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rogrtipe
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1103 Posts
11/99
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 2:10PM
I was going to title this one "Which Was Worse" but that sounded to negative.

So which move was more diappointing...."The New Devil In Miss Jones" from Vivid or "Neu Wave Hookers" from VCA.

Discuss and debate.....but be nice....

I have to finish my NWH review and then I'll be able to weigh in. *cough, cough* Hookers *cough* *cough*

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Rog

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Jeff @ IAFD All-Star Supporter
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931 Posts
6/00
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 2:17PM
I haven't seen Eon's flick yet, but it's gotta be pretty bad to rank lower than the "improved" DMJ.
MASAMUNE
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 2:23PM
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SAMCRO
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 2:24PM
I haven't seen Hookers but did see the Devil In Miss Jones and while it's not my cup of tea really as I don't normally watch a lot of features I was very impressed with Savanna in this role and she kept me watching until the end. The sex was ok but I'm much more of a gonzo guy so it was a under that in terms of intensity. How's that for discussion.

rogrtipe
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1103 Posts
11/99
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 2:39PM
I've read the reviews and even after watching it twice I just don't see what the other people are seeing.

After watching both, Hookers is more disappointing because..

A. The sex scenes are worse. (At least in Devil there was one good one.)

B. I expected more. (Vivid is Vivid after all.)

C. The original was better. (Up for debate I know, but IMHO anyway)

D. The hype for Devil wasn't quite as big.

Now before I get buried in a pile of crap...something positive.

I think that for the next Hookers project VCA should gather 10 of the top directors in porn and have them ALL do their version. Let's see what Jim Powers would do, let's see what Ivan would do, let's see how Zupko would handle it, let's see what David Stanley or Guy Capo would do. And yes, let's see how Jules, John, Joey or some of the great gonzo guys would handle it.

I know it's impossible, but I think it would be interesting. That alone would be a change from this edition of "Hookers"

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Jacco All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 4:07PM
Rog, see my comments in the Neu Wave Hookers thread, I also don't seem to see what others are seeing.

Jacco

PL
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 4:16PM
I have Neu Wave Hookers on tap to review, but judge from the pics I'm going to like it to some capacity because of all the tats and piercings. I didn't see the new DMJ, and I'm not sure I want to. I really do what I can to avoid Vivid.

This will only be the second Eon McKai flick I have seen, so I'm still not settled on if I like his style or not. We'll see.

de25ge
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11/05
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 4:19PM
rogrtipe
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1103 Posts
11/99
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 5:55PM
Joey Starr
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Still wanking after all these years.
8082 Posts
10/00
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 5:58PM
Isn't this a poll?
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 6:29PM
Rog, that's one of the funniest goddamned things I've ever read. It reminds me of the chuckle I got when you decimated "America the Beautiful" years ago. The only difference being that I agreed with you. I'm pretty sure Mr. Mckai might take issue with your assessment of his work however. From what I understand he's very serious about his alt-porn cred.

P.S."I have finally found something more excruciating than the song “My Lumps" should be ADT quote of the year.

Edited by - Mike Quasar on 2/4/2006 7:01:24 PM

SpongeWorthy
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5/04
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 6:50PM
Thank you Rog for saving me 5-6 hours of my life. I can handle bad dialouge, even acting, but when the sex sucks, thats where you have to draw the line. I have never seen a Mckai film and based on your review, never will.

Are people giving this movie 4 and 5 stars because its the hip thing to do?

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 7:14PM
Nah, it wouldn't have been nearly as entertaining.
rogrtipe
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1103 Posts
11/99
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 7:19PM
Thanks Quaze,

You and Tom Zupko are the two guys who have taken SERIOUS lumps from me and maintained your sense of humor and perspective. I appreciate that very much.

Hopefully Mr. McKai follows in your footsteps, but like you I have my doubts. I'm ready for some nasty feedback.

Oh and thanks....how would I go about making that my quote :-)

Rog
PS: I just read that VCA spend 100,000 bucks on it. Hats of Eon because he must have 90,000 in his fucking pocket. This thing looks like it took less time to make than a supre low budget Jim Powers feature. WOW, this 100 grand worth of porn. To quote one of my faves..."Do you ever get the feeling you've all been cheated?"

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Edited by - rogrtipe on 2/4/2006 9:04:54 PM

cm37564
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 8:02PM

I didn't bother with Devil in Miss Jones (Jenna is dead to me)

but Neu Wave Hookers. . . .they went so old school with it, it even had the annoying blurry lighting and music too loud to hear the action.
I thought NOTHING could ruin a Joanna Angel flick.

 
JEWEL (imposter)
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736 Posts
1/06
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 8:05PM
Neu Wave Hookers very lame
Jacco All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 9:12PM
Great review! The fun I had reading it almost makes up for the time I wasted watching the movie.

