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jukka
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Posted - Jun 15 2016 : 11:41PM
There have been pornstars taking a stand against child pornography which is very good but I noticed that some of these people while being against child porn have no remorse to make scenes where they are dressed like pre teen school girls wearing braces and sucking lollipop..I want to say what the fuck!! You stand against child porn and at the same time you are doing stuff to please those same sick perverts that would like to see pre teen girls in movies. That is shocking to me you cant take a stand and act differently when you do your job just to earn some more bucks. Imo this is repulsive behavior.
I think they are so into the business that they dont see the difference between these two and that is scary.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 15 2016 : 11:45PM
A child is harmed in child pornography, but a child is not harmed in the kind of scenes you described. See the difference?
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 15 2016 : 11:50PM
If I understand correctly, your claim is that most people who buy the porn you described are pedophiles. Do you have data to support your claim?
murdock
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 12:02AM
I've never encountered a single scene in porn where a performer was made to appear like a pre-teen. Either you're watching completely different porn than I am or you don't know the difference between teen and pre-teen. I suspect it's the latter.
jukka
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 12:15AM
if not then who is the targeted audience?
 
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 12:47AM
^Do you not have any evidence for your claim then?
Macko69
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 1:32AM
Some of the old stuff Max Hardcore put out clearly tried to portray the actresses as pre-teens. Also, there are a number of scenes with an actress named Lucy Doll where she is clearly portrayed as a pre-teen. The voice (tone, as well as the words she chooses), attitude and body language are unmistakable. Feel free to watch this trailer. Anyone who would claim that she isn't playing the role of a pre-teen in this clip is shockingly naive.
That said, I am confident the actresses in the porn I watch are all 18 or over, because studios, I trust, understand the liability they face if they hire underage girls. I am not a fan of porn where a woman portrays herself as a child, but I don't think that it should be made illegal. If we make it illegal to pretend on camera, then we start down a slippery slope where all sorts of other meritorious and legitimate works of art can be censored.
murdock
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 2:09AM
So you're watching completely different porn than I am.
Mister Fahrenheit All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 2:12AM
^ You don't need to have actually watched Max Hardcore to be familiar with what his schtick was. The guy was an infamous sleaze-bag.
Edited by - Mister Fahrenheit on 6/16/2016 2:12:43 AM
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 2:59AM
Max wasn't the only one but he was certainly the most overt.
murdock
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 3:00AM
^^ I'm familiar with his shtick, and I'm also aware that he hasn't been producing content for quite some time, since he ended up in prison on charges of obscenity and child pornography. If people are still watching it, that's their business, but I thought we were talking about vaguely current content based on what the OP was discussing.
Even if we include his shtick, it's debatable whether he was going for teen or pre-teen which was my point. That and the vast majority of stuff that is "teen" related gets lumped into the category of pedophilia which is generally inaccurate.
So I'll rephrase in order to be more clear, what recent content from any mainstream porn studio has depicted anyone as a pre-teen? Because I sure as hell haven't seen any.

Edited by - murdock on 6/16/2016 3:00:45 AM

BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 3:13AM
^ Apparently Max is still working, just avoiding all the things that ended him up in jail (pissing, vomit, fisting).
Macko69
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 4:08AM
If you watched the Lucy Doll trailer I linked above, you most certainly did. But feel free to dig in your heels and deny that she's portraying a pre-teen. It's funny to see someone so married to their original thesis that they blindly refuse to see the obvious truth. You're already moving the goalposts: "I've never encountered a single scene..." morphed to "...what recent content from any mainstream porn studio..." . Or you can be cool and admit that maybe this kind of thing does happen and you were wrong.
As I said earlier, this is not my sort of thing, but I knew about Lucy Doll because I saw her thread in the star-crossed forum. And I don't watch Max Hardcore stuff - never have. I saw the box covers and watched a documentary he was featured in and I didn't need to see any more.
murdock
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 4:40AM
^ When I said I had never encountered anything like that, you hadn't posted your link yet, but thanks for that little bit of revisionist history. What I said still applies. Regardless of what stipulations you want to add to it. You're watching different content than I am. That said, the OP is complaining of hypocrisy from performers that are decrying child pornography while producing content like you linked to. Is Lucy Doll one of the performers taking a stand against child pornography or is she just a red herring you introduced to try and prove an irrelevant point?
Macko69
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 4:54AM
Hey, no problem murdock! Peace! 😄
 
