Yeah, remember that one in particular, pretty rough stuff but you can add following one from the same netwk roster: - hydie waters:gets mad out of some violent throat poking - cassandra cruz:bursts out in sobbings after being slapped.... - elana:.... And the list goes on cause those guys are mean
I think it would almost be easier to make a list of Facial Abuse vids where the girls DON'T break down... at least it would be a shorter list. One thing to watch out for in a Facial Abuse scene is the girl's face covered in puke, eyes tearing up, the girl looking totally overwhelmed, and then BOOM, the girl's face is cleaned up, their hair is often pulled back in a tight ponytail, and the girl looks half-pissed/half dead to the word with a "get this the fuck over with already" face. Sometimes I wish they'd keep the camera running during these breakdowns and resulting negotiations to continue. Many times chicks have simply quit their scenes (they call them "tap-outs") but I'm more interested in what the hell they say to these chicks to get them to continue. One scene that stands out in this regard is this emo looking 18 year old chick named Nala, who was being whored out by her suitcase pimp boyfriend. They do their typical thing of verbally and physically degrading her, fucking her throat and making her blow massive gobs of thick puke, slapping her face, repeat. Finally she freaks out, CUT, and then returns looking cleaned up and very pissed, and then they go on to the brutal sex. Finally when they jizz on her she kind of gets a smile on her face because she knows its finally over... then the take the doggie bowl full of her puke and pour it over her head when she wasn't looking. She instantly starts crying and runs to the bathroom with puke dripping down her back as the guys starts giggling. It's just weird that there is a profession where you can legally break someone down emotionally, physically, and mentally in this way. It's a sociologists wet dream.
Well maybe that too, but I was definitely thinking of sociology and the various negotiations that these girls go through with the FA crew, with their own subconscious, etc, as they work through these scenes. They clearly want to quit a lot of the time, yet they soldier through it. It is money? Is it some kind of trauma-induced numbness? Did they realize how it was going to be before the shoot? We all talk about how these girls can simply say no and quit at any time, but what is the atmosphere like on the set? What at the overt and covert forces at work that makes a girl continue when so much about them clearly seems to be saying "stop!"... Margaret Mead could have gotten a second phD from it...
Porn that is abusive to women ain't my cup of tea and I would be just as happy to see the dudes to abuse the lasses bound and gagged and delivered to the set of Kink.com for strapon "therapy".
I just saw the Adriana scene mentioned above with Rocco. It is an exact 180 degree different kind of thing than what happens in the Facial Abuse scenes. With this scene, Adriana clearly spoke very little English and looked a bit overwhelmed. She was alone with Rocco and halfway through the scene she just got a bit overwhelmed. Rocco immediately stopped and looked kind of upset himself and spent considerable time comforting her. Didn't pressure her to keep going... just clearly seemed to being trying to help her. Kind of sweet, actually. With the Facial Abuse scenes it's pretty clear from the outset that making a girl breakdown is, if not the plan, one of the goals. Every once in a while they'll get someone like Tory Lane or Allie Foster, who seem to revel in the intensity and sheer volume of puke. But often it is just a parade of insults and viciousness until they hit that button that causes the girl to start crying. Another one that I remember is Vanessa Naughty. During the pre-fuck interviews a lot of the girls talk like they are doing typical BTS stuff, not really picking up on the menace in the voice of the cameraman. They also don't realize that they are giving ammo for the guy to pummel them verbally later. Vanessa made the mistake of telling them that she's a singer. So throughout the throat pummeling they pick at her singer cred, and finally, at one point when she's got a cock two-thirds of the way down her throat, they tell her its a mic and she should sing into it. Bingo, that was her button and she jumped up and ran off the set crying. And just like other times there's a jump cut, she's back on a cock, with her face wiped of puke and with a VERY pissed off look. If breakdowns coming from verbally and emotionally and physically abusing acts are your cup of tea, pretty much the discussion begins and ends with the Facial Abuse site. Another one I remember that is interesting if a little soul-deadening is a scene with the repellent Max Hardcore. It didn't happened during the scene; it happened after when the girl was waiting to get picked up by a taxi from casa de Max. It was in Max Faktor 3 and the girls name was Dreamy Mist. The scene was typical, at least typical for Max. It starts out with a blowjob with a strategically placed garbage can to collect the puke that eventually comes. Then it moves on to anal; she seems in considerable pain, but not overwhelmed in any way (and the pained look could have been acting, this is micropenis max after all). Then more throatpuking followed by more anal. on to some piss drinking, then some throat-raping (his classy word, not mine), cumshot, then more piss drinking. In the max canon it is 100% average. Then they cut to her in her street clothes, waiting in max's garage, tears in her eyes and sobbing heavily. What follows is Max interviewing her, where he goes to great lengths to get her to confirm that she was upset from "problems at home" and it wasn't from the shoot at all. Later as she walks down the driveway to her taxi, catalina and max discuss her; basically with max calling her freaking and a basket case. It's pretty clear from the interview that the girl WAS messed up and her freakout had nothing to do with max's shoot, but it was a pretty sad thing to watch nonetheless. Think about it, max has just made you puke on his cock, several times, fucked you in the ass then shoved his cock back in your throat, then made you drink his old-man piss... and that's the BEST thing going on in your life. It's the OTHER shit that's making your cry.
