"common knowledge" ? Also the fact that she never hired officialromance since over a year is pretty much evidence she did exactly the same with James , just stopped hiring him, also they were "friend" already back in 2013? Do you have any evidence she actually read those racist statements , are they still "friends" even though romance put that picture? Do uou understand that you are implying that a jewish is befriending with a racist nazis sympathetic ? You think it's possible? I don't also I didn't say you wanted her to hire anybody, but you just demanded explanations from her for messages sent by someone else , thus you demanded her to be aware of every single fucking message in any social media she is in, including followers, collegues, directors and "friends" (BTW I have dozens of those on mine , I barely follow any except for some very close to me) this pretty much means she has to waste most of her days following socials either personally or through someone else
How many "friends" , collegues and followers has she if you sum those media? How many messages does she receive per day? or just per hour? twitter, facebook, youtube, instagram , burning angel's official site and let's not forget her emails, sms and whatever a porn producer, director and performer has to do just for working, she also feature dance even. Edited by - LCF on 12/31/2016 6:15:57 AM
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Posted - Dec 31 2016 : 9:30AM
So that means... what? That Romance mentioned her tweets to Joanna? Does she mention all of her tweets to Joanna or just the racist ones?That still doesn't mean that Joanna read those tweets. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. We don't know.
@LCF you are asking for proof yet you provide none yourself regarding why Joanna has not hired her since 2015 (which is different than stopped hiring her btw). Also you can't argue both sides: either she read and saw those posts and stopped hiring her or she has no knowledge of them because she can't pass her days watching people's posts on social media. You can't have it both ways. They are presently still friends on Twitter and Instagram....so if I take one side of your argument, you are telling us that Joanna would stop hiring her yet keep her as a friend on social media? If so, she might want to explain why someone with Jewish heritage is friends with a racist Nazi and White Pride supporter.
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Posted - Dec 31 2016 : 5:43PM
Didn't realize that condemning extremly racist spiel would be such a controversial position with some. I think it is considered basic human decency by most.
I think it's more that the attempted crusade on Joanna Angel that's going on in this thread smacks of self-important busybodying. Maybe people could save their outrage until she actually does something that's more relevant than "worked with the neonazi nutjob a few times more than a year ago"? Oh my, she's "friends" with her on social media! (Nevermind that she's following nearly a thousand accounts on Twitter.) All of our lives will clearly be missing a vital piece until she explains herself and offers a sufficiently contrite apology.
^ This. I totally understand if someone was a subscriber to Romance's personal site or something and then after seeing this decided to immediately cancel their account. It's the whole guilt by association being aimed at others for simply having some connection to her that seems wrong to me.
Who cares? Not the best philosophy for fighting racism in society. Racism per se isn't illegal, in my country inciting it is though. Living in a free country extends to the right of all not to suffer discrimination at the hands of others. Yeah, racism's not illegal; nor is hating the fuck out of racists and hoping they fall off the planet.
Agreed cormac - Rosco statements while true reek of condoning racism which is questionable to say the least in a supposedly decent society. If thats the way he feels fine, but dont expect people to cosign racist behavior just because its a 'free' country!!
What proof should I provide? I merely stated facts Joanna stopped hiring her since 2015 , whatever filmography you choose would say the same it is you the one demanding explanations not knowing whether Joanna did read her statements or not Edited by - LCF on 1/1/2017 5:25:25 PM
this is not the problem on my part , I just can't see why Joanna Angel has been pulled in , just because she has her among the thousands of /friends/Followers on her social media and because of of this she is demeed as certainly aware of any single tweet made in the last 3 years by all those she's "friend" with thus being instrumental to her racism and even supporting her. Just to put thing in some perspective such girl is putting nazi flags on her account along with her racist statements , Joanna is Jewish to label her as accomplice with a nazi is beyond insulting
Burning Angel has a history now of hiring racists, Joanna's personal friend Ophelia Rain has also been associated with White Supremecists, and calling herself pure blood.....she is signing for them at AVN and in several features films by them...
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Posted - Jan 11 2017 : 12:47PM
^I don't know anything about Ophelia Rain but unfortunately white nationalists are well represented in that scene so I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have made their way though Burning Angel.
Well I for one don't think we should. She is actively involved with this Ophelia person.
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Posted - Jan 11 2017 : 6:38PM
Like any business, they are doing it for the profit. If it's selling, they'll make it. And I don't blame them, if there is a customer base that wants it, the produce it. Anyone that has been a leader in any business has worked with people they don't particularly care for, for the profit.
this makes no sense. Ophelia Rain is Jewish. she has done a scene with a black man. what is she doing hanging out with a neo-Nazi? it must be a joke. Joanna Angel grew up in orthodox Jewish household. she has done many scenes with men of all races, black, asian, hispanic. she is the most unlikely person to accuse of anti-semitism or racism.
i went to this Romance person's instagram page. she has a Bob Marley quote on there and she lists Rage against the Machine and Tech n9ne as some of her favorite music. she says she reads Henry Rollins, who is also hugely anti-Nazi. it is very strange but i have seen this before among the alternative scene. somehow people in the scene get confused by the tattoo and punk rock connections and foolishly associate with stuff that has extreme agenda. but these confused people are not political and have not thought it through at all. when you question them about it seriously it becomes obvious they are not neo-Nazi/white power/extreme right. it is like when Sid Vicious wore a swastika t-shirt. he did it because he thought it looked cool and he liked the reaction he got. he did not know or care anything about the politics. for some people it is really that shallow. i bet Romance and Ophelia Rain are like that
^^yeah, during the Holocaust no Jews ever aligned themselves with the Nazis, right... At least during that period people mostly did it to survive, how these people (Joanna Angel) justify their actions is beyond me.
