Pornography is Dying?

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TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 1:02PM In a recent Guardian article French pornographer John B Root says: "I want to be able to watch a sex film, get my physical pleasure out of it, and not have my brain tell me afterwards that it's revolted and ashamed because the thing was so cheap and nasty and demeaning. There's no earthly reason why a porn film shouldn't also be a good film. I want the product to respect me. "Porn's been legal for 27 years. It's rendered sex banal. There's a generation of young film-makers who've grown up with it and want the right to experiment with sex as cinematographers. There'll always be a market for sheer bad taste, of course. But having prepared the way for a genuine sexual cinema, pornography is dying - and the way it is now, I won't be sorry to see it go." Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex Edited by - TonyC on Jan 19 2006 [Link]
threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 1:08PM TonyC wrote: In a recent Guardian article French pornographer says: "I want to be able to watch a sex film, get my physical pleasure out of it, and not have my brain tell me afterwards that it's revolted and ashamed because the thing was so cheap and nasty and demeaning." Click to expand Seems to me that the issue is with what his brain is telling him, and not necessarily what he is watching. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 1:19PM Oh, go shove it up your Derrida. [Link]
JennaRulez2006 Member The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 1:32PM Porn is lie Hollywood now, offer different genres. In the 80's they were all the same type of movies, now they are all different types. How it should be, to expand the fan base. I buy my porn movies the way I buy my regular movies. Based on who is in them. That has been what has made porn become very popular with fans. From Amber Lynn to Jenna Jameson to Tera Patrick to Jesse Jane. [Link]
payday Member damn 311 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 1:33PM threesomebody wrote: TonyC wrote: In a recent Guardian article French pornographer says: "I want to be able to watch a sex film, get my physical pleasure out of it, and not have my brain tell me afterwards that it's revolted and ashamed because the thing was so cheap and nasty and demeaning." Click to expand Seems to me that the issue is with what his brain is telling him, and not necessarily what he is watching. Click to expand exactly, it's all about how you percieve it. One man's trash is another's gold [Link]

Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 1:57PM Porn already died a long time ago. There are only a few directors keeping it on life support. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 2:01PM I'd rather be listening to folk music. [Link]
barrettman Member In the sad town, cold iron hands clap the party of clowns outside . 251 Posts 4/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 2:12PM skronker wrote: I'd rather be listening to folk music. Click to expand " if I had a hammer" [Link]
STEMCELL Senior Member Russia+China are Terror states 1540 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 2:19PM pornography is dying Click to expand together with American capitalism ... [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 2:38PM Last month, Root published a remarkable open letter in the daily Libération in which he lambasted conservative calls for X-rated films to be banned from French TV, and simultaneously lamented the deplorable current output of an industry he called a "precious cultural asset". "Porn's subject is physical love, a theme that has produced chefs-d'oeuvre in painting, sculpture and literature," he wrote. "We wouldn't be having this debate if porn was what it should be: joyous, well-made, aphrodisiac art, respectful of its actors and its audience, portraying real people and making sense of its subject matter." Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 2:47PM What are your thoughts or comments, tonyc? [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 3:55PM threesomebody wrote: What are your thoughts or comments, tonyc? Click to expand My thoughts? I love looking at naked women, and I think sex is beautiful and exciting. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
gbffm Member Exploiting Whores Since 1985 44 Posts 12/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 3:58PM sounds all to esoteric to me. I)'m sure porn is going to around for as long as we will be around and we will see it further pushing the limits as it has done over its history. Think back 20 years. Would you have ever seen a beautiful 18 year old girl getting double-dicked by two massive cocks. Totally unthinkable!! Today any new girls wanting to enter the business and not being able to perofrm this pretty quickly after being in the biz is not even going to get anywhere... gb [Link]
