I did and yes, people is exactly what I meant. You probably notice it more with women but I've known guys that admitted they put out for a pack of smokes and case of beer or a place to crash........whatever, they were consenting adults.
[/quote] 1. going down on a stranger, is gross anyway 2. going down on a woman who has sex with men all day for a living, is beyond gross imagine going down on a woman and she has already fucked 10 or 12 men that night already you are putting your face/tongue/mouth where 12 other cocks have just been like thedude, i only go down on women i have been sleeping/seeing awhile. if its casual and they are sleeping with other men, then i wont go down at all. also, why pay money to go down on a woman? to do it to someone you are seeing to please her is cool why do it to a prostitute tho? if im forking money over to fuck im not spending time that im paying for to please her. [/quote] This migh come as complete shock to you but more girls than you imagine have more than one encounter in a day and guess what? Yes, they don't tell their subsequent partner about it and they don't take the time to clean up in between. Girls who are career escorts know that their livleyhood depends on them being clean and providing an enjoyable experience. I've harped on this in other threads but it doesn't seem to sink in. Asw far as why go down on a women? Why indeed. Some men take great pleasure in their ability to bring a woman to heigts of pleasure and, unlike you, it's not just about THEM.
lol i know why you would go down on a woman i said i dont know why you would go down on a prositute she its taking your money for sex, why pay her to please her? she can pay me if she wants oral, i have to pay her for it and yes i know some women have more than one partner per day, hence why i dont go down on them unless i am dating them. that was my point to begin with
^ +1 If you're paying her money so she can satisfy you why in the world would you want to eat her pussy?? Prostitutes are here for our pleasure not theirs. Yea I'm sure some of them do enjoy what they do but honestly who cares about pleasuring them when you're paying them to fuck you.
Easy, because some guys (and people in general) have a 'need' that they are showing their sexual prowess. Satisfaction isn't only in the money shot. What I'm paying for is the whole experience... sometimes what we're paying for is the illusion of a 'girlfriend like experience.' I wouldn't go down on a hooker though and I've been with hundreds. The best experiences... and I've done the whole deal in Brazil, Argentina, the Philippines, Czech Republic, and Russia, ... Thailand wins hands down. :) Edited by - amadeo on 8/18/2011 1:49:53 AM
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 2:19AM
This 'all women are prostitutes' talk is absurd. It's the misogynist flip side of the extremist second wave canard 'All men are rapists.' When it was first proposed by certain feminists in the past it was a critique of the role of the married woman in relation to the prostitute. But now it sounds like the whining of men who are still getting over their airhead high-school girlfriends who dumped them for a guy with a car, or dudes just coughing up cliches instead of thinking. When I was single there were women who slept with me when I didn't have a dime to my name. Sometimes we'd go out to dinner or a movie, sometimes not. Sometimes they would pay, sometimes I would pay. Generally we got to know each other pretty well before we ever had sex. When it did happen, crazily enough we just liked each other enough that we wanted to have sex. Also, newsflash, most women like to fuck. The assumption that they always want something beyond fucking is pretty patronizing. If you are only attracted or pursue women who are out to play games or want you to 'provide' for them, don't blame all women because you're a dweeb with no taste or self-respect. Edited by - BlackSix on 8/18/2011 2:36:42 AM
Very nice, because those are most of the things I look for in a woman, and I pay dearly for them. Minus the pedicures and cooking bit, I hate my feet touched and I love to cook for a woman. But even though I like those things, I like a woman to be herself. Not just "what I want her to be." You left out being able to laugh with a woman.
I almost forgot how ugly and demeaning the talk can be on this board sometimes. ------------------------------------ On to the topic:The guys whom Kimi describes as paying for the illusion of having a sexy, fun, reciprocal relationship -- they're fools. The guys who feel entitled to treat escorts as less-than-human just because they are paying to fuck them -- they're cads. The only way I can see this working out modestly well, in a reasonably dignified way for all, is if the guy genuinely likes women and respects escorts as people, has no good prospects for enjoyable, non-paid-for sex, is looking for a purely physical/sensuous experience, has a ton of money, and is not in danger of developing deeper feelings for a woman to whom he is only a client. Otherwise, no bueno.
