Just putting my two cents in since I'm very intrigued by this site and am seriously considering joining. The reluctance scenes are the main reason why I'm thinking of joining. I love the emphasis on plot and will probably enjoy most of the scenarios but the reluctance would be the most popular genre for me.
I don't like incest porn either, but The Business of Women and A Wife's Affair are really good, and hopefully they can bring that quality to b/g with PrettyDirty.
I am really liking some of the scenes you guys are putting out. The Mission was hilarious with the dialogue and setup, and the sex itself. (I am on a religious porn kick lately, and would love if those types of conservative guys/girls get seduced, different religions, etc.) Another scene I am looking forward to is the Wife for a Wife series with Reena Sky and Jessa Rhodes. They both look so hot and I love swingers scenes. I would agree with a previous post about the incest scenes, though. They were hot at first, but now that the trend is everywhere, it has lost a lot of appeal to me because there is so many of them. Even the Girlsway stepmom/stepdaughter scenes are losing their initial magic for me.
premise suggestion : *Reverse switching : Fuck her straight*. Simple, guys seducing lesbians..AND what I said before can be implemented easily. The whole premise of the scene is lesbian girls realizing how sexy/irresistible and pleasuring a man can be! We see this on all lesbian sites! "Straight" girls seduced by lesbians into mind blowing orgasms. It has become repetitive and almost lost the taboo sense of it (almost,lol). Maybe it's time to reverse it and spice things up for b/g fans ;) Edited by - joeteen on 5/30/2016 4:55:08 PM
^You can live that fantasy by watching the various G/G performers who cross over to B/G regularly. And the thing is there are plenty of curious "Straight" girls out there that make the Lesbian seduction fantasy believable, but Lesbians are not actually curious about being with men. But if you really want to see it, it's already been done in "Dykes taking Dick" with Nikki Hearts.
Seriously? That's not the same thing at all. We know the g/g performers who cross are mostly not lesbians, but they only shoots with girls for their own reasons then they cross over. There is no fantasy about this at all. I'm talking about a scene premise. As for real life making the fantasy believable..Well porn can sometimes create fantasies, or in other words, make people realize they wanna try that or they have a fetish for that..etc And if there are "plenty" of "straight" girls who have lesbian fantasies, then maybe there is also a fewer plenty "lesbian" girls who fantasize about being with guys. It's not like all girls fantasize about sleeping with a girl, or the girls who do are the majority, there is no grand scale thorough statistics for that (that I know of.) Plus I'm sure that switching a girl is a lot of guys' fantasy and they would watch this sort of thing perhaps. And I know it's already been done as individual scenes, I'm talking about it being regularly done. That is, if it even catches up, which I think could. I'm just suggesting, nothing more.
^I'm not a fan of the premise because too many Lesbians have to deal with men not respecting their sexuality and hitting on them when it's clear they have no interest in them in real life. Then there are things like corrective rape. Plus there are bisexual women who call themselves Lesbians who sleep with men that just makes things worse. There's an idea out there that Lesbians can be turned, which causes too much real world harm for me to find it enjoyable as a fantasy. And I think turning it into a scene will just add to the trouble.
Yeah I don't think fucked straight works. Males coercing women to sex is rape, but women coercing women, or coercing men, is hot. I'd guess gay dudes seducing straight dudes is pretty common in gay porn
^Wow I don't wanna turn this into an argument but since when do porn fantasies apply to real life? I mean if we say that this premise encourages men to hit on lesbians, then why don't we say that the reverse usual porn scenario encourages lesbian girls to hit on straight girls who happen to be not "curious"? why don't we say the entirety of porn encourages people to cheat on their partners, or encourages incest, and guys and girls sleeping with their step family members? why don't we say it encourages teachers/bosses sleeping with students/employees...etc? I'm not even talking about "forced" cuckold/gangbang/punishment sex scenarios everywhere in the porn industry. Porn is porn, it's a window for people's fantasies that can,sometimes, be unethical to do in real life. Don't get me wrong, I know some people practice some of these fantasies, but with consent. Otherwise, it's straight up rape/abuse or against institution laws. And porn viewers should be aware that this is all an act for a fantasy, and that this is not how it goes in the real world and porn companies always assure this as they should. Anyway, I'm gonna just leave it here. There is no reason to argue over a mere suggestion, if u don't like it, it's a free country, I was just surprised by the logic as if this premise out of all regular porn scenarios on almost every site is considered unethical, and the whole " guy coercing a girl is rape but other wise, it's hot" thing. Anyway, sorry bree for making a fuzz. Not gonna say a word more about this if it bothers people.