murdock
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 4:59AM
^ Hey, thanks for the sarcastic reply to point out an exception I was already well aware of and had accounted for in my initial statement. We all love a pedant.
cormac
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 6:01AM
The main reason schoolgirl fantasy adult porn isn't likely to excite a paedophile is because when the clothes come off, the actress is clearly an adult. Dressing up, whether it be a schoolgirl, a policewoman or a nurse has always been a popular form of stimulation for adults in their sex lives. Paedophiles are looking for prepubescent girls which is a totally different ballgame.
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 6:50AM
Good point cormac.
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 9:56PM
Actually, Max is back at it again, at least with the pissing, gagging, and vomiting. Can't remember if I saw any recent fisting stuff from him.
jukka
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 11:12PM
You do understand my point! I didnt know about this Lucy Doll but she is the kind of people I am talking about as well. She should be shame to act like a pre teen girl in her videos.
Now I was not even thinking about Max Hardcore stuff. I never watched it but I'm sure its the kind of the worse thing ever! Anyway this thread is about more usual pornstars doing that kind of sick shit.
jukka
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 11:13PM
You just proved me right.
jukka
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 11:17PM
This is exactly what I'm saying and strangely nobody could show me a list of those pornstars taking a stand about child pornography.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 11:31PM
I haven't proven anything, and neither have you. Can you?
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 11:33PM
Do you realize that Lucy Doll is a consenting adult, while the children who appear in child porn are not?
jukka
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 11:44PM
So what? Why playing the pre teen girl fantasy? What is this fantasy supposed to turn on a regular man? I think there is a vile intent to try to inject the idea to be turn on by pre teen girls.
 
jukka
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Posted - Jun 16 2016 : 11:47PM
Yes but she is playing the sick game.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 17 2016 : 12:18AM
^What sick game? Are children harmed in her scenes?
jukka
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Posted - Jun 17 2016 : 12:59AM
Of course not but what she do is intended for men that want to fuck pre teen girls.
Edited by - jukka on 6/17/2016 1:00:36 AM
a9nostic
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Posted - Jun 17 2016 : 1:30AM
Today I learned that it is possible to agree with someone, even if they employed the most ridiculous non-logic I've ever heard.
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 17 2016 : 1:47AM
^^I'll ask you again, do you have any evidence that most people who buy that kind of porn are pedophiles? If yes, are you willing to share that evidence?
cormac
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Posted - Jun 17 2016 : 8:40AM
You may have misunderstood my comment. You're saying that there is, or may be, an intent to get men turned on by prepubescent girls; in particular paedophiles. If any film maker or actor does a scene with that as their intent, then it is reprehensible. We agree on that.
My comment was to reassure you that, whatever the intent, the effect should not necessarily be to excite any paedophile - in fact it's more likely to have the opposite effect once their deviant fantasy is ruined by the actress removing her clothes. A paedophile would get more enjoyment from looking at real young girls in a mail order catalogue because the fantasy is not interrupted.
Moreover, porn can't create an interest in prepubescent girls in men who don't already have it. Paedophilia is instilled in certain men and women and they become wired that way. Most experts in the field acknowledge that there may be a genetic vulnerability in some people but that it is almost always likely to be learned behaviour - from an abusive or similarly damaged background. It doesn't arise from looking at pictures.
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Posted - Jun 17 2016 : 8:50AM
Guys under 25 perhaps? or under 20 or of an age close to that of those girls?
also a pedophile like underaged girls none of them is as such, they're too old for an actual pedo , some of them are almost 30 playing the youngster , when you see someone playing the married woman on a movie and then playing the teenager on another you still think it's pedo?
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Posted - Jun 17 2016 : 10:46AM
Also there's no need for those who perform in porn to take a stance against CP as it has nothing to do with their industry. CP is the recording of a crime that all of society views as one of the worse imaginable. It has nothing to do with commercial pornography.
jukka
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Posted - Jun 22 2016 : 11:23PM
My friend sorry to tell you that you are wrong. That thing has been done in the past and by famous pornstars. Ask Rocco Siffredi he himself took a stand against child porn saying its not like regular porn yet he surely had fucked girls playing like pre teen girls in some movies. Then what is the logic of that?
jukka
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Posted - Jun 22 2016 : 11:26PM
Either you are 25 or 45 it is sick to be turned on by girls playing the pre teen.
 