I don't think we're communicating here. I'm suggesting that some guys would pay to give her oral because they enjoy giving oral. He may enjoy receiving oral also, and he enjoys intercourse, but he also enjoys licking pussy. News flash, lots of guys enjoy licking and sucking pussy, and some women enjoy sucking cock. They each do it in part because their partner enjoys it, and in part because they enjoy it. If they enjoy it and can't get that (I've known women that don't like receiving oral and so that just wasn't on the menu), then they pay for it just like anal.
+1, except I think there is more truth in the counter arguments to 'most women like to fuck', 'they want something beyond fucking' and 'provide' than you suggest. I'm not saying those arguments are 100% true, but I think unfortunately there's more truth to them than you suggest. Some women like to fuck, but I believe they're less common than they should be. Women have more of a need for security than men and so they want something beyond fucking. Your first paragraph suggests you were fortunate to find a nice balance that worked for both you and your partners......congratulations.
What's wrong with enjoying both 'non-paid-for sex' and also enjoying an occasional bit of easily arranged paid-for-sex too?? particularly if you enjoy activities your non-paid-for partner doesn't??
Who's blaming anyone? I'm the one who said it. And in case you didn't get the memo or notice my username or pic in my avi, I'm a chick. So yeah, I can honestly say I don't know a single woman alive that hasn't prostituted herself at one time or another. And yes, I can say I've known guys who've done the same. That doesn't mean they "always want something" or that they only fuck if they want something. It means that if a human wants something BAD ENOUGH they will sell their sexual favors for it. Whether it's gas money or a diamond ring. I've done it. You've probably done it. Whether you admit it or not or whether you realize it was done to you or not, I really don't care because for some people the "game" is the appeal.
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 9:35AM
Bob said it best...those guys 'looking' for all that from a prostitute surely have empty, vacant, emotional and intellectual lives...if they have to pay for that type attention, it means they don't have the ability to nurture it in a "real" relationship. In the end, its still just a business transaction.
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 9:54AM
SexShopGrl...your prospective is very real and so very true. Along those lines, do consider women ( and the men too, I guess) that are involved in porno to be prostitutes?
+1 Though I don't know why. And I'm glad blacksix chimed in and articulated my thoughts. I understand why people make the "all people are prostitutes" argument, but when it's taken literally and solely associated with women, it's problematic. When it was initially mentioned in this thread, I assumed it was meant metaphorically -- including all forms of labor for money, corporations using our bodies for profit, etc. In other words, a way of highlighting that the jobs other people do are not so far from the jobs these "filthy hookers" do.
Some of those men have wives they love dearly and would never, ever leave. Some of those men are socially awkward and too insecure to attempt a relationship with a woman. Some of those men are in between relationships and don't want complications while they are sorting their lives out. Some of those men are widowers or divorcees, or otherwise done with long term relationships and are not seeking another one. Some of those men are too busy with something important in their life to make the commitment they know a relationship requires. Some of those men just want to have a good time. The vast majority understand very clearly that they are paying for a fantasy. It is no more real than a Hollywood movie. But remember, the best movies are the ones that you can completely immerse yourself in, when the characters become vivid and the content moves you to tears or laughter, when the ending comes too soon and you aren't done being part of that world. You don't go to the movies because your life is empty, vacant and emotionally and intellectually barren. You go because it feels good to be entertained and to put yourself in another place for a couple hours.
I didn't use the word "wrong". To me, the mere act of paying for sex and the mere act of selling sex are both ethically neutral. In my last sentence, I described the conditions under which I felt that paid-for sex could be enjoyable, sensible, and dignified from the guy's perspective. Your mileage may vary. C'est ca.
I didn't actually say any of this. My observations were much more limited.
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 4:38PM
Kimi Lixx...thanks for your view. Yes men go to hookers/prostitutes for a variety of reasons. For me, back in the 70's, it was just an occassional change of pace from my girlfriend. I could spend 30-40 dollars on drinks trying to pick up some girl at a disco, then hoping to get 'lucky', or go down to 8th Ave in Manhattan and get guranteed sex for about the same amount at one of the massage palors.
