I was recently looking for info about past porn stars and found a thread that claimed that one of my favorites was now doing escort work. I went to exotica-2000.com and was shocked at what I found. Not only was my fav available for hire, but what seemed to be half of the female porn industry as well. You can even check a calendar to see what, and when stars will be in your area who are available for hire.
What's the deal? Are porn stars turning to escort work, or is this website just full of shit? Has anybody actually used this service?
I consider myself to be extremely open minded, but feel that this kind of undermines the legitimacy and respectability that porn has worked hard to achieve.
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DenverDon Benevolent
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Posted - Aug 20 2004 : 4:46PM
Some stars will escort.
I don't know about exotica-2000, but you do have to be careful of the escort sites as some of them will play the bait-and-switch game. That is, they will post a porn stars picture, but when you try and book them they will respond with "she's all booked up, but we have others you might be interested in".
In other words, the porn star picture is only bait.
Also go to bodymiracle.com for other porn stars. These are not fakes. Read escort reviews of porn stars at theeroticreview.com. You can find tons of reviews for Miko Lee, Tabitha Stevens, Nina Hartley, Keisha, Kianna, Blake Mitchell, Jeanna Fine, Annie Andersin, etc. They charge an arm and a leg. Cynara Fox was in Philly last week charging $600 I think. A lot of the busty porn stars also escort: Tara Moon was also in Philly last week @ $1000. There's also a yahoo group (inside_her_info) dedicated to porn escort information. You can check numerous cities in US and the world for escorts local and visiting every week at eros-guide.com. I check it every week to see who's in town.
Tons of pornstars are escorting as it is another way for them to make money. Many of the lesser known stars or "washed up" pornstars can make more money escorting rather than doing a film. In the end it does not matter as whether they are escorting or making porn they are essentially fucking for money.
Is this the new weekly feature of ADT? I knew SOMETHING had to replace Euro Babe of the Week.
Eyeman -- there's about 2,700 threads on this exact topic. Type porn stars who escort or similar into an open search and you will; have lots of answers!
^^^^^^ My point is the original author of this thread said that porn stars who escort are undermining the legitimacy and credibilty of porn, and my response was it does not matter because they are still fucking for money.
I was with you right up until the last two words, al20. The lack of legitimacy in porn isn't because the performers fuck for money, it is because they fuck, period.
Porn has been working to achieve legitamacy and respectability? I think that it is less underground than it used to be, but I think that is because as a society we are more open than we used to be. At least we are about some things. Part of it is the spectacle of the "entertainment" industry in general.
If any porn babe wants to sell their bodies for sexual services, who the hell are we to criticize? Its none of our Goddamned business what they do in their private lives.
The only downside I can see to pornchicks escorting is if they are currently active performers.
I'm talking about HIV and other STDs. Everytime an active performer has sex outside of the industry (other than a regular mate), they potentially expose other performers. And, as we all know, thanks to regular testing the porn population is FAR safer than the general population.
If a girl wants to take a year or so to do escorting while she can make a ton of money, that's great. Take a minimum 30-day break between escorting and returning to performing. Then take and pass your AIM tests and your good to go :) All I'm saying is that escorting and performing should not be done at the same time.
So there is a special porn-island, where the porn performer community lives secluded from the rest of the world?AFAIK in Austria there is a law about public health that calls prostitutes to attend a medical check every week. Maybe prostitutes in the USA have to undergo similar procedures? Oops, I forgot in most parts of the USA, and also in Sweden, such a horrible thing called prostitution is not existant (at least in legal ways).
Anyway, who guarantees that a regular mate is monogamous, and if not, if s/he is the reincarnation of Giacomo Casanova - who at least used intestinal skin condoms - and not a crazy Don Juan wannabe? Do porn-performers, who have no regular mate, live in celibacy in their leisure time?
Yeah, that's a cool idea, and yeah, I would say everyone gives it a nod or two within the industry. Back to the real world, porn has snuck in under the legitimacy header of "art and freedom to do stuff", which no one really argues with, but no one believes, either.
We all understand that the PURPOSE of porn is not art or freedom to do stuff, it's material intended to stimulate sexually. It's prurient, and that is somehow not good. It is not a legitimate business, not a decent way to earn money.
What would be nice is if everyone would stop dancing around trying to say how sweet and lovely porn is, and just take the whole donut, stuff it in their mouth, and swallow. Sex work is acceptable. There is nothing unrespectable about selling your sexual skill and sexual attractiveness - On camera, off camera, to strangers, to a select group of strangers who are related by paperwork, to one man until he dies 25 years before you do, or to one woman so that she'll keep your house and raise your kids.