Most of the replies here are about wanting to see a girl breakdown by crying or having an upset stomach or something of that nature. Why would any real man want to see a girl do that? To me a real breaking down should be the girl absolutely overwhelmed with the lust of having sex and being joyful and having great orgasms while being on a porn set. I want to watch girls truly getting off, not being abused and such as most members here seem to be enthused about. The girls are giving us viewers (men and women alike) of their stuff great joy by having sex in front of a camera, they should also be having great joy as well, not distress.
You have hit the nail on the head. Forget the part about a real man. A normal human being shouldn't get any pleasure in seeing another human being in pain. A girl breaking down because of what happened during a porn shoot may not do it out of physical pain but instead out of emonitional pain. Frankly that's probably worse because physical pain normally involves a wound that heals over time but how do you heal a damaged soul?
I don't know if I'd look at it that way. I'd be more inclined to look at it from the point of view that she had personal issues from the fact that to earn a living she had to do stuff that she thought was pretty fucked up(Most of Max later stuff was all that) and the realisation that she might have to work with other guys like Max was too much for her. The number of girls that pick porn as a career is tiny. The vast majority do it because it's quick cash and the money is pretty good. At least it once was. If most girls coming into the industry first worked for facial abuse, The meaholes guys or the old Max. How many of them would do more than a couple of shoots and then disapear?
Maybe they wouldn't disappear so quickly if the likes of JM/Max Hardcore treated them like human beings. I hope that Max someday has to make a buck by bottoming for Men in Pain, Captive Male or strapon Queen Debi Diamond. Anyone else here think it would be a hoot to see some strapon Queen like Debi Diamond give Max a taste of his own medicine?
^I wouldn't because I'm not sure that Max really understood that what he was doing was so destructive to the girls. I think that he had been in the industry for too long and got numbed to normal porn over the years. It didn't help that he was surrounded by some pretty kinky girls. The kind of stuff that Catalina seemed to enjoy was not for every girl. I'd even say that it's not even for 1% of them. If you are Max and you shoot 100 girls and 5 of them burst out crying then you might think that they are having a bad day. Especially if some of them comeback and shoot some more. I don't think it excuses him completely because someone must have told him that he was too hard on the girls. Maybe he should have listened.
Thanks for the food for thought, but to my mind Max represents a fraction of the porn industry that has caused too many young women to shorten their careers as a result of the abuse they suffered. Perhaps their is some validity to the "numbness" defense, but Max and the various pseudo-Maxes seem to take a sadistic pleasure in making the experience of shooting a porn scene as miserable as possible for the female involved. I understand that they are appealing to a certain segment of the porn market, but too often the line between putting on a show for the fans has been blurred and the actress has been subjected to real, not staged, abuse.
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Posted - Jan 21 2012 : 2:35PM
In "American Bukkake 21", in the scene with Mya Mason and Misty Mason (aka Japan). Misty Mason breaks down half way through the 69 man cum bang getting sick, making accusatory complaints and crying. Mya next to her, as expected remains enthusiatic, and the scene continues to its ending with Misty just sitting there while Mya 'covers' for both, ending with the two women having totally painted faces.
Initially, I did not want Misty there. Bukkake seemed way out of the norm for her, but I watched it because I really like Mya Mason. It was very standard and nothing happened except what she signed up for, so to me, this is just something I did not need to see and Misty (Japan) just flaked out on something she could not fake her way through.
