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willywilly
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Posted - May 20 2005 : 11:43AM

Have an Epson Stylus C86 now. It is less than a year old. Probably more like 6 months old.

In my opinion, it is crap. It has always been fussy to use.
Worse, the ink cartridges do not seem to last as long as the cartridges from the previous printer, and they are expensive.

Now today, a piece of foam rubber came out the same slot the paper normally feeds out. Upon looking inside, it looks like a section of foam tore loose from inside. Tried to print, and of course it jammed.

I expect that I'm screwed on this printer. I doubt the store will take it back, nor will Espon do anything about it - or if Epson will, then it will not be worth the cost of shipping.

So I'll probably be printer shopping soon. I'd like to get something reliable this time around, and maybe not so expensive to operate.

I thought I'd get some advice here. What do you recommend?
Brand and model.

Other info -
My use is: nothing fancy, just home use, no photographs.

Previous printer was a Lexmark. Forgot the model number - it was probably about 5 or 6 years old when it wore out. It was quite satisfactory. Didn't buy another Lexmark because I was told by someone that had recently been in the printer market that Lexmark and HP were no longer good stuff. Maybe that wasn't such good advice.

Lexmark, HP, and Espon seem to be available locally.

Thanks


willywilly
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Posted - May 20 2005 : 11:46AM

Addendum:

When you are shopping like this, do you shop locally or mail order?
If mail order, who do you like?
Can you post a link to a website?

Any websites you can recommend for reading specs and user reviews?

Thanks

baronorca
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Posted - May 20 2005 : 6:53PM
I've got a Canon i560, had it for about a year (so may not be still available) and it's worked very well for me.
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Posted - May 20 2005 : 8:36PM
HP makes a good printer, but not computers.

I have a Photosmart 7350 and been very happy with the results.

Amazon has a good selection to read reviews and specs.

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Posted - May 20 2005 : 10:18PM
I have an HP Deskjet 5650, which I'm pleased with. It isn't expensive, does quality printing and can take a photo ink cartridge if you decide you ever want to do that.
I bought it at Staples when it was on sale with a rebate.
If they still sell it DO NOT buy the HP Deskjet 3820 as that was a piece of shit that only lasted me a year.
 
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Posted - May 20 2005 : 10:19PM
I'm very happy still with my HP Pavillion 512N.
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Posted - May 20 2005 : 10:53PM
before you buy compare the cost of replacement ink and how many cartidges it requires.

don't buy refills or generic inks, they'll evaporate or gum up the print nozzles.

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cv
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Posted - May 21 2005 : 1:07AM
If you're not gonna print photos, a B&W laser printer is 3-5 times better than any inkjet in terms of long-term Cost of Ownership. Lexmarks are supposedly pretty good regarding price-performance, but I've enjoyed very good success with HP LaserJets.

As a matter of fact, I've only purchased two printers in the past ten years, and one was online (Buy.com).

If I had to buy one today, I'd probably check out the cheap-o bricks and mortars places like Best Buy, or maybe try one of the local shops.

But generally speaking, B&W laser printers either work, or they don't, so there's very little customer service/product return to be worried about.

I'd be much more worried about returning product if it were some stupid PCI audio card or an internal DVD drive.

Hurrab
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Posted - May 21 2005 : 7:48AM
I got tired of inkjet printers that fucked up all the time and used lots of expensive ink just to "warm up" and "auto clean" themselves, so I decided to go for an ordinary laser printer instead; I mostly print text and I almost never made any colour prints, so I haven't missed the colour opportunity really.

My new printer is called "HP LaserJet 1010" - it's fairly small (for a laser printer), the prints are fine and the price was quite low so I'm satisfied. The print cartridges are quite expensive, but they last much longer (the HP people say, and I hope..) than inkjet cartridges.

willywilly
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Posted - May 21 2005 : 11:27AM

To all who have replied so far:

Thanks! :) I appreciate your time.

To anyone else: I'm still reading, considering, etc., so any and all comments gratefully accepted.

willywilly
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Posted - May 21 2005 : 11:50AM
Staples is convenient for me too. Haven't been to the store yet, but took a look at them online.

