At this very moment there's a heated discussion going on at Twitter that includes popular performers we like. It appears a lot despise race play in porn. But it is often requested and pays a lot. So now there are random call-outs on Twitter from performers about/to other performers who like to promote and sell that kind of porn.
Examples Lydia about Alex Coal [Tweet is no longer available]
Valerica about Kaitlyn Katsaros (also includes kink shame) [Tweet is no longer available]
I'm neutral in this as I don't really care or look for that kind of porn. But what do you guys think?
Edited by - Alizee on Jan 27 2023
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Posted - Jan 27 2023 : 8:01PM
No, it's not "ok". Part of the problem with the U.S. is that people are raised to think that if someone will give you money to do a thing, then that thing is A-OK. Simple-ass people.
Poop isn't "ok" either. Neither is incest.
People are just willing to say or do anything for money.
And yes, these lines are very arbitrary. I'm not going to claim to be robotically in favor of everything under the sun or robotically against everything under the sun.
^^ i agree that race play is not a positive development. It appears that it's getting more frequent for sure.
On the other side why should a porn act be different from a movie? We see incest in house of the dragon on hbo for example, amongst other things: rape, murder. And race play in my favorite Tarantino movies. In the end it's just an act/performance. Though if I was a performer myself I wouldn't choose to do it.
Edited by - Alizee on 1/27/2023 8:22:01 PM
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Posted - Jan 27 2023 : 8:37PM
^To me it's because how we (porn watchers) interact with porn is chemically and mechanically different from how we interact with movies. People are always pointing at Game of Thrones, but is that show really promoting incest or trying to sell to people who want to do incest? I wouldn't say it's fair to make that claim. On the surface level, all the incest people in that series are pointedly crazy, so maybe on a deeper level Game of Thrones is trying to promote incest and cater to it, but I don't see it at the moment. As far as Taratino movies, I haven't really seen those outside of my one time seeing Pulp Fiction probably 15 years ago now. Does Tarantino actively try to depict negative images of black people? People talk about Django Unchained as if it was not against black people though it has racist characters, but I never got around to seeing that so can't really speak on that.
I'm confused, so it's a person of 1 race saying "pretend I'm a different race" while people stare at them as they just moan and move their hips?? Or are they using it as a way to belt out racial slurs??? Also is this studios or just onlyfans junk? Iv never really understood role-playing unless it's like cosplay (which needs to slow down its getting old. Especially that stupid fucking facial expression) or a profession, or a status. Incestuous role play really makes sence if it's in real life otherwise when I'm watching it I just find myself saying "your not though and saying 87 times in 1 scene isn't gonna make it more believable.
Normally I'm against kink shaming as long as it's consensual between all involved and won't have any long term negative effects aside from bible thumping crybabies thinking your a whore or yucky (im not using specific categories so really think. But so far this just sounds plain stupid
^^ good point. Some people (ehhmm Billie Eilish) see porn as sex ed. It changes their idea of what is normal and what to expect on a date with a lover.
Tarantino has always been unhinged. It's very clear he uses racial slurs to spice up the movies and help sell them with great success. Quote: "Tarantino's critics often cite Django Unchained as a problem since it features the racial slur (n word) nearly 110 times."
Weird as it sounds performers are cautious of their online profile cause they may not be booked if there's a ton of offensive stuff. How an act becomes someones identity in this business.
^ @ControversialCollector pretty much using racial slurs throughout the scene and it's frequently seen on sites like dickdrainers. Don't know if you classify that as a studio. It's a fetish site. As for kink shaming, scat seems to be a hard limit for a lot and banned from the business. Also seems to ruin a performers chances of getting booked.
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Posted - Jan 27 2023 : 9:39PM
^The only two ways a performer can lose work in the porn business is by looking like something other than a 12 year old or a 40 year old, or by telling everybody about a guy who did something bad to her. Being offensive doesn't matter, like at all.
That 110 times is silly. I knew there was a reason I hadn't seen it.
Consent exists so why shouldnt it be ok. A lot of the hand wringing seem to be operating on the premise that it produces some real world harm.The relationship between what is depicted in media and how that impacts the real world it isnt clear cut to say if there is race play in porn that will produce some sort of negative societal effect. Different viewers are going to take away something different from what they are viewing.