Smitty Member 21 Posts 1/06	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 4:52PM TonyC wrote: threesomebody wrote: What are your thoughts or comments, tonyc? Click to expand My thoughts? I love looking at naked women, and I think sex is beautiful and exciting. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex Click to expand Exactly why I rarely buy anymore. The last vid I bought was "Triple Threat", hoping to see Audrey and Selena. What I got was mostly screaming, yapping, yelling, obnoxious guys and bizarre camera angles. I will probably spend about $300 this year vs. $2-$3000 in past years. [Link]
gia jordan Member 670 Posts 9/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 5:19PM I'd like sex scenes to be less verbal. I like dirty talk but only if it's genuine. It seems like talent, especially the guys, feel compelled to fill up any empty space with banter. Sometimes just the sounds of sex is all you need. [Link]

codybangs Digital Playground 676 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 6:14PM gbffm wrote: sounds all to esoteric to me. I)'m sure porn is going to around for as long as we will be around and we will see it further pushing the limits as it has done over its history. Think back 20 years. Would you have ever seen a beautiful 18 year old girl getting double-dicked by two massive cocks. Totally unthinkable!! Today any new girls wanting to enter the business and not being able to perofrm this pretty quickly after being in the biz is not even going to get anywhere... gb Click to expand That's not true. Some new girls have done quite well not having to be DPed and even do anal. Personally, I like a little of everything in porn. I LOVE the rough stuff, simple solos, regular boy/girl, no anal, or a POV. There's a reason why Lightspeed and FTV have done well without doing any hard crazy stuff. Some of us just wants to see a pretty girl and that's all. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 6:14PM “Pornography is dying” obviously isn’t a factual statement, it’s a purely ideological one. All Root is really saying is that he can’t find enough porn that he likes. For someone who can -- me, for instance -- porn is very much “alive”. The quality that has always distinguished John Stagliano from the rest of the pack is that he makes videos that personally turn him on -- ones that reflect his tastes, his obsessions, and, yes, his fetishes. More and more directors are following his example and playing out their own “perversions” and/or "aesthetics" in their films. Joey Silvera, Jules Jordan, Christoph Clark, Mason, Erik Everhard, Jake Malone, Johnni Darkko, Chris Streams, Danny Case/Pat Myne, Francesca Le, Mark Wood, Brandon Iron, Jewel DeNyle, Brian Xin, Jim Powers . . . and Tony Comstock all come to mind. I may not like the work of many directors whose films are “personal” -- for instance, I can’t bear to watch John Leslie’s videos no matter how many times I’ve tried. But I love the fact that he’s making something distinctive enough that I can tell he directed it without my having to watch the credits. Porn is more “alive” for me now than ever. [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 6:30PM Bob wrote: “Pornography is dying” obviously isn’t a factual statement, it’s a purely ideological one. Click to expand It is at least an honest argument, and in France, where they take sex seriously, the critics seem convinced: reflected in some 15 movies so far, the Root philosophy of pornography has prompted even Le Monde to laud him as a film-maker who "given the draconian demands of the genre, remains both ambitious and modest". More exceptionally, Les Cahiers du Cinema, the legendary film magazine, went so far as to declare that Root's "unique blend of trivial audacity, iconoclastic imagination and taste for pleasure, combined with his real sense of cinema, make this simply one of the best French films we have seen this year". But while he welcomes the critical acclaim, it doesn't pay the bills, as Root is the first to admit. (The name is a pun on la biroute, one of many Gallic expressions for the male member. Root, 42, was born plain Jean Guilloré.) The cable channels which screen most of French TV's 900-plus porn films every month pay little more than £5,000 per movie. And while the popular pay-TV station Canal Plus, which broadcasts much of his work on its monthly Saturday-night sex slot, will go up to £17,500, that's not even the price of a 26-minute documentary. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 6:51PM Charlton Heston is an axiom. [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 7:01PM skronker wrote: Charlton Heston is an axiom. Click to expand Richard Kern sez: [The] business isn’t what it used to be. A lot of the porn mags are going out of business. They dropped the pay tremendously and it’s all because of the internet. I used to go out once a month to LA and shoot for one week. I’d make a ton of money then come back to New York and do whatever I wanted. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 7:31PM Tony, I'll give you this...you bring a very witty, educated commentary to the subject - knowing somewhat your tastes in the industry differ far from mine. Guess it's the violent inner-youth in me that would much rather see one of my "it girls" getting double-donged,...as long as she's enjoying it...I am, too. These kind of statements from Mon. Root are what the moral freaks align themselves with when waging war on the adult industry. They have no open mind about the movies being made, and most often nothing illegal is being committed in them. So why the fuss? Because it's "dirty" and "demeaning". Just like the vomit-inducing conversation I had with the XXX Church princess during AEE, to each their own. But don't wish away our rights to watch what we want just because it doesn't fit your personal tastes. If you don't like it, don't watch it...flip the switch, turn the dial, don't buy the f**king DVD....period! Not a hard concept to grasp... In a recent Guardian article French pornographer John B Root says: Click to expand That's what I love about the business!!!...as long as the girl in question isn't being bullied into the situation. Girls like Hillary Scott, Delilah Strong, etc. all express their sexual desires...regardless of fulfilling their own fantasy, or pleasing ours... I hope the limits continue to be pushed, just to combat the bullshit that passes thru the walls of our government each day. Some argue that Amendment #1 (freedom of speech, that is y'all) has limits, and I agree...yelling "fire" in a movie theatre is one,...but not something that people have the will & personal control to do, see, or think. ~E gbffm wrote: Think back 20 years. Would you have ever seen a beautiful 18 year old girl getting double-dicked by two massive cocks. Totally unthinkable!! Click to expand Cody, I was indeed an avid subscriber to Alex & Bitchboy's ALS Scan for years, month here...month there. I agree. However, I've found that many girls who appeared here 2-3 years ago, are even now doing porn. Some of those girls, mind you, doing some pretty hardcore shit. Take Liv Wylder for instance, WOW! What a transition from what I imagined her skinny lil' ass doing on a scene! Good God! codybangs wrote: That's not true. Some new girls have done quite well not having to be DPed and even do anal. Personally, I like a little of everything in porn. I LOVE the rough stuff, simple solos, regular boy/girl, no anal, or a POV. There's a reason why Lightspeed and FTV have done well without doing any hard crazy stuff. Some of us just wants to see a pretty girl and that's all. Click to expand Edited by - eric381 on 1/18/2006 7:45:14 PM [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 7:44PM Eric381 wrote: These kind of statements... Click to expand What kind of statements? Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 7:51PM The statement he makes in general. The moral freaks see "porn" (we'll call that the "classy" stuff perhaps)... ...and then they see the "smut" (the Diabolic, Platinum X, Elegant Angel-branded material) that I enjoy watching. Then, generalizations are made between the 2 of them to form the idea that this dispicable act shouldn't be viewed by ANY public eye. And if it is to be enjoyed, then "you're sick", "you have problems", you have an "addition to perverted sexual acts". It's all pornography, the only way it's going to die is by allowing it to die. It's not a human or living thing, so it's not prone to death...only illegalization by people who don't agree with it's use. THAT is the only porn is going to die. My $.04 cents (+ $.02 from above post)... ~E TonyC wrote: What kind of statements? Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex Click to expand [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 7:59PM TonyC wrote: skronker wrote: Charlton Heston is an axiom. Click to expand Richard Kern sez: [The] business isn’t what it used to be. A lot of the porn mags are going out of business. They dropped the pay tremendously and it’s all because of the internet. I used to go out once a month to LA and shoot for one week. I’d make a Click to expand Can't argue that the Internet is killing print porn. But then Kern commands $$$ for his photographs. He's doing better than ever. What once was sleaze, for him, is now art. But it's the same stuff now as then that he shoots. (Less fake blood. And now commodified as "alt.") And the Internet also allows him to thrive by making his images vastly more accessible than when I first caught up with him at King Tut's Wah-Wah Hut in 1982 or '85 or whenever ... Times change. Real artists lead the way. This Root guy sounds like a whiner. [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 8:01PM Eric381 wrote: The statement he makes in general. Click to expand I am confused. What is the "statement in general" you understand our French pornographer Mr. Root to be making? Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]

Redish Poetic Moderator Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine 4076 Posts 12/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 8:43PM TonyC wrote: In a recent Guardian article French pornographer John B Root says: "I want to be able to watch a sex film, get my physical pleasure out of it, and not have my brain tell me afterwards that it's revolted and ashamed because the thing was so cheap and nasty and demeaning. There's no earthly reason why a porn film shouldn't also be a good film. I want the product to respect me. "Porn's been legal for 27 years. It's rendered sex banal. There's a generation of young film-makers who've grown up with it and want the right to experiment with sex as cinematographers. There'll always be a market for sheer bad taste, of course. But having prepared the way for a genuine sexual cinema, pornography is dying - and the way it is now, I won't be sorry to see it go." Click to expand Non argo [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 8:52PM That he likes his porn "Barry White" as opposed to "Pantera". ~E TonyC wrote: I am confused. What is the "statement in general" you understand our French pornographer Mr. Root to be making? Click to expand [Link]
threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 8:56PM TonyC wrote: In a recent Guardian article French pornographer John B Root says: "Porn's been legal for 27 years. It's rendered sex banal." Click to expand It was that subjective statement that caused me to lose interest in everything else said. [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 9:16PM TonyC wrote: Bob wrote: “Pornography is dying” obviously isn’t a factual statement, it’s a purely ideological one. Click to expand . . . But while he welcomes the critical acclaim, it doesn't pay the bills, as Root is the first to admit. . . . The cable channels which screen most of French TV's 900-plus porn films every month pay little more than £5,000 per movie. And while the popular pay-TV station Canal Plus, which broadcasts much of his work on its monthly Saturday-night sex slot, will go up to £17,500, that's not even the price of a 26-minute documentary. Click to expand Examples of factual statements that Root might make based upon these circumstances are: (1) Because of industry economics, I can’t afford to make the kind of porn I like to make. (2) Because of industry economics, no one can afford to make the kind of porn I like to watch. This situation is (and has been) true for an untold number of filmmakers, but it’s not an issue of the “life and death” of film (or porn videos) as such. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 9:16PM I guess it means more to someone if the word "banal" was defined. :) Eric It was that subjective statement that caused me to lose interest in everything else said. Click to expand [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 9:22PM threesomebody wrote: TonyC wrote: In a recent Guardian article French pornographer John B Root says: "Porn's been legal for 27 years. It's rendered sex banal." Click to expand It was that subjective statement that caused me to lose interest in everything else said. Click to expand Um, banal for who ? Certainly not me. Needs more clarification. I hate these blanket generalizations. [Link]
VincentVanGauge Former Fucking Virgin Paying trib-ute to SinncentVanSage 1412 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 10:39PM payday wrote: One man's trash is another's gold Click to expand Correct. That's why I don't go to work but ask porn stars when they take their trash out. In Gauge we thrust. [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 10:47PM Donkey punching anal cum-fart drinking is here to save the day. [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 11:00PM Hip-hip....hoorayyyyy!!! ~E croy wrote: Donkey punching anal cum-fart drinking is here to save the day. Click to expand [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 11:13PM skronker wrote: Um, banal for who ? Certainly not me. Needs more clarification. Click to expand Main Entry: ba·nal Pronunciation: b&-'nal, ba-, -'n[a']l; bA-'nal; 'bA-n&l Function: adjective Etymology: French, from Middle French, of compulsory feudal service, possessed in common, commonplace, from ban : lacking originality, freshness, or novelty : TRITE Compulsory. Lacking originality, freshness, or novelty. That doesn't sound terribly different from what I've seen you write in a dozen posts, skronk. At any rate, I am beginning to believe that the genie is out of the bottle; that in a world saturated with banal sexual imagery, in a world where "porn is more mainstream that ever", transgression is a becoming less and less be potent part of the porn cocktail. What we'll use in it's place to get that same porny kick, I don't know. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex Edited by - TonyC on 1/18/2006 11:37:41 PM [Link]

Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jan 18 2006 : 11:39PM To me, "banal" always has that "I'm an arbiter of taste and you're not" kind of feel to it. [Link]
Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 12:02AM John B. Root has been making statements like this for five years now, at least. More than anything else, his rant is about economics: his economics. He survives on the money he makes from television deals and porn on TV has been under attack in France for a few years now. If he was really interested in fighting for 'his pornographic art', he would tell Canal Plus with their rigid censorship regulations to go fuck themselves. But he won't. He needs their money and so he changes his movies to please them. So much for a personal vision. Is anybody still taking "Les Cahiers" seriously? Wow. I have seen 13 John B. Root videos. While most of them were a cut above average, none of them were unique, cinematographically or pornographically enthralling and more often than not they surely did not "make sense of their subject matter" and they certainly did not "portray real people". In fact, any pleasure I got from