jukka
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Posted - Jun 22 2016 : 11:34PM
Your comment might make sense. Then explain me who the pre teen girl look is suppposed to turn on?
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 22 2016 : 11:50PM
^^Girls? Don't you mean grown women?
jukka
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Posted - Jun 23 2016 : 12:29AM
It's the same thing.
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Posted - Jun 23 2016 : 1:02AM
Let's get at few things straight.
Dressing an adult woman up as a young girl would be like putting lipstick on a pig, as far as a real pedophile is concerned. Thus, there are very few 'teeny' porn movies that would appeal to a pedophile, because the women are clearly adults, despite the clothing, etc.
As for us 'normal' folks, males and females become sexually aware long before most societies consider them fit to do anything about it. Thus, there is a period in our lives where we're sexually repressed, in that we have these thoughts and feelings that we can't act upon. Well, we don't know how to act upon them, either, but that doesn't stop us from knowing something's going on.
Now, fast forward to adulthood, socially speaking - role play, between consenting adults, allows us to explore or fulfill fantasies from that period without there being any actual minors involved. So long as everybody recognizes and respects the social boundaries separating underage from adult, I fail to see the problem.
yourmomma
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Posted - Jun 23 2016 : 1:32AM
there are things that are real and there are things that are fantasy.
If you watch a movie where a character is some type of gangster, does that mean Ray Liotta is telling you to go out and be a Mob associate? Do you think only sociopaths enjoy those types of movies?
If you watch a TV show where Detective Stabler is in prison and having sex with another male inmate and that inmate isn't consenting to that sex (rape)? Do you think ole Chris Meloni is being a hypocrite because, he is a decent human being who doesn't think people should be raped, but here he is, on TV, playing a character that does that? And do you think anyone who watches this TV show is probably a rapist and also probably gay or at the least, wants to bang another man in the butt?
Do you not see the difference between what is fantasy and what is not?
misspornUSA
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Posted - Jun 23 2016 : 1:47AM
It matters that you realize that you are talking about adults. The women in the content you criticize are women, and how they behave or dress in a scene does not change that in any way.
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I can't help but feel that you are unwilling to acknowledge what everyone else has written in regards to your posts because it more or less contradicts everything you have written. Has there ever been commercial child pornography than the answer is yes. The most famous case would be Tracy Lords who was fifteen when she got into porn but and this is a huge but. No one to my knowledge was aware of her age and that includes the government who issued her a drivers license acquired with falsified papers on her part. Therefore although she was underage for her entire career. She was never advertised or promoted as being such and furthermore. She didn't really act like a pre-teen. In fact many of her roles were those where she played much older than 18.
I think many have already said it better than I can so I'm just repeating that it doesn't matter to a pedophile that an over 18 year old dresses younger and acts like a child because that performer is not going to look like a pre-teen no matter how much he might want her to and that's why that type of fantasy is not going to appeal to a pedophile.
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Posted - Jun 25 2016 : 1:01PM
As far as I know nobody does anything like that they play Teens either 18 or 19 ,anything else is completely made up from you , besides no actress can actually play a pre-teen , man you're talking TWELVE
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Posted - Jun 25 2016 : 1:06PM
I'm pretty sure Rocco NEVER said anything like that , he may have said teens but to do porn portraying underage characters is illegal in Italy , you may notice that in Italian porn Schoolgirls are almost non existent, a statement like that could have lead him at least to some inquiry
Edited by - LCF on 6/25/2016 1:08:02 PM
jukka
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Posted - Jun 25 2016 : 6:28PM
So it seems for you the girls playing pre teen girls in in a scene arent meant to turn on paedophiles. Yet you cant deny these kind of scenes have a sick taste in them because if an adult gets horny watching that kind of thing it must mean he should be watched and could be a dangerous individual.
jukka
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Posted - Jun 25 2016 : 6:35PM
Could you explain this more? Because what you wrote seem quite scary to me.
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Why don't you start by explaining what you find scary about it.
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Edited by - hardware on 6/25/2016 8:17:52 PM
a9nostic
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Posted - Jun 25 2016 : 7:52PM
^ I think you are right on the head of the nail, but there will always be someone, who has thought out his opinion less thoroughly than you have, to willfully misinterpret what you said and ascribe some sinister meaning that came not from you but from his own psyche.
You were absolutely crystal clear, the concept was not so complicated in the first place, I don't know how a person could not understand what you were saying.
jukka
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Posted - Jun 25 2016 : 8:34PM
Did you ever felt the way that you described when you were young?
misspornUSA
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If an adult is aroused by watching another adult dress or behave in a childish manner in a porn scene that does not mean that that adult will be aroused by watching an actual child in a porn scene.
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