunch of the lesser stuff because when I watch that old 70s stuff it's to see specific performers like Kay Parker, Sue Nero, Candida Royalle, etc., instead of seeing out the good stuff.
I agree with you that acting skills aren't as important as they once were in porn but I think back then there were really only a handful of solid actresses and the rest ranged from okay to terrible and I think the same is true today. I think directors play a part too. Back then the directors were people who knew about actual directing and could get a better performance out of a performer. Nowadays the emphasis is on the sex and that's mostly what the director knows about directing and the most important aspect of the movie/scene. We probably don't see better acting performances because it's not considered to be as important and the directors just don't know how to get a better performance.
I was just thinking about all this recently and realized I'm a big fan of the 70s exploitation stuff where the sex is simulated or is real and edited out but the 70s stuff with actual sex the movie doesn't hold my interest other than the sex scenes. In my mind they're about on the same level quality wise but I like watching the actual movie when it come to the exploitation stuff but often can't fast-forward fast enough with the porn stuff. Perhaps it's because I'm watch both for different reasons.
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Posted - Mar 25 2014 : 9:15PM
The problem isn't the tattoo itself (unless it is some full bodied dragon atrocity or something the size of a pumpkin on their back). The problem is that one tattoo leads to two tattoos. Two tattoos lead to three tattoos. Three tattoos lead to four tattoos. After that the body just looks like a giant human connect the dots game.
One tattoo isn't a deal breaker by any means. The problem so many girls can't stop getting them. Us (heterosexual) guys like soft, smooth skin. That is one of the things is a physical difference between men and women. We do not like skin that reminds us of our skin. The more tattoos you get the closer your skin looks like to our skin.
rtj2v0a
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Posted - Apr 3 2014 : 11:52AM
The problem with speaking for everyone is that, well, you're usually not speaking for everyone. I'm a heterosexual guy and tattoos, if they're done well, can be beautiful and sexy.
Sophia Santi comes to mind immediately. I find her -- and the elaborate tattoo art on her back -- irresistible.
Any sort of body modification, whether it's breast or butt implants, tattoo art, or plastic surgery. can go well or horribly wrong... in my opinion.
Goldstein All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Apr 10 2014 : 7:52PM
"Porn is so much better now"
I've finally decided that I agree.
At least from the aspect of viewing porn in the privacy of our own homes.
I have never seen so many attractive, many super-model quality, female performers at one time!
Nowadays, the typical audio/visual quality is pretty damn good. The better HD stuff at higher bit-rates is exciting.
I tend to prefer vignette-style porn (as opposed to features or wall-to-wall zero plot), so the current "scene era" via Internet download is working well for me.
The Golden Era of shot on film feature porn, shown in real movie theatres, was special.
I will always miss this.
Hey, I miss the real Times Square, too :)
But, now that we whack-off at home, today's porn really is very good.
Once we get the Internet Era business models ironed-out, things are going to be fine.
If the truth be told, porn is pretty high up on the priority list for many people.
 
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 27 2014 : 9:37AM
^ I agree with almost everything you said.
I even agree that for the average porn fan, it is much better to be able to watch porn at home.
As I've discussed elsewhere, I used to be one of the Front Row guys in Times Square. But I've grown older, and now, even if places like the old Times Square strip clubs still existed, I would be too concerned about the career implications (and the ability of other patrons to take photos with their phones and post them on twitter) to do anything so flagrant.
If I were discovering porn today, I would never have realized that I was both a voyeur and an exhibitionist.
Still, the internet allows porn producers to serve The Long (hard throbbing) Tail. So the lack of opportunity for guys to jerk off in public without offending the people around them is pretty small compared to all the other fetishes that contemporary porn can service.
Slector
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Posted - Jun 27 2014 : 1:34PM
I grew up in the 70s and 80s and trust me I saw plenty of Golden era porn. But even back then I thought it pretty much sucked. Yes, there were a few hotties but a lot of the porn stars back then were absolute skanks. As a teen I certainly wasn't making fake IDs and trying to put mascara on my peach fuzz mustache to get into a porn theater to watch a story. Hormones were a-blazing and all I wanted to see was hardcore sex! I hated having to sit through a 70 or 80 minute film only to get 10 or 15 minutes of hot fucking. As far as I was concerned story and plot be damned, I could get all of that I wanted at the legitimate theater. I wanted something that would make my dick hard.
Blackie
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Posted - Jun 27 2014 : 2:54PM
70s feature porn was incredibly boring, plus people would see you entering/leaving the theatres.
The really perverted stuff was in the peep booths. Anonymous access, cheap, and fast.
I still remember watching Linda Lovelace getting banged by a German Shepherd. Not hot, but only cost a buck on 42nd St.