I keep getting confused this topic keeps de-railing. Billie has to think of porn as sex ed because they stopped teaching it in a hand full of schools because its offensive. Fuckin society, a mutilated body is perfectly acceptable but god forbid a uterus. People throw the word "offensive" around as much as master P says the N word in "Till We Dead and Gone" or ICP says Fuck in "Fuck the World" I also use porn as sex ed but not in the basics of how internal anatomy works but as how to please my partner or how to do something properly i.e deep throating can lead to something really gross that im sure will offend someone if i say it but accidents happen oddly enough in a society that is so damn perfect
ANYWAY back to the topic. So yes dickdrainers is a studio as you said fetish but that is a different story, Your saying this consists of; for example 2 Hispanic people saying "ok pretend she is black and im asian, shes gonna make fun of the Asian stereotype while I call her a n***a over and over. But were really Hispanic as you can plainly see and hear in our accent" yea thats just plain stupid i cant even begin to make sense of it on any aspect, Im not even mad about it even with the amount of People of all "races" belt out n***a as often as they belt out fuck so i can see it slipping now and then but to try and make it a fetish....im not even mad im just annoyed at ANOTHER stupid thing gaining popularity
I'm black and I've never been a fan of race play porn. I completely and totally understand why some pornstars wouldn't want to do it. However....I believe when it comes to porn it's all about taboos, fetishes, fantasies, and UN-PC behavior. In my mind race play is just another in a long line of UN-PC acts. In real life it isn't okay for guys to have sex with school girls, slap girls around, perform sex that hurts a woman, cheat on your mate, etc.,etc... But porn isn't about portraying real life. It's fantasy, roleplay, acting, taboos and such. So, as much as I don't like or care for a lot of fetishes in porn, my take is as long as only adults watch it, the performers aren't forced to do anything they don't want to, no one is really being hurt, and people aren't being forced to watch it, porn should be able to do whatever the people making it choose to do safely. And the audience needs to understand that performers playing a role isn't a reflection of what the do or feel in their own personal lives.
I do applaud the people who feel uncomfortable with it and refuse to do it even if it pays well though.
This is difficult. As a cam performer, some Black men have asked me to use the "n" word or make other racist comments to turn them on in private shows. Do I know for sure he's Black or can this just be a guy of another race claiming to be? Sometimes, customers send me their cams so I can see. I don't feel comfortable using this word or saying these other things, but if this is role playing and his fantasy, should I accept that and separate this from how I behave in real life? Though we have to make a living, it's not just about how much money they spend because there are things I don't do or say on cam for any amount of money and do have boundaries.
We can ask this about different kinds of issues. Like, BDSM. Tying somebody up or whipping somebody with consent as a fantasy and stopping if they say to vs. forcibly doing this. What about rape fantasies? There's a difference between women (and I'll use the example of women here) fantasizing about being raped or role playing this vs. actually being raped. The difference is that women are in control of their fantasies.
This reminds of a documentary I watched years ago about a BDSM dungeon in New York City. They showed a Black customer with plantation slavery fantasy, Jewish customer with Nazi concentration camp fantasy from what they said. Why? Again, my understanding is that this is about control where they're in control of their fantasies and differences between role playing and reality. Does anybody know what documentary I'm referring to?
The question here seems to be how far can role playing go.
I don't like heavy racial plays , they don't turn me on , but I know there are who are , Shane was one of those who liked to be referred as N while performing. But racial roleplaying starts with the BBC stereotype already , in a way it dehumanize the black talent , it's depicted as a living dildo, in most scenes he doesn't even talk at all during sex and there's almost no verbal interaction between him and the female performer. The female performer just fuck a BBC not a black man , such BBC is all that matters. In many scenes there isn't even a minimal shade of foreplay they just fuck , nothing more complex than to grab a vibrator and use it. Some black performers use to talk sometimes a lot during their scenes , maybe they just want to point out there's man in there
In many scenes with some plot when the lovers meet the woman doesn't say what a hansome man , they basically say: look at that BBC or seem thing "I wonder how big the BBC he carries is"
It's also worth noting that black owned companies such as Darkside, Black Market or West Coast didn't do that ,though obviously some light racial roleplay was still there.