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Posted - Jan 11 2017 : 8:50PM
^^One of these people casually refers to blacks as niggers and is pretty clearly depicting herself as a racist. The other has proudly posted a picture of herself with a ridiculous racist buffoon. In their "confusion" they're promoting ideological racism. This is different to me that Sid Vicious wearing a swastika t-shirt as some sort of an anti-social statement. I don't think that was appropriate, but Romance and Ophelia have gone further imo.
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Posted - Jan 11 2017 : 9:44PM
Most of these people are very confused. Most white supremacists are bottomfeeders. Unfortunately these types aren't that rare in the street/skin punk scene that Joanna is probably recruiting from. I think it is reasonable for some fans to bring these people to her attention and ask why she is employing them.
Edited by - BlackSix on 1/11/2017 9:45:11 PM
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 12:44AM
I, for one, will not make unsupported statements about most people. But I will repeat, because you all seem to be missing the point. It's about making money folks. Clear and simple. That is the answer to most of the situations in the world. If you don't get it, sorry.
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 1:05AM
^ There's nothing 'unsupported' about a picture and praise of a well known Neo-Nazis extremist. Your money talk is a laughable sophistry; businesses don't associate with Neo-Nazis because it is bad for business.
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 1:19AM
Are you suggesting that Joanna is willing to shoot racists in spite of their racism or do you mean to say that Joanna is shooting them because of their racism in order to attract racist consumers?
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 1:27AM
Hi Black I think you misunderstood me. My comment about unsupported was about your statements that say "most" on the thread just above.A broad stroke with no back up. I thought that should have been clear to most level headed people. But if you do not believe they are doing this to make money, you are very naive. But good use of a $2 word.
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 1:28AM
i vote for closing this thread too.
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Hi missporn I have no incite into their motivations. But I for one, do not believe they are doing it to attract racist supporters. I believe she is shooting them because they make money for her site. That simple. I do not believe she is trying to attract a racist audience. She is shooting them because they are hot and sell. cheers
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 1:41AM
I doubt that was clear to many here. Sorry if I was painting neo-nazis with too broad a stoke for you, guess you're a sensitive guy. Calling them 'confused' is probably too generous. And the fact that most neo-nazis are self-destructive bottomfeeders is pretty well established by even a cursory reading about these groups, including the testimony of ex-neo-nazis and the cops that track these groups. I've also known a few racist skinheads in my day, not exactly the finest specimens of humanity. And of course people shoot porn for money no one here has said otherwise. My point is that it is bad business to be associated with neo-nazis, your 'response' continues to not address that obvious fact. I see no reason to close this thread. The only ones derailing it are those pathetically attempting to defend clearly racist public statements. People have linked to legit sources proving these women are out and out racists. That information should he public knowledge so people can decide if they want to support such performers with their money. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/12/2017 1:47:55 AM
It's not like Ophelia Rain was just spotted in the same place as this guy. She put this out there obviously knowing full well who this guy is. As far as Joanna Angel, if anyone wants to try that thing about 'it's just one of her thousands of followers' or 'it's one of countless models that shot for her 100 years ago' so how could she know? Well, it's not. This is someone she currently works with..
and hangs with socially. There's every reason to believe she saw that picture. At the very least.
The tone of that comment is more than a little bit patronising. I think we all pretty much know that it's about making money but turning a blind eye to racism just because we live in a capitalist world isn't acceptable. Burning Angel can make their money just as effectively with other models. I doubt that Joanna is racist or knowingly films with racists, but society is entitled to ask her, politely, for a comment to clarify her position.
I don't know why that people insist that just because a certain person is a follower of another on Twitter, that they know everything about them. I've talked to plenty of girls on Twitter who said, "I said on Twitter......" and I had no idea. Just because you're a follower means that you read every Tweet from all 10,000 of your followers. That's ridiculous. Another example is that I post on Twitter all the time. People I work with have no clue what I do in my personal time.
As did many blacks during slavery , it was done to survive or get a better position in such society, Joanna doesn't need anything like that, actually it's Ophelia who needs her in order to work. also thei're both jewish , are you implying that Joanna is a willing nazi supporter?
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 9:35AM
Would the average consumer of Burning Angel's product even know which one of Burning Angel's talents is racist? Would they care? EDIT: For me personally I wouldn't know but I'd probably care if I did. No idea how representative I am though. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/12/2017 10:07:46 AM
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Posted - Jan 12 2017 : 12:57PM
^ I, for one, agree with you. If I found out I wouldn't want to watch that performer, and more importantly, wouldn't want to support that performer by buying their work. Oh and missporn, sorry for not saying this earlier, but check with me anytime. You are very polite. Edited by - tripper on 1/12/2017 10:01:28 PM
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