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 27 2014 : 3:04PM
^ I liked lingering while I masturbated, so the Peep Shows never really did it for me.
jeffandersonn
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Posted - Jun 28 2014 : 6:41AM
in my opinion is worst than ever......thousands of lame scenes...... b/g everywhere.......i miss Anabolic/diabolic Era, platinum X pictures, Redlightdistrict, jm productions, mike john old school movies, brandon irons' production etc......it's hard to find true gangbangs...now they call gangbang a 3 on 1 without anal/ dp.....it's a joke....
Edited by - jeffandersonn on 6/28/2014 6:44:53 AM
aclayfan All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 28 2014 : 7:10AM
How we view porn is so much better now. The content I'm afraid has suffered as the profitability of the industry has decreased.
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 28 2014 : 7:39AM
^^ You may want to check out Mason's Gangbanged series.
Typically, she uses seven guys (which works for me, I don't want to see a bunch of mooks standing around). I think every scene involves double something. Dana Dearmond's gangbang in the series is one of my all-time favorites.
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You might also want to check out Dana Dearmond and Bobbi Starr's Insatiable Voyage.
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These two push the edge for hardcore in terms of my taste. If you want even more hardcore stuff, you should check out Kink.com, whose Hardcore Gangbang offerings might satisfy you.
Penny Pax did "only" five guys for her scene, but it is pretty intense, and includes some airtight.
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Edited to add extra '^'.
Edited by - cumminglinguist on 6/28/2014 7:40:01 AM
jeffandersonn
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Posted - Jun 28 2014 : 8:58AM
bobbi and dana insatiable voyage is my all time favourite dvd...but if you look at the picture you see 2008......6 year ago....
i'm talking about the lack of good scenes/titles......Mason shoots a gangbang movie every year with only two girls.....HGB imho is not for everyone and it's too confusional with bad light and camera woks and my biggest problem with dps and gangbangs today is the same 2 position and camera angles over and over and over....watch one watch all.
End of the rant LOL
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 29 2014 : 8:54AM
^ Understood. Discussing historical eras is all about context.
The OP wrote:
I started watching porn in the 70s and 80s, so he and I share the same context. I was comparing the celluloid era with the internet era. You were discussing changes over a shorter time span.
From the historical perspective of decades, I don't remember seeing anything on celluloid that would qualify as a gangbang under your definition. You would think a movie titled Debbie Does Dallas would include a football team gangbanging a cheerleader, but the closest they come is three football players sneaking into the cheerleaders shower to bang two chicks.
The only two scenes I remember watching in a theater that might qualify as gangbangs were Seka's 3-man blowbang in Inside Seka and Annie Sprinkle's scene in the movie theater in Deep Inside Annie Sprinkle. Seka's scene was most notable for Ron Jeremy's on-camera self-blowjob when Seka refused him. Annie only serviced two or three of her fans in the theater, and the rest of the perverts simply looked on.
DPs were very rare. Moreover, if you were into such things, you just had to hope that someone would put it in a movie that would appear in your local cinema, as few titles catered to particular kinks.
As for your point, no doubt the reduction in budgets brought about by increased piracy means that studios hire fewer mooks for their gangbangs than may have been common in the 00s. In fact, even Mason (who used to do 7-guy gangbangs with Elegant Angel) seems to be using 5 or 6 guys for "Gangbang Me" at Hardx.
pat362
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Posted - Jun 29 2014 : 1:13PM
^I would add that anal was also fairly rare. If you take out some of the usual suspect like Vanessa del Rio and a few others than anal was even more rare. By default dp's become so much rarer.
I think the reduction in budget is probably the main reason for why there are less guys in a gangbang but frankly why use more than 4 ort 5 guys? A girl has only 3 holes and two hands so anything above 5 guys means that the extra are hanging around waiting for their turn.
 
Slector
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Posted - Jun 29 2014 : 4:12PM
Anybody remember Serena? She was porn gal in the 70s who did a lot of anal. I watched a lot of her movies.
Whatman
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Posted - Jun 29 2014 : 4:15PM
I prefer the girls from the past. It seems like there was an abundance of women with huge, floppy tits with big nipples and generous amounts of bush---my ideal body type.
Just compare the Playboy centerfolds from the past with the latest ones. The modern girls look so damn gross with their plastic skin, implants, anorexic bodies, and shaved pussies.
charn
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Posted - Jun 29 2014 : 10:19PM
If I had been born earlier then maybe I would like hetero porn more. Lez porn went from rare to awful to watchable.
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CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 26 2014 : 9:37AM
I've made the point before, but I have a different take on it.