^ Your suggestion doesn't bug me. I agree with you that if adultery and incest are valid explorations of fantasy, why not turning lesbians? None of it is my thing, but all seem equally ethical/unethical to me. The problem is that no one complains about incest and women turning women into lesbians. But Pretty Dirty would take a ton of shit if they did your series, so it is a no go Edited by - 2fXZ5yn6vqqC on 5/31/2016 4:21:29 AM
^Sure, no one can stop them from doing it if they want to, but I'm stating my opposition to it and why. It's all about the free market, it may sell like hotcakes or maybe not that many people are actually interested, and it would just fall into a niche category. Everyone has limits, including performers. Many are not comfortable doing incest scenes, I think there could be a fair amount who would also be uncomfortable playing turned lesbians. And again, incest (Step), adultery, and "Straight" women being seduced by Lesbians does happen often. Actual Lesbians being turned by men doesn't. At least the usual fantasies are rooted in reality. It begs the question, why does incest porn always include "Step-family" and not characters portraying real family? Why isn't there more slavery based IR porn? If it's all fantasy, then anything goes right? There are some lines many are not willing to cross. And let's not kid ourselves, porn does influence sex in society, especially one as puritanical and lacking in basic sex education like the US.
Yeah that idea is a hard pass from me. If I had a dollar for every time in the last 10 years a guy has told me I'm a virgin because I've never had sex with a man, I could afford to buy Mindgeek.
I mean, I am inclined towards joeteen in this matter. There isn't anything stopping somebody from making incest porn, either. GO on to some of those clips4sale sites, and you will see "actual" incest scenarios as well. Whether that is something that the producer and performers are up to do, however, is always up in the air. I personally believe there should be some "lesbians experimenting with being straight" scenes. This doesn't have to be super political if done right, as I have seen [very few] scenes like this. Without getting into a whole discussion of sexuality, if someone believes in the Kinsey scale of sexuality, everyone is possibly a little bit homosexual. If a porno can say that girls (in the porn world) can be seduced to one side, who is to say the opposite can't be true? To answer your other question, there is a difference between slavery and guys hitting on lesbians in a bar. Heck, even IR is a highly controversial topic in the porn industry itself (why does it need to be labeled as such? why is having sex with a black person (or any other race) such a taboo? As I stated earlier, if done with a proper scene setup it is right. (I am not advocating corrective rape, though) When we are talking about fantasy, we are talking about just that: fantasy. While I agree that there are lines that shouldn't be crossed, what [I'm assuming] the previous people want doesn't cross that line any more than a lesbian seducing a girl. (I'd ask: Do lesbians in real life randomly hit on other girls in an effort to turn them?) Even in Bree's Girlsway world they sometimes need a special potion ;P. ...Moving on Here are some scenarios I would like to see on PrettyDirty: - Repressed Gone Wild (Bible thumpers, preachers/preacher's daughters, Mormon missionaries, Muslim girls, a recently ordained minister still trying keep his celibacy in check, nuns, amish girls, etc.) - Swingers scenes (Guys trade partners without the girls' knowledge or vice versa, one couple having their way with another hesitant couple) - Losing partners in a bet (There can be a role reversal where the girl is playing the game against another girl, and she loses her boyfriend/husband in the process) - Sibling rivalry (Storylines where siblings take revenge on each other by having sex with friends/crushes/girlfriend/boyfriend)
^ To answer your question, randomly hitting on a straight girl no, but if I'm at a party or somewhere with a girl I know that's straight but the chemistry between us is just right, I'll send some feelers out to see if there's any chance that she'd possibly be interested before I'd hit on her. IMO there's nothing more gross than just randomly hitting on a girl.