a John B Root film -- and there were some, which is more than I can say for many others -- came from a very classic source in porn: the actors. Une nuit au bordel gets saved by the grace and beautiful smile of Tiffany Hopkins, not by Root's shenaningans behind the camera. I am just thankful that Tiffany's scene had decent lighting, while most others had to do with glaring red lighting -- you know, to make certain we realized the action took place in a brothel. The man is a more or less competent director in a world of hacks. No wonder he is critically acclaimed. Too bad he only has developed a personal view on 'pornography', and not on 'porn'. Hardware said: “I suppose I could be proud that some beautiful women found me attractive, but, living in my own skin as I do, that just seems vain and silly.” [Link]
VincentVanGauge Former Fucking Virgin Paying trib-ute to SinncentVanSage 1412 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 12:12AM croy wrote: Donkey punching anal cum-fart drinking is here to save the day. Click to expand In ten years we'll complain why Vivid and Wicked still cling to that stuff. In Gauge we thrust. [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 12:25AM Bob wrote: To me, "banal" always has that "I'm an arbiter of taste and you're not" kind of feel to it. Click to expand Were it being used by a native English speaker, I'd probably agree. Coming from someone who's first language is French, I'm less apt to read pseudo-intellectual pretense into it. With or without it's perjorative connotations, "banal" does not mean "without value". Being risk-averse, I eschew originality, freshness (whatever that means), or novelty; except in the rare instances where I percieve those qualities might be of some value. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 12:45AM Walter Burns wrote: If he was really interested in fighting for 'his pornographic art', he would tell Canal Plus with their rigid censorship regulations to go fuck themselves. But he won't. He needs their money and so he changes his movies to please them. So much for a personal vision. Click to expand As Bob mentioned earlier in the thread, this is not a rare dilema (or complaint) for a filmmaker. The cost of producing even a porn film is too great for any sane person to undertake with with complete disregard for the potential salablity of the completed project. Film making is first and formost a commercial enterprise, so whatever Mr. Roots talents as a director or pornographer, I bristle slightly at the notion that his consideration of what he can sell constitutes a lack of commitment to a personal vision. A filmmaker must first and formost be a viable commercial entity if he is to realize any sort of "personal vision". Without dollars, all we'd do is sit in cafes, smoking bitter ciggarettes, talking about the films we would make. Those without even the stamina for cafe life would resort to teaching. But the market for ideas (including films) is no more perfect than any other market, and there are often irrational and/or inefficient choke points, and while this can be frustrating for both buyers and sellers, these same choke points can create opportunities for clever people. Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex Edited by - TonyC on 1/19/2006 12:46:56 AM [Link]
TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 12:58AM VincentVanGauge wrote: croy wrote: Donkey punching anal cum-fart drinking is here to save the day. Click to expand In ten years we'll complain why Vivid and Wicked still cling to that stuff. In Gauge we thrust. Click to expand Funny thought. Not too long ago sex advice columnist Dan Savage proclaimed that oral sex is no longer optional. That is to say, that in this day and age oral sex is as much an expectation of a middle of the bell curve sex life is kissing or fucking, and that if your boyfriend or girlfriend won't give you head, you can break up with them without feeling guilty, and without thinking that you're the one with the sex problem. Do you suppose in ten years he'll be writing the same thing about donkey punching and cumfart-eating? Comstock Films:Real Life, Real People, Real Sex [Link]
Eric381 Deactivated User What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 1:08AM As shallow as this sounds, Tony...I'd venture to say in growing up as part of this generation that anything less would be considered "prude". Eric TonyC wrote: That is to say, that in this day and age oral sex is as much an expectation of a middle of the bell curve sex life is kissing or fucking, and that if your boyfriend or girlfriend won't give you head, you can break up with them without feeling guilty, and without thinking that you're the one with the sex problem. Click to expand [Link]
Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 1:29AM Walter Burns wrote If he was really interested in fighting for 'his pornographic art', he would tell Canal Plus with their rigid censorship regulations to go fuck themselves. But he won't. He needs their money and so he changes his movies to please them. So much for a personal vision. Click to expand ...A man cannot live on porn alone...fresh air and love don't fill yer belly. It seems strange that a person saying he wants porn to be better should be greeted with such derision here. I don't know if Mr Root is implying that whatever I personally jack off to is shite, and that makes me in some way less of a human. More that porn could be better and that he regrets the economy of filmmaking is what it is. I get a sense of his nostalgia for some kind of unfulfilled promise, that perhaps the cinema would be filled with great examples of films celebrating sex but isn't. That could just be the romantic in me reading into his words. [Link]
Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 1:33AM TonyC wrote: The cost of producing even a porn film is too great for any sane person to undertake with with complete disregard for the potential salablity of the completed project. etc... Click to expand Sure. But hiding behind rhetoric about the death of porn as an art form in an attempt to protect one's own market is just a little bit too hypocritic for me. I am not talking about a "complete disregard for the potential salablity of the completed project" either. If he is really worried about the fate of porn as both a commercial enterprise and an art form, then why does he hide from a real confrontation with the market. Why keep the safe television contracts? Television is not the only market for porn and it is certainly not the answer for better porn. As far as I have insight into his business tactics, John B Root is a better business man than a pornographer. I have seen his porn, so I can judge that part of the equation. oatmeal said: “Wind is pretty funny when it comes out of my ass. Wind also sucks and blows.” [Link]
Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 1:56AM Loraine wrote: It seems strange that a person saying he wants porn to be better should be greeted with such derision here. I don't know if Mr Root is implying that whatever I personally jack off to is shite, and that makes me in some way less of a human. More that porn could be better and that he regrets the economy of filmmaking is what it is. I get a sense of his nostalgia for some kind of unfulfilled promise, that perhaps the cinema would be filled with great examples of films celebrating sex but isn't. That could just be the romantic in me reading into his words. Click to expand The cynic in me is reading into his words that his definition of better porn is just as restrictive and stiffling as any market forces that he believes are threatening him. It would have been more correct if he had said that his pornography was dying. And I don't blame him for regretting that. My pornography is dying too. gia jordan said: “Is it wrong to make your clone do double anal scenes if you don't?” Edited by - Walter Burns on 1/19/2006 2:01:27 AM [Link]
Bob All-Star Member 5516 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 2:37AM Loraine wrote: It seems strange that a person saying he wants porn to be better should be greeted with such derision here. Click to expand If Root's statement had been as modest and personal as "I'd like porn to be better", I believe this thread would have been brief. Loaded words like "cheap", "nasty", "demeaning", and "banal" are bound to provoke strong, even derisive responses from those whose sensibilities are being called into question. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 2:51AM Why can't you answer my question. Tony? [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 2:57AM Loraine wrote: It seems strange that a person saying he wants porn to be better should be greeted with such derision here. Click to expand But Mr. Root -- his bad self -- has not quested us. Tony has posited him. I don;t know Mr. Root or his works. I see him as a tool of Tony's argument against porn, an argument best argued by Tony's films, which are excellent. I feel a bit jacked by this thread. I think Mr. Root is full of merdre. And my enjoyment of sex and porn is not and will never be banal. Nicey nicey nicey .... Edited by - skronker on 1/19/2006 3:18:18 AM [Link]
Cock Choke Me Member 378 Posts 9/04	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 3:54AM Hmmm...to quote Scott Fayer... "I blame Kurt Cobain's homage to glumness and thrift store sweaters for society's need to slow down and look for sorrow at car crashes, its desire to point out the faults first, and its brutal kidnapping of the fantasy one once envisioned of sex starlets doing it only for the joy in fucking, not for survival." [Link]
dac David Aaron Clark Just another WKW wannabe 574 Posts 2/04	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 4:38AM Bob wrote: Loaded words like "cheap", "nasty", "demeaning", and "banal" are bound to provoke strong, even derisive responses from those whose sensibilities are being called into question. Click to expand Gee, that's funny -- except for "banal," which certainly describes 90 percent of everything (& mayhap 99 percent of porn), those "loaded words" are exactly the language used to sell the porn to the folk who are the most upset about Root's declarations. Holding up a mirror remains the best way to piss people off. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jan 19 2006 : 4:43AM Not me Daddy, not me! I enjoy cheap and I enjoy expensive! Skank and debutante! Plszzzzzz Want it all! Can I? Daddy? plszzz? [Link]