Go to the wikipedia page that lists all of the notable porn actresses of each decade. The 70s included a lot of great stars, but this list is short, but pretty complete. It includes:
Patricia Rhomberg, who appeared in German porn, and only one of her films was (to my knowledge) ever released in America.
Uschi Digard, who only did softcore.
Kitten Natividad, who did hardcore at the end of her career when she had lost her looks to the point that people would no longer pay money just to see her naked.
I didn't recognize several of the names, so I don't think Wikipedia missed anyone really big.
Now compare that list to the current Speigler girls.
All of the girls on this list do hardcore. It doesn't include some notable performers from the current decade, like 2011 AVN performer of the year (and former Speigler girl) Bobbi Starr. Nor does it include active performers who work with other agents, like my current lust object, Dani Daniels. It doesn't even include current Speigler girl Valentina Nappi, who is based in Italy, and is represented by Speigler when she comes to the States.
If you were casting a fantasy porn movie, and had to choose between picking performers from all of the women that Wikipedia identified as "70s porn stars" or just using the current crop of girls with just one agent, which would you go with?
I know that some of you would pick 'Every girl who performed in the 70s', but I'm guessing more than a few would pick 'The current Speigler girls'.
The fact that this is even a remotely fair contest says a lot.
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Posted - Jul 26 2014 : 9:48AM
I guess that all depends on who you consider "notable" as I see many missing stars from the 70s on that list I would consider notable.
CummingLinguist All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 26 2014 : 10:33AM
^ Yeah, I was mainly using it as an easy list to refer to.
Who in particular did you notice was missing? Were they included in either the 60s or 80s list? If not, maybe they needed to be added to the list or maybe Wikipedia even needs a new entry.
You're aware that you can edit wikipedia entries, right?
pat362
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Posted - Jul 26 2014 : 10:43AM
^^It's more than likely that you are correct but don't you think that's because most of todays porn viewer has never seen those 7o's porn performers in action. It's like whenever someone starts a poll on who are the greatest actors of all time and no one names an actor born prior to the 60's because they have never watched them in action.
The first performers I saw were all from the70's so it's bound to make me partial to them and that`s probably why I would rather pick most performers from that era over the ones that came after them. The only performers that give those 70`s performers are the ones from the 80`s.
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Posted - Jul 26 2014 : 10:56AM
Some missing names :
Buffy Davis
Kari Foxx
Paula Price
Sheena Horne
Connie Peters(on)
Marylin Jess
Olinka Wild/Olinka Hardiman/Olivia Link
the first coming to mind
Edited by - LCF on 7/26/2014 10:59:38 AM
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Posted - Jul 26 2014 : 12:29PM
Serena was the first name that popped into my mind, she is listed in the 80s but started in the 70s. Cris Cassidy looks absent on the list as well. I don't know if she counts under the notable category, but I always liked Andy Bellamy. If I sat down and looked at it and actresses I enjoyed I'm sure the list would grow rather substantially.
zambi
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Posted - Jul 26 2014 : 1:12PM

Arguing over which era had the best performers always comes up in every form of entertainment - porn, sports, music, acting, etc. Obviously older fans are more biased towards older eras and performers simply because of nostalgia. Porn is no different maybe even worse for male fans because during your younger sexual peak years you were probably watching more porn and jerking off to porn more often so you have even stronger feelings towards those performers.
But if you are more objective about it you have to admit that in almost every form of entertainment the product has gotten better because the quantity, quality, and diversity of performers improved. For example, older eras had little diversity (i.e. mostly white performers) in everything -- porn, sports, music, acting, etc. However, not everything has improved with time (e.g. boxing today is nothing like it used to be and not as popular). But its hard to argue that porn is NOT better today?
Adding more diversity alone improved everything. In porn you now have performers of every race, size, shape, age, and so on. You even got trannies, midgets, handicapped people, celebrities, you name it they got it. Then you have a lot more quantity of performers to choose from, not just because of diversity, but because simply more women are willing to do porn nowadays. During 70s you maybe had 30-40 performers max who all knew each other. The quality of performers has gotten better not just because you have a bigger pool to choose from but also because they are not just druggie hookers looking to make a few bucks. The top performers consider porn their career so they keep in shape by working out, some get plastic surgery, they watch their looks with makeup and hair, they market themselves and connect with fan base.
So IMHO there is no question that porn today is better. However that does not diminish in any way the greatest of past performers. I would advise newbies to check out some of the older performers to see what they missed? Just like younger generation listens to old 60's or 70's music, or watches some old film noir movies, they can also get off watching some old porn. Here's some help to get you started ...
Who are Porn's Greatest Sexual Performers (Ever)?
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Honestly, overall, I still think that older adult films on average were better. This could be because I am a fan of features and feel that in times past studios were more adventurous in what they did with features. Not all worked out and some are shredded to pieces these days. This isn't to say that there aren't modern features that don't amaze me.
