... that's according to my colleagues!!! Let me explain. :) I work in a sector where people possess quite a high level of education, yet I was not expecting what I was about to hear. This week, me and another male colleague were chatting with 2 feminine colleagues and somehow the conversation then went onto the porn industry. The 2 girls (one in her 30s and the other 40s) are totally convinced that the sex shown in porn movies are NOT for real. They are so sure about it that they even compared porn to the entertainment wrestling (WWE) to make their point and said that the actions are simulated and nothing performed is for real. They also said that it is totally impossible for the porn actresses to get that much fucking as they will be totally broken in 3-4 years. While listening to them I was laughing my ass out inside and could not but contemplate the naivety of these 2 girls. I wished I could show them a close up HD scene of Rocco gaping some fresh asses wide and ask them what kind of special effects can the director be using to create such a result. Even James Cameron, with the best technology, won't be able to do that!!!
^ They are right it is all simulated , the most part , I don't mean they don't fuck but that there's no passion in it , it is a job , also a pussy must be lubed , you need lot of lube to be fucking for 25 minutes of a scene you see ON DVD but the work could actually be longer sometimes much longer. That mean they need to lubricate the part , an actress need to use toys prior to anal sex so that her ass is already trained and won't hurt. it is acted sex , with an amount of reality bigger than that on mainstream movies but still it is acted. Of course sometimes you may enjoy yourself in a scene , but not often , not even the male talent , did you notice how many times an actor ends jerking off? Sometimes the director cuts and then you see the last strokes , but he might have been doing for half an hour. Di you notice how many times an actor lacks a wood and fakes incredible pleasure with a soft dick? My experience says that is impossible , yet the scene goes as if he had a hell of a wood and the actress acts like she took a tree.
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 6/8/2012 3:37:20 PM
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Posted - Jun 8 2012 : 3:57PM
Lack of quantity isn't a good thing for the husbands/boyfriends either. ;) Quantity+Quality = Happy Man If the girls mentioned by Lone Wolf possess such a level of naivety to think porn intercourse not real, they likely possess an extremely high level of vanilla sex when it comes to the bedroom. But of course, only they and their significant others know for sure.
I'm sure this goes for a lot of women too. As for the OP, are you certain they meant that they thought there was no penetration? Sounds to me like they're saying porn is fake in that it's a construction. Like WWE. They really are there, they really are making impact, but it's carefully constructed. In fact, porn is edited much more heavily than WWE so in some ways it is more mediated.
well, having been in the trenches since 82 I have to say that there is a lot of BOTH sides of this argument. some babes are INTO it! some just come in to do a job. I have had talent tell me that they will NOT work for me AGAIN if there is NO sex involved! I have seen girls go and fuck a crew member because we didn't let her get satisfied (Tracy Lords for one) same with guys. Most of the "regulars" are the regulars because they can get it up and off at a seconds notice. They have a secret "image" they bring up and they blow instantly. some guys can't and that's why they don't work as much. we have enough issues, without guys who have to jerk it for an hour. the type of video is also important. "features" take more time and there is more stop and go. Gonzo not so much. Omar scenes are sometimes ONE take. In summation Plenty of porn performers LIKE the work!
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Posted - Jun 9 2012 : 11:34AM
I hate all of that extra moaning and loud moaning, there's no point to it. If its fake then it definitely shows for MOST females.