I'm not buying the whole "that type of scene where the lesbians r seduced by men can bring harms to lesbians in society" thing . Maybe it doesn't happen much in rl , maybe lesbians do seduce girls a lot more, even though there's no statistics. However, like I said, if we believe that a scene where someone seduces the other into sex with her or his consent can be harmful, then we should cut out porn all together. I'm sorry but straight guys hitting on lesbians is not worse than lesbians hitting on straight girls, or cheating on someone, which happens a lot in rl btw, if we're comparing how frequent sth is, or force xxx him/her , and it's not worse than a boss or teacher sexually exploiting/blackmailing students or employees or the other way around. Now, despite all of this, it can still be very easily done in a way that won't bother anyone. Simply a lesbian staying with her gf, she sees her gf's brother or dad or whatever masturbating or taking a shower , and he's hot and all of a sudden she wants him as hell and basically prowls on him. Though this takes away half the turn on for me, and I would've preferred if the guy intentionally makes noise and leaves the door open for her to walk in on him, or sth like that, I still wanted to make it clear that porn can be very flexible. And I think this qualifies as pretty dirty too,lol. Maybe some will find the scenario unlikely, or naive, but so is a lesbian hitting on a real straight girl so...And whatever happens more in rl, doesn't make it any less or more ethical. I see where u're coming from, I'm not undermining ur rl troubles as lesbians with guys, but then everyone who got cheated on can blame porn for it, that's not how it goes. Yes, porn affects people, like all media, the key is to teach people how to deal with what they're exposed to in said media. And I do agree that there are boundaries that shouldn't be crossed that advertise sexual activities without consent or emphasize discrimination. Other than that, I don't see y not do anything. And I don't see my suggestion having crossed any of those lines.
^^Yes there are plenty of women out there who sleep with women and still consider themselves straight. These women have slept with other women because they were curious/interested in the first place, which allowed them to be seduced. Lesbians don't have any sexual interest in men, so it's a very unrealistic fantasy in comparison to others which are actually plausible. Like Eva implied, the success rate of Lesbians hitting on and then hooking up with "straight" girls is way higher compared to men hitting on Lesbians. And with women hitting on women, at worst is a simple rejection. But men often don't take no for an answer, which introduces an element of danger and aggressiveness that I think many would find uncomfortable. There must be a reason why it hasn't really been explored much yet, since it's not a very original idea.
Aya. You keep stating a certain case, which is about curious girls experimenting with lesbians. I'm talking about a real 100% non curious straight girl, who are a lot, possibly the majority, or not, I don't know, where the whole lesbian turning fantasy is unreal to them. And similarly, I'm not talking about a guy seducing a 100% lesbian, coz then it won't make sense. I'm talking about a guy seducing a curious lesbian,lol. Sure, they may not be as much as curious straight girls, again, I don't have any statistics, just the media and what it portrays, but I'm sure they exist and that's what I wanna explore. Ofc, no real lesbian would be interested in that, just as no real straight girl would be interested in a girl,sexually. As for men not taking no for an answer with lesbians, and lesbian girls being ok with rejection. Again, I don't know how accurate this is, but the same can be easily said about straight men with straight girls and that men don't take no for an answer in general. That's not true. Maybe a considerable portion of men apply to this statement. And I don't believe there is anything that is strictly exclusive to a certain group. Meaning, everything happens everywhere in different amounts. So there surely exists lesbian chicks who won't take no for an answer. There certainly exists straight chicks who won't take no for an answer with guys...etc. But All of this should have nothing to do with the fantasy projected in porn. Porn is not required, nor is, from the many many examples I have provided, to be on that level of holding back so as not to offend anyone (based on assumptions, impressions, or real life experiences) that are not in anyway depicted in the fantasy itself, but rather linked to it in the viewer's mind from other sources. It is not required, nor is it happening, in fact, it is the opposite, porn is still controversial with the lines it crossed. And again, I offered a "lighter" scenario, eve though the original crossed no lines, that makes the curious lesbian the one in charge and making the move on the "surprised" male. Does that offend anyone? lol. I would say that qualifies as dirty, but not pretty dirty :p . Anyway, I don't think bree is gonna read all of this after all, lol. Oh well, I tried.
This certainly took a turn. I guess some fantasies are off the table for some people and some forms of coercion are fine while others are not. I can see why the fantasy joeteen suggested reflects real life problems too closely, but what of all the other fantasies that reflect existing ideas about women more broadly, and men too? What the scene would do, and what joeteen seems interested in, is rendering the male body an object of desire. I think this is severely lacking in porn, and would be a great concept for a movie. It needn't be lesbians, but I understand why that would make the transgression all the more exciting. And yes, to answer a poster's query above, all-male porn does have scenarios where straight dudes are "turned."
An interesting discussion nonetheless. On a different topic, it's nice to see legendary performer Steven St. Croix will be part of a Pretty Dirty Mini-series alongside Piper Perri and Jessa Rhodes. And I was wondering if Pretty Dirty will do Performers of the Month like Girlsway does. They could do 1 male and 1 female if they wanted to.