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The biggest difference between the 70ies and now is that the average budget for a movie back then was many times the average budget of a movie now, not even corrected for inflation. And it shows.
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Posted - Jul 27 2014 : 9:57AM
My favorite category (and 70% of my porn collection) is g/g, so from that perspective I strongly agree that Porn is SO MUCH Better Now.
Saw the first hardcore g/g scene that I thought was erotic in 1986. Started renting an awful lot of adult tapes in 1987. Most were hetero, with the usual lez scene included.
As time went on, also managed to find more and more all girl tapes to rent or buy.
BUT, even with renting & buying many VHS tapes over the years, it wasn't til 1994 that I saw asshole licking in a g/g scene. That was in the 1993 all girl release "Chicks, Licks and Dirty Tricks". Pretty sure it was Tiffany Mynx doing the licking, but don't know name of woman whose asshole was receiving Tiffany's tongue. Anyway, you could say that I suddenly had a new fetish, because girl on girl tongue in the ass action, struck me as extremely hot.
Really glad that today, g/g asshole licking scenes are not the rare things that they used to be.
My other favorite girl to girl activity (think that properly done can be as hot) is French kissing and women sucking on each others tongues. In the porn scenes of the 80s and 90s, if that stuff even took place in a g/g scene, it was usually extremely brief, and the women looked so hesitant about it, that you knew they weren't enjoying it.
mapofhawaii, by including Riley Reid and Dani Daniels on your 8 woman list in launching this thread, IMHO you really hit the nail on the head, because those 2 women are modern
examples of ladies who perform the once rare activities I mentioned, with definite gusto. Unlike the ladies of decades ago, these 2 women, in particular, definitely seem to be having a good time doing what they're doing.
Actually, Riley and Dani simply make the vast majority of girl/girl performers from the 1970s, 80s, and most of the 90s, really look pathetic.
Yup, let's hear it for today's uninhibited porn!
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Posted - Jul 31 2014 : 4:24AM
+1000000
I couldn't agree more with every word you said and your closing sentiment.
In the early 00's Jules Jordan set the benchmark with the Flesh Hunter and Ass Worship DVDs, of beautiful girls taken up to expensive penthouses and huge loads cum all over their pretty faces, that today are still some of the hottest DVDs ever. But back then they used the whole room, the floor, the walls, the bathroom that designer chair, even the glass table, and the outfits were used more, sometimes kept on for the entire scene.. best example of both being Ryan Conner in Ass Worship 3
For the last decade its been diluted down to tease/plot intro then naked-couch-facial in ALL PORN!
I agree completely there are 100s of beautiful girls constantly arriving in porn today, but Ginger Lynn was a superstar because she was also an incredible performer, today that has become almost irrelevant with girls just being positioned in a few standard positions for the dude to use as sex exercise equipment and then onto their knees for him to jerk off on their face.
30 seconds of silent female pleasure of body writhing, shoulders lifted, head tilting, eyes closed sexy O mouth is often hotter than 30 mins of forced moaning/screaming?
Getting close to had enough too and sealed recently when one of the most beautiful and perfect proportioned girls I've ever seen Katrina Jade arrived and was stoked to see her scenes, hoping for long slow sensual cock worshipping blowjobs, and those magnificent pierced tits to be fully worshipped, and see her gorgeous face in blissful ecstasy, but no, first brazzers trailer I see and as is practically always the case the girl is reduced to a couple of holes to be abused. And no doubt her thread will soon fill up with every one demanding her 3rd hole be abused.
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Posted - Jul 31 2014 : 4:39AM
I also think aswell as CONTENT the BUSINESS MODEL needs to change drastically too? Porn used to be bleeding edge and pioneer the Internet, now its gutted by it..
Maybe as independent movie and music are doing an answer is fan funding in advance?
Eg Allie Haze's first anal movie
And you get more depending how much you pay..
1. signed dvd (dunno about downloads)
2. signed poster
3. Can vote on scene in the next studio release
4. ADT handle in the credits for bragging rights :)
5. Anonymous auction for clothing from the scene
6. Anonymous auction for bonus POV scene with your name..
If Mandy Dee was still around and I could buy a POV anal scene of her telling me by name to fuck her in the ass and cum on her face.. well :D
I think as Jacco pointed out increase the budget, which could reduce the frequency and people will want it more, as we always want new porn (after 30 years I still want new porn) and bring back artistry and eroticism looking for inspiration from Salieri, Ninn, Blake. As I don't think churning out an endless dirge of identical mediocre shite is the answer?
Edited by - draghixafan on 7/31/2014 5:32:40 AM
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