Let's just say: 1. 'Intercourse' is a neutral analytic term to describe an activity that incorporates genital arousal and/or orificial penetration; 2. 'Sex' is an activity where people undertake intercourse for the pleasure obtained in so doing. Pleasure is a complex nexus of physical arousal and psychological engagement but, relevantly, it is not a requirement of sex as pleasurable intercourse that there be an emotional relationship between/among the participants; 3. 'Making love' is sex with emotional intimacy. I acknowledge the above definitions are simplistic and self-serving but will hopefully allow me to propose my thesis. Pornography, to the extent that available technologies allow and to the extent that social/moral notions of privacy/politeness are disrupted, is intercourse made manifest. Other, and supposedly more artful, forms of public broadcast treat intercourse as an act to be glossed. For example, and now confining the discussion to moving pictures, mainstream movies portray sex/making love but do not show intercourse. Pornsex, being the manner in which the adult industry broadcasts intercourse, is a set of techniques developed with an audience/camera in mind. An actress flicking her hair to the 'far-side' of her head to enable a clearer view of a blow-job, raising the 'near leg' in order that penetration is clearly seen when engaging in standing doggy, RC generally, are all artificialities incorporated into porn that have nothing to do with the participants' pleasure. The only 'real sex' component is genital arousal and/or orificial penetration (ie the intercourse itself). As such I get how people could say porn is totally fake. It's not sex as real people enjoy it, just a set of commodified techniques. The entire edifice of porn is built upon fantasy/fakery. For example, the spurious rationale behind fake performer names has been created in order for fanbois to get woody when Lisa Ann or Remy la Croix opine about their love of anal sex or whatever. It wouldn't suit if it were generally considered that Lisa Ann or Remy la Croix are just fantasy identities assumed by substantially different real life people - the fantasy is only maintained if the industry narrative is that Lisa Ann or Remy la Croix are actually speaking/tweetng/posting about their real sexual desires and that the only reason they aren't using their real names is to protect their privacy/family/personal security - yeah right! (ADT's prohibition on using real names purports to be in the interests of personal security, and the intention may well be genuine, but frankly it seems to me to be more of a prop to the industry myths and to allow Star Crossed fanbois to retain their fantasies) Porn is as kayfabe as WWE - possibly, more so. Note: I love porn, I love Lisa Ann, the industry's techniques work on me, it doesn't bother me, but I'm not blind to what is actually going on - essentially, I buy the fantasy. Edited by - Sexy Sadie on 6/10/2012 12:03:54 AM
I pretty evident when a pornstar is not into the scene....I like scenes where I get the feeling that the pornstar is enjoying her work / scene....this makes it totally werotic for me !!!
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Posted - Jun 10 2012 : 1:16AM
Totally unrealistic rather than totally fake. But then again, I have met many girls totally into those lengthy gonzo porn scenes who claim it is the same in their private life - which is a little scary, lol!
What's nice are the rare scenes where something just happens and there's not much (if any) acting. I think it would be fair to say that the seasoned porn fans are mainly on the lookout for those scenes. This is our gold.
I'm guessing that they've never seen anything other than "Skinemax" And clearly they haven't had much sex either or weren't educated in anatomy (broken in 3-4 years - come on)
That is absolutely the best analogy I've ever heard. Choreographed mayhem vs choreographed sex action. The videos of the 80s may have had more better performed/directed productions which made it easier for a viewer to fantasize, but that's about it. As with the wrestlers, sometimes the fake moves require some degree of realism (and may even cause injury) but it's all for the sake of convincing entertainment. Maybe that's why the majority of women find porn videos "boring" as opposed to real sex.I would question who is laughing inside and who is naive here.
That is acting ability , for the life of me I would have sworn that Judy Star was really into it , such hotness ,such eagerness while swallowing, even doing anal and double anals ,I saw her taking Mandingo up her ass, there was chemistry , lots of eyes contact she even invited him nodding to go all ahead and he did. But ... yeah a big but , after quitting porn in 2004 a lot of time after she said in her facebook that she was totally lesbian and that she has never kissed a man in her personal life. I stayed shocked and still am in awe I watched at her flicks trying to find some hint that would allow me she wasn't into the scene. I found none , an incredible performer , all this considering maybe the greatest ever.
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 6/10/2012 12:52:25 PM
On one hand, saying "porn is fake" is like saying "the NBA is fake". Our beloved performers are sexual superstars, and civilians can't handle that. They see these superior athletes doing things they can't do, and they assume it's "fake" instead of the product of unique talent or expressive libido. Yes, Virginia, there are women who make a lot of noise during sex. Yes, there are men who can get hard in a minute and stay hard for hours. Yes, there are people who enjoy having their ass gaped. Get over yourself and stop calling it fake just because you don't do it in your own sex life. On the other hand, porn IS a performance, just like regular acting is. Which would mean that watching a porn and calling it "fake" is as thick-headed as watching Meryl Streep cry in a movie and yelling out "fake!" Well, yeah...she didn't really just choose to send one of her children to a concentration camp...she's acting, and you're dumb to point out that someone in a movie is pretending.