You're obviously absolutely right; clearly a million things we're going on with her and four hours of drinking urine, puking on cocks, and calling an elderly man who is pissing in your mouth through a viagra-enhanced erection "mister" obviously was a major contributing factor to her crying, regardless of what she was saying in the interview. According to IAFD she (dreamy mist) did like 7 movies; hard to tell whether this was the first, last, or somewhere in the middle... What I found disturbing (but not surprising), was the fact that the only thing max was concerned about (and concerned enough to get it on film for his later protection) was her being clear to him that he wasn't the cause of her crying. He really did not care at all about why she was crying; in fact he was annoyed by it. At one point catalina says something like "I hope she takes care of what she needs to take care of back in Denver" and max just basically says, "fuck her."
She probably only went along with Max so that she would get paid for the scene. I agree that Max coerced that statement from her in an attempt to cover his ass legally and suggest that it would ge at best naive to take her statement at face value, given the coercive circumstances under which it was solicited from her.
Man I love watching the girls bite off more than they can chew! Just finished jerking off to Penelope Piper's Latina Abuse scene! I love how in the begining she says oh I love porn and later in the scene she ain't saying a word! And then she cries Thats a good break down scene if anyone's interested
As I have said before - how about a breakdown of sheer joy by the ladies indicating they are truly getting off, who wants to see them in distress, I sure do not. Nor do the porn stars themselves want to experience that either. At least I would sure hope not.
It may have occured to you but I suspect it didn't so I will tell you why she said one thing and then did something quite different. She shot that scene in 2010 so it was just at the beginning of her porn career. Her understanding of porn shoots may not have been all that great. She was hired to shoot an anal B/G with some extreme oral sex. Did she get everything explained correctly prior to the shoot? I'll say for argument sake that she did. It doesn't change the fact that being told that a guy will shove his dick so deep and hard in your throat that you may vomit (she did) isn't the same as experiencing it. The kind of stuff these guys shoot sometimes surpasses the shit Max did and that's not easy. So a girl who gets skull fucked, vomits, gets fucked in the ass and is treated like a piece of shit is likely to have a very human reaction and breakdown.
To be clear, I DON'T think necessarily Max coerced the statement from her. It looks like the shoot was over, and he had already done his standard post-scene interview and payout recorded-on-film-to-cover-his-ass thing (you rarely see these unless he would post them if someone like Neesa claimed they were abused), and then, at some point later, she started crying while waiting for her taxi. At this point he took at his camera AGAIN, to get her to say on film that her crying wasn't about him. The difference, of course, is that she had already been paid and didn't have the thought of not being paid hanging over her head. That said, the notion that her afternoon of essentially inhuman degradation wasn't some kind of major contributing factor to her crying is obviously naive.
Why stop at her breaking down and crying if that gets you going? How about open hand slapping,closed fist punching, maybe when she starts crying you could squeeze her head in a vice, waterboard her, maybe just throw her under a train?
(for literalists, obviously, i am not serious)
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Posted - Jan 29 2012 : 1:00AM
Man, I KNEW I shouldn't have deleted that scene so fast!! I took one look at her, figured she was too big for my liking and in the trash she went! I have to be completely totally honest here. When I first saw Facial/Latina Abuse and Ghettogaggers, I was INSANELY turned on. I joined immediately after I quit jerking off (about three consecutive days) and downloaded the ENTIRE libraries of each. Fuck, it was a few years ago and there's STILL many, many scenes I've yet to watch. I guess those were their glory days because that site is painful to look at now.... I completely agree w/the dude. There's nothing quite like the sudden moment of clarity when the star or starlet says to herself, Uh Oh, what have I gotten myself into here? It's not a break down, but I think my favorite "modern" scene (this year), and it's not underground at all, is Asa Akira with Nacho Vidal - Insatiable 2. I'm on a mission to try and hunt down more pornstar breakdown scenes now!
First-obviously bullshit-this question is like the other 99% on this forum, which are not for "documentary" purposes". Second-those who jump in to judge the perversion should fuck off. Third-I agree with other posters, that hey "whatever floats your boat", but "to thine own self be true." For example-I get off sometimes on seeing porn girls who are clearly a little doped up on something. It adds some extra depravity to it for me. Other times.... I prefer them to look pure as a 1950's snow. And I don't give a shit who has a problem with it, they can STILL fuck off :) Oh... and to the OP, dishonest or not-I can suggest one movie off the top of my head: American Bukkake with Camilla (I forget which number, but the name will get you there), it's her first porn movie-and the poor girl picks a freaking JM Bukkake of all things. He also appears to manipulate her into swallowing all 40 loads or something. She doesn't cry, but no question she breaks down.... she even says it's the worst day of her life. No laws against watching porn stars who don't belong in porn.... have at it, I stick to judging my OWN ethics.