I am tired of seeing things like "just having sex for money". Yeah, well, you just bang on a nail with a hammer for money, you just answer the phone all day, you just type stuff your boss says, you just aphebetize files, you just collect trash bins, you just make change and swipe things slowly at the grocery store. EVERYONE is just a cog in the machine.
The job I want/perform has been declared illegal in most of the USA. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. Up until quite recently in the history of this grand nation it was illegal for darker skinned people (and not JUST blacks) to do the same things white people could do. It wasn't just frowned on or prosecuted during election years, either. It was so freakin' illegal and horrible that people died over it. It took a while and LOT of people speaking up and taking some serious risks to get the idea of equality for all to be accepted. (note; I said the idea, not the reality) I don't see many people standing up to say "hey, give sex workers a chance", so I don't see any bright shining light in our near future. It begins in your mind, though, hey? Quit marginalizing me.
What are the laws in Nevada? Are they subjected to testing? Nothing wrong with having sex for money between two consenting adults. There are a lot worse things going on in this world. Oh, some porn stars work at the Bunny Ranch, too. I know Ruby worked there. Personally I don't know how they do it: getting physical with numerous out-of-shape businessmen everyday. I'd go as far to say that I think I'd like to die while having sex with a porn star (preferrably Miko Lee). Look at Hugh Hefner, he gets it everynight with 12 girls. And he pays them to be his girlfriends. (Howard Stern got that scoop.) An envelope with a check inside is left for each girlfriend everyweek.
"I consider myself to be extremely open minded, but feel that this kind of undermines the legitimacy and respectability that porn has worked hard to achieve."
there are so many ways I want to jump on this.... I think a bigger black eye on the porn industry is when a girl is injured on set,when a girl feels like she was raped, when an actress kills herself,or when an sweet 18 year old becomes a dumb ass meth head and becomes a hero.
The fact is this is a short ride for most,it's like being an athlete you have to get in and get as much money as you can before you reach your sell by date. Be smart and invest or buy a house and make the rest of your life easier. I am always amazed at the amount of hypocrisy in porn, it's like there is strata, with some people thinking they are better or know whats best.
True, all true. And it's not just applicable to porn, always. Some of the same can go for a lot of professions. Fuck them before they can fuck you. Make your killing. Don't party too much.
God, I did meth like three times and loved it so much I swore it off forever (that was 17 years ago, I think -- I did manage to kill a few brain cells!!)
That is the heart of the matter. The law cannot make something right or wrong. You give happiness to so many people, yet the establishment wants to punish you for it. It makes no sense.Some people in some places are standing up. Sex work is now legal in several Australian states. My own state has not yet reformed the law, but legislation has been raised in the parliament three times, and only narrowly defeated. One day it will get through.
This is not a lot of direct help to you, but one day your own political reformers will be able to point to these laws and use them as examples of how well a civilized attitude can work.
Well stated Kimi (the whole post, not just the part that I quoted).
Personally, I think that your chosen line of work is one of the more noble professions out there. You're providing a service that your clients want. People aren't coming to you becasue the need to (like a doctor or a lawyer). They're coming to you because they want to.
I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of your clients are a lot happier after seeing you than they were before they walked in the door.
I think that there's something wrong with a society that would condemn people in your profession. Instead, they should be thanking you.
No. In the same way that I wouldn't encourage my child to enter the military or become a fireman or police officer. All are noble professions. But I would be more afraid of what could happen to them than overjoyed at how they were going to be helping people.
I think i remember saying earlier in this thread that i believe that the 'sex' industry is fine as it is. It's other people if they want to find fault with it. Simple as that. Simple.
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Starlet Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 21 2004 : 10:45PM
That is simply not true. Porn Escorts are weighting the assumed risks of infection vs. the opportunity of making a little more money with each client, then make decisions accordingly. If you offer her more, you can talk a girl into skipping the condom. Money talks. Sad, but true.
A customer has to be pretty nasty-looking for a girl to flatly refuse non-condom sex. Or he simply doesn't offer her enough $$$.
How is it that a place like E2K isn't under very close watch by law enforcement? And the other places, too. I mean, it's not like the information isn't accessible to everyone. You type E2K into a search engine and that's the first thing that shows up. Kind of interesting.
I don't know where you're getting your information. I haven't been with a porn star escort, but I'm a member of a couple of porn star escort yahoo groups and have read lots of posts on this topic, both from providers and customers, and have yet to read anything claiming that anyone has worked condom-free.