Thanks so much for the feedback. The Mission has been one of my favorites so far and I also enjoy bringing in some religious twists to seduction plots. I have an evil story brewing about a jehovah witness who refuses to go to the hospital for treatment so she seeks out the advice of a sneaky neighbor :) Family roleplay is everywhere these days - but I do my best to keep things creative. Still get a ton of requests and views on those scenes.
Awesome! Sounds great, and keep it up and get some different religions into the mix On another note, do you guys have any black or asians girls in some upcoming scenes? I would love to see some more diversity on Pretty Dirty/Girlsway.
^Is it just me, or does the Good Little Girl have a similar plot to a 90s film? I can't remember te name, but i remember seeing something about a mysterious runaway/bad girl shaking things up within a family by seducing the daughter and father, or something like that...
I'm gonna admit that I was looking forward to the release of the site, but once it came out, i didn't even bother with the trial membership...A bit too much of the faux-incest scenes, which I agree with some previous posters, has saturated the market. Mind you, I am speaking off from the trailers and previews. I picked up Sugar Babies on DVD and I liked that movie, but since then it has been too lackluster for me to pick up a membership, so i'll opt for DVDS for right now. I haven't renewed my Girlsway membership, either, though but that is a whole another story. Speaking of which, Bree, are there any plans to get a package membership between Pretty Dirty and Girlsway? Also, are you taking B/G story suggestions for Pretty Dirty?
Bree: I wasn't able to access Reddit to join your AMA to ask you this question. Background: You have a very rare pricing structure for the membership site. Pretty Dirty's site has a membership fee for streaming only (very, very rare in membership sites-the cost is similar to sites that allow streaming and unlimited downloads). If you wish to download the scene, you need to pay $3 per scene in addition to the streaming membership monthly fee, which makes it an extremely expensive site to join if you want to download (About $51 - 66 per month - $15 -30 for streaming membership plus 12 scenes @ $3 to download.) Question: Since the site is now on its feet and been around for a couple of months, are there any plans to change the pricing structure for the site to encourage new memberships? I can't afford to pay $50 per month for a single site. I can get yearly memberships to 5 or 6 sites (yearly unlimited download memberships at about $100-120 per year) for the price of Pretty Dirty for a year.
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Posted - Jul 4 2016 : 2:23PM
After seeing the two newest upcoming scenes trailer ,sadly they used Seth Gamble as male talent,hard enough he is in many NaughtyAmerica or RealityKings scenes paired with ladies i like to watch,now he is also at PrettyDirty.Also i would really like to see Blair Williams in a scene but please NOT with Seth Gamble or James Deen.
I must admit I haven't seen any revolutionary stuff either. It's clearly a popular site, and maybe it does the genre better than most. But it isn't unique.
^I don't know how popular, because the members are so quiet on it compared to Girlsway. Girlsway took about a year to really pick up steam, let's see what Pretty Dirty looks like on it's anniversary.
^Honestly, I don't think the site will ever take off and become as popular as Girlsway until they allow downloads to be included in the price of the membership. Big mistake in my opinion. Disappointing because Girlsway is by far my favorite site.
This is a great site and it was a pleasant surprise to see Derick Pierce and St Croix after a long time [i hadn't seen their scenes in along while]. Hopefully we get more scenes with August Ames,Leah Gotti,Keisha Grey and they should also get the likes of Brooklyn Chase,Alison Tyler,Tory Lane and Melissa May.Well basically they should shoot all the pornstars lol.For me they are the better story based version of Naughty America and Brazzers.
^ I wouldn't expect anything less from Stills by Alan and Bree Mills. They truly are masters at interesting scenarios. Their intelligent scripts are similar in quality to Jacky St James. I was really excited when it was announced on Girlsway that they were launching a BG site. At this time, I just can't afford the high costs of the site with the additional cost of $3 per scene to download them.
Even tho I'd like to join PrettyDirty I have to be honest and say that I won't do so as long as downloads costs extra. The usage of creepy old St.Croix doesn't help much either.
Hi HJB, We are definitely taking story suggestions through Pretty Dirty's member forum. I am hoping to get a package deal for fans of both sites in the next few months. Cheers, Bree
Had hight hopes of The Feral Woman: Part Two. It was an ok scene but Gina Valentina was too loud and I missed the taboo mom/dad/daughtertalk during the sex. It seems Pretty Dirty is making the same mistakes as the beginning of Girlsway. Its the talking and setups that make the scenes different from the normal pornstuff on the net. The same for Trophy Daughter. Good potential but almost no taboo talking during the sex.
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Posted - May 17 2016 : 6:42PM