I'm a bit confused by this. I'm not totally clear if they're saying that the sex isn't "real" in the sense that the sex is "unrealistic" and "choreographed" or that there's no real penetration happening on screen. But then it all depends on what type porn they've seen. Perhaps they've never actually seen hardcore porn and what they are referring to is the softcore CINEMAX type movies that some consider porn. These days most of those movies star actual pornstars doing simulated sex and if they've never been exposed to hardcore porn they could think that's what typical porn is. Or they could've only seen old 70s porn where it appears that in many cases much of the sex is simulated. I'm not saying there wasn't any penetration in those old movies but some of it was simulated to make the sex last longer or for the director to get certain shots or to keep shooting until the guy got it back up. If they were going for the "fake" because it's "unrealistic" angle, others here have already touched on that. But it is kinda strange that I've seen simulated sex in mainstream movies that look for realistic than actual intercourse in a porn movie. The sex in porn is so smooth and choreographed it lacks a certain realism. "Real" sex has a certain awkwardness to it that makes it different from porn sex.
I know people who really think porn isn't real. As in, no penises go inside any vaginas, etc. Dumb, dumb people. But what most people think and agree on is that porn is performed. Actors are not necessarily "into it", but some (if not most) do. And of course one can tell the difference.
I think the problem today is that anything CAN be fake, and people will believe that. In a survey the majority (of americans I think) did not believe in photos, by default. And I've noticed this. Women claim models aren't real models because 'anyone can be a model in photoshop'. And a lot of young women do think they can become highly payed fashion models because they simply do not get which qualities are required. They don't get that a billboard needs serious editing just to be blown up like that. They lack the technical knowledge of the media they're consuming. Back in the day, when shooting on film, film that was very expensive, yes, it was very simulated. Today it doesn't have to be. You can shoot everything, there's no need for fluffers anymore. But that idea of porn as just a fake phony fantasy lives on, especially in 'older' generations. As always it has mostly to do it with insecurity and how people don't want to get into personal detail about their own lovelife. It's still something private and when talked about it's mostly lies and giggles. I don't think I've ever had a serious discussion about porn IRL. I rarely get into the moral debate, because that's impossible 'to win', but when it comes to anatomy and technicality, it can really make people think: HOW THE FUCK did they fit that huge cock up the ass if it's not a digital effect!?
Could be an issue of semantics, or maybe plain naivety. They could be meaning to say all of the scenes are scripted scenarios, or that it's not like sex that most people really have. Intellectual types general don't spend a lot of time with porn, as they aren't interested. Some might actually believe it's more like trickery and "magic". Wouldn't put it past them.
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Posted - Jun 11 2012 : 9:21PM
I'm thinking it's partially this. What little i know about the female, they perceive things very differently than men do, so real for them may mean that there isn't any real connection between the performers on an emotional level, which, if that is their point, is probably mostly accurate. Edited by - RemyGetsMeWet on 6/11/2012 9:22:17 PM
Some girls do really get into a scene when they are working with guys they enjoy performing with,an example being Kristina Rose who has said on this forum that she loves working with Manuel Ferrara and had plenty of praise for him etc..then there are guys such as Brian Pumper who a lot of the girls have said they do not like working with.
I suspect their watching softcore porn or cable porn, which is generally censored or has obstructed penetration. While I have seen faked scenes, the guy can't perform or the girl won't let the guy fuck her for real, I'd say 90-95% of it is very real. Well real fucking is going on. Now those numbers do tend to go way down, IMO, when enjoyment is considered. I don't think it drops nearly as much as people think though. I actually believe the overwhelming majority are in it to enjoy themselves most days. Unfortunately porn isn't generally produced in a way that allows performers to really enjoy themselves as I believe they generally would like to. End of the day, it's still movie-making, and movie-making comes before pleasure.
I remember before I learned how to read, I couldn't believe that people were actually reading books outloud. I thought people were just making up stuff on the fly and only pretending that they were reading. Because when I looked at the page of a book, I saw it was so full of so many different symbols that in my estimation it would've taken a whole day to figure out what those symbols meant on just one page in a book. And I was pretty sure of my opinion too. Because it seemed to me like common sense. But I was wrong of course, due to my lack of experience. What seems logical is often wrong, when you look at what actually happens in real life. And it's like this with people who don't know much about porn sex. Their logical reasoning seems like common sense to them, but it's totally wrong, when you look at what actually happens in real life.
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Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 3:52PM
Priya Rai comes to mind here. eVen as she's such a beautiful lady, she tends to ruin her scenes with the fake moans and repeated calling out, "oh baby"! Deauxma's #1 fan!