I guess I have a couple things to address here.... First of all this...Next to the line in A Love Story when Ali McGraw says, "Love means never having to say you're sorry" that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I'm sorry but it is. It reminds me of all the little punk ass boys that come into the shop making fun and cracking on some of the merchandise we carry like penis pumps and strap ons ect ect because "they'll never need that shit." Well someday when they cant get it up anymore they're gonna feel really stupid when they have to buy one. People have different reasons for choosing to see a pro rather than bother with pitchin some woo or seducing the object of their desires. I think Kimi has mentioned quite a few of those reasons. The point is, it shouldnt be anyone elses business( not yours, not mine, not the governments)who or why as long as the parties involved are consenting adults. It's as simple as that.Do I consider porn stars to be prostitutes? Prostitution is defined as soliciting or engaging in sexual acts in return for money or favors. So if you want me to come right out and say it then yes, you could consider porn as legalized prostitution because the actors and actresses are engaging in sexual acts for money. Do I care? No. They are grown, they can do whatever they want. Would I look down my nose at a porn star OR a prostitute? NO. Because in my life experiences everyone has their own reasons for choosing to do the things they do and it's not my place to judge regardless of whether I approve or not. My big hang up comes in when people start getting hurt or killed in the process. I am a firm believer in playing safe. Otherwise, who cares who everyone else is fucking? I mean sometimes I read about some of the stuff you guys (and gals) do on here and I think, "Ughhhh...Ewwwww" But ya know what? I'm not fucking anyone here. I'm not their partner so it doesn't matter to me what you all do. Just because I'm not personally turned on by it doesn't make it wrong.When you think about it people do prostitute themselves metaphorically, I understand that. You are right. But to clarify my meaning, I meant as in sexual favors. As I've said, I do not know anyone who hasn't exchanged sex for something they wanted or needed, whether it be a favor or money, men included, spanning all demographic backrounds. Which not only fits the definition of prostitution but also my opinion that it's part of human nature to trade for sex.
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 11:45PM
I'm aware that you're a woman. I wasn't referring to your statement but more the ones that followed that suggested that all women are interested in is the money in a guy's bank account. They were very different in intention I think. I don't judge any woman or man who is a prostitute and figure they're doing a job no different from the rest of us, where we often have to do something that bores us for the pay cheque. The idea that all human relationships are strictly utilitarian though says more about the one who holds it than the rest of us though.
Then most of us men are fools no? Kimi actually described me in another one of her posts in this thread, For the past two years I have had rules that don't allow me to get too close to a woman because of my bad experiences in the past but I am letting go right now. I most certainly am a fool for choosing to do so and I have come to the conclusion that I am gonna get my heart broke or taken. But I simply don't care because the way she makes me feel is SO good and I pay out the ass for that feeling.
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 3:31AM
^ It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all, my friend. My wife and I spoke about many things together before we got married ten years ago. Finances, sex, children, etc. Both of us have had our hearts broken in the past. If you cannot stand to have your heart broken, maybe your choice is the best for you. For me, their is no greater feeling than to be in love with someone. When I'm in love, suddenly, I'm eighteen years old again. My heart is light. Just thinking of her makes me smile. And when she goes away, like tomorrow, when she visits her daughter downstate, "ain't no sunshine, when she's gone".
^ LOL there's no such thing as love in my book. It's about honesty and respect. The love is false. The only love there is comes from family and even that sometimes goes a stray. But I know that's your opinion and this is mine. I fell in love once when I was like 17. That relationship lasted 3 years and if I could choose to of never had it happen I would. After that I treated females different and that's not fair but it's what I do to keep em at arms length. I have been with my current girl for 8 going on 9 years and she knows the way I am and she accepts me. Just like I know what she's about and I accept her. She hasn't had the best past regarding relationships but I don't hold it against her. That real being in love belongs in movies and tv. Why would someone give another person that much power to dictate how their day will go or to have them do things they'd rather not do. That I will never understand. I feel if she's here that's cool. If she's not oh well it's just a person. There's way less drama and arguing when you act this way. It's like a take it or leave it and in almost 9 years she hasn't left it. But I'm sure one day she will and I'm already prepared for that too . It probably sounds weird or fucked up but I'll never have a girl/women affect the outcome of my day. Edited by - thedude008 on 8/19/2011 10:53:51 AM
This is your definition/perception of "love"? How sad. I'm with you on rejecting the popular notion of "love" in favour of simply developing a respectful, "loving" partnership, and the things that really make a healthy relationship, but your characterization of "love" sounds to me like abuse.
Sometimes correction is needed but there's no abuse. I just think those guys/girls that think love is this overwhelming feeling are misguidedw..probably because they watch to much tv. Don't get me wrong, I love my girl but I can live without her. If she left I would be all upset and not able to function.