Someone may be able to talk a non-porn star escort into non-condom sex, but the porn-star escorts make enough money working with condoms that it wouldn't make any sense for them to work condomless.
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Starlet Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 21 2004 : 11:02PM
No, I don't 'think' so - I know for a fact... They will and they do. It's pretty naive to think something else. I don't know what's going on in England, I'm talking about the scene right here in L.A.
Kami, don't be guilty of the same thing you're accusing someone else of. Let's face it, some will bank 100$ and risk throwing away 10,000$ the next week. Yes, some porn star escorts can be talked into going bareback - and some can't. Some non-porn escorts go bareback ALL the time, and some NEVER do. Escorts are only people, just like any other people, who make good and bad choices and are sometimes swayed by instant gratification. Office workers look at porn sites at work and risk losing their jobs, some people indulge in petty theft at work and risk their jobs, some people turn in inflated expense accounts, some turn in dirty timecards - hey, people are people, right? In general, I believe porn star escorts to be a slightly more conscientious batch of prostitutes than others, simply because they have more on the line. They may also be somewhat more educated on the real risks. Nothing more, nothing less.
Pornstars escorting seems like a perfect match to me. It's the same thing just off camera. As for porn being respectable, I don't think it ever will be, because this country is too up tight about sex. Not to mention all the religous bullshit about sex forced on us.
"All of the porn escorts work condom-only when escorting. Some will give head without condoms. But, that's as far as it goes".
I know for a fact that one particular pornstar I wont mention her name, will do bareback with a client as long as he has a current AIM test. She advertises this on her website as the "Online Star" option or something similar to that effect. As long as your test is negative and within 5 days of your scheduled appointment then all is good. Many pornstars wont admit it but there are many some for a higher price than others that will do Bareback.
This comment almost made me laugh, but I was also a little surprised back when I first made the discovery that many porn stars offer themselves up to the public through various channels as well.
A good 50% of feature dancers escort through specialized escort services at most stops along their way, some only provide in their direct area. You can fly them in if you have that sort of cash to burn. See for yourself---> Exotica 2000 Body Miracle Sophie's Dream Girls
It would be a great way for dedicated fans to get a piece of their favorite porn star, but the price range of most of the ladies certaintly excludes your everyday casual porn fan.
Nevada brothels also play host to many visiting porn stars, and some porn stars make a particular brothel home away from home, their full-time gig. The Bunny Ranch being the most notorious for regularly hosting porn stars for the public's pleasure, other brothel's that partake in porn star delights include Sheri's Ranch, The Kit Kat Ranch, Kittys Cat House (Jeanie Rivers) and others.
First, let me apologize for my unintended naiveté. I never realized that porn and escorting were so closely related.
Second, maybe some people are too young to remember the stigma attached to porn 20 years ago, but it was considered something filthy reserved for the scummiest of porn theaters. Thank God for the VCR. Money talks, and porn is now a 15 billion dollar industry. GM, AT&T, Comcast, and other notable companies have a heavily vested interest in porn. Private, Metro, Playboy, and others are traded on the financial exchanges (btw, Private is rated a strong buy right now). It's come a long way, baby, and yes I do think it has established a level of legitimacy and respectability.
My perspective is that porn is about selling a fantasy. Knowing that performers escort in some ways takes away from that fantasy. Its like looking at a flick as a menu knowing that "yes, I can have that," all I have to do is make a phone call.
Judging by the responses to the post, most people (uh, I think everyone but me) seem to be perfectly ok w/ performers escorting. I may not agree, but I do respect that point of view.
[off topic] I think Metro was delisted a while ago. They still might be available over the counter. [/ off topic]
The whole escort thing is a totally foreign concept to me, porn stars or otherwise. I guess 12 years of Catholic school left me thinking that porn is tolerable (which eventually changed to 'porn is cool') but prostitution is icky. Strange. I wonder why that is?
Having a few years of Catholic school under the belt, I will note that it is almost impossible to totally unlearn something that a nun decides to will learn. I still have habits and tendancies left over 30 years after. Harder to get rid of than a bad habit (no pun intended).
There seem's to be two type's of porn viewer's, those who enjoy it as sheer fantasy, and those who would actually live out that fantasy if given the opportunity. I started off at the first type and have gradually ventured far into the second. There are those who believe that fantasy's are better left as just that, and those who believe that the reality is much better. I fit into the second category.
To me, knowing that a girl is "attainable" makes her much more sexy in my eyes. If given the opportunity to have sex with the women I see in porn, I'd f**k the sh*t out of 'em in a heartbeat, no hesitation, no regrets.
...Problem is, I'm not willing to pay $1,500 to do so.