At HP's website, under 'mid-range' inkjets, I found your model number 5650. Couldn't find it atStaples page on inkjet printers though.
Found model number 5740 at both.

At the HP site it mentioned more pages per month for your's so I'm thinking maybe your's is more heavy duty than the 5740. Comments? You think the 5740 might be similar in quality to yours?

The 5740 costs about $90. May I ask how much yours was? Just trying to see if they are at all comparable.


Thanks for the tip on the 3820. Let me know if you see any model numbers at either the HP or the Staples links that look to be the same thing, but a newer model. I'll avoid it.

willywilly
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Posted - May 21 2005 : 12:12PM
This Epson has four cartridges. Off the top of my head, each of the color cartridges is around $15 and the black cartridge is around $25. $35 if you go with the 'high capacity' black cartridge.

At the time, I thought the idea of having 3 separate cartridges for color was a good idea. That way, when one ran empty, only it would need replacing. Not having to buy just one color cartridge for all seemed to be more effecient. It may still be - I'm not sure.

How do you feel about the 3 cartridges vs. 1 , for color?


Regarding print nozzles: Vaguely somehow I thought they were part of the cartridge, so they are new whenever you replace the cartridge.

The hard part about comparing costs of cartridges - is that one manufacturers cartridge might print X pages, and another's might only print .5X pages. I still feel, no scientific test, that this Epson costs more to use than the old Lexmark did. It's just a feeling.

Thanks for the reminder with the PC World link! That had slipped my mind. That's where I found the HP 5740 that I mentioned above. PC World said, " This printer provides no-frills, high quality printing and produced the sharpest line art we've seen from an inkjet. " , which sounds nice.
That, and it is available at Staples. Some of the other printers rated slightly higher there were not.

willywilly
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Posted - May 21 2005 : 12:16PM

cv and Hurrab:

I left that hanging a bit. :) All I said was no need for photographs.

To clarify - color is necessary. Just not doing photos.

Thanks

willywilly
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Posted - May 21 2005 : 12:30PM

As I looked around at printers, I remembered something important, that I forgot in my first post.

The computer that this printer will be used on is getting old.
Estimate 1999 or maybe 2000. I'm thinking the two USB ports are 1.1 , not 2.0 . If I can't find the paperwork on the motherboard, maybe I can open it up and get the model number from the mb and look it up on the 'net.

Just in case neither of these tells me - is there any other way for me to find out what the USB ports are?

Suppose the USB ports are old 1.1 . Then what happens if I hook up a new USB printer to the unused port? Will it work at all?

Or, will I also have to go buy a card? I'm assuming somebody makes a card so that USB 2.0 ports can be added. True?

It has been a while since I've worked on the insides of computers. Just haven't had the need. So you can tell I'm out of touch. :)

Other thing to consider - os is Windows 98 SE . If I HAVE to add a card to get USB 2.0 ports, can Win98SE handle that?

Presently, the only USB device hooked to the computer is a scanner. I have no idea if that scanner is a 1.1 or 2.0 device. It has been a while. It works. :)


I just remembered that this Epson was one of the few that still had parallel port connection. That was probably part of the reason I chose it - didn't have to buy another cable. Looks like I probably will, if I am advised that a newer USB printer can work with what I've got.

Thanks

jamesn
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Posted - May 22 2005 : 1:53AM
you should be fine with usb 1.1, i don't think printers require much bandwidth and 2.0's backwards-compatible.
 
jrv
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Posted - May 22 2005 : 11:49PM
http://www.atlex.com/ seems to be a good place to get ink and paper. I do photo printing with an Epson R-800 and buy a lot of ink from them.

If possible use USB cables and not a parallel cables. The USB interface is quite a bit more reliable. In an earlier career I made quite a living debugging PC designs that misspelled words on printers. The parallel interface can do that if all is not right; USB can't.

As long as the printer has a Win98se driver it ought to work with USB on your computer since USB already works with your scanner.

AlexPanzer
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Posted - May 23 2005 : 1:54AM
If you need a great photo printer then Epson R1600 is the way to go. If you need great all around printer then keep you Epson printer and fill it with the cheapest eBay ink.



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