Does to me too but I still believe in love. You have to understand though, I met my husband when I was a little girl (9) and we dated in high school, went to the prom together and after 4 years of "wanting to see other people" we ended up living together for two years and having a baby BEFORE the 15 years of marriage. So I guess if I didn't truly love him then, I sure as hell do now. Might sound sappy and in no way am I claiming we have a perfect relationship but I cannot imagine what my life would be like without him. Sad, for certain.
It's not any one thing, just the combination of how organized it is, the culture that the sex workers are raised in, and how they go about their 'work.' I'm not going to post the links (I doubt that's allowed), but if you Google a couple of my favorite places... say The Lord Palace Bangkok or say Emmanuelle Entertainment, you'll see that these brothels are more like Vegas style hotels, you simply pick and point at whoever interests you... and despite your ordering 'women' like you'd order a burger at Burger King, the 2 hour experience is still very (usually, not always of course) very intimate and sexually fulfilling experience. The 200-300 thousand sex workers in the business there means there's pretty much endless variety (within the Asian/Thai subset of course... you're not going to find too many blue eyed blonds... but you will get more than a few half breeds... some not unlike Tera Patrick, Maria Ozawa, Jassie James, etc.) as well. It's rather light on the savings account as well. I even bought a vacation home that I ended up keeping rented out that pretty much pays for a trip or two a year, business class roundtrip, about 3 weeks per trip staying at the Peninsula or Grand Hyatt Erawan, fun included. :) Edited by - amadeo on 8/20/2011 4:37:16 AM
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Posted - Aug 20 2011 : 4:55AM
Keeping it classy I see. From the few Thai porn videos I've seen, the women seem bored or miserable during their scenes. Not a turn on, to put it mildly.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. Risky? Absolutely. Disgusting? Depends on whether or not she has relatively good hygiene. Of course you're probably looking at it from the angle that she's probably recently fucked other guys. True. If you absolutely can't stand this thought, I guess I wouldn't blame you. To me, it might be a little offputting but I'd probably still do it.
As to the question of why a man would pay to eat a woman's pussy? Some men like eating pussy. I don't look at sex as the woman having a duty to please me. The very fact that she's there having sex with me is pleasing enough. The fact that prostitutes are generally open to whatever the customer wants (within reason) means you go and pay the fee and tell her what you would like to do. If you just want a blowjob, that's fine. Some men just see women as warm holes. Prostitutes probably don't care what you think of them as long as you don't hurt them and you pay. To me, as long as you're there, you might as well try and engage her on some level beyond mere friction. You don't have to fall in love with her but it's a naked woman for heaven's sake! She lives, breathes and speaks. And yes, she even thinks. Maybe she just might enjoy the experience if you try to be something remotely close to someone she might speak to without being paid to. Edited by - randomprecision on 8/21/2011 3:21:17 AM
i agree totally with you i could not walk in a brothel, choose a girl then stick my dick in here i would have to have some sort of conversation ( i have yet to see a prostitute so just guessing what id do) yes i would need to have some sort of connection, whether a little giggle with her, or a little chat i do not see women as warm holes for my pleasure..i like to please as much as be pleased BUT my point was, if i am going to pay for sex...with someone who doesnt like me or even know me, i am NOT paying to please her. if she is taking my money for the act, then the act should all be about me. i mean, for one, they are actors so how would you ever really know what is getting them off? do you think they would say they arent into something when you just paid a few hundred dollars to them for it? not being gross for the sake of it, but...if i did go down on a prostitute, i do think more than likely i would dry wrectch or even vomit. i would only be able to think of all the men that had been there already that day let alone all week/month...... that thought is just too much for me to ignore
OK. But. Eating pussy is part of me. When I fantasize about sex with a woman, this is ALWAYS part of the fantasy. It always has been. I can't really explain it. It just is. It's something like a fetish.Doesn't matter. If a guy doesn't know the difference and it pleases him to think she might have enjoyed it as much as he did, he still got what he paid for, no? Plus maybe a little ego boost. Where's the harm? Everybody wins.I understand. It just doesn't bother me as much as it does you.
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Posted - Aug 17 2011 : 12:20PM
. It probably sounds weird or fucked up but I'll never have a girl/women affect the outcome of my day.
