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| Dick Johnson Member 175 Posts 3/04 | It seems that these days more and more people are using software DVD playback, especially that PCs and GPUs have grown fast enough for products like WinDVD and PowerDVDs to be acceptable solutions. However, up until now I've always used dedicated hardware MPEG2 decoding boards which made it so that even when I only had a lowly Pentium II, I was still able to play back DVDs with perfect quality at resolutions up to 160 hex 1200. About a year ago, however, I started seeing a problem that seemed to affect all DVDs from particular studios, such as Evil Angel and Zero Tolerance. At first I thought it was isolated to certain DVDs until it grew to be so consistent that I concluded it was related to the mastering processes used by these companies. https://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35896&FORUM_ID=16&CAT_ID=3&m= However, the suggestions I got were to try software playback tools like WinDVD and PowerDVD. While WinDVD didn't seem to have this problem, I felt it was completely unacceptable due to the huge quality drop it seemed to exhibit. So I wanted to explore this a bit more and know what people are using (hardware or software) and whether they're seeing these problems: My hardware decoder is the "Creative PC-DVD Encore Dxr3" decoder board which does complete MPEG2 decoding in hardware at resolutions up to 160 hex 1200. In reality, it is a rebranded version of SigmaDesign's "Realmagic Hollywood Plus" decoder board (manual at: http://www.sigmadesigns.com/pdf_docs/hwp_man.PDF) The accompanying playback software, which used the decoder board, is also a rebranded version of SigmaDesigns' product. (In case you don't know, SigmaDesigns is a big name in hardware video decoding and they sell professional decoders for MPEG2, MPEG4, WMV, etc.) When I tried to use WinDVD, which doesn't try to use any hardware decoders, but rather depends on your GPU to do some hardware operations and then does the rest in pure software, I noticed that the picture quality just didn't compare. Instead of watching the real "DVD quality" I'm used to, the picture was kind of dark, a bit fuzzy, had some jaggies, and low contrast. I tried a few of their "Movie Enhancement Effects", but they didn't help. It almost seemed as if I was watching a high-quality movie clip downloaded off the net rather than a DVD. So I wanted to pose these questions here: [Link] |
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| jamesn Senior Member Cambridge, MA 750 Posts 1/04 | i tried looking up that creative product to no avail, but i wouldn't be suprised if some of the newer commercial programs hiccup every now and then on a p3 at that speed. |
| Dick Johnson Member 175 Posts 3/04 | The creative product is the same as SigmaDesign's Hollywood Plus decoder board. They have a new product out that does h/w MPEG4 decoding.
Personally, here's how I think of it: a really old GeForce DDR is most probably still much faster than a P4 3.2GHz at rendering 3D, because it's very specialized. |
| daviangel Member Only time I would buy a girl flowers is if she was in the hospital 455 Posts 1/04 | 2. The type of videocard you have in your system which you didn't state will have a larger effect on the quality of your dvd output. Since even on the fast cpu's out there The entire video decode process can consume up to 45 percent of it's total time if you have a crappy videocard. On the otherhand if you got one of the latest NVIDIA videocards it has a full-hardware MPEG-2 decoding engine that puts into silicon the technology to process and decode MPEG-2 video streams. However, playing DVD content also involves navigation of the DVD, parsing of the data streams, and decode and playback of the video and audio streams. Navigation refers to the graphical interface that allows a user to play, pause, fast- forward, reverse, select chapters, view angles, select language, and use parental controls. Several DVD navigation applications are available and may become part of the standard desktop user interface in the near future. The parsing function includes decrypting data from the DVD disc and separating video data from audio data. The audio data is typically decoded by the CPU and represents about a 5 percent overhead for most current CPUs. The Content Scrambling System (CSS) decryption also represents overhead of around 5 percent on current CPUs. NVIDIA’s VPE handles video decoding using hardware that implements the industry’s standard MPEG2 decode algorithm (Figure 1), which includes inverse quantization (IQ), inverse discrete cosine transform (IDCT), motion compensation, color space conversion (CSC) functions, as well as hardware subpicture alpha blending. 3. Yeah I'm using hardware decoding on my pc with powerdvd and an nvidia card and haven't had any problems with zero tolerance dvd's as far as I know but I'll have to find an evilangel dvd to check out. 4. Like I said I use powerdvd and to make sure it's using hardware you gotta check in the configuration tab to make sure it's on. Also you have to have hardware that is compatible and if all that don't answer your question go here look around and I'm sure you'll find what you'r looking for especially click on hardware decoders on your left there. Edited by - daviangel on 4/9/2004 5:44:00 AM |
| GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00 | The hardware solution to decoding video is available built into some add-on products and some video boards. It is still a more efficient solution than the software-only approach. However, with the serious horsepower available in today's computers, the hardware decoder solution has become less important; with older, slower machines, it was necessary. My main computer has a 3.2GHz P4C, 2GB of DDR PC3200 SDRAM, and an ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro video board which includes hardware decoding. I'm using PowerDVD software. Reproduction quality is limited only by what was encoded on the DVD, not by my system. ~ GaySatyr |
| Unicorn Member 156 Posts 4/04 | ATI and nVIDIA both have DVD players optimized for their chipsets. They offload some of the rendering chores to their graphics processor and use the processors filtering features to sharpen things up a bit. Might be worth a look. at 1600 x 1200 on a P3 and PC100 SDRAM, you are stressing your system by running everyting in software. The drivers are probably having to dial the quality back to keep the picture running smooth at 30fps. If you are running an old video board....say a Trident blade with 2-4-8 megs of ram onboard, you may think about swapping out that card for say a low end ATI Radeon with 128 megs of ram. ATI bundles a DVD player with their card that's very good. They have pretty good stuff in the $75-$100 range that will meet your needs. It is generally agreed ATI has an edge on nVIDIA in DVD playback and all around quality output. I use Cyberlink's Power DVD and love it. Might be worth a look for you before you spend more money on silicon. They have the usual free download and 30 day trial thing at their site.
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| Dick Johnson Member 175 Posts 3/04 | So what video card do I have? I'm too embarassed to say... it's a GeForce 2 Ultra :-) *hides in shame* I've been looking to upgrade for a year or so, but put the whole thing off when I heard about PCI Express as I wanted to make sure my new system uses it for many/most of the add-on cards. I hope Nvidia releases a PCI-X version of their brand-new GeForce6
It seems that everyone on this thread actually recommends/users PowerDVD. I'll give them a shot. |
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