As for Django Unchained well , it takes place in a plantation during slavery , plenty of black people there along with their slavers , how would they call the slaves? History wise any PC would be ridiculous in such context , would destroy any suspence , it would be a constant reminder that it's just a movie made today , on the contrary the constant use of N would remind you how it was , people feel uncomfortable with it? Good, it's the antybody for racism , you don't like it and you get the tragedy that slavery was otherwise you may even begin to think that everything was good and any mistreatment of the slaves a myth
Any depiction of slavery in a movie based back then should be as disgusting as slavery truly was , a crude image , it must hit hard
That said, if there were a fetish for Big White Cocks, or a genre with White guys fucking black women that wouldn't offend me. Nazi-porn or the use of slurs would be a personal turn-off, though I would probably feel the way I do about other kinks.
In terms of objectification or fetishizing labels such as BBC, this topic also came up in another thread on respectful ways to address transgender performers. The discussion as I understood it shifted toward whether there can be porn without fetishizing categories of people, or whether there should be. Females are fetishized in all kinds of ways, not only in terms of ethnicity but also breast size, shaving patterns (whether we shave, where we shave, how we shave, etc.), hair color, body type, age, and so on.
Are these good or bad? That depends. On the one hand, fetishizing can be perceived as objectifying and reduce us just to certain body parts and can pressure us into conforming to these stereotypes. Or, we can go against the stereotypes. Performers have also said such categorizations can be helpful in terms of reaching customers who we appeal to, which for the same reasons can help customers too.
Does whether it's okay depend on the type of fetishizing? For example, should gender fetishizing be perceived as more okay than racial fetishizing? Plus, words that many may find sexist such as "bitch" and "slut" seem mainstream in porn. Should this just be perceived as a form of role playing and different from using this word in other contexts? Some performers may use these words toward ourselves.
If there were a big white cock fetish in the same way there's a BBC fetish, it may be harder for White guys to find work than it is now or was in the past since they'd have to be "more well-endowed" like Black guys do. White guys can be average size and still make it as porn stars, whereas Black guys have to be very well-endowed to from what I noticed. If a Black guy were just average size, would he be able to get much work or become a star in the biz even with performance factored in? There seems to be a racial double-standard here in terms of d**k size.Edited by - Tessa on 1/30/2023 6:30:17 PM
I'm a fan of it actually but only if the girl is into it and can offer something without being prompted. The dirtier the better. I'm a firm believer in being "all in" regarding porn dialogue and hate the disclaimers that the performers feel the need to add.
Edited by - Mike Hawk CEO Dixon Cider on 1/30/2023 3:50:31 PM
Raceplay is perfectly fine! It's a PERFORMANCE, done CONSENSUALLY for PAYING customers. Plus, it's kind of a "if you don't like it, don't watch it" type of thing. Porn leans on fantasy, sensualism, and fetishes. I'd be curious where people who are trying to make porn PC draw the line, though. Stepdaughter or stepson porn, maybe? I mean, in real life sleeping with your step son or daughter is an odious thing to do. May as well scrap the whole kink.Com site; eliminate all dirty talk because people shouldn't talk down to each other ect.As long as people are getting paid fairly, it's legal, and customers want it, people shouldn't try and police other people's kinks. there's some virtue signaling girls who try and down others publicly who do it, and I think it's unfortunate that they can't distinguish between reality and performance. And it's particularly unfortunate coming from fellow adult stars, since society marginalized them all anyway. Make sure performers are paid and treated properly behind the camera. But in front of it, leave PC out of the fantasy world that is porn. Raceplay should continue, like most other taboo role plays
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Posted - Feb 1 2023 : 3:47PM
I'm black, I'm not into it and avoid it if I can but I'm not going to judge content creators who make it. I don't feel it's my place to judge. Just know that others will judge you and think differently of you.
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Posted - Feb 1 2023 : 3:59PM
This is so true, most average-size black men or what women call "Boyfriend dick" only do OF and rarely get work at mainstream studios like "Brazzers" or "Blacked". With Blacked, they don't hire black men that don't fit their stereotype of a black man (really dark, 10 inch cock and lots of tattoos ) . Average size black men (under 7 inches) don't get work in porn
^ Bit off-topic but there's a thread on reddit about it r/measuredpornstars Most Blacked performers are actually 8-9 inches. The biggest ones are about 10.