One poster said <<There's nothing quite like the sudden moment of clarity when the star or starlet says to herself, Uh Oh, what have I gotten myself into here?>> That's an interesting way to look at it, I'm struck by the choice of words, "moment of clarity", has a sort of new age ring to it. That said, you're "moment of clarity" might be his "moment of trauma". The language we use to describe something shapes that event for our readers, but lets not mince words, when these girls break down, they cry etc, they are suffering, they're scared, and they are panicked. If you want to call that a "moment of clarity" thats cool, but lets say what it really is, the girls are suffering, and some of us like to watch...
Ah-I thought of some other movies: JM Productions completely rips people off with these movies, but I bet you'll find some material like this in them: "Porn's Most Outrageous Outtakes" or something like that. I saw one, it was a 20-30 minute scene of nothing, a porn star walking around the set or something. Sometimes I think Jim Powers is a scumbag-not because he films girls eating 60 loads of cum, but because he screws his customers without a thought.
Ha! By this logic, you could say the same thing about anyone who watches porn at all as part of their sexuality. Everything is relative and a "real man" minds his own business, unless someone is getting hurt. Nobody is getting hurt here, so what we have is a couple of pretentious, judgy, christian fraud types, neither of you two are "real men" because of your sexual tastes or lack thereof. And at least the fundy christians know they are judgey assholes-you two probably claim not to be lol. This thread is revealing a lot of the frauds at ADT.
That's an interesting way to look at it, I'm struck by the choice of words, "moment of clarity", has a sort of new age ring to it. That said, you're "moment of clarity" might be his "moment of trauma". The language we use to describe something shapes that event for our readers, but lets not mince words, when these girls break down, they cry etc, they are suffering, they're scared, and they are panicked. If you want to call that a "moment of clarity" thats cool, but lets say what it really is, the girls are suffering, and some of us like to watch...
"Ha! By this logic, you could say the same thing about anyone who watches porn at all as part of their sexuality..." No you can't... "Everything is relative and a "real man" minds his own business, unless someone is getting hurt." Sorry, people are being hurt. You know the parts where the girls break down, those parts... "Nobody is getting hurt here, so what we have is a couple of pretentious, judgy, christian fraud types, neither of you two are "real men" because of your sexual tastes or lack thereof." I am athiest. Judging isn't always bad. It's not bad where people are being hurt. When I see sadism, i often get involved. "And at least the fundy christians know they are judgey assholes-you two probably claim not to be lol." I am judging here, and I think I am 100% right. Does that make me an A-hole, don't care. Indeed, as a proponent of the first amendment, our only leverage over things that go to far is for "the rest of us" to judge the stuff as wrong, to create a climate where if you like the stuff, you feel bad about it. Cheers!
Nonsense Hilario-this isn't some dumb child/ren we're talking about. These were adults who had written contracts-they knew what they were getting into. If they are morons who agree to things they don't want to-I don't see how that is the other party or the end viewers "sadism" or fault. And all assholes think they are 100% right :)
World's biggest hypocrites.This is wrong headed. As soon as you let them bully you into attacking free speech, you've lost. Even if it happens to be speech you find to be utterly distasteful. There are people who get off on this. There would be people who got off on the fantasy of this if there was no official porn for them to buy. There are no entirely innocent people sitting out there jacking off. To be wagging your finger at someone because he takes things a few steps farther than you do is not going to protect free speech. The people who want to kill porn don't care how innocent it is (or isn't). It's all bad to them. Whether it's for religious or political reasons. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/30/2012 1:49:52 AM
Seed, many have said on numerous occasions that the excitement is watching the girl breakdown. If we agree that when the lady breaks down she is suffering, either from mental or physical coercion, than the viewer is presumably getting off on this pain. Look up sadism in Websters, thats a pretty good fit. While this stuff may be legal, lawyers are expert at providing safe harbor to the morally challenged. As far as I can tell, whole genres are dedicated to causing the ladies to breakdown, its the point. I think you've highlighted one of the FA series with Camilla(?) as a good example of a breakdown? Ultimately, its interesting to see the choice of words fans use to justify the appeal of this stuff. "Moment of clarity" is my favorite, like something philosophical just happened. All that happened is an immature little girl got knocked around by strange men, for all the world to see. It would be refreshing if the fans just said, "I like to masturbate when people suffer..."