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Posted - Jun 14 2012 : 5:02PM
^P.R's fake chest doesn't help either Edited by - RemyGetsMeWet on 6/14/2012 5:02:33 PM insulting remark removed<---- {was it? Wasn't intentional! sorry I'm a smartass , not mean} Edited by - Jonny Jay on 6/15/2012 4:08:45 AM Edited by - RemyGetsMeWet on 6/15/2012 4:26:48 AM
Watched some cable porn yesterdays and it was totally fake. No penetration shots. Close ups of dudes faces. No cumshots all over girls' faces. Girl on girl with no explicit pussy eating. If that's what people judge porn by then fuck yes it's totally fake and incredibly boring. But if it's say Manuel fucking the shit out of a girl in RAW, or a couple of kinky girls going at each other in a Jay Sin movie... it simply wouldn't work if it wasn't quite real, that's the whole concept of really good gonzo imo, that it's real chemistry or kinky and playful.
Sometimes REACTIONS are fake. Faked enjoyment, faked arousal, etc. Other times it isn't. Compare my scene at Ballbustingpornstars.com with my scene at Boundgangbangs.com. In the first, yes, I'm faking it. I don't get off on kicking dudes in the nuts, and I was fucked in a way that looks okay on camera, but wasn't conducive to me cumming. In the Bound Gang Bangs scene I cum over 20 times. I get tied up and they pull a train on my ass and pussy, and it makes me cum. They DP me and I cum from that. They pushed two cocks into my pussy, and that was a new sensation, and it made me cum my fucking brains out. Mr. Pete at one point is fucking me on a desk and slamming into my G-Spot, and he's been around enough to know what it means when a girl starts swelling there. He pulled out, called a camera over, and made me squirt cum all over the place. Then, later, he put his fist inside me, and I can't NOT cum from that, and then he made Kaylee Hilton do it to me. When a performer figures out how to make one of us cum on screen, it's like winning a prize and they will go there every time. It's one thing to see a girl "orgasm" on camera, so we will fake it if it isn't happening, but it's another to take a girl to the point where she can't make words come out of her mouth properly anymore. Kink is really good at making girls cum, whether they like it or not.
^ I agree. Most of what you see in porn is real and not faked. The guy's erection most certainly isn't faked. From my own experience I can tell that when a guy has an erection in a sexual situation, then his pleasure, his sexual desire, and his fuck is as real as real can be. There is nothing faked about it, even the film director tells the fucking guy to stop and hold his cock inside the lady's pussy or ass. Because just being inside the pretty lady with your cock feels pretty good for a guy. Sometimes I wish I could just stop and enjoy the warm feeling of the pretty lady all around my cock, instead of having to perform non-stop until I pop. And the lady of course has no way to fake her gaping asshole, when she is getting ready for an anal ride. That gape she sports is the female equivalent of a male erection. Because the lady's gaping asshole is a perfect match of the guy's erect pole. Men and women are naturally made to complement each other in sex, rather than imitate. The man's sexual excitement prepares him to penetrate. While the woman's sexual excitement prepares her to accept the guy's penetration. Which is why a gaping pussy or ass on the pretty lady is so hot for many guys to see. The gaping lady is obviously ready to fuck with any horny guy who is willing to do the drilling.
I believe we MUST define true and faked , a faked scene is not a scene were there's no actual fucking , but a scene where nobody is getting pleasure ,and even if the rubbing could lead to an orgasm , then again it is not the same as a true fucking , a true fucking is when two people are attracted by each other , they BOTH enjoy sex with each other. you can't possibly believe the all the stars in scene always like each other , always are sober and clean , none of them get sick. I hears an Interview in a BTS from Jennifer Love in a Private life of ... series She said that she hoped to have delivered a good scene because thay had to often interrupt because of her nausea and headache , they were in location and her scene was scheduled in the afternoon they had lunch but some of what they ate was bad and few of them get sick she was one of those. If you watch the scene none of their problems was apparent , the scene was delivered really good she seemed to really enjoy it , but actually she didn't. Chastity Lynn said in her twitter of a scene that wasn't that fun but she had to shoot ,she was pissed because she really wanted to shoot that scene with mister Marcus , it was that in Rocky the parody the scene was good , but then again Chastity faked everything ,she gained lots of points for me for both , saying it and as an actress being able to deliver an almost faked scene in a way I wouldn't believe if it wasn't her to say it Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 6/17/2012 5:39:35 PM
But just because she was pissed she wasn't working with who she wanted doesn't automatically mean the sex was bad for her. Think of yourself in that position. Just because you don't end up with the person you wanted doesn't mean that the sex with the substitute is so bad that you couldn't possibly enjoy yourself to the point you have to totally fake pleasure.