Maybe it's exciting for some but I much rather see a size the girl can take in every position without issues. When a girl has pleasure, I have pleasure. (Most) girls can't even come with a big shaft inside of them.
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Posted - Feb 1 2023 : 10:08PM
^ they always look bigger on film, I guess. Also, all guys in porn shave. Shaving makes your dick look bigger Yes, Even for white dudes the dicks are above average.
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Posted - Feb 1 2023 : 11:46PM
does anybody here remember "Spring Thomas"? She used to do the same type of raceplay for Dogfart I guess I judge, I just stop caring. I don't buy or support it and content creators/pornstars aren't going to listen or care about fans who are not giving them money. I post why race play is wrong and looked at as racist. Other than that, I just ignore it
As a black man I hate it. I get we shouldnt kink shame nobody but some things are just crossing the line. Just like freedom of speech. We have the freedom to speak our mind but some things we know is crossing the line if we say it.
I never got the IR fetish. Then we think of Black which markets a black man with a white woman. There isnt a White site that markets black women with a white man. And when the George Floyd tragedy happened Black didnt say anything until the heat was put on for them being silent. That said alot about who they are. Just like so many performers. One of them which showed her true colors doing the BLM movement from the George Floyd tragedy. Yet she continues to shoot with black men and promoting it. Yet people still watch those scenes too. And again I get that most fans could care less about all of that and just want to see a hot scene. I just speak personally that I want to make it all make sense.
Now if a performer want to race play in their private life then its on them. But doing that in public is on a different level. So again as a black man I hate it.
My sense is that many BBC fans are White guys with cuckhold fantasies of their wives or gfs f**king a very "well endowed" Black guy. Maybe in some cases they don't have a wife or gf and fantasize that they do and watch her with a Black guy. I doubt many people do sociopolitical analyses of racial issues while watching porn, so you're probably right when you say "And again I get that most fans could care less about all of that and just want to see a hot scene."Edited by - Tessa on 2/2/2023 8:08:13 AM
For all it matters, I don't think you're off topic or anybody who posted on this considering the subject of the thread. After all, somebody else brought up what if there were a big white c**k fetish comparing this to the BBC fetish. How comparable is this? When people say BBC on here, folks know what they're talking about by just the initials and don't ask. Yet, I don't notice anybody saying BWC and if they did, would anybody just automatically know what they mean? This isn't just about whether or not White fans would be offended or what they think for reasons I mentioned. Though I feel weird giving names, I know of White guys in the biz who are smaller than 8-9 inches and still became stars with hundreds or thousands of scenes. The Black guys I know of who achieved star status are bigger than that or at least present as bigger or are labeled as such. At least one mentioned he doesn't know the size of his d**k, never measured it, and has other important qualities. This also isn't just about the "Black" companies but porn more broadly.
Interesting to give a sociological analysis of d**k size, but it seems relevant to the topics of race play. Somebody mentioned this derives largely from the BBC fetish.
I have a couple of disks with Spring Thomas currently sitting on my DVD player. There is a very dirty/slightly sleazy feel to her scenes and I love it. My only complaint is that she did a scene with Kitty and didn't have the guys cum on Kitty's chest.
Kinda....but not totally true. Gotta remember there's different types of porn out there. This board is heavily into the Gonzo stuff. In (most) Gonzo porn being big trumps almost all other aspects. A black performer with a big package can get by on that and not be a particular good performer, good actor, or be particularly good looking. However, in story driven porn or porn that relies more on acting, giving a good performance that is more than simply pounding the girl, and being at least somewhat handsome/charismatic/relatable there are black performers who aren't overly huge. There are some black performers who crossover into both genres but many more that can't so they mostly operate in their own genre of porn. With white guys they simply have more genres of porn open to them where size isn't the main factor so you/we see much more no so huge white guys...but just like with the black guys there are some genres in porn where a white guy needs to be big to get work. WHITEZILLA type stuff.