Jacco

rogrtipe
RogReviews.com

1103 Posts
11/99
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 9:24PM
Thanks. I think that might be the longest review I've ever written and certainly it is the only time I sat through a movie three times just to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

All that I was missing was time that I could have spent playing XBox 360 :-)

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Rog

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4theheart
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Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 9:27PM
Yeah I have to concurr, some of your more recently reviews have been hilarious lately, although unfortunately for you its because you had to sit through a bad movie, lol
astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - Feb 4 2006 : 10:10PM
Damn, I've got both of them sitting on my desk now. I think DMJ is far ahead of NWH as to when it's going to get watched, but both seem to be falling far behind now...

"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

Pocketcomb_Pimp
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7/03
Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 12:58AM
New Wave Hookers might be my favorite classic series. 2-5 were outstanding! I never considered seeing the remake because the collective cast lacked the star power to propell this title.

DMJ had the star power, but at the same time star power isn't always sexual power, hence my dismay for the old school studio system.

It really sucks when classic titles get a bad rap. I did like Sex World 2000 & Braodcast Barbara Too though. Goes back a while but solid titles.

I'd be open for a good run of Hershey Highway and Caught From Behind. With all the good anal out today people most likely could do these titles justice.

tricia_devereaux
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4283 Posts
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Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 2:23AM
I watched New DMJ with some fast-forwarding but made it to the end. I am constantly impressed at how much bigger than life Jenna seems in a movie - even a movie that I don't like very much.
Savanna did a good job. I just didn't like the movie.
And for shame on the cinematographer for being able to make film look SO ugly. Even the best looking scene in the movie looked like it was shot on video with a film look added.

I was going to look at Neu Wave Hookers 'just because' but I think I'm going to have to pass. Stuntgirl and Squealer each took me about 20 minutes to watch with all the fast-forwarding I did. At least the new DMJ took me an hour.

Edited by - tricia_devereaux on 2/5/2006 2:24:00 AM

Woland
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69 Posts
5/04
Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 5:36AM
It seems to me that for every $ spent on a pornmovie over a "normal" budget only makes the sex less important, lowers the intensity of performers, enables directors to get silly ideas about photography, editing, lightning, props etc, that allways seems to make big budget movies lack in the only category that really counts in the end, sexual intensity.

Not that less money spent is a recipe for sucess, but when I search my memory I cant think of a single "big budget" skin flick that had a significant amount of sexual intensity.

I wonder where the magic number for overworked productions is? 40-50k$?

Maybe the problem is that the only movies studios are willing to spend the big money on are "remake sequels" or already established product lines, tying the hands of the prospective directors.

I figure the only way to make bigbudget porn interesting might be to give a proven good director with a good original idea alot of money and and let him/her just run with it. Maybe then there would atleast be some hope of the endproduct being interesting.

Edited by - Woland on 2/5/2006 5:36:59 AM

dac
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2/04
Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 5:38AM
I wonder if our "alt"-heroes even would get the ref ....

Rog wrote:

To quote one of my faves..."Do you ever get the feeling you've all been cheated?"

dicknjane
Member

171 Posts
1/06
Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 7:45AM
We are not feature fans, but are planning on watching the big AVN Award winners to see what we're missing.

We watched "The New Devil in Miss Jones" a couple days ago. Jane didn't like it and wondered when the movie would get over .... she did like Nick Manning and would like to see more male eye candy in gonzos. Jane also noticed more than half of the scenes involve or are dedicated to lesbian action which she isn't into. Dick thought it was pretty good for a feature but definitely not whackable. It does make me wonder how these awards get doled out ... it seems like 9 awards for "The Devil" is too much. I wonder what we're going to think of "Pirates" which got 11 awards?? As a gonzo fan I have to say, I am more in agreement with the dominance of Evil Angel in the AVN Awards than with the awards to Vivid, Digital Playground and Wicked. I still think porn is about sex not art.


Edited by - dicknjane on 2/5/2006 7:54:58 AM

 
Woland
Member

69 Posts
5/04
Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 10:03AM
Problem is that ALOT of features isnt about art OR porn, its always about some redicoulus plot, weird props, pointless costumes etc.

In their efforts to make features they think they have to make the sex scenes "soft" which makes them uninteresting aswell as thinking that they need what they call a "story". It seems to me that all the extra money that gets spent on features goes to things that are irrelevant to the purpose of all sex films, gonzo or feature, which is the actual sex.

I have nothing against soft porn, or porn more focused on erotica than hardcore sex. What seems to plague all such productions though is that they lack intensity, heat and true erotisicm, be they just regular porn or "art porn".

Edited by - Woland on 2/5/2006 10:04:15 AM

astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 11:52AM
Man, for a multi-disc feature release, Christoph's Obsession is sounding better and better all the time!

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-Kelly-
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Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 5:07PM
Woland
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5/04
Posted - Feb 5 2006 : 5:38PM
The word "feature" didnt enter my mind once when I watched it, and that must be taken as a good sign But its actually a good example on the format and focus a good feature needs to have, good hot sex. Wheter theres rough, anal, dp´s in it or not is irrelevant. If the actual sexscenes arent hot it doesnt matter how much money or effort you put into the movie. And thats where Vivid, Wicked et. al almost always fail. They think big production value can make up for the lack of good sex scenes. THey might still move alot of product, but its not good porn, or good erotic film either and its certainly not art.



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