I agree with you that they are all of legal age but an 18 or 19 years old just starting in porn may not be aware of everything that's going to happen to her during an FA type scene. Just so you know. Girls don't sign a contract with a site but a release form authorising the site to market and release her scene. She agrees on the price of the sexual act(s)she's about to perform so that she knows ahead of time how much she'll make for what she's about to do.Calling a girl that breaks down because a sexual scene was too much for her a moron may not be the best argument to use when discussing young women doing some of their first porn shoots. Actually it is the viewers fault because if people didn't join an FA type site then they wouldn't have money to hire the girls and they would go out of business. I'm not saying that every FA member is a sadist but I am saying that if you want to see a girl break down on screen and that it sexually turns you on then you are a sadist.
You guys can call it whatever you want. All I know is I'm into scenes like the one I posted earlier with Penelope Piper and I don't give a damn what people think about me. You want to feel bad for these girls be my guest but don't think you will be changing my mind about it! Bring on the break down scenes!!
"You want to feel bad for these girls be my guest but don't think you will be changing my mind about it!" I'm talking to the "rest" of the folks on here Dude, not trying to change the minds of believers...
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On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - Jan 30 2012 : 10:57PM
If a girl breaks down on camera, there are only 2 people to blame; the girl and also her agent. Max has been doing the same schtick for years so it's been well documented what he's all about. Blame the agent for sending the girls who are unable to handle the scene and also the girl for going along with it. Just the fact that the word "Abuse" is in the title or on the website name should be a tip off.
Exactly, and well put. Either a girl wants to eat cum from 50 fat strangers in a JM Production or she doesn't. If she doesn't fucking know, and doesn't figure it out until dude #20, it's her own fucking fault. I have no sympathy for stupidity. And the amount of sadism in sexuality is so broad that the points on sadism in this thread are laughable. It's up to the girl what type of scene she does, and how well she does in it... And here's an idea-if she changes her mind 30 minutes into it-she could get up and walk the fuck away... There are a LOT of victims in the world, plenty to crusade about. Dumb porn girls is not among them, they are not victims, they are like anyone else; they are people who made a bad choice and doubly bad since it was caught on film and mass produced.
I still do not understand why real men are turned on by seeing any women abused, it to me is just plain cruelty and nutso. Far better to see a woman truly getting off in scenes in my mind and having orgasms, who is with me on this one?
By that logic, masochists are equally "sick", so are fetishists, say foot fetishists, or guys who like femdom... or heck, even guys who like anal. It's a slippery slope, and like it or not, you're on it. The only real fence is "legality", which includes consent among adults-including the girls who mistakenly bite off more than they can chew in a porno. Personally, as long as nobody is getting hurt (rape, pedophilia, etc.), I could really care less about others' sexuality... for me to care indicates that my life is very boring lol. And nobody is getting hurt when guys buy legal movies where girls are roughed up, whether they like it or not-and clearly many girls DO like it... so obviously the issue is not as black and white as some of you would like. Also-let's just boil this down: You are entitled to like "vanilla" sex all you like, but don't impose your beliefs on others, again, that's what christians do :) I don't know who else here is... but I am an American-which means it's OKAY TO DISAGREE, and NOT EVERYONE HAS TO THINK LIKE YOU. Course-many Americans don't understand the concept of freedom at all lol! For example, is there anything more un-American than "Love it or Leave it"? Yet, at least hundreds of thousands had that mentality during Vietnam, and again during the so called "war on terror"....
"This is wrong headed. As soon as you let them bully you into attacking free speech, you've lost. Even if it happens to be speech you find to be utterly distasteful." Free speech is not affected unless the government gets involved. I would not support, indeed I would protest an attempt to stop or censor this kind of porn. I think any of us have a right or even a duty to speak against things that are legal, but nevertheless wrong, immoral, sadistic etc....People should feel ashamed when they feel sexually titillated by another persons pain. "The people who want to kill porn don't care how innocent it is (or isn't). It's all bad to them. Whether it's for religious or political reasons." I would never support cencorship. That said, nothing gives the porn haters more ammunition than the kind of porn which appears to have as its main goal breaking down human beings, knowing people will masturbate while they watch it all." "There are people who get off on this. There would be people who got off on the fantasy of this if there was no official porn for them to buy." Yes, there are people who like to masturbate when they think people are suffering, I'm not sure this gives weight to your argument. For the actresses this is probably not fantasy.
Interesting juxtaposition. Aspen, I think, felt - ashamed might be too strong a word - but seemed to feel she had let down the "team" by being physcially overhwelmed. Roxy was just pissed.
Posted - Jan 12 2012 : 4:56PM
Thats a good break down scene if anyone's interested 