I watch Cuckold porn. But not for the cuckolding. In fact, I find most of the cuckolding annoying and would rather not see the cuck be involved. I tend to watch porn based on the girl. Then I tend to lean toward IR. For me at the end of the day Cuckold porn is simply IR porn with a performer I like to watch and I just put up with the cuckold aspect. I tend to prefer porn with some sort of story or premise and I'm sorta okay with the premise of cuckolding as part of the story but hate it when the cuck is actually involved/acting/seen in the scene. The more involved the cuck is the more annoyed I am. But that's what I have to put up with sometimes to see the performers I want to see. But...if the cuck becomes too involved I can't watch it.
Edited by - draxxx on 3/18/2023 2:36:38 PM
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Interesting that my posts from this thread were deleted for some reason. As far as I knew, my post didn't break any rules.
for me the real cuckolding is the best... The pornstar try to transform her personal life in order to be violated in front of the camera as a kind of excitement for the viewer and her and also perhaps to warm up her husband's feelings towards her.
What I recently discovered watching some race play cuckold porn is that Black Cock is a flavor. Whenever the cuck has to kiss the girl or lick her pussy while she's getting banged, she'll invariably ask, "does my pussy tasted like black cock?" or "do my lips taste like black cock?"
Personally, I find "race play" abhorrent. Indeed, in general, I have precisely zero interest in "IR" as a genre, and will never understand the fascination with it.
That said, is race play OK? Yes, because any form of speech is OK, particularly in the context of a work of fiction, which is, after all, all that a porn scene is. If someone doesn't want to participate in it, or doesn't want to watch it, that is their prerogative. But the notion that any idea or topic is off-limits is nonsense. No one is obliged to protect your feelings, or avoid offending your sensibilities.
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Posted - Apr 2 2023 : 11:33PM
The objections to female talent doing ir I think is more about not wanting to be handled in such an aggressive potentially painful way. If ir was simply a black man and white women having sex just like any other bg scene would Ir still be unappealing? What if she does rough scenes with white talent but objects to interracial? A lot of escorts don't meet with black clients. Just have in their ads that they'd not open to blacks even if she is black herself. Not every black guy has a big dick but a lot do. And the biggest dicks in porn often are black performers. I don't care for the dirty talk so much but there's nothing wrong with it. It's definitely offensive and perpetuates the negative feeling Americans have towards black men especially in regards to black men and white women. If a white girl dates or has sex (and people know about it) with a black guy her reputation is ruined. Like she's somehow tainted. Most white people have similar images to what is seen in ir porn. (think dog fart or Mandingo) I do like ir tho. It's definitely more degrading and they should play into the race factor. Stepdaughter porn is everywhere but having sex with a minor isn't allowed. The emphasis or girls barely being legal or still In high school is also creepy. Along with the fact that most kids today watch Porn as sex ed the whole industry is immoral. I'm 24 and started watching at 13.
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Posted - Apr 7 2023 : 3:47PM
If an escort doesn't see black clients, they're most likely just being racist. It has nothing to do with dick size. The women most likely think all black men are criminals or poor. I don't think most people look at porn as sex ed not even teenagers, something that the media and some people in the industry need to stop saying.
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Posted - Apr 11 2023 : 2:26AM
Or based on anecdotal evidence. Obviously not every singe black guy has a big dick but from what I've seen ( I homo) that is the case. I don't see how it's negative. There's def a degradation factor to ir. Seeing a white young girl get rammed by something huge and black is innately degrading
Nothing should be off limits when it comes to porn. These scenarios are a turn on for some. Not everyone likes the same stuff but there should be no limit to what porn touches on.
Some of my favourite scenes are setup under very "touchy" circumstances.
I don't think you should watch porn if you're going to be sensitive when it comes to otherwise touchy subjects.
For example, there was a Daughterswap scene where it was a Trump/Biden supporter scenario. Now firstly daughter swapping in real life would be gross beyond measure and I hate politics BUT that scenario ended up being hot and I really enjoyed the scene. It doesn't mean I like politics or that I endorse adult men swapping their daughters in real life.
Porn is a fantasy and it's the fantasy that appeals to us. There should be no boundaries here.
I'm obviously not talking about illegal content. I mean things that are offensive like race play or daughter swaps (obviously within legal ages) as a theme.
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