I'm with @Laurie Cameron Fan on this. I'm actually crediting the educated women, in respect of whom the OP expresses some condescension, with the awareness/knowledge that hard-core porn displays real people really having real intercourse. The 'totally fake' comment I am interpreting to mean is that this real intercourse does not occur in any meaningful context. Within a gonzo context the fakitude is always present - from the tease/interview/brief set up, which is an unreal presentation of the performer undertaken to create sexual anticipation, through to the highly technical and commodified performance of pre-planned sexual positioning. This is not real life, this is not how women behave in normal social/sexual situations - and to answer this critique with the trite observation 'but this is porn' glosses the issue of porn's fakery entirely. We are having to put ourselves in the OP's women's heads here, take our hands off our dicks for a moment and look at porn sans fantasy. The only people who act like pornstars performing in gonzo situations are porntars performing in gonzo situations. I just know someone will say they have a GF, or they know of a non-pornstar woman, who acts like this; but I would answer, one, this will be the very rare exception rather than the rule, and two, there is always the possibility this GF/mythical civilian sex fiend is actually acting out a pornstar fantasy anyway - whether privately and in her own head, or as part of the couple's shared sex play. Anyway outlier examples don't negate my basic point that gonzo porn is totally shot through with fakery. It is obviously important to address the intelligent and insight-giving contribution of the admirable @ClayraBeau. I suppose I draw a distinction between fetish and gonzo. The premise of gonzo, as I see it, is that the supposed constraints of and fictionalized sex of feature porn are stripped away and we are being presented with the pornstar au naturelle, unencumbered by the need to act and just going hard sexual-like 'cos that's what she is really about (or in the brief set up scenario, á la Rocco, there are random trashily dressed women wandering around Europe trying to find a large penised Italian to take them to some other location to undergo semi-destructive sex while someone else films the entire exchange) - yeah right! This, shall we say mainstream, gonzo porn is produced with the classic 'I don't watch porn for the storyline, I watch it for the sex' porn fan in mind - it is presenting, taking into account the overall stylized extremes of behavior (anal(?), DP. ATM), standard sex that the standard male porn fan would fantasize about engaging in. The difference in fetish porn is that there is an inherently different psychological engagement with what is being presented. Coitus is not the necessary focus, although it may occur - rather there is some other point, leather, feet, bondage, etc. Fetish porn acknowledges its fantasy, while gonzo porn pretends to be reportage. Clayra also confirms she does derive sexual pleasure from performing and while I am no way invalidating her experiences, I'm not sure how relevant the subjective enjoyment of the porn performer is to the issue of porn's fakeness. Consistent with its fantasy tease/set up, the groans, moans and gymnastics of gonzo porn are audience-focussed rather than performer pleasure- based. Performer pleasure is the always present motif in gonzo porn (ignoring here the choking, foot crushing head, etc, extremes) but it doesn't matter to the director/producer or the audience whether it is real or simulated. Fan mining of gonzo scenes for evidence, and forum discussions, as to whether such and such a performer was faking it or not in such and such a scene, points more to the fans' need for their fantasies to be fulfilled than rather any genuine concern by the fans regarding the performer's subjective situation - if it's decided the performer was 'faking it' the fans are disappointed for themselves, and in fact are just as likely to be critical of the performer rather sorry she didn't have a good time. But enough text walling - concluding to say that in some ways feature porn is less fake than gonzo. Will elucidate in a later post.
The sexual pleasure you get with the pretty lady after taking Viagra is as real as real can be. That's why this drug is so popular among the guys. It makes a super stud out of you in every real way, including the enjoyment and pleasure.
Maybe I should rephrase , she was very much wanting to work with him, she was pissed because she was sick and couldn't enjoy it as she wantedthe first part is exactly what I meant to the second I think that feature flick appear to be less faked than gonzo but they are faked as well, though they could be much enjoyable for both than the usual gonzo more stimulating in a way Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 6/19/2012 2:29:25 AM
Why i don't watch big budget mainstream porn that much..having said that LIFE is fake..do you think the clerk really believes when he says "have a nice day?" or the Cop really cares about protecting the public. I wouldn't call what they do a "job" as it is not productive or contributes to society in anyway.
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